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Title: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 17, 2009, 10:04:14 PM
Ok, I've got a 91 Toyota Cressida with 170K on it. Car belonged to a friend of mine two years ago and it was a PERFECT car back then. Ran perfect, drove like a dream, it was great. Then the 7MGE engine went to leaking oil, then pouring oil, then his dad ran it out of oil and the motor knocks like a son of a bitch. It sat in their background till one day a tree branch fell on it and assassinated the drivers side rear door. Got the car for free and drove it home.  O0 Put a door on it. Needs to be painted to match, but otherwise it has a 9.5/10 body on it. Never wrecked. Interior's a 9/10.

But it knocks like a bitch. I'm looking on ebay and I can have a JDM Madd TyTe engine shipped to my friends business address for 650 and the motor has a 6 month unlimited mileage warranty. Motor's are supposedly 40-60k mile engines.

Thinking about buying one and then buying an engine gasket set for it. Put all new seals, gaskets, etc, then swap it in. This is a car I wanna keep forever. No plans to ever sell it. It will be a summer car to drive when the mazda's blown up or down or whenever. Just a nice, decent 6 cylinder rear wheel drive 4 door.

So...... What would you do?
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 17, 2009, 10:06:31 PM
JZTE it, never look back
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 17, 2009, 10:10:12 PM
JZ swaps are expensive, time consuming, and would require me to do a bunch of shit to make it work. I can't do that right now. Either the car sits broke down needing an engine for another year or I find a 7MGE and put it in. This will be a daily driver car, not a hot rod.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 17, 2009, 10:12:44 PM
7M's are decent.  Had one with 280K killed it by hydrolocking it.  bone stock 32MPG, 16.5 sec quarter in an 86.5 supra

They do have HG issues though
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 17, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
What I've read is that the head bolts aren't torqued properly from the factory. And if the gasket's not blown, retorquing the bolts fixes the issue. Either way, I'll be buying an engine gasket set, so pulling the head and putting a new HG isn't out of the question.

Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 17, 2009, 10:21:28 PM
Retorque dosent fix it, it just holds it together longer.  I was told to retorque every 40k miles by a toyota tech.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 17, 2009, 10:25:27 PM
Well, I don't know shit about toyotas. But......................... Would I be fucking up to spend 650 on a new motor shipped? I've been looking for a motor at the local yards for a year now, and they're almost impossible to find. I'm basically gonna have to buy an engine from someone, and no matter what I would expect to pay 500+ for an engine already pulled. So 650 seems good to me, especially if it's 60K mile or less. I do wonder if they're really that low mileage.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 17, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
SOunds good, as long as they pay labor if its fucked up
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 17, 2009, 10:28:46 PM
also, check http://www.car-part.com (http://www.car-part.com)  they may have some decent deals
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 17, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
I do wonder if they're really that low mileage.

After almost 20 years of falling for that line, someone finally wonders?
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: random-strike on June 18, 2009, 01:34:52 AM
Buy a brick to put on the gas and point it towards a cliff. Itll never make the power you want and its gay
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: jagojon3 on June 18, 2009, 01:42:04 AM
TACO12 KIT
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: turbob16hatch on June 18, 2009, 02:49:41 AM
there is a big supra guy in town, he had a dd supra with a 7mgte making liek 400 hp pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: ShoofIsLudin on June 18, 2009, 03:13:16 AM
I say replace the motor with the $650 motor.  Just swap it, and if the ride gets boring either boost it or spray it with a little something.

I've always wondered if the miles stated were the actual mile range for the motors.  I've heard that when they hit a certain km, the car has to be junked or taxed because of the emissions it'd produce from being broken in lol
This was heard from a ricer, so i'm on the fence.  It's plausible, but i just don't know   :mexi:
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: colt45 on June 18, 2009, 03:38:33 AM
yes you should
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: chris on June 18, 2009, 06:12:03 AM
I do wonder if they're really that low mileage.

After almost 20 years of falling for that line, someone finally wonders?



Conserding I do this stuff for a living most of the very old stuff is not from japan but from other parts of Asia.


