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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rawr on November 30, 2012, 12:10:28 AM
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What mods would one do to a 6l powerstroke to keep it reliable. What are common problems with them besides egrs?
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Burn it, then give highroller a tug job.
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Burn it, then give highroller a tug job.
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Highroller will have a more comprehensive list but:
-Early 6L's had turbo vane or actuator sticking issues.
-Head gaskets (this is easily fixed with $1100 head studs)
Once you talk to Dave (Passenger) and get an egr delete setup, and some head studs, they are typically pretty reliable at that point as I understand it.
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Thankfully its not an early and It's not going to see any realy heavy boost. Just pulling a toy hauler/ heavy equipment so I think the studs should be cool.
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Change your oil cooler when you do your egr. Add a coolant filtration kit. EGR delete is mandatory.
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Highroller says he owns a 6.4 now, and 6L's are faggotry.
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Don't be a faggot.
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Black Onyx head gaskets and a set of headstuds will set you back less than $1100.
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sell it and get a cummins. probably a 1st gen cause 6l are worthless
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Why would it need sold? It is a nice truck.
Dodge... Ohio? Lololololololno
The only thing there good at here is rusting out in 5 years. Decent motor means shit when everything attached to it becomes Orange flakes. especially when the salt spreader gets hooked up. See lots of fags with cummins vinyl and rust up to their window.
TL;dr. Dodge= rust. Truck stays, waiting for highroller tug job.
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sell it and get a cummins. probably a 1st gen cause 6l are worthless
lol, the 6.0l engine is a solid fucking unit that will take a 1000hp on the stock long block with a set of studs like fuck all. They do have some issues though, some can be fixed some you live with just like anything else. I like how cummins guys like to pretend they are bullet proof and never fail even when they do. They can all break, how was your first cummins? (the one with the broken rings). I work at a general repair/diesel shop, we do many fleet accounts, they all fuck up.
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here is what I would do, check ficm voltage, get up to operating temp and check water temp vrs oil temp, check hpop presure, then you know were you stand.
A 6.0 with a good hpop, good ficm and a non plugged oil cooler and a egr delete is dam near bulletproof, if you want to run it hard on kill head studs will be needed. I find alot of miss diagnostics on these things. Run a good synthtic oil
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sell it and get a cummins. probably a 1st gen cause 6l are worthless
lol, the 6.0l engine is a solid fucking unit that will take a 1000hp on the stock long block with a set of studs like fuck all. They do have some issues though, some can be fixed some you live with just like anything else. I like how cummins guys like to pretend they are bullet proof and never fail even when they do. They can all break, how was your first cummins? (the one with the broken rings). I work at a general repair/diesel shop, we do many fleet accounts, they all fuck up.
i like them all, its just smack talk. i'd rather drive a powerjoke than a gas truck.
the cummins is reliable if you keep them stock. morons put pressure boxes on them and fuck their injectors then the engine. basically what happens.
1st & 2nd gen will run forever stock, 3rd gen will run forever stock as long as you replace the injectors when they go out. usually ~100-150k with stock filtration.
cummins > duramax > powerstroke imo
chevy = ford > dodge as the rest of the truck imo
the reason i got a cummins is because of the fuel mileage. if i bought a brand new truck it'd be a duramax
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I also like the cummins but i have no love for the chevy, you could not give me a "one ton truck" with the front suspension out of a s10. Everyone loves them because they "drive like a car", then put a leveling kit in it because they are a 1/2 inch off the ground and then they ride like complete shit. Keeps me busy with front end work though!
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I have a diablosport predator i'll sell ya cheap rawr.
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I also like the cummins but i have no love for the chevy, you could not give me a "one ton truck" with the front suspension out of a s10. Everyone loves them because they "drive like a car", then put a leveling kit in it because they are a 1/2 inch off the ground and then they ride like complete shit. Keeps me busy with front end work though!
I like my truck because it drives like a car. But it sucks back fuel like no other. 6k left on powertrain warranty then its EFI live, DPF delete, new dp.
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I also like the cummins but i have no love for the chevy, you could not give me a "one ton truck" with the front suspension out of a s10. Everyone loves them because they "drive like a car", then put a leveling kit in it because they are a 1/2 inch off the ground and then they ride like complete shit. Keeps me busy with front end work though!
lol same as the s10 is a bit of an exaggeration. maybe the same basic design. 90% of the people with these trucks won't notice the difference. hell probably 99%. the only idiots who hell run and ruin brand new diesels are rednecks in the south.
the reason i wanted a dodge and the solid front axle is because the suspension is so low in the front you drag it through everything. snow and mud and whatever
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....... Rednecks, south, hell run, johnny?
The fuck?
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only diesel truck i'd buy right now
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thought it was going to be a caddy truck.
