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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: 5thgenlx on July 28, 2009, 05:41:44 PM
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http://townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2009/07/28/reading_the_fine_print_in_the_health_care_bill?page=full (http://townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2009/07/28/reading_the_fine_print_in_the_health_care_bill?page=full)
The House Democrats' health-care bill is titled "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009." No clue is given as to how long we will have a choice, but it will probably be only until the "public option" chases private insurance out of business.
The bill's subtitle states its purpose as health care for everyone, reducing "the growth in health care spending ... and for other purposes." Note that the goal is not to reduce spending but only the "growth" in spending, and we need to worry about the "other purposes" that will be added by the bureaucrats' regulations.
The bill states that health-care benefits require "shared responsibility among workers, employers, and the government." That means the government will force all taxpayers to pay for health care for millions of people who don't now buy insurance because they don't need it, or because insurance doesn't cover what they do need. (Page 5)
The bill states that the government will investigate "self-insured employers not being able to pay obligations." Government agents will audit and then harass small-business owners to force them to pay for insurance they cannot afford. (Page 22)
The bill provides for optional "nurse home visitation services" without specifying who has power to exercise the option. Among the various purposes listed are "increasing birth intervals between pregnancies" (this reminds us of China's policies to reduce childbirth by married couples), reducing "child abuse, neglect, and injury" (giving more authority to the already too powerful Child Protective Services) and promoting school readiness (will homeschooling be scorned?). (Page 768)
The bill covers family planning. Those are well-known code words for taxpayer-funded contraception and abortion, and will impose mandatory coverage of abortion on demand in all health plans. (Page 772)
The bill provides for "culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services" and "shall give priority to applicants that have developed partnerships with community organizations or with agencies with experience in language access." This opens up plenty of funding for health and translation services for illegal aliens. (Pages 405 and 407)
Title II of the bill creates a "Health Insurance Exchange," pretending to be a marketplace for health insurance plans. Of course, so long as the "public option" is subsidized by the taxpayers, it can always undersell private plans. (Page 72)
The government will specify the health benefits that must be included in any plan participating in the Health Insurance Exchange. If all private plans must include all government-specified benefits (which will surely include benefits unwanted by many people and will inevitably drive up costs), whatever happened to choice? (Page 84)
Anyone who does not enroll in an Exchange-participating plan will be "automatically enrolled under Medicaid." The government will thus use force to achieve its goal of universal coverage. (Page 102)
Employers will be subjected to a play-or-pay mandate. Those who do not provide health insurance to their employees must give the government a "contribution" equal to 8 percent of average wages paid. (Page 149)
Seniors must submit to "advance care planning consultation" (aka end-of-life discussions) every five years, or more often if there is "a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury." Will these consultants advise seniors to hurry up and die because they are costing too much money? (Pages 425 and 429)
Government bureaucrats will conduct "Comparative Effectiveness Research" to decide the effectiveness of treatments and drugs. That is the exotic label for rationing and, as House Appropriations Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., admitted, drugs and treatments that are "found to be less effective and more expensive will no longer be prescribed." (Pages 502 and 520)
Government bureaucrats (not the medical profession) shall determine national priorities for research. (Page 505)
Preference in awarding grants or contracts will be given to entities that have trained "the greatest percentage" of public-health workers in the government and that have trained large percentages of "under-represented minority groups." Think ACORN! (Pages 909 and 910)
The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?
The fine print of the Democrats' health-care bill (which imposes incredible debt on our children) gives enormous power to the Obama bureaucrats to impose uniform, government-defined-benefits insurance, to decide how much we must pay or be hit with fines and penalties, and to determine what treatments and drugs are "effective" and will be permitted. This isn't America -- this is Marxist socialism.
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so basically they want to force health insurance on people, and force treatments on people?
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This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.
