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RHMT Double D Buildathon!
« on: October 12, 2009, 11:26:42 PM »

***Parts list still needed***
Cable D series tranny mounts, 2 side and 1 back
ECU OBD1 perfered, OBD0 will work.  Will need OBD0 SOHC Distributor with it if it is OBD0
wiring harnesses, whatever will work
1 Starter d series cable style
fuel lines
coolant lines for front to back.  Thinking MR2 style
long throttle cable to get to back
heim joints for rear radius rods
rings bearings and headgasket for d16a6



Well, I have been letting this car sit behind my house for a year now. I have been pondoring over how to do this for a while now and finally getting around to getting it done. So far I have pulled the tank and rear suspension. I then created a jig on the front to be able to locate the lower front cross member to where the new strut tops will need to be. Now that the jig is made, I pulled the suspension and cross member. Tomorrow I will be cutting the hole in the back and lifting the hole assembelly into the car and getting it located. Once I have that all located I will start boxing in the frame and creating a mount for the rear cross member. Hopeing to be working on fitting the engine into the back by this coming weekend.  Now onto the pics.

 

 

The victim. The rear brakes were locked up so I had to drag it with the truck. Good thing those are going away.






The makings of the worlds craziest strut bar.....Or a jig of some sort.











The completed jig.  It isn't pretty but it is effective.







All the suspension bolted to the jig ready to be stuffed into the car.
















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Re: Double Ds
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 11:38:00 PM »

Hum mid engine D?
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Re: Double Ds
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 11:38:36 PM »

Dual engine :)
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Re: Double Ds
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 11:42:19 PM »

Dual engine :)

Its funny I thought about it years ago. My only problem was coming up with a solution to connect both trans together, so both could be shift at the same time.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 01:22:01 AM »

I have been thinking about that also.  I think I am going to make matching adapters to convert it to cable shift.  Then i will just run a pair of cables. 
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 01:39:24 AM »

couldn't you just run a rod to the back and attach it to the same spot on the shifter that the normal rod attaches to?

that should work
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 08:17:43 AM »

this could possibly be awesome, or dangerous...or better yet BOTH!
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 08:33:46 AM »

in for the shifting solution too.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 09:11:27 AM »

Nice! Double D's are awsome!! Your cars gona have a nice rack! Let me know if you need help with anything nig.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2009, 09:15:00 AM »

this could possibly be awesome, or dangerous...or better yet BOTH!
Will it have rear steering too?
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2009, 10:42:24 AM »

I would try to build something with cables, personally.  Synchronizing 2 solid linkages seems like it would be a huge pain in the ass to me compared to 2 identical brackets with cables going to them.

Not to be a dick but how is welding a rod in the same fashion as the stock linkage harder then building a custom shift cable set up?

If were talking shift cables you would need to figure out how to build the bracket that holds the cable in relation to the movement of the shift rod in the transmission then find a way to pull that rod in and out. also you would need to be able to center the rod. all of this is very difficult to do.

now the rod idea I'm pretty sure has been done before on a crx or something but he didn't have a front engine.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2009, 11:06:27 AM »

Nice, I used to have a silver hatch just like that.  Sold it to some kid in the Seattle area around 3 years ago.  I loved that car, but it liked eating zc's and got tired of it after #3 or so.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 11:46:09 AM »

so this wouldn't work?

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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 11:52:21 AM »

I'm not saying it wouldn't work.  It might work well actually if you have the throw lengths on each side the same.

why would the throw lengths be different if there connected to the same shifter at the same point?

just sound simpler to me.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2009, 11:56:36 AM »

so this wouldn't work?



It will, if you recall I think his name was Rover from ohmt. He had made the car that look kinda like a Atom but had a fwd sr20 drive train in the back of it. He did it as the picture you posted.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2009, 11:57:46 AM »

i knew someone did it but couldn't remember who.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2009, 12:11:15 PM »

This would truly be the baddest Civic ever if there is a turbo on each motor, 4wd, 4ws, 4 passenger, and all in a nice sleek stock looking package.

What are all your goals for this build?

Do we see a possibility of 2 Dohc ZC's with Rover VC here? (2 ZC> 1 ZC) :yes:
Roll cage?
How are you linking the clutch cables on the pedal?

