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General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: MAJORAHOLE on April 22, 2010, 12:57:06 PM

Title: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 22, 2010, 12:57:06 PM
my spool time is shitty, z6, ebay 16g, 9psi @ 5000rpm
my tune is rich in boost, maybe just getting into pressure too
i might have an exhaust leak, but i know its not before the turbo(ive checked a few times)
im pretty sure theres no boost leaks either.
so could a tune thats too rich during spool cause slow spool??
any other ideas welcome too.

btw, my wastegate sticks open for a second at full boost (10psi), just for a sec tho
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: d112crzy on April 22, 2010, 01:08:10 PM
retard timing as it goes into boost.
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 22, 2010, 04:09:03 PM
i'll giva that a try, gonna run some seafoam through it tonight to make sure no exhaust leaks
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: bigwig on April 22, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
Could be the turbo.  Could be an exhaust leak.  Could be a boost leak.  Could be the tune.  Those are the 4 I would start off with.

Can I ask, why buy an eBay 16g?  I mean seriously, Evo8 turbos are $200.
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 22, 2010, 04:17:16 PM
i bought it last year, i never saw any evo 8 turbos for $200 then. havent looked lately

i figured if the seals or bearings go, then i could have it rebuilt with non-china internals
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: HiProfile on April 25, 2010, 10:47:33 PM
Exhaust leaking past the WG valve (no firering?) will slow spool.

Exhaust leaking into the engine bay, and into the air filter, will slow spool.

Boost leaking through a tiny hole in a charge pipe or BOV can slow spool.

An ebay turbo eating it's thrust bearing will slow spool.




There are a few other things that slow spool, but to a lesser extent. Retarding timing has little effect, at least retarding past the 'normal' amount for the corresponding boost. Regardless, 3/4 of slow spool problems stem from some sort of leak.
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: patsmx5 on April 26, 2010, 12:27:03 AM
I used to tune my car to run 11:1 from 0-15 PSI boost, and spool sucked bigtime. On my setup, leaning it out to 13.5:1 at 0 PSI boost and tapering to 12:1 by 8 PSI helps spoolup and driveablity a ton. Night and day difference.
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: mrgreengenes on April 26, 2010, 11:34:17 PM
post turbo exhaust flow problem?  You have a cat?  a partially melted one will plug up the cat exit, making tons of back pressure.

Phil
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 27, 2010, 12:23:01 AM
i do have a stock cat, was thinkin about getting rid of that here soon
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: bigwig on April 27, 2010, 12:32:51 AM
i do have a stock cat, was thinkin about getting rid of that here soon

ding ding ding.  Get rid of it ASAP.  Buy 2 flanges and a 2' of pipe from HD and get to it.
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 27, 2010, 11:25:55 AM
ya, i will.
im finishing our basement right now, so every time i try to do a little work on my car, my wife gets on my ass about the damn basement.
i do want to get it done though. jsut bought a new projector for it, and want to be able to watch some shit.
also she wont left me buy another xbox till its done either, fuckin bitch...
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: Teg2boo on April 27, 2010, 11:48:49 AM
On my car I still have the cat, but there is no material into it so it still legal :P But I need to buy a bigger one, this one is only 2.25 I think....

My spool suck too.
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 27, 2010, 12:07:06 PM
luckily we have no emmisions testing, so it should be good
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: Teg2boo on April 27, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
luckily we have no emmisions testing, so it should be good

Same thing here, they only look if the cat is there. It's like a 300$ fine if you don't have it...
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: MAJORAHOLE on April 27, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
ahh, i was thinkin about putting a cherry bomb in its place to quiet it down
Title: Re: Slow Spool, too rich?
Post by: 2slow on April 28, 2010, 09:29:39 PM
ahh, i was thinkin about putting a cherry bomb in its place to quiet it down
hollow it out for now and see if that at least helps your problem