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I just want the free cab rides u get with the Health coupons :noel:
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I can go back to not using condoms and getting std's. Sounds like a plan to me
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so basically they want to force health insurance on people, and force treatments on people?
yes. if you do not have health insurance and you don't buy the govt plan they fine you.
and everyone's work will be fined if they don't provide insurance.
bye bye small business.
This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.
how is it not reality?
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"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"
That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
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its all spikers fault cuz he voted for him :P
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This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.
the fucktards in congress are going to pass this without a moments notice. its gonna be reality. welcome to soviet america
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prevenitive care. How thats defined....a 600 calorie meal at mcdonalds will probably have a 20 or 30% tax.
you people need to contact your senators and congressman via phone, email or letter and tell them this shit is insane.
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It's about time someone stopped you fucks from being fat. Now all we need to do is legalize marijuana.
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why stop at pot. why not make everything legal? ::)
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Sounds great. I'll write my congressman today.
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CIA can't launder big money if there's no black market guys.
I really think the amount of illicit money that is funneled into our economy is severely overlooked by people aiming to repeal prohibition.
Get rid of bullshit first, then embrace individual responsibility.
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this is fear-mongering.
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"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"
That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
they already do this.... do you live in a fantasy world?
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifn5cIQggxKMBZdAwWc0ej79EQLgD99NA4VO3 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifn5cIQggxKMBZdAwWc0ej79EQLgD99NA4VO3)
PORTLAND, Ore. — How much are politicians straining to convince people that the government is stimulating the economy? In Oregon, where lawmakers are spending $176 million to supplement the federal stimulus, Democrats are taking credit for a remarkable feat: creating 3,236 new jobs in the program's first three months.
But those jobs lasted on average only 35 hours, or about one work week. After that, those workers were effectively back unemployed, according to an Associated Press analysis of state spending and hiring data. By the state's accounting, a job is a job, whether it lasts three hours, three days, three months, or a lifetime.
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Tough love for fat people: Tax their food to pay for healthcare
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/07/tough-love-for-fatties-tax-their-food-pay-for-healthcare.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/07/tough-love-for-fatties-tax-their-food-pay-for-healthcare.html)
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CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml)
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This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.
the fucktards in congress are going to pass this without a moments notice. its gonna be reality. welcome to soviet america
Disclaimer: I'm not siding for or against this bill. I've been too fucking busy to read it. What I am against is any interpretation of a bill that is full blown psyco. Whether it be hard left, or right.
I know the bill is real. The lack of reality is in the interpretation. The line I quote is to provide medical services to those who can not physically obtain it them selves. No one is going to march platoons of medical soldiers down the street and assault you with fully automatic syringe launchers. I can't understand how some of you dream these crazy ideas. Are you this scared about everything?
Is the government fucked right now? Yep. Are they going to enslave us with medical care? Hell no.
YOU are the government. There is no THEY.
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http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03MzUxJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzIwJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT01 (http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03MzUxJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzIwJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT01)
Someone who read it.
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This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.
the fucktards in congress are going to pass this without a moments notice. its gonna be reality. welcome to soviet america
Disclaimer: I'm not siding for or against this bill. I've been too fucking busy to read it. What I am against is any interpretation of a bill that is full blown psyco. Whether it be hard left, or right.
I know the bill is real. The lack of reality is in the interpretation. The line I quote is to provide medical services to those who can not physically obtain it them selves. No one is going to march platoons of medical soldiers down the street and assault you with fully automatic syringe launchers. I can't understand how some of you dream these crazy ideas. Are you this scared about everything?
Is the government fucked right now? Yep. Are they going to enslave us with medical care? Hell no.
YOU are the government. There is no THEY.
keep your head in the sand.
they already have mandatory vaccinations. and if you don't do it you get a visit from child protection... take your kids, make it so they can't go to school, etc...
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"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"
That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering.