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I like my truck because it drives like a car. But it sucks back fuel like no other. 6k left on powertrain warranty then its EFI live, DPF delete, new dp.
my 6.0 was six months old with a egr delete, head studs and a sct with dj diesel tunes run on the race only file daily lol, my 6.4 has waranty untill 2016, h&s black max with kem 345 tune going in this week or next. Already got a dpfe delete, 5" exhaust installed and I still need a egr delete lol. You know whats supposed to ride like a car? a car.
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I like my truck because it drives like a car. But it sucks back fuel like no other. 6k left on powertrain warranty then its EFI live, DPF delete, new dp.
my 6.0 was six months old with a egr delete, head studs and a sct with dj diesel tunes run on the race only file daily lol, my 6.4 has waranty untill 2016, h&s black max with kem 345 tune going in this week or next. Already got a dpfe delete, 5" exhaust installed and I still need a egr delete lol. You know whats supposed to ride like a car? a car.
ITT Chad tries to educate Levi on the finer points of heterosexuality.
And fails.
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I like my truck because it drives like a car. But it sucks back fuel like no other. 6k left on powertrain warranty then its EFI live, DPF delete, new dp.
my 6.0 was six months old with a egr delete, head studs and a sct with dj diesel tunes run on the race only file daily lol, my 6.4 has waranty untill 2016, h&s black max with kem 345 tune going in this week or next. Already got a dpfe delete, 5" exhaust installed and I still need a egr delete lol. You know whats supposed to ride like a car? a car.
ITT Chad tries to educate Levi on the finer points of heterosexuality.
And fails.
I see no fail here :noel:
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I like my truck because it drives like a car. But it sucks back fuel like no other. 6k left on powertrain warranty then its EFI live, DPF delete, new dp.
my 6.0 was six months old with a egr delete, head studs and a sct with dj diesel tunes run on the race only file daily lol, my 6.4 has waranty untill 2016, h&s black max with kem 345 tune going in this week or next. Already got a dpfe delete, 5" exhaust installed and I still need a egr delete lol. You know whats supposed to ride like a car? a car.
Lol 5" exhaust, you planning on making 1200whp?
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I like my truck because it drives like a car. But it sucks back fuel like no other. 6k left on powertrain warranty then its EFI live, DPF delete, new dp.
my 6.0 was six months old with a egr delete, head studs and a sct with dj diesel tunes run on the race only file daily lol, my 6.4 has waranty untill 2016, h&s black max with kem 345 tune going in this week or next. Already got a dpfe delete, 5" exhaust installed and I still need a egr delete lol. You know whats supposed to ride like a car? a car.
Lol 5" exhaust, you planning on making 1200whp?
It's not considered broformance until you hit 5".
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Lol 5" exhaust, you planning on making 1200whp?
room to grow lol :noel:
quietest 6.4 i have ever heard with no dpf!
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Don't be a faggot.
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Black Onyx head gaskets and a set of headstuds will set you back less than $1100.
Great until the stock up pipe breaks/bursts at the flex joint.
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I posted it more to rustle jimmies than anything.
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I posted it more to rustle jimmies than anything.
Its not a bad thing because the coolant still circulates, but blocking off the stock up pipe is dumb, because you are just going to have to pull it out later. The 05-07 up pipes have a scoop inside of them to direct gas to the heat exchanger, which means they blow the fastest when you plug them.
The dumbest thing is when guys actually remove the egr valve itself, which makes the rad fan run less frequently and the engine run hotter.
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The dumbest thing is when guys actually remove the egr valve itself, which makes the rad fan run less frequently and the engine run hotter.
explain
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Installing one of Dave's egr delete kits and a new oil cooler on a 03 6.0 right now.
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The dumbest thing is when guys actually remove the egr valve itself, which makes the rad fan run less frequently and the engine run hotter.
explain
IIRC it runs less frequently but also runs around half the speed without it. I can't remember exactly what the deal is anymore because its was years ago when I tested it but it was a substantial difference. Its not a simple "engine reaches X temperature and fan turns on" type of situation. That is the reason I don't put a block off plate for that in my kits.
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I'll be the first to say 6.0's have a huge case of CANbus AIDS and do dumb shit that makes no sense, but the PWM fan speed logic in the ECU is based on directly measured coolant, oil, and ambient air temps with a side few modifiers based on whether or not the engine is idling or the vehicle is traveling fast enough to shut the fan off entirely (45mph).
I've been through a couple with no EGR, but EGR was set to not present in the ECU. I'm not seeing how EGR removal would cause this - was it replicated on multiple trucks, or was it just one truck that might have had a wiring problem? If I saw one doing that I'd wonder if it was a bad fan clutch or headgasket; deducing the lack of an EGR valve as causing it would be a diagnostic fuck in the ass.
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Jd knows all about fucks in the ass.
