:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Hybrid/Tech => Topic started by: Jorsher on May 07, 2010, 12:45:07 PM
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I'm not planning to do one by any means but I saw Hasport makes mounts for them. Haven't seen too much information on the swaps and just curious about them.
Are they shit engines? Any worthwhile aftermarket support? Tuning?
I saw there's a boosted J32 running around. Never thought I'd see somewhat-easily-swapped v6 Hondas.
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couple local... Theyre neet...
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except the huge holes in the hoods, i'd rather rock an F
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The J series stuff i've seen makes killer power with some boost, 600+ on stock internals.
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Concidering that there was a J in my TL. I would love to feel that power in an EG. Shit, I would even keep it automatic with a big shot of nitrous.
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Concidering that there was a J in my TL. I would love to feel that power in an EG. Shit, I would even keep it automatic with a big shot of nitrous.
The j-swap in my build owned by local Hondaphile (Chad aka Twisted Image) is planning doing a nitrous setup on his.
He has the semi-automatic transmission and as far he know he was the first to get his with that transmission in the country.
He used the Hasport mount kit and made his third mount w/ angle iron. :yes:
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Yeah I noticed they even have mounts for a CRX. 200+ tq in an NA CRX? nice.
I know there's a supercharger for these. Would also be pretty sweet.
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on a side note they can be done for the same/less money then the Kfail swap Jew
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on a side note they can be done for the same/less money then the Kfail swap Jew
True my body buddy bought a whole (wrecked in the rear) '01 RL and used the 3.2L, transmission, wiring harness, ecu, and assorted parts for $500 from a car auction. Then sold some of the body parts, brakes and the shell for scrap and made money on the deal.
He bought a new egay radiator(dual core) and fan, Hasport mounts, and few other things to complete the build for less than $500.
Took him about two weeks to get everything worked out.
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What is done for fuel management? I'm assuming they use the stock ECU and a conversion harness, but what about tuning? MS?
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Motor is cheap, mounts are cheap, the trans is the deal breaker because I dont like auto's.
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Motor is cheap, mounts are cheap, the trans is the deal breaker because I dont like auto's.
There are 6 speed manual transmissions.
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The gearing is not really meant for drag racing thats why the cars dont seem to crack faster than 12's with the swaps.
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What is done for fuel management? I'm assuming they use the stock ECU and a conversion harness, but what about tuning? MS?
He has not done anything with tuning.
He said the extra TB in front of the main TB was used for traction control or abs system. He took it off and made wiring easier.
Stock ecu and he does shift like a stick when he wants since it has a semi-auto or auto-stick. ;D
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Motor is cheap, mounts are cheap, the trans is the deal breaker because I dont like auto's.
There are 6 speed manual transmissions.
Yes I know, its still the deal breaker, I can never find one under 1k :?:
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Motor is cheap, mounts are cheap, the trans is the deal breaker because I dont like auto's.
There are 6 speed manual transmissions.
Yes I know, its still the deal breaker, I can never find one under 1k :?:
Ooh, I see. Even worse if you want LSD.
I'm getting an urge to find a CRX shell.
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perfect ;D
https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?auctionID=8880221&itemID=9248363&RowNumber=0# (https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?auctionID=8880221&itemID=9248363&RowNumber=0#)
click on the picture of the white one below it, some reason it wont let me link to that page
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perfect ;D
https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?auctionID=8880221&itemID=9248363&RowNumber=0# (https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?auctionID=8880221&itemID=9248363&RowNumber=0#)
Yeah except he used Klode's. in Denver. ;D
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I can't see the pic but I do work for iaai. They do have a mint 91 crx si white there that's all stock.
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I want a V6 in my accord. And no, not the one that was available in the 5th gen accord. I think a nice J35 would drag my not that heavy failboat around a lot better than the van it would likely come out of.
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what is the typical 1/4 mile time for a eg with stockish j32 swap?
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what is the typical 1/4 mile time for a eg with stockish j32 swap?
Nobody knows, they always torque steer into the barrier just before the 60' mark
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what is the typical 1/4 mile time for a eg with stockish j32 swap?
2.9 60 ft
15.4 @ 109
P.A.N.U.M.A
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http://www.youtube.com/user/360Imports#p/u/1/qWOze0ejDfM (http://www.youtube.com/user/360Imports#p/u/1/qWOze0ejDfM)
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what is the typical 1/4 mile time for a eg with stockish j32 swap?
Nobody knows, they always torque steer into the barrier just before the 60' mark
Yeah Chad did complain about the torque steer in his 4dr.
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The J series stuff i've seen makes killer power with some boost, 600+ on stock internals.
