:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: That Guy on August 28, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
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Who makes them? the set i could get from work were 200$ my price, more than ebay. Thanks nigs
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Seriously?
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YCP are the ones that have been proven to make 600(even if it was only a few miles), no other brand has even been mentioned in high hp builds
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James' block split in half before his vitara's broke this time.
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Yeah, i know the word quality and vitara doesnt go together, i just wondered if there was a significant difference between the ones on ebay labelled nippon and the ycp ones. All of the pictured ones on ebay look pretty jackie chan, so they must be superior
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Oh yeah, some of the ebay ones say they have a real teflon coating on the skirts, is this shit any good? fuck some of this stuff is written in chingrish
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Is there a specific reason why you don't want to go through FJ Distributors to get them?
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Ycp is what everyone uses. Ralph (dude from the pi) used a dealer set and made like 490 iirc
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FJ distributors? didnt even think of them, i never considered vitaras for a build before cause i had a lot of cash i wanted to part with wheni built my other motor lol
Edit fj says they are backorder :(
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I know speedfactory has a few sets in stock...might try giving them a call on tuesday...they are at the outlaw shootout until then.
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FJ are always on backorder... they get shipments in every week though to meet orders.
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thanks, ill give them a shout. i got my jackie chan wastegate and intercooler from some sponsor of the old site along with an lsd dragger clutch and some weir flanges, i dont mind helping friends of the best site on the net. Is there a sponsor section somewhere on this site?
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The sponcers are stickied to the top of the for sale section.
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Fuck evans performance. He almost fucked glustic in his ass with a defective turbo right off of the bat.
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Evansperformance was phillstubbs right?
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Evansperformance was phillstubbs right?
yup
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CIVIC-75mm-YCP-Turbo-Vitara-Pistons-NPR-rings-D16-ZC-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5194de7e2dQQitemZ350389960237QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CIVIC-75mm-YCP-Turbo-Vitara-Pistons-NPR-rings-D16-ZC-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5194de7e2dQQitemZ350389960237QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
i picked these up to be the tester for him on fitment etc
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CIVIC-75mm-YCP-Turbo-Vitara-Pistons-NPR-rings-D16-ZC-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5194de7e2dQQitemZ350389960237QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CIVIC-75mm-YCP-Turbo-Vitara-Pistons-NPR-rings-D16-ZC-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5194de7e2dQQitemZ350389960237QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
i picked these up to be the tester for him on fitment etc
You do know teflon starts to break down at 500deg F.
That is why if own teflon coated pan, there is warning about overheating the pan produces gas and kills small pet birds. ;D
Saw your post D-series about these and how fjt will be carrying these in either dark or green coatings.
Still be interested in how well they fit. :yes:
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im gonna aim for 500 out of the z6 so ill build it a little tight at .0045 and as it wears of should even out over time :yes:
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I've got the ycp brand, 373whp doin good. I put it together with .008 p2w and it's pretty scary at startup.
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I've got the ycp brand, 373whp doin good. I put it together with .008 p2w and it's pretty scary at startup.
Can't wait to hear mine at .012 :/ lmao
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Whoa..
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Can't wait to hear mine at .012 :/ lmao
:-\ Yeah I wouldn't expect it to last too long. My shit sounds like a 1940's tractor on startup, and gets slightly better when warm, can still hear the slap pretty good though while lightly accelerating.
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Can't wait to hear mine at .012 :/ lmao
:-\ Yeah I wouldn't expect it to last too long. My shit sounds like a 1940's tractor on startup, and gets slightly better when warm, can still hear the slap pretty good though while lightly accelerating.
yeah im gonna re-do it in 75.5 with some forged internals once im hood rich
in the mean time im building a vitara z6 75.5 as a back up
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WWe have a motor that someone here wants us to build using these pistons. After seeing this build I have to ask. Are you people idiots?
These pistons look like they were cast in someones basement. They also have the worst possible quench area I have ever seen.
All of this and for what? So you and your dumbfuck friends can tune it on the street and not have enough compression to blow it up.
I wouldnt waste my money on the gaskets to put these things in.
If you guys want we can take some stock pistons and I will chuck them up in the lathe and dish the pistons. That would be a much better solution (probably cheaper in the long run).
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Quench smench
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Quench smench
My thoughts exactly crank the boost
Btw to anyone interested p2p0 on eBay offers 75mm vitaras in actual Honda STD size not suzuki, he bought a big order an had them turned down to Honda size by UPC
Hello strong no machine work sleeve and good piston to wall :D
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Quench smench
My thoughts exactly crank the boost
Btw to anyone interested p2p0 on eBay offers 75mm vitaras in actual Honda STD size not suzuki, he bought a big order an had them turned down to Honda size by UPC
Hello strong no machine work sleeve and good piston to wall :D
Looking at buying a set in the near future. ;D
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If your head is shitty like most 2 valve heads are.. yeah quench matters.