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Tough love for fat people: Tax their food to pay for healthcare
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/07/tough-love-for-fatties-tax-their-food-pay-for-healthcare.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/07/tough-love-for-fatties-tax-their-food-pay-for-healthcare.html)
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CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml)
prevenitive care. How thats defined....a 600 calorie meal at mcdonalds will probably have a 20 or 30% tax.
Thanks for proving my point, Johnny.
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Vaccines are the new communism. I have seen the error in my ways.
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Communism is the new black. Welcome to the club, boys.
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YOU are the government. There is no THEY.
lol, you're funny. :D
This is some bullshit though. I bet it'll pass though.
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in case yall thought it was over, theres more
cliff notes, only half of the bill FYI
HEALTH CARE BILL with specific page number concerns
Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of all employers that are self- insure.
Pg 30 Sec 123 There will be a committee that decides what treatments/benefits you can get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 specified health care rationed
Pg 42 The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You will no longer have a choice.
PG 50 health care will be provided to ALL non - US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58 Government employees will have real-time access to all individuals finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued (this may case more problems with identity theft).
Pg 59 lines 21-24 Government employees will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer (as specified)
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (such as ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under single payer (government) control.
PG 84 Sec 203 mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 Specific for Benefit Levels for Plans (could equal rationing)
PG 91 Lines 4-7 mandates linguistic appropriate services
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 groups such as ACORN & Americorps will sign up individuals for the Government plan
PG 85 Line 7 Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. (rationing)
PG 102 Lines 12-18 All Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid.
pg 124 lines 24-25 No company can sue the Government Plan for price fixing. No "judicial review" against the new mandated monopoly.
pg 127 Lines 1-16 Doctors - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll all employees into the public option plan.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care insurance for all part-time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of $400,000 and up who does not provide the public option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll. (Public Option is the Government Plan)
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251K and $400K who do not provide the public option will pay between 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who does not purchase an acceptable health insurance plan (per the Government's list requirements) will be taxed an additional 2.5% of income
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 all non-resident aliens are exempt from individual taxes.
Pg 195 Officers & employees of the Health Care Administration will have access to ALL American's financial and personal records
PG 203 Line 14-15 "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" (Yes, it says that)
Pg 239 Line 14-24 lists reduction in physician services for Medicaid (Seniors, low- income)
Pg 241 Line 6-8 Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 the Government sets the value of Doctor's time.
PG 265 Sec 1131 the Government mandates and controls productivity for private health insurance industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Government regulates rental and purchase of power - driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS (rationing)
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what the Government deems unnecessary and preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 if a Doctor treats a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission the Government will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment for doctors
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion - mandating that hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - mandates establishment of outcome- based measures
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 the Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Plans, HMOs, any private health insurance provider
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - restricting enrollment of Special needs people
Pg 379 Sec 1191 creates a new bureaucracy - the Telehealth Advisory Committee.
PG 425 Lines 4-12 mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation (end -of- life)
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 it is mandatory that the Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney.
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 the Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 mandates programs for orders on end of life.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultation" will be used frequently as the patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans.
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community- Based Home Medical Services. Non -profit organizations such as ACORN
Page 472 Lines 14-17 describes a monthly payment to community - based organizations such as ACORN
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover (regulate) Marriage & Family therapy.
Pg 494-498 Government will cover (regulate) Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing
cliff cliff notes
Summary of Summary
p.30 Committee will select treatment plan for you.
p.50 Illegals included, but [p.170] non resident aliens are exempt fro health tax
p. 95 Government selected groups will 'sign you up' [I read "Acorn"]
p. 124 No suits
p. 195 Gvt shall have access to all financial and personal info
p. 203 Hlth taxes shall be non-deductible
p. 239 Reduced service for Senors, low income
p. 253 & 298 Decimation of Doctors profession: Gvt sets fees and no premium for specialists
p. 317 Prohibits doctor's investment in medical field and prohibits hospital expansion [w/ unsavory exceptions]
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one thing that pissed me off is it says all people will get this coverage, but if you are a legal citizen and refuse to be covered you are subject to a tax. but if you are an illegal alien you are exempt from the tax.