For real? Well, I know what's happening to my car then as the long-term plan: J35 swap with a remote mounted T3/T4 or HX35.
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The J series stuff i've seen makes killer power with some boost, 600+ on stock internals.
For real? Well, I know what's happening to my car then as the long-term plan: J35 swap with a remote mounted T3/T4 or HX35.
hx-52 would be sweet. ;D :yes:
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The J series stuff i've seen makes killer power with some boost, 600+ on stock internals.
For real? Well, I know what's happening to my car then as the long-term plan: J35 swap with a remote mounted T3/T4 or HX35.
hx-52 would be sweet. ;D :yes:
I was thinking the 35 for quick spool on a V6.
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The J series stuff i've seen makes killer power with some boost, 600+ on stock internals.
For real? Well, I know what's happening to my car then as the long-term plan: J35 swap with a remote mounted T3/T4 or HX35.
hx-52 would be sweet. ;D :yes:
I was thinking the 35 for quick spool on a V6.
Maybe a 40, the 35 would be too restrictive on the hotside.
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If hasport doesn't come out with a fucking mount kit for the CD5, I'm considering trying to DIY some with a fluxcore on a front cut I'll buy from a junkyard.
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The gearing is not really meant for drag racing thats why the cars dont seem to crack faster than 12's with the swaps.
Hondas arent meant for drag racing anyways.
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As long as we're entertaining pipe dreams, how about a mid-engine j32 swap?
Putting the entire suspension would fix the mount & axle issues, a welded diff would take care of torque steer, plus you wound't have a giant hood bulge. It would be a little noisey tho, and add about 4.4" to the rear track. You'd just have to put in ITR front hubs (a benifit w/new bearings) and get a weird offset rim if you don't want a wider rearend.
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As long as we're entertaining pipe dreams, how about a mid-engine j32 swap?
Putting the entire suspension would fix the mount & axle issues, a welded diff would take care of torque steer, plus you wound't have a giant hood bulge. It would be a little noisey tho, and add about 4.4" to the rear track. You'd just have to put in ITR front hubs (a benifit w/new bearings) and get a weird offset rim if you don't want a wider rearend.
Yeah, I pipe dreamed that. I think it would fit in the hatch of a CRX :)
Now, back to reality.
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Reality is with improved gearing the swap is a monster.
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Reality is with improved gearing the swap is a monster.
The Type-S 6-speed with LSD has shitty gearing too?
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i have looked into this swap for my eg coupe. it looks like the expensive part is the manual tranny. j32' and j35's can be had for a couple hundred dollars, but the rare people that have manual transmissions for sale dont want to part with them for less than double the engine cost. then throw engine management into the mix. cheapest option seems to be MS, too bad a p28 cant be modded to work. i know i wouldnt be happy with stock power for more than a few min
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WEll a mild engine really can be tuned with just a fpr pressure bump. I dont even think anyone has cams for them yet and who knows if anyone has even done regrinds yet.
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I have boost in mind.
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J-series motors spin clockwise, so it wouldn't be too hard to adapt it to another tranny. However I'm not even sure what would be a decent option for a high-torque transverse engine.
Same for normal clockwise superchargers - it wouldn't be too hard to get & fit a M90 or M112 SC onto it, assuming you had space. Hell old-skool cars had the blower sticking out the hood... Anyways you can usually get away with a FPR and a cheap ignition retard module with an SC since your exhaust backpressure isn't changing all the time like a turbo.
This is why I think a rwd or even awd conversion is ultimately better if you're going balls-out. Honda guys are just to used to plug&play that they are scared to do any real work like cutting up the frame. Just ask JH Christ what his homefags do with their VW's to lose that extra inch of ground clearance. I mean the work itself, not the buttseks to pay for it. :?:
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Honda guys are just to used to plug&play that they are scared to do any real work like cutting up the frame.
for me, i think thats part of the reason i stick with hondas. you can do a lot with something that is pretty much bolt in and it drives like stock. i am by no means afraid of cutting a car up to get what i want out of it, but why not bolt in (sewell estimated) 600whp with stock idle and 30mpg
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That's a family car if I ever saw one.
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Yeah a nice $150K+ family car. Would be fun though, I had a chance to ride in a 900hp turbo LSx rail like that. There are not words to describe it, other then it puckered my asshole so tight I don't think I pooped for 3 days.