With that said I plan on building a stroker 4.0 for my Jeep with ~.080" quench. It will run fine and rape stock SBC swapped Jeeps.
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So saving $200 on an engine build is worth it?
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If youshooting below 500whp vitaras are best bang for buck by a mile
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Save $200? I paid $300 for a gasket kit, water pump, tbelt, vitaras. Under $650 in the whole motor including buying the motor with a free EX transmission.
200 motor/trans/mounts/shift linkage
300 for kit
<150 for machine work
I have a set of 75.5 CP's laying here too 8) want them?
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Save $200? I paid $300 for a gasket kit, water pump, tbelt, vitaras. Under $650 in the whole motor including buying the motor with a free EX transmission.
200 motor/trans/mounts/shift linkage
300 for kit
<150 for machine work
I have a set of 75.5 CP's laying here too 8) want them?
How much and in what condition are they? ;D
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You don't want them.. lol.
1/16" p2w. A week before I tore it apart to change the HG I drove to Atlanta from NoVA for a weekend. JD saved me from NC buttsex when he brought me a coil and ignitor. <3 <3 <3
Drove it like that for 60k miles. Sloppy bore, non-existent hg, open breathers. Didn't lose a drop of oil though.
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WWe have a motor that someone here wants us to build using these pistons. After seeing this build I have to ask. Are you people idiots?
These pistons look like they were cast in someones basement. They also have the worst possible quench area I have ever seen.
All of this and for what? So you and your dumbfuck friends can tune it on the street and not have enough compression to blow it up.
I wouldnt waste my money on the gaskets to put these things in.
If you guys want we can take some stock pistons and I will chuck them up in the lathe and dish the pistons. That would be a much better solution (probably cheaper in the long run).
LOL you know everything don't you. :?:
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No china piston is quality.
Wes dropped a set of STDs into a high mileage motor, they broke piston skirts from rattling around. James @ SF had a damn lucky experience with his that had such a loose p2w.
Wes has a set of Nippon Vitaras in his current motor, the crown of the piston alone is noticeably thicker, everything about them is beefier. 1.7 stroker, 9:1 CR, stock Z6 head/cam, made 184 whp at 7.5 psi and we ran into charge pipe problems. I can post the graphs later, they are on my laptop @ the shop.
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im gonna aim for 500 out of the z6 so ill build it a little tight at .0045 and as it wears of should even out over time :yes:
Wiseco states that after break-in, the bulk of the coating sheds to open the gap .0003" if that gives you an idea.
So saving $200 on an engine build is worth it?
Look up what people have done with these pistons. It's impressive to say the least.
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WWe have a motor that someone here wants us to build using these pistons. After seeing this build I have to ask. Are you people idiots?
These pistons look like they were cast in someones basement. They also have the worst possible quench area I have ever seen.
Quench is the last thing you want in a turbo engine when pressing limits. The D-series have a reputation for efficient combustion with minimal timing before you strap a charger on the engine, so the "limits" happen pretty quick with this engine family. Most piston-rod correctly assembled D16 engines are bleeding oil across the pistons due to blowby from improperly placed spark, which a crankcase breather and/or racegas help with a LOT. But nowhere near as much as dropping the CR to nothing does.
FYI the Insiight's motor is based off of the D16Y family, and the crank is offset 15 degrees behind TDC so that the rod is at the "sweet spot" marginally after TDC, since they are so quick burning. If D16 were made like that they would be less volatile.
All of this and for what? So you and your dumbfuck friends can tune it on the street and not have enough compression to blow it up.
I've only tuned Vitaras on the dyno, and the difference is obvious to me. They are a crappy low quality china piston, but with the CR dropped to nothing on such a hugely undersxquare motor taken past it's design limits they simply work. The setups come back years later for checkups and the pistons are dry as a bone with a healthy carbon coat I normally only see on NA cars whose engines I got to break in.
I know why you don't like them, Dr B. I don't like those things about them,. either. These setups still have more reliability than any other D16 combo I've ever seen outside of stock with no turbo, a local dude let Steve Hop drive his 200whp Vitara Civic last October and Steve set FTOD in it on the first pass. The only thing that's ever gone faster than that time on that course are a handful of open wheeled karts and racecars, before and after. What's going on here is a half measure free (in this case cheap) is a quality overcoming many faults, the concept of parts is parts, and the obvious evidence that the setups simply work.
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If youshooting below 500whp vitaras are best bang for buck by a mile
Seeing as how no one has gotten over 500whp off of a set (Sewell), can't really be said what their limit is. Highest I've ever taken them is 300 whp.
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Taiwan Rulez! 8)
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(i've always heard) engines with "bad" head design need tight quench and dished pistons.
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JD, your knowledgeabilities amaze me, if i dich the 4 door eg shell and slam this holset vitara motor into gods chassis will you come to canadaland and tune it?
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If youshooting below 500whp vitaras are best bang for buck by a mile
Seeing as how no one has gotten over 500whp off of a set (Sewell), can't really be said what their limit is. Highest I've ever taken them is 300 whp.
not sure what you mean, James has made near 800 on vitaras?
