:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Engine Management => Topic started by: highroller54 on December 11, 2013, 03:01:19 PM
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you can't combine those 3.... I have tried... :Jew:
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From my understanding of what's available, hondata s300 with hondata's COP kit is going to be what you want. It's all meant to work together and seems to work as well as one could imagine on an oem ecu. Any other option worth doing will require a stand alone ems.
Maybe one day Dave Blundell will finish his kit, then you could use Neptune, or maybe even Crome. Hondata won't give Neptune the permission/info to use their kit without a boatload of money. That's been discussed on the hrtuning forum multiple times.
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There's a dude over on d series that is making a board to run cop with stock ecu. Already has a running version but wants to copyright and all that shit before he will do anything
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I can't imagine it's a very difficult thing to do with a small amount of electronics knowledge. The ecu already knows when to fire, you'd really just need something to point to 1-3-4-2 look, a tdc signal then repeat.
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I thought people had this on lock down already. I might say fuck the brake booster so I can still run a dizzy.
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What does a brake booster have to do with a distributor?
If you don't want a distributor then AEM EMS is your answer. Hondata still uses it just with a small billet cap. Aem just has a very small sensor in place of the distributor.
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What does a brake booster have to do with a distributor?
It is not going in a Honda chassis.
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What does a brake booster have to do with a distributor?
It is not going in a Honda chassis.
Mini :noel:
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What does a brake booster have to do with a distributor?
everything lol
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If it's going into a mini then ditch the booster, you don't need it.
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Ditch boost. I would see if they make or fab a pedal with a diff ratio makes a difference in none power brakes
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Wilwood pedals are surprisingly affordable.
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No willwood
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What does a brake booster have to do with a distributor?
everything lol
Pullies & jackshaft. Pure win in my book.
Aside from different chassis swaps that need it gone, how many people really need it gone? In most cases it seems more like bling than anything. If you need it so you can open the gap to improve low-end or MPG's on a race car, you're doing it wrong.
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Pullies & jackshaft. Pure win in my book.
Well its Lhd and I'm bitching about the booster being in the way of the dizzy if that helps your mental picture.
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That doesn't make sense. How is the intake manifold less of a problem than the distributor?
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stock manifold wont fit, see itb basemap thread lol
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someone on the miata forums put a ford b3 in a miata for mpgs and used the stock dizzy ecu he used some kind of board to fire coil wasted spark really simply.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=441727&page=7 (http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=441727&page=7)
here is the page of what he did
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https://www.facebook.com/DaveBlundellTuner/posts/10152279904475631 (https://www.facebook.com/DaveBlundellTuner/posts/10152279904475631)
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James Holy just said there are 3 COP options about to be available to the public that will run on the stock ecu, also meaning any stock ecu based EMS. One of them supposedly will work with the AEM EPS on the stock ecu. That is much smaller than the distributor
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There's a dude over on d series that is making a board to run cop with stock ecu. Already has a running version but wants to copyright and all that shit before he will do anything
Link me. I'd love to pop his bubble.
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mine is on the way JD. Will run with stock ecu or chipped variant. Ill put you in touch with him on Facebook as he is foreign and i cant read his name.
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mine is on the way JD. Will run with stock ecu or chipped variant. Ill put you in touch with him on Facebook as he is foreign and i cant read his name.
Are you talking about the guy Asia or Hungary? :noel:
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Sounds like the Hungarian guy. I couldnt begin to say his name either, but it kinda looks Asian to an ignorant American such as myself
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I Just run a home made coil plate, k series coils, a t1 cam trigger kit, a home made harness originally then switched to a chase harness and lastly an aem ems. If you go this route and can afford to spring for the v2 ems do so cause the hardware in the v1's can't handle high boost....ask me how I know... :'(
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I have the Hungarian COP kit on its way to me right now for testing. He doesn't have access to hondata and also wants it tested on Neptune. I can use a customers s300 ecu to test and I'm a Neptune dealer now, so...... Free COP for me!! Lol
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Keep us posted please!
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I bought a COP box from a dude a few years ago. There are people out there making them.
I would tell you who it was, but I was super dissatisfied with the transaction, so fuck that dick head.
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Does it at least work?
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Havent tried it yet, honestly. I was super pissed at the guy. Took like 6 months to get it to me.
Hes even a white boy. Douche.
OK question for anyone reading a long. Lets say you have a COP box designed to drive a 4 wire Audi 1.8T coil pack. Can that same box drive a D17 or Honda 3 wire coil?
IIRC the Honda coils have an ignitor in them as well, dont they? Or no?
I ask because I am slightly tempted to try installing the COP box, and I have D17 coils with pigtails ready to go. I do have 4x Audi coils but no piggies and I think at least one coil is pooched. Would rather use Honda.
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Well you fuckers lit a fire under my ass. And today, I made my wiring harness for some Audi coils.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LS8DXJFRgas/U6aHYKUN52I/AAAAAAAAG7s/Ov5KIBvxtOw/s800/IMG_20140622_001735.jpg)
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Nice! What ecu are you using, keep us updated please
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I'm going to wire the mini very soon here
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do work gentle-nogs :noel:
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That harness right there is going to be using a P06 ecu thats chipped running my boosted D15.
The COP box plugs into the wires that go no where coming out of that OBD1 connector. I just stole the connector from an EG so I can change the harness in the future if I ever want to, without having to track down pins to re-crimp.
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last question but whats the p06 chipped on? I like the use of the spare plug, good work
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I run ectune but this could run on a stock ECU. Apparently the P06 is the worst to use it on because the processor is slower or some jazz like that. Meh. We will see.
Also from my research it looks like the D17 coils have an ICM so they work just fine with this setup. Thats why I had the OBD1 plug on there... The VW wire is so janky.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zVyhEayq68w/U6d5eRfLIvI/AAAAAAAAG8U/hjaudhWv38I/s800/2014-06-22%2520006.jpg)
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I had this running as a test on my MR2 with the Honda ECU back in 2009 or so:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv77%2FscarecrowX%2FEMS%2FCOP.jpg&hash=b5aafd6342e00a37e1be3e4131bf89996f1aeaf3)
It just takes the IGT signal and splits it out to 4 (or however many you want, up to 10) separate ignition channels, while using the edge of that signal to increment the coil counter. You have to tap the input of IC10 (I think, I forget which pin it was) to get the logic-level CYP signal for sync. It uses an edge detector to pick up the CYP signal, which resets the counter and it's sync'd from then on.
The BIP373s were for driving dumb ignition coils. The logic output of the 4081 will drive any coil with a built-in igniter. I used QR25 coils, but it worked with k-series coils on the bench as well.
Only problem is that it won't work with ignition cut rev limits. I have another version that I half-ass worked on that would use either IGT or TDC to increment the counter, but I never tried it out. It took forever to start too. Would probably fire up faster if you batch fire the coils during cranking. Not a difficult addition to make.
If someone wanted to pick it up and finish development, feel free.
Wanna hear some insane shit? The 4AGE kids built their own COP setups and just batch fired the coils full-time. *shudder*