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i have looked into this swap for my eg coupe. it looks like the expensive part is the manual tranny. j32' and j35's can be had for a couple hundred dollars, but the rare people that have manual transmissions for sale dont want to part with them for less than double the engine cost. then throw engine management into the mix. cheapest option seems to be MS, too bad a p28 cant be modded to work. i know i wouldnt be happy with stock power for more than a few min
Thats why it is the deal killer for me. Cheapest trans was 1800 and it had a crack in it :?:
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If I knew an auto could handle 4-500whp daily I would just use one of them. I'm not willing to do the swap planning on the cheap auto and then have it not hold up and have to spend a ton of cash on a manual to keep the car driving
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Someone find a tranny that would work and come up with a transmission adapter like the H2B.
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K?
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Someone find a tranny that would work and come up with a transmission adapter like the H2B.
If someone did that then they could probably make some decent money. K trans aren't much cheaper though, are they?
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K tranny's are at least half of what J manuals are
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K tranny's are at least half of what J manuals are
Both in cost and stremf.
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I have no experience with either of them
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Our local JDM junk swinger sells Auto Accord Type R tranny's with LSD's for under $500 bones. Zerorob (occasional poster here) just got one for his accord Wagon , G23 shit wagon.
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I have boost in mind.
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May be a place to start even if it is ching chang meow
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i will make my own if i do. i am also considering using the single port exhaust engine. performance wise i know its not the best one, but it seems to be cheaper and it will confuse the hell out of people when they only see one big tube coming from the head. most of the JDM tards around here have no idea they made those.
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Someone find a tranny that would work and come up with a transmission adapter like the H2B.
if you're not opposed to bastardization, more options open up.
for transverse boxes, the Aisin E153 boxes are pretty well bulletproof and relatively cheap. they're found in MR2 turbo, celica all-trac and camry/solara V6.they're kind of heavy, but they have a pretty decent span of ratios depending on what they're from. the GM F40 6 speed boxes might work as well (they've been used with northstar engines in fieros) but they've got some weird issues like hydraulic TOB and no space to mount the starter. starter mount would have to be on the adapter plate.
mid-engine (assuming you're open to hacking the chassis) the audi longitudinal boxes are fairly cheap and not hard to find.
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The Toyota MR2 SC/Turbo gearbox is basically bulletproof. I would go that direction.
BTW, just modify the bellhousing to bolt to the J-series the same way rednecks with TIG machines make B or D boxes fit H-series. Order a clutch from mars, done.
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right, pick one up from a JDM importer who doesn't know what they've got on the pallet. i ordered a 93+ open diff tranny (because i didn't think i had the axles for it) and ended up getting one with an LSD. $650 shipped for a box that usually sells for over $1k shipped. luckily the PO had replaced the axles with LSD parts for some reason. i bet you could even do simple adapters to bolt the toyota stub shafts to the honda tripods/rzeppas.
do the j-series engiens have a spot to bolt a bearing carrier to the block?
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do the j-series engiens have a spot to bolt a bearing carrier to the block?
im sure they do, but i will check next time one comes in the shop. i see a bunch of TL's and odyssey's
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reminds me of these 3.5 v6 sentra
also thought about swapping these newer toyota 3.5 into the newer tc/xb consider they all share the same mounts
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Had a TL in the other day. The intermediate shaft bolts to the back side of the block just like any other Honda.
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reminds me of these 3.5 v6 sentra
also thought about swapping these newer toyota 3.5 into the newer tc/xb consider they all share the same mounts
Mazda Protege's do it too. The KL-ZE uses the same mounts as the FS-DE 4 banger. Its only a 2.5, but a fun little engine.
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reminds me of these 3.5 v6 sentra
also thought about swapping these newer toyota 3.5 into the newer tc/xb consider they all share the same tranny bolt pattern
fixed :D 3 of the 4 mounts are on the tranny with toyotas. swaps are pretty easy, assuming the motor fits.
those 2GR motors are monsters. just intake and headers can put 290 to the wheels. over 300 if you bump the redline...
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reminds me of these 3.5 v6 sentra
also thought about swapping these newer toyota 3.5 into the newer tc/xb consider they all share the same tranny bolt pattern
fixed :D 3 of the 4 mounts are on the tranny with toyotas. swaps are pretty easy, assuming the motor fits.
those 2GR motors are monsters. just intake and headers can put 290 to the wheels. over 300 if you bump the redline...
Yeah, the 2GR motors are sick! My friends camry moves pretty well for it being stock.
Any 2GR swap cars that you guys have seen?
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i've seen a few swapped into the SW20 MR2. i believe there have been 2 confirmed 2GR swaps into MR2 spyders as well. those would be ridiculous with that motor. i think that motor is only about 50 or so lbs heavier than the 1ZZ. i know it's a bit lighter than the 3SGTE.
a couple issues with the 2GR swaps are finding an appropriate ECU (without immobilizer) and installing the gas pedal from the donor vehicle, since it's DBW. i'm sure there are standalones that would work for it, but they'd need to have the capability of running the VVTi on each camshaft.
