:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: mrgreengenes on September 13, 2010, 07:46:10 PM
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We should all know the original sinktrap mani's out there... stock upper cast exh manifold, with an up pipe to a top mount. Well i've always wanted to do one, and got a chance to on a dsm. I made a Tri-Y from scratch, and it turned out pretty neat. The customer wanted better spool, as well as more overall power, and i figured (wrongly maybe?) that this would do the trick...
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^^^^ with the new tial MVR (new 44mm) with available water cooling
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^^^ precision 5857 ballbearing turbo, .48 a/r turbine for spool
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the owner's got a ported 2G race head with a set of comp cams, and a stock 6 bolt bottom end. I think this will blow up sooner than later, although he has been boosting it with a 50trim at 29psi with piss injection for the past year and a bit, so who knows.
enjoy!
Phil
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I LIKE!
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I've been planning to build one of these soon... not that nice though...
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God that's a tiny hot side
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Fuck if you would have divided the collector its even paired right. I dig it
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http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=13763.msg153984;topicseen#msg153984 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=13763.msg153984;topicseen#msg153984)
Its like mine just less niggered.
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thats not a top mount this is a topmount
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That thur is teh Aids
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Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
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Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
Awsome plan. It will be the new motormountifold!
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Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
Why would one want to create a point of stress from a exhaust manifold to the FRAME? the whole point of an engine mount is to isolate the engine from the chassis. By introducing a non compliance mount or "brace" you would be stopping the mounts from doing there job, introduce loads of vibration to the chassis and in the end the thing would snap in a matter of day's from the engine trying to rip the mount apart as the motor mounts flex.
so in other words don't listen to that guy.
If you really wanting to add a support which i wouldn't do, you could go from the turbo mounting points to the head studs. this way the manifold would be supported from nasty vibrations and would still be free to move around some with heat cycles.
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Corner of turbo flange to collector. 1" piece of metal as support. Should take 45 seconds to put in there. Done!
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Corner of turbo flange to collector. 1" piece of metal as support. Should take 45 seconds to put in there. Done!
Word.
Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
Why would one want to create a point of stress from a exhaust manifold to the FRAME? the whole point of an engine mount is to isolate the engine from the chassis. By introducing a non compliance mount or "brace" you would be stopping the mounts from doing there job, introduce loads of vibration to the chassis and in the end the thing would snap in a matter of day's from the engine trying to rip the mount apart as the motor mounts flex.
so in other words don't listen to that guy.
If you really wanting to add a support which i wouldn't do, you could go from the turbo mounting points to the head studs. this way the manifold would be supported from nasty vibrations and would still be free to move around some with heat cycles.
Supports/braces are worth it. So basically what your saying is solid mounts are a bad idea ......
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A single solid mount on the Mani is a bad idea
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Corner of turbo flange to collector. 1" piece of metal as support. Should take 45 seconds to put in there. Done!
Word.
Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
Why would one want to create a point of stress from a exhaust manifold to the FRAME? the whole point of an engine mount is to isolate the engine from the chassis. By introducing a non compliance mount or "brace" you would be stopping the mounts from doing there job, introduce loads of vibration to the chassis and in the end the thing would snap in a matter of day's from the engine trying to rip the mount apart as the motor mounts flex.
so in other words don't listen to that guy.
If you really wanting to add a support which i wouldn't do, you could go from the turbo mounting points to the head studs. this way the manifold would be supported from nasty vibrations and would still be free to move around some with heat cycles.
Supports/braces are worth it. So basically what your saying is solid mounts are a bad idea ......
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No you dumb shit i said a manifold brace to the FRAME when you have motor mounts that allow movement is a BAD fucking idea.
I never stated manifold/header braces are bad, but when you use a material thats all of 4 times thicker then anything used in real racing where turbo manifold braces kinda came about, you look like an idiot with a brace on it. If you can't get a manifold to hold together without a huge monstrous brace you should stop welding.
WTF does solid mounts have to do with anything????
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Corner of turbo flange to collector. 1" piece of metal as support. Should take 45 seconds to put in there. Done!
Word.
Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
Why would one want to create a point of stress from a exhaust manifold to the FRAME? the whole point of an engine mount is to isolate the engine from the chassis. By introducing a non compliance mount or "brace" you would be stopping the mounts from doing there job, introduce loads of vibration to the chassis and in the end the thing would snap in a matter of day's from the engine trying to rip the mount apart as the motor mounts flex.
so in other words don't listen to that guy.