The type r's which are 96+ motors are running between 55-85k from what Im seeing from the front clips


a 20 year old motor is most likely from China,Phillipines or if it does have the mileage they claim has sat for 15 years



The rule in Jap land is as the cars gets older registartion fees increase to the point that keeping the car is worthless. Has nothing to do with mileage.



All the really old motors have alot of miles but since people want to hear it ya JDM motors have like 5000 miles and run perfect






NOT



Its a 20 year old used motor take it for what it is KIDS
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: That Guy on June 18, 2009, 06:14:48 AM
i had an 84 cressida with no rust on it, sat in an old ladys carport for years cause of a really noisy diff, i wrecked it a week after i bought it hitting a patch of black ice followed by another toyota. ...was the nicest car i have ever owned :-[
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Robb on June 18, 2009, 09:25:46 AM
Just ask me how much hate I have for the 7M series.  Its runs deep. 

Sell that bitch to some supra faggots for more than its worth, and buy a honda.  7m is the worst motor Toyota ever built, there arent any left that havent already blown head gaskets.  The "factory fix" was a different headgasket design withthe same torque spec.  Fail. 
The chances of you finding a 7m that wasnt poorly repaired hg are slim.  Your turbo miata would be more reliable than that bitch. 

Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: 92CXyD on June 18, 2009, 09:43:19 AM
I would beg to differ the  4e, 5e and early 4alc's were the worst one I had the miss fortune to work on.

5m and 7m I found to be alright motors but the toyota was not up to speed with the electronics to keep motor running.

Just keep 20w-50 oil in the 7m and you will not problems with lubrication.

The M's are some of the smoothest running I6 I ever messed with.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Robb on June 18, 2009, 10:14:07 AM
I would beg to differ the  4e, 5e and early 4alc's were the worst one I had the miss fortune to work on.

5m and 7m I found to be alright motors but the toyota was not up to speed with the electronics to keep motor running.

Just keep 20w-50 oil in the 7m and you will not problems with lubrication.

The M's are some of the smoothest running I6 I ever messed with.

4e's dont pop hg's if you look at em funny.  They just leak oil till they leave you on the side of the road.  :P

Toyota's electronics still arent up to par.

Try actually making some power with a 7m for any lenth of time. I measure them in reference to rotaries.  :P

The oil issues run deeper than just the oil weight (your statement is on par with the issues though).

I6 design is inherently a balanced smooth running engine. 7m's just dont make enough power to let you feel it through that fat fucking heavy chassis that is the supra or for that matter, cressida.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 18, 2009, 10:25:32 AM
I think he said he wanted it to remain stock, the 7m should be ok with proper care

Personally, I'd atleast 1jz it
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Loki on June 18, 2009, 11:44:49 AM
I'd just get the $650 motor, put ARP head bolts or studs in it and then if you get bored na-t it. Na-t is easy and more fun then a stock GTE. That's what's in my car and it was more fun then the GTE ever was. I need to get that junker running again  :(
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Doug on June 18, 2009, 12:22:15 PM
Buy the motor, get it running good, then sell it. Those cars are ugly as shit IMO.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: chris on June 18, 2009, 12:58:06 PM
sell car



Buy honda accord
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: fysh on June 18, 2009, 01:12:12 PM
Replace the motor with something God intended it to have, LQ9.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: NoPistons! on June 18, 2009, 01:29:05 PM
JZ swaps are expensive, time consuming, and would require me to do a bunch of shit to make it work. I can't do that right now. Either the car sits broke down needing an engine for another year or I find a 7MGE and put it in. This will be a daily driver car, not a hot rod.

BS.

7mge is garbage.

1jz.  You can run a r154 7mte transmission, JZ bellhousing and probably use your existing driveshaft.  You can make mounts for the transmission and motor mounts, this is a fairly common swap in cressidas.  You can pick up a 1jz/2jz for a cool $850-1100.   That's with wire harness, both turbos....pretty much everything you need.  If you want to swap in a 7m, which is weaksauce compared to a jz.....go for it but you're talking out of your ass if you think swapping in a 2jz is too much money.  Under $3k you can have it done if you're not a retard.  Then you'll have 4 doors of terror and fun wishing you had done it sooner.  Daily the miata.  Cressida is WIN.

BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 18, 2009, 01:56:31 PM
JZ swaps are expensive, time consuming, and would require me to do a bunch of shit to make it work. I can't do that right now. Either the car sits broke down needing an engine for another year or I find a 7MGE and put it in. This will be a daily driver car, not a hot rod.

BS.

7mge is garbage.

1jz.  You can run a r154 7mte transmission, JZ bellhousing and probably use your existing driveshaft.  You can make mounts for the transmission and motor mounts, this is a fairly common swap in cressidas.  You can pick up a 1jz/2jz for a cool $850-1100.   That's with wire harness, both turbos....pretty much everything you need.  If you want to swap in a 7m, which is weaksauce compared to a jz.....go for it but you're talking out of your ass if you think swapping in a 2jz is too much money.  Under $3k you can have it done if you're not a retard.  Then you'll have 4 doors of terror and fun wishing you had done it sooner.  Daily the miata.  Cressida is WIN.

BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.


This.

BUT I DON'T WANT A HOTROD CRESSIDA

I just want it to run, and daily it. I've got a turbo miata I can drive if I wanna go fast. The cressida was free, and I have no plans of dropping 3K in just to get it running.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: NoPistons! on June 18, 2009, 02:04:18 PM
280hp is hardly a hotrod.

That's fine though..... 

Now i think you should get rid of it and buy a honda.  You lack vision and ambition.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 18, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
280hp is hardly a hotrod.

That's fine though..... 

Now i think you should get rid of it and buy a honda.  You lack vision and ambition.
I don't want a honda. I have no ambition to make the car fast. I have enough project cars. If I wanted to do a badass swap I wouldn't start with a 170K fucking mile Cressida.

Probably ordering an engine soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Robb on June 18, 2009, 02:15:18 PM
  Cressida is WIN.

BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.


Disagree with you there rotard.  Cressida are fat fucking heavy pigs that make supras look like ballet dancers on the street.  They get piss poor fuel mileage, and it takes significantly more power to make them move like a supra (which is already too heavy).  

Your comment about fwd understeering lends me to believe you dont fully understand suspension dynamics.  You seriously prefer this cressida handling wise over a honda? What sort of crack are you smoking?  Have you ever actually been to an autocross and watched the stock motor hondas whoop ass on sti's and evo's?  For every "good" handling rx7 you produce, there will be 3 honda's that will go faster, and turn in harder than you.  

What this boils down to is cost/dollar.  If the amount of money it takes to get this cressida running + cost of ownership (fuel, parts, etc.) exceeds the projected cost of owning something that will run forever (fwd honda anyone?) then it isnt worth it.  Not when he could sell the car to some supra wankers for $1000+ blown up and make a quick buck.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 18, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
  Cressida is WIN.

BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.


Disagree with you there rotard.  Cressida are fat fucking heavy pigs that make supras look like ballet dancers on the street.  They get piss poor fuel mileage, and it takes significantly more power to make them move like a supra (which is already too heavy).  

Your comment about fwd understeering lends me to believe you dont fully understand suspension dynamics.  You seriously prefer this cressida handling wise over a honda? What sort of crack are you smoking?  Have you ever actually been to an autocross and watched the stock motor hondas whoop ass on sti's and evo's?  For every "good" handling rx7 you produce, there will be 3 honda's that will go faster, and turn in harder than you.  

What this boils down to is cost/dollar.  If the amount of money it takes to get this cressida running + cost of ownership (fuel, parts, etc.) exceeds the projected cost of owning something that will run forever (fwd honda anyone?) then it isnt worth it.  Not when he could sell the car to some supra wankers for $1000+ blown up and make a quick buck.

Well, regardless, I don't want a honda or any FWD car. I don't care how fast a honda is, or how well it turns in on an autocross. Sure, it's better in every way. But I don't want anything to do with one.  :P (holy shit their's some honda fanbois on this site.........)

Cost is low right now. I can probably buy the engine and have the car going with a new motor for 1K. That's worth it for me. If it was gonna cost 2K, then no. But I don't see it costing that much.

On the subject of 7M's, could I not:

Buy an engine, pull the head, check the deck and head for warpage, install a new HG, torque to whatever the correct torque is, and have a good motor that will run N/A for a few years?

Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: t_cel_t on June 18, 2009, 02:29:17 PM
dont knock the 4e, i ran mine hard every day with close to 80mile daily commute and still delivered 42MPG. did this for 3 years strait untill i bought another car, i sold it and the fucker is still going strong.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Robb on June 18, 2009, 02:41:18 PM

Well, regardless, I don't want a honda or any FWD car. I don't care how fast a honda is, or how well it turns in on an autocross. Sure, it's better in every way. But I don't want anything to do with one.  :P (holy shit their's some honda fanbois on this site.........)

Cost is low right now. I can probably buy the engine and have the car going with a new motor for 1K. That's worth it for me. If it was gonna cost 2K, then no. But I don't see it costing that much.

On the subject of 7M's, could I not:

Buy an engine, pull the head, check the deck and head for warpage, install a new HG, torque to whatever the correct torque is, and have a good motor that will run N/A for a few years?



Sir, I was simply replying to his ignorant comment. I realize you dont prefer hondas in your previous posts.

In reference to 7m's, I seriously doubt there are any left that havent already been apart at least once.  Depending on the quality of the person who replaced the gasket the first time, you may be deeper in it than you think.  Stock HG torque spec is like 36lbft or something stupid, and thats what they get torqued back to by joe shmoe mechanic down the street.  Not to mention the 7m was designed to run on 20w-50, and most folks use 10w-30, which is why alot of them develop rod knock. (7psi oil pressure at idle probably doesnt help). Im sure that having BHG coolant in the oil a few times doenst help either.
Now, if you put that replaced hg 7m you buy in the car and its knocking too, you gotta go in the bottom end.  Not trying to sway your decision at this point, just giving you a perspective Pat.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: chris on June 18, 2009, 03:22:12 PM
zc swap sir
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: patsmx5 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:26 PM

Well, regardless, I don't want a honda or any FWD car. I don't care how fast a honda is, or how well it turns in on an autocross. Sure, it's better in every way. But I don't want anything to do with one.  :P (holy shit their's some honda fanbois on this site.........)

Cost is low right now. I can probably buy the engine and have the car going with a new motor for 1K. That's worth it for me. If it was gonna cost 2K, then no. But I don't see it costing that much.

On the subject of 7M's, could I not:

Buy an engine, pull the head, check the deck and head for warpage, install a new HG, torque to whatever the correct torque is, and have a good motor that will run N/A for a few years?



Sir, I was simply replying to his ignorant comment. I realize you dont prefer hondas in your previous posts.

In reference to 7m's, I seriously doubt there are any left that havent already been apart at least once.  Depending on the quality of the person who replaced the gasket the first time, you may be deeper in it than you think.  Stock HG torque spec is like 36lbft or something stupid, and thats what they get torqued back to by joe shmoe mechanic down the street.  Not to mention the 7m was designed to run on 20w-50, and most folks use 10w-30, which is why alot of them develop rod knock. (7psi oil pressure at idle probably doesnt help). Im sure that having BHG coolant in the oil a few times doenst help either.
Now, if you put that replaced hg 7m you buy in the car and its knocking too, you gotta go in the bottom end.  Not trying to sway your decision at this point, just giving you a perspective Pat.
Help is much appreciated Robb, and understand your post was targeted at the rotard.

Never knew they were designed to run 20-50. I guess I could plastigauge the bearings while the oil pan's off to see how the bottom end has worn.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 18, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
I was running 0-30 in my supra w/ 280k miles original bottom end
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: rawr on June 18, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
After replacing everything you need to replace on that 7m to get it sorted out after how long the car has been sitting you'll be in it for 2k. I've gone that route and that's about what I paid and my motor is pretty slopped out and burns oil.  Fucking waste of time.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Robb on June 18, 2009, 04:46:48 PM
I was running 0-30 in my supra w/ 280k miles original bottom end

Jordan, yours was clearly maintained properly.  99% of them arent. 

Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 18, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.

Excuse me, Stupid.   You're in Charlotte, I am always at Shadyside.  How about you roll out in something that you think runs well and I'll set you up with multiple Hondas that will smash it into a fragment.   See also: I'll send people to the autocross after you, and make you look stupid.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 18, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
yea, wish I still had it, body was rusted, but it was a solid beater decently maintained before I took the reigns, took every rapeing I could deliver to it and begged for more.

I put the HG on it when I bought it, Distributor fried when the battery shifted and a connection came off, Trans had the output shaft BS I replaced it, and I put a clutch in it.  Thats all I did to that car in the 120K miles I drove it before killing it in 2.5 feet of water.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: racingtiger on June 19, 2009, 06:18:03 PM
280hp is hardly a hotrod.

That's fine though..... 

Now i think you should get rid of it and buy a honda.  You lack vision and ambition.

And you lack the ability to fix bump steer :yes:
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: 90dx on June 20, 2009, 09:27:39 PM
Chevy small block / thread
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: dvst8r on June 20, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
Turbo Chevy small block / thread

Fixed
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: NoPistons! on June 22, 2009, 01:58:46 AM
BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.

Excuse me, Stupid.   You're in Charlotte, I am always at Shadyside.  How about you roll out in something that you think runs well and I'll set you up with multiple Hondas that will smash it into a fragment.   See also: I'll send people to the autocross after you, and make you look stupid.

At the end of the day, i can do a donut and you can't. 


Nuff said.


Oh, and for those calling me a "rotard", as soon as that thing pops, it's getting parted out and sold to make way for either 1jz powah, lt1 t70 turbo powah or ls1 powah........

People can dog the cressida all they want.  It's a cool motherfucking car.  Stock, not stock, it's still cool.  Get an oe motor for it.  Even if it's just a daily.  Who cares.  not everyone and their brother is driving one.  Not a dime a dozen like a honda fail or 240sx with cut springs on steelies with fucking dents everywhere.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Robb on June 22, 2009, 09:09:42 AM
BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.

Excuse me, Stupid.   You're in Charlotte, I am always at Shadyside.  How about you roll out in something that you think runs well and I'll set you up with multiple Hondas that will smash it into a fragment.   See also: I'll send people to the autocross after you, and make you look stupid.

At the end of the day, i can do a donut and you can't. 


Nuff said.


Oh, and for those calling me a "rotard", as soon as that thing pops, it's getting parted out and sold to make way for either 1jz powah, lt1 t70 turbo powah or ls1 powah........

People can dog the cressida all they want.  It's a cool motherfucking car.  Stock, not stock, it's still cool.  Get an oe motor for it.  Even if it's just a daily.  Who cares.  not everyone and their brother is driving one.  Not a dime a dozen like a honda fail or 240sx with cut springs on steelies with fucking dents everywhere.


Lol how cool it is doesnt matter if you cant out-run grandma's buick regal GS. 

You drive a rotary, and are hinceforth a rotard, until you remove said failure from your vehicle.  Thanks.



Oh yeah, reported.
Title: Re: Should I buy a motor for my 91' Cressida?
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
BTW, cressida's are bad ass.   Selling this to buy a fwd understeering whore of a honda is just stupid.  Anyone who suggests that has fucking down syndrome.

Excuse me, Stupid.   You're in Charlotte, I am always at Shadyside.  How about you roll out in something that you think runs well and I'll set you up with multiple Hondas that will smash it into a fragment.   See also: I'll send people to the autocross after you, and make you look stupid.

At the end of the day, i can do a donut and you can't. 

I've owned the same RWD sportscar longer than you've been driving, faggot, and I'll still own it when - IF - you ever muster anything that could break deep into the 9s at Shadyside.