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reminds me of these 3.5 v6 sentra
also thought about swapping these newer toyota 3.5 into the newer tc/xb consider they all share the same mounts
Doing that swap sometime later this year. You cant beat VQ power in a 2300 lb sentra. Bone stock VQ through the air filter box will lay down mid 12's in a Sentra. 10lbs and slicks away from some 10's
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Stock VQ won't handle 10 lbs.
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Stock VQ won't handle 10 lbs.
VQs are pretty strong. A proper tune on them and they will last.
They really love nitrous. I know a couple of guys that have ran a 200 shot for awhile. They know how to tune nitrous setups though.
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Go burp your fathers faggot worm/
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Stock VQ won't handle 10 lbs.
VQs are pretty strong. A proper tune on them and they will last.
They really love nitrous. I know a couple of guys that have ran a 200 shot for awhile. They know how to tune nitrous setups though.
A VQ has pussy rods, and around 400 wtq and the rod bends.
Nitrous is easy on any motor, you just yank more timing in the midrange. A 200 shot is what we spray on stock rod Hondas, and they hook it in second.
This isn't my first time at the rodeo, champ. Go make your n00b intro post or GTFO this site.
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I've personally seen a few stock-ish vq's taking 15 lbs reliably. As in 3-4 years ago, and still being driven around. That's like saying a QR won't take more than 8 lbs. Have you seen those pussy ass rods?
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I've definetly seen the VQ take 12lbs and be beat on very regularly for over a year with no problems. They can definetly handle it.
HOWEVER , I have also seen a VQ grenade itself and throw a rod through the block at 9lbs. So who knows.
Maybe different years, maybe freak motor, maybe baby jesus blessed one?
I'd say ten pounds is about the point where you need to really start watching out and planning to build the motor, in the future.
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This isn't my first time at the rodeo, champ. Go make your n00b intro post or GTFO this site.
I'm sorry I offended you. Didn't think you would take it so seriously. lol
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This isn't my first time at the rodeo, champ. Go make your n00b intro post or GTFO this site.
I'm sorry I offended you. Didn't think you would take it so seriously. lol
No one likes unvetted n00bs here, go fist yourself.
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I've definetly seen the VQ take 12lbs and be beat on very regularly for over a year with no problems. They can definetly handle it.
HOWEVER , I have also seen a VQ grenade itself and throw a rod through the block at 9lbs. So who knows.
Maybe different years, maybe freak motor, maybe baby jesus blessed one?
I'd say ten pounds is about the point where you need to really start watching out and planning to build the motor, in the future.
Sounds like an issue with a tuner to me.
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This isn't my first time at the rodeo, champ. Go make your n00b intro post or GTFO this site.
I'm sorry I offended you. Didn't think you would take it so seriously. lol
No one likes unvetted n00bs here, go fist yourself.
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Sounds like an issue with a tuner to me.
Possible or the driver was a moron, or the turbo was too small, or.... lots of things it could have been. Most likely the driver was a moron though. (he was)
Either way ten pounds seems about the edge of proven safety. After that it's hit or miss it seems.
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Either way, nothing some rods and a vq40 crank couldn't solve. Plus, Nissan does have the best sounding 6 out there.
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Either way, nothing some rods and a vq40 crank couldn't solve. Plus, Nissan does have the best sounding 6 out there.
Agreed and since you're gonna have the motor out anyways. It's still a sentra though. Maybe in a versa? lol that would be awesome.
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If it would fit. Plus I have a Spec V, not a Versa. Have you seen how crammed the vq is in the b15?
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I've definetly seen the VQ take 12lbs and be beat on very regularly for over a year with no problems. They can definetly handle it.
HOWEVER , I have also seen a VQ grenade itself and throw a rod through the block at 9lbs. So who knows.
Maybe different years, maybe freak motor, maybe baby jesus blessed one?
I'd say ten pounds is about the point where you need to really start watching out and planning to build the motor, in the future.
Sounds like an issue with a tuner to me.
Sounds like an issue with lack of knowledge of the platform, and dumb kids with no experience tuning cars to me.
NOTHING in the import scene has the R&D of a Honda B-series. 3-4 years ago the gospel was you can make 600-650 on a stock sleeve block, because everyone knew someone who was doing it. Now 20/20 hindsight says anything over 400 is a tick-tock tick-tock timebomb. That's a forty fucking percent variation in acceptable power from a decade older and nine times more prevalent power plant.