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I'll be the first to say 6.0's have a huge case of CANbus AIDS and do dumb shit that makes no sense, but the PWM fan speed logic in the ECU is based on directly measured coolant, oil, and ambient air temps with a side few modifiers based on whether or not the engine is idling or the vehicle is traveling fast enough to shut the fan off entirely (45mph).
I've been through a couple with no EGR, but EGR was set to not present in the ECU. I'm not seeing how EGR removal would cause this - was it replicated on multiple trucks, or was it just one truck that might have had a wiring problem? If I saw one doing that I'd wonder if it was a bad fan clutch or headgasket; deducing the lack of an EGR valve as causing it would be a diagnostic fuck in the ass.
I'm thinking the truck was an 05-06, I only tested the one truck. Most of the mechanics I deal with seem to be familiar with the issue, its just that the details are hazy for me now. I am a hardware guy.
Here is a thread on the issue: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/972688-side-effect-of-disconneting-egr-valve.html (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/972688-side-effect-of-disconneting-egr-valve.html)
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I'll be the first to say 6.0's have a huge case of CANbus AIDS and do dumb shit that makes no sense, but the PWM fan speed logic in the ECU is based on directly measured coolant, oil, and ambient air temps with a side few modifiers based on whether or not the engine is idling or the vehicle is traveling fast enough to shut the fan off entirely (45mph).
I've been through a couple with no EGR, but EGR was set to not present in the ECU. I'm not seeing how EGR removal would cause this - was it replicated on multiple trucks, or was it just one truck that might have had a wiring problem? If I saw one doing that I'd wonder if it was a bad fan clutch or headgasket; deducing the lack of an EGR valve as causing it would be a diagnostic fuck in the ass.
I'm thinking the truck was an 05-06, I only tested the one truck. Most of the mechanics I deal with seem to be familiar with the issue, its just that the details are hazy for me now. I am a hardware guy.
Here is a thread on the issue: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/972688-side-effect-of-disconneting-egr-valve.html (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/972688-side-effect-of-disconneting-egr-valve.html)
I know the feeling, I'm a software/electronic hardware guy.
I only read the first page, but it seems like the trucks only run shitty after EGR codes are present, and most of those guys are going around without EGR disabled in the ECU. While the guys at Spartan are very good with PS, I'd like to know if that was before or after they burned their bridge with SCT and whether or not they had the white papers from Ford for the ECU yet. SCT, as a company, is very funny about who they let have access to certain tables - which sucks as sometimes they are tables required to tune some Ford vehicles correctly.
Well, I guess that gives me something to poke at. My level of understanding is I disable the presence of the EGR system and the ECU skips past it, it'd suck if that wasn't so and the guy down the road I've been feeding flashes to, for the trucks he puts headgaskets/studs/deletes on, hasn't noticed a problem.
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I'll be the first to say 6.0's have a huge case of CANbus AIDS and do dumb shit that makes no sense, but the PWM fan speed logic in the ECU is based on directly measured coolant, oil, and ambient air temps with a side few modifiers based on whether or not the engine is idling or the vehicle is traveling fast enough to shut the fan off entirely (45mph).
I've been through a couple with no EGR, but EGR was set to not present in the ECU. I'm not seeing how EGR removal would cause this - was it replicated on multiple trucks, or was it just one truck that might have had a wiring problem? If I saw one doing that I'd wonder if it was a bad fan clutch or headgasket; deducing the lack of an EGR valve as causing it would be a diagnostic fuck in the ass.
I'm thinking the truck was an 05-06, I only tested the one truck. Most of the mechanics I deal with seem to be familiar with the issue, its just that the details are hazy for me now. I am a hardware guy.
Here is a thread on the issue: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/972688-side-effect-of-disconneting-egr-valve.html (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/972688-side-effect-of-disconneting-egr-valve.html)
I know the feeling, I'm a software/electronic hardware guy.
I only read the first page, but it seems like the trucks only run shitty after EGR codes are present, and most of those guys are going around without EGR disabled in the ECU. While the guys at Spartan are very good with PS, I'd like to know if that was before or after they burned their bridge with SCT and whether or not they had the white papers from Ford for the ECU yet. SCT, as a company, is very funny about who they let have access to certain tables - which sucks as sometimes they are tables required to tune some Ford vehicles correctly.
Well, I guess that gives me something to poke at. My level of understanding is I disable the presence of the EGR system and the ECU skips past it, it'd suck if that wasn't so and the guy down the road I've been feeding flashes to, for the trucks he puts headgaskets/studs/deletes on, hasn't noticed a problem.
I can't remember what the deal is anymore but the electronics are more gay on the 05-07 then on the 03-04 models, just something else to keep in mind.
The 03-04 you can delete and not even get a cel most of the time.
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Very interesting, I've never seen anything about this in all my 6.0l time. It also doesn't make sence to me that the egr would effect the fan in any way. I need to read the whole thread! Good work Dave.