If you really wanting to add a support which i wouldn't do, you could go from the turbo mounting points to the head studs. this way the manifold would be supported from nasty vibrations and would still be free to move around some with heat cycles.
Supports/braces are worth it. So basically what your saying is solid mounts are a bad idea ......
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No you dumb shit i said a manifold brace to the FRAME when you have motor mounts that allow movement is a BAD fucking idea.
I never stated manifold/header braces are bad, but when you use a material thats all of 4 times thicker then anything used in real racing where turbo manifold braces kinda came about, you look like an idiot with a brace on it. If you can't get a manifold to hold together without a huge monstrous brace you should stop welding.
WTF does solid mounts have to do with anything????
FYI. Sometimes people dont want to hear the truth LOL
Anything thats mounted to the motor/trans should not be mounted to the body/chassis in any solid way.
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Corner of turbo flange to collector. 1" piece of metal as support. Should take 45 seconds to put in there. Done!
Word.
Sick ass manifold, may I suggest adding a support on the turbo the the radiator support?
Why would one want to create a point of stress from a exhaust manifold to the FRAME? the whole point of an engine mount is to isolate the engine from the chassis. By introducing a non compliance mount or "brace" you would be stopping the mounts from doing there job, introduce loads of vibration to the chassis and in the end the thing would snap in a matter of day's from the engine trying to rip the mount apart as the motor mounts flex.
so in other words don't listen to that guy.
If you really wanting to add a support which i wouldn't do, you could go from the turbo mounting points to the head studs. this way the manifold would be supported from nasty vibrations and would still be free to move around some with heat cycles.
Supports/braces are worth it. So basically what your saying is solid mounts are a bad idea ......
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No you dumb shit i said a manifold brace to the FRAME when you have motor mounts that allow movement is a BAD fucking idea.
I never stated manifold/header braces are bad, but when you use a material thats all of 4 times thicker then anything used in real racing where turbo manifold braces kinda came about, you look like an idiot with a brace on it. If you can't get a manifold to hold together without a huge monstrous brace you should stop welding.
WTF does solid mounts have to do with anything????
FYI. Sometimes people dont want to hear the truth LOL
Anything thats mounted to the motor/trans should not be mounted to the body/chassis in any solid way.
except your 1986854766693 ground straps will all 0/1 wire for your fuel pump ;D
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evolution... ballin it up!
nice work phil
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das, solid rod/support and wires are 2 different things... unless all the wires are in metal conduit... then it might be the same :P
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das, solid rod/support and wires are 2 different things... unless all the wires are in metal conduit... then it might be the same :P
i know it was a jd statement thank you. Everyone knows that 100 ground straps to your motor will boost your fuel pump voltage by .2 volts thus solving any A/F problem you have ::)
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except if its a ching chong meow pump... then you're boned no matter what.
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Well played ;D
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das, solid rod/support and wires are 2 different things... unless all the wires are in metal conduit... then it might be the same :P
i know it was a jd statement thank you. Everyone knows that 100 ground straps to your motor will boost your fuel pump voltage by .2 volts thus solving any A/F problem you have ::)
I'd kill you, but chances are you'll choke to death on a cock before too much longer.
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Divide the collector, get a divided SPA turbo .48ar turbine housing for $129 off ebay (or a .63ar if you PM the seller), win. You'd need another WG or a divided WG tube, but it would be soooo worth it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SPA-Turbo-48-T3-A-R-exhaust-turbine-hot-housing-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem334a2c6c65QQitemZ220287757413QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SPA-Turbo-48-T3-A-R-exhaust-turbine-hot-housing-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem334a2c6c65QQitemZ220287757413QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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You're full of interesting things lately, Jeff.
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Divide the collector, get a divided SPA turbo .48ar turbine housing for $129 off ebay (or a .63ar if you PM the seller), win. You'd need another WG or a divided WG tube, but it would be soooo worth it.
I built a previous manifold with a divided T4 S366, single wastgate with a divider, I want to do a similar idea but with a quick spool valve on half the divided scroll.
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You're full of interesting things lately, Jeff.
I hear that a lot, but not normally from a guy. Too many ideas, not enough time or money.
Mrgreengenes, I'm wanting to try the same idea. 4-2-1 divided sinktrap/elephant manifold, except with a quick spool flapper that makes it a tight AR undivided until it hits boost (actually higher drive pressure), then turns to a divided manifold with a large AR. Basicly it diverts both sides to one scroll while blocking the other scroll. I can also test if always-divided will spool faster, and if so just keep it divided.
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Noice!