See also mexican block post-69 302, Toyota 3S-GTE with their crackalicious crankshafts, SRT-4 good for 500 whp on a stock block then turn around and 5-6 year old perfectly kept stock vehicles pitch rods out of the block, SR20s (most overhyped engine, ever) that pop at 450 when a stock-not-meant-for-boost KA24 eats more boost without failing, EJ20 that can't make power and EJ25 that crack ringlands stock, and I could type for hours but basically anything else hyped in a fucking magazine or on a forum full of teenage faggots with mommy's credit card and no clue how to change oil although they have a highly developed opinion of what oil they HAVE to run in their car.
People have made 500 whp off of stock GSRs with T67 bolted to them, and had them last 8-10K miles. Robb and I have both seen a 450whp stock longblock stock headgasket 7M-GTE, on a Mustang dyno that would have meant 520 on any of the local Dynojets. Common knowledge states that GSRs and stock 7M can't handle those power figures. Who's right? The side with the most failures over a long enough period of time, of course.
Fuck what you think you know based off of some internet posts and the luck of random faggots - if that shit meant anything then the AFC hack would still be king. I don't come here for dumbassery and fanboi cluelessness, the day you people start riding bandwagons is the day I'm out of here. We're years into this site and into our knowledge and I'd expect you dipshits to doubt everything like reasonable individuals.
Everything fails. Fuck you.
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can i copy/paste this for a local kid? lol
i tried to explain the same shit and he just says "you can rock 600whp with a b16 for years"
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I've definetly seen the VQ take 12lbs and be beat on very regularly for over a year with no problems. They can definetly handle it.
HOWEVER , I have also seen a VQ grenade itself and throw a rod through the block at 9lbs. So who knows.
Maybe different years, maybe freak motor, maybe baby jesus blessed one?
I'd say ten pounds is about the point where you need to really start watching out and planning to build the motor, in the future.
Sounds like an issue with a tuner to me.
Sounds like an issue with lack of knowledge of the platform, and dumb kids with no experience tuning cars to me.
NOTHING in the import scene has the R&D of a Honda B-series. 3-4 years ago the gospel was you can make 600-650 on a stock sleeve block, because everyone knew someone who was doing it. Now 20/20 hindsight says anything over 400 is a tick-tock tick-tock timebomb. That's a forty fucking percent variation in acceptable power from a decade older and nine times more prevalent power plant.
See also mexican block post-69 302, Toyota 3S-GTE with their crackalicious crankshafts, SRT-4 good for 500 whp on a stock block then turn around and 5-6 year old perfectly kept stock vehicles pitch rods out of the block, SR20s (most overhyped engine, ever) that pop at 450 when a stock-not-meant-for-boost KA24 eats more boost without failing, EJ20 that can't make power and EJ25 that crack ringlands stock, and I could type for hours but basically anything else hyped in a fucking magazine or on a forum full of teenage faggots with mommy's credit card and no clue how to change oil although they have a highly developed opinion of what oil they HAVE to run in their car.
People have made 500 whp off of stock GSRs with T67 bolted to them, and had them last 8-10K miles. Robb and I have both seen a 450whp stock longblock stock headgasket 7M-GTE, on a Mustang dyno that would have meant 520 on any of the local Dynojets. Common knowledge states that GSRs and stock 7M can't handle those power figures. Who's right? The side with the most failures over a long enough period of time, of course.
Fuck what you think you know based off of some internet posts and the luck of random faggots - if that shit meant anything then the AFC hack would still be king. I don't come here for dumbassery and fanboi cluelessness, the day you people start riding bandwagons is the day I'm out of here. We're years into this site and into our knowledge and I'd expect you dipshits to doubt everything like reasonable individuals.
Everything fails. Fuck you.
THIS is why we love JD. ;D
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can i copy/paste this for a local kid? lol
i tried to explain the same shit and he just says "you can rock 600whp with a b16 for years"
B16 with dropped CR last forever. You can make 400-425 whp off of one with pumpgas for years longer than one of the bigger stroke B-series motors. Of course, they make all of that power the last five rpms before redline, and their blocks are the first to split sleeves in the B-series family requiring you sleeve them to make mundane power figures, but at least you have the sheet of dyno toiletpapr to wipe your nancyboy ass with, right?
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dyno sheets rule the world
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And Supra's
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And Supra's
Mk4's? No, those engines live up to their hype although it's due to combustion efficiency/failure to detonate and not because they are any stronger than a lot of decent engines out there.
The chassis are big heavy non-hooking non-handling sleds, though. Completely overrated four wheeled dildoes.
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And Supra's
Mk4's? No, those engines live up to their hype although it's due to combustion efficiency/failure to detonate and not because they are any stronger than a lot of decent engines out there.
The chassis are big heavy non-hooking non-handling sleds, though. Completely overrated four wheeled dildoes.
Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
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I was just talking shit. But there are way too many dyno queens out there.
As far as the RB vs. 2jz, I am not familiar enough with either of them to debate that. They are both well engineered engines, and can be beastly. Depends on the individuals pocket depth, ingenuity, and balls really. The yota (assuming stock-ish displacement for both) has the displacement advantage.
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Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
RB requires deeper pockets, some shit needs to be fixed on them right out of the gate and they aren't cheap like 2JZ.
Also, neither of those cars are crazy built. Drag racing from a dig is one of the few things a Mk4 should do well. :mexi:
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can i copy/paste this for a local kid? lol
i tried to explain the same shit and he just says "you can rock 600whp with a b16 for years"
Who cares arguing over people who have never touched nor will touch anything worth a shit.
84mm b16's lay down the law and J davis is right 400 whp on stock sleeves and having it last is not common. The reason it seems they are so common is the few success stories get talked about for years while the cracked sleeve blocked engines either end up collecting rust with the owner upset that reality is just that or ends up getting sleeved.
Companies like golden eagle didnt get so big because stock sleeve blocks are so reliable.
Years of sitting on dyno's with low budget b series builds with the old man showed me that even in the hands of the best Button pushers/dyno owners motors pop. A stock b20 block handled almost 400 whp for almost 6 months of drag racing before it bent 3 rods and the block eat it self alive. Is that success in my book it is. Much more than these dyno queen cars that run a 10 sec pass once and get parted out.
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I was arguing with him cause he has plans for a b16 to make 500whp on pump and 600whp on race gas. Mase is going to tune it so it will be fine. Lol. He is a mase nutswinger hardcore. I'm not knocking the guys abilities, but no amount of tuner ability will make the impossible happen.
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I was arguing with him cause he has plans for a b16 to make 500whp on pump and 600whp on race gas. Mase is going to tune it so it will be fine. Lol. He is a mase nutswinger hardcore. I'm not knocking the guys abilities, but no amount of tuner ability will make the impossible happen.
Only if JD tunes it :noel:
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Being the grandwizard of the Internet has it's perks
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Im sure you have better things to do than argue with some kid who 99 percent chance wont ever finish the car or even has a job.
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He is actually making some good progress on it. He just caught me at the right time when I had a few min to try to shove some knowledge down his throat
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OK
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Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
RB requires deeper pockets, some shit needs to be fixed on them right out of the gate and they aren't cheap like 2JZ.
Also, neither of those cars are crazy built. Drag racing from a dig is one of the few things a Mk4 should do well. :mexi:
Both make over 500hp. That particular supra would smoke the 240sx, because it has like 900hp at the wheels. It was more of a conversation starter. By not being good from a dig, I meant reasonably low speeds, as in the first few gears neither car would grip. They'd have to use the highway instead of where the people normally race.
Sorry, offtopic. I can look for the dyno vids for that supra though.
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Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
RB requires deeper pockets, some shit needs to be fixed on them right out of the gate and they aren't cheap like 2JZ.
Also, neither of those cars are crazy built. Drag racing from a dig is one of the few things a Mk4 should do well. :mexi:
Both make over 500hp. That particular supra would smoke the 240sx, because it has like 900hp at the wheels. It was more of a conversation starter. By not being good from a dig, I meant reasonably low speeds, as in the first few gears neither car would grip. They'd have to use the highway instead of where the people normally race.
Sorry, offtopic. I can look for the dyno vids for that supra though.
OMGFTWBBQRFL!!!!!!! WOWZERS!!! Over Like, 900 horsepowerz yo!!! Is that with of without the naws?
You sound like one of those annoying kids that hang out in the parking lot ( or other gathering spot) where the older more experienced (FASTER) people gather. You stay shoved up there ass, asking what brand name xxx they have, how much boost, how much naws, and what it "registers". Then you tell them of your heroic youtube surfing, and the awesome cars you find on there. You tell them about your online friends' cars, and other annoying things. You then claim these people that tolerate you at best as close friends on the internet. If this isn't you, you sure fucking remind me of them. You know the kind, the hangout's 16 year old puppy dogs, that fap to Super Street.
From a dig, is exactly that. A DIG. From a DIG, a DEAD STOP, NOT ROLLING.
Back to the topic at hand, J swaps
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A lot of people stopped talking abou J-series because they are boring.
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Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
RB requires deeper pockets, some shit needs to be fixed on them right out of the gate and they aren't cheap like 2JZ.
Also, neither of those cars are crazy built. Drag racing from a dig is one of the few things a Mk4 should do well. :mexi:
Both make over 500hp. That particular supra would smoke the 240sx, because it has like 900hp at the wheels. It was more of a conversation starter. By not being good from a dig, I meant reasonably low speeds, as in the first few gears neither car would grip. They'd have to use the highway instead of where the people normally race.