Anything you need to get this done?
Post a list. ;D



  

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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2009, 12:13:20 PM »

This would truly be the baddest Civic ever if there is a turbo on each motor, 4wd, 4ws, 4 passenger, and all in a nice sleek stock looking package.

What are all your goals for this build?

Do we see a possibility of 2 Dohc ZC's with Rover VC here? (2 ZC> 1 ZC) :yes:
Roll cage?
How are you linking the clutch cables on the pedal?

Anything you need to get this done?
Post a list. ;D



How do you figure it will still be a 4 passenger car?



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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2009, 12:17:42 PM »

This would truly be the baddest Civic ever if there is a turbo on each motor, 4wd, 4ws, 4 passenger, and all in a nice sleek stock looking package.

What are all your goals for this build?

Do we see a possibility of 2 Dohc ZC's with Rover VC here? (2 ZC> 1 ZC) :yes:
Roll cage?
How are you linking the clutch cables on the pedal?

Anything you need to get this done?
Post a list. ;D


How do you figure it will still be a 4 passenger car?

Oh yeah I forgot that you'll  have to put a fuel tank in.

So does this mean a bulkhead what have to be put in to have the fuel tank/cell separate from the passenger compartment?

LSD hydro transmissions would work awesome. :yes:

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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2009, 12:31:13 PM »

I will visit the shifter issue more once the engine is in the back and the front.  As far as engines I am thinking dual ZCs.  I do have two in my garage.  I also have two Rover Valve covers.  Hmmmm.  There will most definatlly be boost no matter what.  As far as the clutch I will probably be reinforcing the clutch pedal and running cable trannies.  I will just man up and have a stiffer clutch pedal.  No big deal giving how much of a winnie one is anyways.  I am to cheap and dont want to spend to much on this project to put in two hydros.  I am so cheap I wont get 1 new hydro for my del sol so two is most likly out of the question.  Cable = cheap cheap cheap.  I have to make one more jig tonight to help locate where the rear wheels will need to be.  I have a pretty simple Idea for that one  so hopefully there will be some sawing going down tonight. 

There will also be a bulk head / firewall.  I will be putting a small fuel cell all the way in the rear of the car that should run both of them.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2009, 08:40:35 PM »

I will visit the shifter issue more once the engine is in the back and the front.  As far as engines I am thinking dual ZCs.  I do have two in my garage.  I also have two Rover Valve covers.  Hmmmm.  There will most definatlly be boost no matter what.  As far as the clutch I will probably be reinforcing the clutch pedal and running cable trannies.  I will just man up and have a stiffer clutch pedal.  No big deal giving how much of a winnie one is anyways.  I am to cheap and dont want to spend to much on this project to put in two hydros.  I am so cheap I wont get 1 new hydro for my del sol so two is most likly out of the question.  Cable = cheap cheap cheap.  I have to make one more jig tonight to help locate where the rear wheels will need to be.  I have a pretty simple Idea for that one  so hopefully there will be some sawing going down tonight. 

There will also be a bulk head / firewall.  I will be putting a small fuel cell all the way in the rear of the car that should run both of them.


What kinda of time line we looking at?
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2009, 09:07:50 PM »

Just use double threaded adjustable radius rods to vary your lenth of the shift rod, and not worry about it. 

If your uber ghetto, you can use PTO adjuster rods for like $15. 




The most important aspect of this build...it is going to be turbo'd correct?  Otherwise I vote ban.  :-\
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2009, 09:10:02 PM »

  There will most definatlly be boost no matter what. 
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2009, 09:14:51 PM »

  There will most definatlly be boost no matter what. 
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2009, 11:39:48 PM »

Well, no turning back now.  It has more.....trunk room yeah, thats it.  Got the hole cut in the floor and I am just stuffing the suspension in now to get an idea of what I got myself into.  As far as timeline I hope to have the suspension and cross members located by this weekend and next week will be closing up sheet metal and getting everything welded in.  Then after that it will be fit the engine in temporarily and build the cage around it.  After that I have wiring and plumbing to take care of.  I figure it is still months away from completion but I am setting daily goals and trying to hit them.  Hopefully that will keep the motivation high.  Anyways, back to work for now and I will post pictures up once I am done tonight.
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Re: Double Ds Dual engine monster
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 11:57:15 PM »

does anyone remember a certain twin engine Tiburon in SCC several years back... had two engines basicly stock making a little over 300whp each. ran 10s, looked stock... murdered all (drag/street racing/burnouts)...

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