PG 50 health care will be provided to ALL non - US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who does not purchase an acceptable health insurance plan (per the Government's list requirements) will be taxed an additional 2.5% of income
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 all non-resident aliens are exempt from individual taxes.
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WTF!!!!! this can't be for real. can i get a copy of this thing to read. or what?
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To be honest, I don't understand what all the fuss is about? Admittedly, not being American, I don't have a full picture of what you guys get in the way of state funded health care. It seems to me that unless you have private insurance, you get landed with a big fuck off bill if you go to hospital?
Over here, we have something called the NHS, or National Health Service. It's critically underfunded and seriously overstretched by illegal sandniggers hitching a ride through that fucking tunnel they built to garlic land.
Basically, in exhcnage for NI (National Insurance) payments (roughly equivalent to $80 a month), you get access to a local Doctor (who can also provide home visits), a dentist (which you probably can't visit, because their books are all clogged up with illegal immigrants that can't speak fucking Engrish, but have a legal right to be seen ahead of us cunts that actually pay) and any and all hospital treatment (apart from prescription drugs).
There's also a national vaccination programme in place for most stuff like MMR, Polio, Meningitis, Flu etc for anyone under the age of 16 or over the age of 65.
I can't see how your gubbermints proposed bill is any different to what we currently have and take for granted now, unless it's going to directly cost you more than most people are paying in exchange for private healthcare insurance?
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To be honest, I don't understand what all the fuss is about? Admittedly, not being American, I don't have a full picture of what you guys get in the way of state funded health care. It seems to me that unless you have private insurance, you get landed with a big fuck off bill if you go to hospital?
Over here, we have something called the NHS, or National Health Service. It's critically underfunded and seriously overstretched by illegal sandniggers hitching a ride through that fucking tunnel they built to garlic land.
Basically, in exhcnage for NI (National Insurance) payments (roughly equivalent to $80 a month), you get access to a local Doctor (who can also provide home visits), a dentist (which you probably can't visit, because their books are all clogged up with illegal immigrants that can't speak fucking Engrish, but have a legal right to be seen ahead of us cunts that actually pay) and any and all hospital treatment (apart from prescription drugs).
There's also a national vaccination programme in place for most stuff like MMR, Polio, Meningitis, Flu etc for anyone under the age of 16 or over the age of 65.
I can't see how your gubbermints proposed bill is any different to what we currently have and take for granted now, unless it's going to directly cost you more than most people are paying in exchange for private healthcare insurance?
you = :mexi:
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No, not the last time I looked anyway; unless your mom infected me the last time I was jamming a fist up her cooter.
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Simple this isnt another country and majority of people here have great health care. Even those who dont already get funded by state programs that work well.
if your a full time student at any California state university you have free health care. The notion they potray of kids dying everyday because they cant get an antibotic is a fuckin joke.
My brother had to get 20+ stitches on one of his fingers was drunk and eat shit jumping a fence. No health care and was unemployed. His billended being like 75 bucks the state eat the rest of the bill. The system is fine already and most people who dont have health care at their job their wife/husband does at theirs
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Well, hell, that's a different kettle of fish; I kinda got the impression that social healthcare didn't exist stateside, or at least wasn't anywhere near as comprehensive.
In that case, fuckit, why change it if it ain't broke? It's just an excuse to try and screw more money out of people because the cast of Jerry Springer bought houses they couldn't afford.
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Meh, I don't have health insurance, simple trip to the ER would've cost me $1850 if I hadn't fought tooth and nail over it.
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If americans were dropping like flies due to lack of basic health care the world would know. We treat illegals why would we not treat our own citizens. Thats why this is such a hard hitting issue that isnt sitting well.