Sorry, offtopic. I can look for the dyno vids for that supra though.
OMGFTWBBQRFL!!!!!!! WOWZERS!!! Over Like, 900 horsepowerz yo!!! Is that with of without the naws?
You sound like one of those annoying kids that hang out in the parking lot ( or other gathering spot) where the older more experienced (FASTER) people gather. You stay shoved up there ass, asking what brand name xxx they have, how much boost, how much naws, and what it "registers". Then you tell them of your heroic youtube surfing, and the awesome cars you find on there. You tell them about your online friends' cars, and other annoying things. You then claim these people that tolerate you at best as close friends on the internet. If this isn't you, you sure fucking remind me of them. You know the kind, the hangout's 16 year old puppy dogs, that fap to Super Street.
From a dig, is exactly that. A DIG. From a DIG, a DEAD STOP, NOT ROLLING.
Back to the topic at hand, J swaps
No need to be a faggot about it. I don't go around like the kids you bitch about drooling over every credit card and checkbook car I see with baller JDM parts and expensive brand name towhooks. That shits boring, anyone can write a check or swipe a card, and you can only take so many LSvtecs in EG's, bolton B16 swaps, etc until you lose all interest. Are they faster than my car? Yeah, my car is fucking slow and I know it, because I haven't really installed anything yet because I want to learn to do it myself, and am a broke motherfucker.
Oh shit, I forgot which forum I was on for a minute. FUCK YOU!
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Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
RB requires deeper pockets, some shit needs to be fixed on them right out of the gate and they aren't cheap like 2JZ.
Also, neither of those cars are crazy built. Drag racing from a dig is one of the few things a Mk4 should do well. :mexi:
Both make over 500hp. That particular supra would smoke the 240sx, because it has like 900hp at the wheels. It was more of a conversation starter. By not being good from a dig, I meant reasonably low speeds, as in the first few gears neither car would grip. They'd have to use the highway instead of where the people normally race.
Sorry, offtopic. I can look for the dyno vids for that supra though.
OMGFTWBBQRFL!!!!!!! WOWZERS!!! Over Like, 900 horsepowerz yo!!! Is that with of without the naws?
You sound like one of those annoying kids that hang out in the parking lot ( or other gathering spot) where the older more experienced (FASTER) people gather. You stay shoved up there ass, asking what brand name xxx they have, how much boost, how much naws, and what it "registers". Then you tell them of your heroic youtube surfing, and the awesome cars you find on there. You tell them about your online friends' cars, and other annoying things. You then claim these people that tolerate you at best as close friends on the internet. If this isn't you, you sure fucking remind me of them. You know the kind, the hangout's 16 year old puppy dogs, that fap to Super Street.
From a dig, is exactly that. A DIG. From a DIG, a DEAD STOP, NOT ROLLING.
Back to the topic at hand, J swaps
No need to be a faggot about it. I don't go around like the kids you bitch about drooling over every credit card and checkbook car I see with baller JDM parts and expensive brand name towhooks. That shits boring, anyone can write a check or swipe a card, and you can only take so many LSvtecs in EG's, bolton B16 swaps, etc until you lose all interest. Are they faster than my car? Yeah, my car is fucking slow and I know it, because I haven't really installed anything yet because I want to learn to do it myself, and am a broke motherfucker.
Oh shit, I forgot which forum I was on for a minute. FUCK YOU!
This makes me smile. ;D
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Is the RB any better or worse than a 2JZ? I was just talking to someone about them, because there is a crazy built supra and a 240sx with an RB26 that both show up at the races near me. I know neither car would go well from a dig.
RB requires deeper pockets, some shit needs to be fixed on them right out of the gate and they aren't cheap like 2JZ.
Also, neither of those cars are crazy built. Drag racing from a dig is one of the few things a Mk4 should do well. :mexi:
Both make over 500hp. That particular supra would smoke the 240sx, because it has like 900hp at the wheels. It was more of a conversation starter. By not being good from a dig, I meant reasonably low speeds, as in the first few gears neither car would grip. They'd have to use the highway instead of where the people normally race.
Sorry, offtopic. I can look for the dyno vids for that supra though.
OMGFTWBBQRFL!!!!!!! WOWZERS!!! Over Like, 900 horsepowerz yo!!! Is that with of without the naws?