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Yea. Im confused by that statement as well. I have two friends making over 450 (corrected), and running 10.7-10.9s at 5800' altitude, and one friend making 535 (corrected as well), with a best time of 10.7 on a stock D cable tranny. Waiting for faceplates on his GSR tranny, to shoot for low 10s at altitude.
The motor making 535whp has been together going on 4 years. The first year it made 350ish, second year made 450ish, and now is making 530ish. The oil pan has never been off, and the only time the motor was opened up was when he over revved the stock ZC (no-vtec) head and dropped a valve. He slapped a Z6 head on, pistons were fine, put a bigger turbo on it, and is now making 535whp... Ive never seen a block take as much abuse as this block, and keep on running. Same rings, bearings, Eagle rods, and Vitaras. Oh, and with a cheap eBay block guard to boot.
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If youshooting below 500whp vitaras are best bang for buck by a mile
Seeing as how no one has gotten over 500whp off of a set (Sewell), can't really be said what their limit is. Highest I've ever taken them is 300 whp.
not sure what you mean, James has made near 800 on vitaras?
Last I paid attention he made 650 off a dyno that read 30% higher than multiple dynos around it. Great guy, car obviously runs strong, not wholly valid.
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JD, your knowledgeabilities amaze me, if i dich the 4 door eg shell and slam this holset vitara motor into gods chassis will you come to canadaland and tune it?
You really want to foot that bill?
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JD, your knowledgeabilities amaze me, if i dich the 4 door eg shell and slam this holset vitara motor into gods chassis will you come to canadaland and tune it?
You really want to foot that bill?
Bill? lol i hadnt thought that far into the future. i dont trust any of the tuners around here, especially considering the shit that has come from our "best" dyno guys in town and made its way to the machine shop i work at. they have a huge following of every tool in the city swinging off their nuts. the honda community here consists of intakes and vtec
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JD, if you go to Saskatchewan, stop by Montreal, I have a car to tune too :P
I can wait for a SE dyno meet tho, if it ever happen... I'm sure my base tune will handle the 17 hours drive :yes:
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If youshooting below 500whp vitaras are best bang for buck by a mile
Seeing as how no one has gotten over 500whp off of a set (Sewell), can't really be said what their limit is. Highest I've ever taken them is 300 whp.
not sure what you mean, James has made near 800 on vitaras?
Last I paid attention he made 650 off a dyno that read 30% higher than multiple dynos around it. Great guy, car obviously runs strong, not wholly valid.
that was his old vitara setup that broke/stolen. The most recent setup made significantly more power and went 9.6x at mid150's before the block split in half. Vitaras still good d-series block split in half.
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JD, if you go to Saskatchewan, stop by Montreal, I have a car to tune too :P
I can wait for a SE dyno meet tho, if it ever happen... I'm sure my base tune will handle the 17 hours drive :yes:
We will have to pool some cash between us canadians to bring jd here for a cross canada tour
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JD, if you go to Saskatchewan, stop by Montreal, I have a car to tune too :P
I can wait for a SE dyno meet tho, if it ever happen... I'm sure my base tune will handle the 17 hours drive :yes:
We will have to pool some cash between us canadians to bring jd here for a cross canada tour
And make sure JD has a passport or you'll have another "Jumping the Border" incident. :?: :yes: ;D :evil:
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It'd be interesting to catalog the personality differences between The Guy and That Guy.
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If youshooting below 500whp vitaras are best bang for buck by a mile
Seeing as how no one has gotten over 500whp off of a set (Sewell), can't really be said what their limit is. Highest I've ever taken them is 300 whp.
not sure what you mean, James has made near 800 on vitaras?
Last I paid attention he made 650 off a dyno that read 30% higher than multiple dynos around it. Great guy, car obviously runs strong, not wholly valid.
As for the SOHC, we put the big valve head back on the sleeved/vitara block to see what change in power we would get. 1st pass off the trailer this happened @ 45psi in 4th gear:
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She coasted to a 9.88 @ 144mph on her final pass. Pretty sweet, huh?!?
Internals and sleeves are all fine, block just couldn't hold the power. We'll be reinforcing another block before getting it sleeved and o-ringed. Then the 76mm 10.6:1 Arias slugs are going in for the big power. Looking for 160+mph traps this time. O0
At any rate, I have never seen another honda block break quite like this. Its like it was going to rip itself in half.
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Okay, now that is fucking cool.
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It was fucking cool a month ago too....
:P
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It was fucking cool a month ago too....
:P
And its still fucking cool. I figured JD hadent seen that post, so I figured I would post it up.
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I know, I was poking fun at JD (as usual).
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You were being stale in my general direction, you mean.
I'm an old man of the internet, I need an e-walker to get around with and I don't end up seeing much anymore. Have some goddamn pity on me, Staleard.
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JB weld would take care of that :evil: