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General Category => Hybrid/Tech => Topic started by: 98vtec on May 24, 2010, 09:27:07 PM
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I'm considering tackling the rebuild on the H tranny. I've done quite a few rear ends on RWD cars before so the FD and LSD part isnt a problem. The problem is the main shaft and countershaft. I'm going to run an MFactory sychro set so everything will have to be broken down.
anyone want to lend some advice?
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Ask bdvt, Give him a call on the phone, he has done more than his fair share of rebuilding them.
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Ask bdvt, Give him a call on the phone, he has done more than his fair share of rebuilding them.
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Get a press you'll need it.
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press snap ring pliers feeler gauge to name a few
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bdvt is your best bet. ::)
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No need for a press
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He's broken a couple too LOL.
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Bones got woods... Important thing some forget.... So fagbait if you have any ?s give me a pm with your moms number and illcall you at 3 am your time and we can discuss....l
LOL
JK
H trannys are super straightforward.
Youll need a 1/2 drive ratchet to take off the plug for the snap ring as well, didnt see it in bones pic,
Sockets:
32mm socket for countershaft nut
12mm - case bolts, detent ball assys and shifter assy
10mm - shifter box and reverse fork assy
14mm - reverse idler shaft and the two long case bolts located adjacent to the shifter box
feeler gauges
extension
snap ring pliers
prybar
scotchbrite
couple pieces of wood to support the tranny up so that the input shft isnt getting hammered on sitting on its face
Brake clean
Hondabond (I use ulta gray ts 1/5th as expensive and just about the same shit)
lube of choice (but not the stuff you use with your boy toy)
If changing the bearings on the diff... The list gets a bit more in depth, if not... It doesnt change
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Spiker likes my woods :)
I don't do H bitches or GSR/ITR tapered faggot bearings. I've done two Scion trannys with tapered diff bearings, a huge PITA.
I've no need for Scotchbrite pads, unless you mean for the air grinder. The key is to load the fresh pads up with gunk so they don't cut too fast on cases you are doing for customers.
An old shift shaft rod is soft steel, useful for tapping in shims or hitting the center of the MS to knock the bearing and 5th gear off.
I is a redneck, I use left over parts that would be scrape to assist on building other items, it is the hot rodding way.
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No need for a press
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what are you doing to not need a press? We have one at the shop but i was looking to do this at home in my garage.
Only thing i'm waiting on is the sync set so as soon as it comes in, i'll be starting on it.
Any tips on clearances? looser than spec...tighter...etc or is the clearances not adjustable? Spiker you know how much of a bitch these trannies are to shift at high rpm (i'll be in the 9500 area) so if you have any advice it would be appreciated. I'll get widenigger to give you head for your good deeds.
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You will not need a press for shit.
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i dont think the shit is pressed on on those trannys, just d's right????
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That's good to know. Ill call you later, I think I still have your number in my inbox
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I've done two b series and no press needed. Nothing is that night of a fit. A few light taps here and there and using the weight of the shaft and gravity to your advantage. Pretty easy stuff really. A nice set of snap ring pliers are nice. Most of what you need can be done with what you have laying around. Be clean and take care to make sure everything is in the right order. Not rocket science.
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All diff bearings are pressed on, but read the FSM, nothing a 1 5/8" socket and hammer won't install.
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sent you a text nig.
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Bone and Aquafina helped me out when I rebuilt my D series trans. I posted pics up with a question and read write up from online. I also had a spare trans that I used for reference.
I used a heat gun to heat the gears to slide them off of the counter shaft.
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Heat gun is a complete waste of time. I've done tens of these things and never ever needed more than I stated. Stick to having other people build your shot son.
98vhomo is armed with all the info he needs.
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When the mainshaft outer bearing gets stuck in the case, you need a space heater or heat gun ti get it out.
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Out of no where, the bearing drops free. No always a good thing when you are in a quiet garage and about 1/2 lit.
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I have never ever used a he'st gun.
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or been 1/2 lit.. ;D
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woohoo
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BITCHEN!!!
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fucking syncro's need to hurry their ass up.
ready to put it all together.
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Do you have the races sitting on the diff bearings??? or WTF tranny code is that
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nice virgin tranny, moar tranny porn please.
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Do you have the races sitting on the diff bearings??? or WTF tranny code is that
yea, the race was sitting there when i pulled the case off. That trans is a M2A4. JDM non-LSD.
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That's odd that it came out that easily... none of mine have ever just "fell" out of the case. Send that tranny to me and ill put it in my car and test it for you free of charge.
LOL
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i'd rather not have this one broken on its way back ;)
this trans has been a BEAUTY other than at the track on slicks shifting above 8000. If the twin disk does for me what you said it did for you, i'll finally find the ONE thing that let me shift without lockout to 2nd gear above 8000 or grinding into 3rd.
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syncro's came in. I was kind of upset they didnt come with new springs. In regards to reusing those from the two sets of gear sets i have, what do i need to look for to figure out which ones are in the best shape?
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm O0
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why didn't you order new spring rings???
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why didn't you order new spring rings???
im looking online right now, and i'm not seeing where i can order just the rings for each syncro. I found the 50mm ring spring that i can order separate but the others are part of a gear set or the syncro set.
EDIT:
found them on gearspeed
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the countershaft took a little bit of maneuvering along with the diff in order to get it to fit. the 5.15 gear is HUGE.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmm
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really glad i decided to do the syncro's. The old ones are decent but definitely showing wear.
spring rings are on order.
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How much is this rebuild running you? Been thinking of rebuilding mine since its out. Grinds going into 2nd and 5th
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The rebuild and upgrades, about two grand so far.
Try having three SOHC trannys in your car to deliver, their total worth was over $8000.
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I found it cute you had it all layed out numbered :-*... After a few or ten, youll remember in your sleep.... SO in that pic looks like ya had carbons in there???
Beaner: You need sleeve sets. Around 450 from gearspeed for the non carbon... I have a good 5th sleeve and syncro you could have cheap. I have alot of stuff for everything but 1st gear syncro rings,3-4 sliders and the 1-2 slider. Ill have to come clean for new stuff next time around
Here:
Honda Prelude H22 H23 1992-2001 5th Synchro Sleeve Set including the Sleeve, Hub, Stock Brass Synchro and Synchro spring
$152.00
Honda Prelude H22 H23 1-2 Synchro Sleeve Set
1st / 2nd Synchro Sleeve Set including the Sleeve, Hub, Synchro springs, Brass 1st and 3 piece dual cone 2nd Synchros.
Sale price: $319.95
http://store.gearspeedpartsstore.com/manualparts.html (http://store.gearspeedpartsstore.com/manualparts.html)
I too did alot of tranny lovin this weekend. Waiting on the 3 annd 4 syncro carbons and stop rings then I can put this bitch back together. Did a IS bearing/ IS seal and counter FD bearing too
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How much is this rebuild running you? Been thinking of rebuilding mine since its out. Grinds going into 2nd and 5th
with the LSD, FD, syncros, rings - about 1500. The clutch addition brought it to 2500.
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I found it cute you had it all layed out numbered :-*... After a few or ten, youll remember in your sleep.... SO in that pic looks like ya had carbons in there???
yea, it really does appear to be all that bad, but i know im just newbie just slapping it together praying it works :P JK
no, that pic was when i first tore the mainshaft down. I got the nut loose from the countershaft today when i got to the shop this morning so i'll have it broken down later tonight.
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Im seeing some heat in what appears to be 4th (MAYBE third)in yor pic above??? Not really bad, just sayin.
Id run that biotch again fo sho.
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Im seeing some heat in what appears to be 4th (MAYBE third)in yor pic above??? Not really bad, just sayin.
Id run that biotch again fo sho.
the one before i put the scotch brite pad on? I noticed that but i didnt see anything abnormal with the syncro so.... :?:
fuck it. :)
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Ya man youre good... None of mine have that shit... redline LW shockproof ftw ! Looks like a nicely upgraded trans.
My syncros will be here tomorrow, Just got off the phone with COMP. They have completely redesigned their clutch disks... again
full face friction (not a "puck" design, thicker plate and harder hubs (50 rockwell) and the hubs grap the entire input shafts splines... Not hang over the ends anymore. Ill have pics later in the week when I stuff it together
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Ya man youre good... None of mine have that shit... redline LW shockproof ftw ! Looks like a nicely upgraded trans.
My syncros will be here tomorrow, Just got off the phone with COMP. They have completely redesigned their clutch disks... again
full face friction (not a "puck" design, thicker plate and harder hubs (50 rockwell) and the hubs grap the entire input shafts splines... Not hang over the ends anymore. Ill have pics later in the week when I stuff it together
i hope i got the redesigned version...lol.
i'll have to give that redline stuff a whirle. We are a redline dealer so i can get it on the cheap :)
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sorry but you wont have the new discs unless you ordered your clutch today. i think we are gettinf the 1st and 2nd set of the new stuff 8)
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i'll have to give that redline stuff a whirle. We are a redline dealer so i can get it on the cheap :)
I love redline, it is fantastic. Ive used the royal purple and it was alright but the redline really made my high rpm shifts way easier, no more lockout. That's on the evo though.
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i got a question. My reverse gear (1/2 selector) looks like it has had better days. It was hard to get a good picture of it:
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what do you think?
I'm going to take apart the other countershaft tomorrow and see if the gears/hubs/sliders are any better.
Also, what torque spec are you guys using on the diff bolts? Honda spec? I dunno if i lost the papers or not, but i didnt see anything in my box as far as torque specs go.
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Has it ever given you any trouble? It isn't like you're ever slamming it into reverse either. If it were me i'd just stay focused on the forward gears unless it's been giving you trouble.
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nah, it hadn't given me any problems before but i might as well pick the better of the two while i have it torn apart. Need to do the same thing with the rest of the gears, but i would like to be able to see a brand new gear so i know exactly what i should be looking for as far as picking one over another.
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get a fresh 1-2 slider...........
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get a fresh 1-2 slider...........
i concur. I might have a nice 1-2 ill look/ That ones beat
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i'll let you know, im going to tear the other countershaft down during lunch. Hopefully its in better shape.
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Ill look... In the middle of putting my box back together too,,, Just picked up the input shaft seal and installed it along with IS bearing. Syncros just got here... ill havre the tranny back together tonight :noel:
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yea, it was no better than the other. My rings dont get here til the end of the week so no rush.
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ok guys im in need of a 1-2 selector slider. If you have one or may know something who has a good one, please let me know!
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Synchrotech
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Fuck my tranny shifts nice... Too bad the motorgoboom....
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Synchrotech
i sent them an email, i really hope they dont make me buy the whole 1-2 rebuild kit just to get the sleeve.
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Fuck my tranny shifts nice... Too bad the motorgoboom....
what????
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Synchrotech
i sent them an email, i really hope they dont make me buy the whole 1-2 rebuild kit just to get the sleeve.
WTF do you need, sleeve or slider?????
http://shop.synchrotech-transmissions.com/SO-137-Honda-Acura-B-Series-1st-2nd-Synchro-Sleeve-SO-137.htm (http://shop.synchrotech-transmissions.com/SO-137-Honda-Acura-B-Series-1st-2nd-Synchro-Sleeve-SO-137.htm)
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Fuck my tranny shifts nice... Too bad the motorgoboom....
what????
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Synchrotech
i sent them an email, i really hope they dont make me buy the whole 1-2 rebuild kit just to get the sleeve.
WTF do you need, sleeve or slider?????
http://shop.synchrotech-transmissions.com/SO-137-Honda-Acura-B-Series-1st-2nd-Synchro-Sleeve-SO-137.htm (http://shop.synchrotech-transmissions.com/SO-137-Honda-Acura-B-Series-1st-2nd-Synchro-Sleeve-SO-137.htm)
sorry, my terminology is not completely grounded yet. I called it the slider because it moves up and down LOL. I need the sleeve. I made a WTB post in the transmission area of HT and i got a PM that told me the B and H use the same 1/2 sleeve. Is there any truth to this? I find it unlikely when the link you just provided said it only fits B trannies.
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Dunno, I've never messed with an H tranny.
I have two here though......in the scrape pile :(