You sound like one of those annoying kids that hang out in the parking lot ( or other gathering spot) where the older more experienced (FASTER) people gather. You stay shoved up there ass, asking what brand name xxx they have, how much boost, how much naws, and what it "registers". Then you tell them of your heroic youtube surfing, and the awesome cars you find on there. You tell them about your online friends' cars, and other annoying things. You then claim these people that tolerate you at best as close friends on the internet. If this isn't you, you sure fucking remind me of them. You know the kind, the hangout's 16 year old puppy dogs, that fap to Super Street.
From a dig, is exactly that. A DIG. From a DIG, a DEAD STOP, NOT ROLLING.
Back to the topic at hand, J swaps
No need to be a faggot about it. I don't go around like the kids you bitch about drooling over every credit card and checkbook car I see with baller JDM parts and expensive brand name towhooks. That shits boring, anyone can write a check or swipe a card, and you can only take so many LSvtecs in EG's, bolton B16 swaps, etc until you lose all interest. Are they faster than my car? Yeah, my car is fucking slow and I know it, because I haven't really installed anything yet because I want to learn to do it myself, and am a broke motherfucker.
Oh shit, I forgot which forum I was on for a minute. FUCK YOU!
That makes up a little. But always remember, there is a line between being inquisitive and just fucking annoying. So long as someone shows a genuine interest, and some knowledge I don't have a problem with them hanging out, asking questions or seeking advice. It's when those faggots ask me (or friends etc..) how much NAWS I have or how much boost is being run, if xxx is JDM, where I got my fart can, and other fucking ignorant, annoying questions. Then some of the ass hats have the audacity to tell me or friends what we need to buy, who to talk to, etc, trying to give advice. I draw the line at being polite there. That shit starts, I kindly tell them to fuck off.
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J's are cool, I thought about doing a TT J in my EG, but the problem is the powerband, and the hood clearance issue.
J32/35's make peak power really early am I right? pair that up with a close ratio type s 6 spd tranny and you are out of the motors powerband most of the time at the track, that would explain why they run high 12's
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J's are cool, I thought about doing a TT J in my EG, but the problem is the powerband, and the hood clearance issue.
J32/35's make peak power really early am I right? pair that up with a close ratio type s 6 spd tranny and you are out of the motors powerband most of the time at the track, that would explain why they run high 12's
They seem to have workable powerbands N/A. But in an EG traction issues and torque steering is mother fucker. :?: ;D
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they have unequal length axles!? holy shit, I could imagine what it would be like if you had one making serious power
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J's are cool, I thought about doing a TT J in my EG, but the problem is the powerband, and the hood clearance issue.
J32/35's make peak power really early am I right? pair that up with a close ratio type s 6 spd tranny and you are out of the motors powerband most of the time at the track, that would explain why they run high 12's
Size turbos to hit later, and use intelligent boost control. If you don't increase the low/midrange but use boost to maintain the torque peak so it carries on into the upper rpms then the traction will be better. See also: retard cam for SOHC or increase overlap/slightly retard cams for DOHC.
Well, you're still dealing with a chunk of torque, you'll need a 26"+ slick to hook it. What's the skinny on those trans, anyway?
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J's are cool, I thought about doing a TT J in my EG, but the problem is the powerband, and the hood clearance issue.
J32/35's make peak power really early am I right? pair that up with a close ratio type s 6 spd tranny and you are out of the motors powerband most of the time at the track, that would explain why they run high 12's
Size turbos to hit later, and use intelligent boost control. If you don't increase the low/midrange but use boost to maintain the torque peak so it carries on into the upper rpms then the traction will be better. See also: retard cam for SOHC or increase overlap/slightly retard cams for DOHC.
Well, you're still dealing with a chunk of torque, you'll need a 26"+ slick to hook it. What's the skinny on those trans, anyway?
I was talking about in stock n/a trim, if it was a turbo J I see what you are saying, it would make its peak n/a power in the midrange then the turbo/s would keep making power all the way to redline.
I've heard of boosted accords making 600whp and close to 600tq. I'd have to agree 26's would be in order to deal with that kind of torque. 600ft./lbs and unequal length axles = quite a handful to drive.
TL-S 6spd ratios:
1st - 3.93
2nd - 2.48
3rd - 1.70
4th - 1.25
5th - 0.98
6th - 0.77
Final drive - 3.29 <wow
RSX-S 6spd ratios:
1 : 3.266:1
2 : 2.130:1
3 : 1.517:1
4 : 1.147:1
5 : 0.921:1
6 : 0.738:1
Final drive : 4.388:1
Cool thing is that the TL-S is LSD, uncool thing is they still go for $2000 at junkyards. The tranny is twice as much as a J32/35 longblock.
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I was talking about in stock n/a trim,
I don't know about the stock part, but I was talking NA when talking about cam gear adjustments to shift the power band.