Its not happening. Now of course if you dont have health insurance and are under a state program not surprising you will not get the best health care compared to the guy who is making 150k. Then again that kinda applies to everything. The guy who is well off eats better,fucks better puss and has a nicer house. Thats the whole point of trying to work harder so you can try to be at that level someday if you choose.
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Meh, I don't have health insurance, simple trip to the ER would've cost me $1850 if I hadn't fought tooth and nail over it.
Really in nazi california my brother all he had to do was fill out paper work and get it out within a week.
What was your bill after this fighting. Im assuming you went to court because if not that means you were on the phone a handful of times and had to fill out paperwork which sounds like what most people deal with. Its called dealing with a Hospital
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This bill isn't about healthcare. It's about controlling people. End of issue.
If they really wanted to try to fix cost problems with our health care system we could stop treating illegal aliens. We pay for that shit
We could crack down on medical insurance fraud.
We could stop the thieving trial lawyers with malpractice law suits. Lawyers are mostly bloodsucking thieves taking their cuts and not giving a fuck.
But the healthcare bill doesn't talk about any of that does it?
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I would not mind one bit, and may even smile, if Nancy Pelosi died in the next 24 hours
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This bill isn't about healthcare. It's about controlling people. End of issue.
If they really wanted to try to fix cost problems with our health care system we could stop treating illegal aliens. We pay for that shit
We could crack down on medical insurance fraud.
We could stop the thieving trial lawyers with malpractice law suits. Lawyers are mostly bloodsucking thieves taking their cuts and not giving a fuck.
But the healthcare bill doesn't talk about any of that does it?
California passed prop 187 back in the 90's not allowing healthcare to illegal aliens. It passed fairly easy but guess what it was reversed
Whoever said we are the government is retarded. Californians dont support the looney laws passed here. We did just shoot down gay marriage but the courts are trying to reverse that too, California is a diverse state that doesnt want the bullshit we are handed.
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Why we will have National Health Care by the End of Obama's Term
1. Decent health insurance for 1 person is roughly $400-600 a month.
2. National health care is now a part of being a first world country. There aren't too many first world countries without it at this point. We have to fit in or the world will explode.
3. Although the hospital/state will pick up bills for getting shot or cutting your finger because they know their rates are ridiculous for such procedures, the same cannot be said for someone getting diagnosed with cancer and has to have surgery, chemo, radiation, and go on a slew of other drugs. It may not cost the $200k they will bill it, but it will cost more than the state/hospital can simply write off.
4. We have a democratic president and Senate majority. Current Democrats firmly believe they know best for you and thusly will make sure you're taken care of the way they think you should be.
5. It will really piss off Random-Strike.
6. Politicians LOVE getting donations and medical companies have lots of money.
7. Government run agencies=efficiency!
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WTF!!!!! this can't be for real. can i get a copy of this thing to read. or what?
http://www.homemadeturbo.net/5thgen/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf (http://www.homemadeturbo.net/5thgen/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf)
all 1019 pages
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"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"
That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering.
Not sure what you mean, Gardasil is optional.
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"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"
That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering.
Not sure what you mean, Gardasil is optional.
Did you miss that whole thing where the Gov. of Texas was trying to make it manditory, despite the fact that its never been properly tested on anyone under the age of 21?
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7. Government run agencies=efficiency!
Wait!
What?
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Im assuming that was a joke.
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Im assuming that was a joke.
jseus.. I hope so.
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Genocide on Mexicans and the bombing and destroying of Mexico would honestly fix everything.
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you wanted a monkey in the white house you got one losers
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you wanted a monkey in the white house you got one losers
DOMINO YOU HIV POSITIVE ASS NIGGAS
Andre Nickatina - Smoke Dope And Rap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2rh4raGj0#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
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"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"
That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering.
Not sure what you mean, Gardasil is optional.
Did you miss that whole thing where the Gov. of Texas was trying to make it manditory, despite the fact that its never been properly tested on anyone under the age of 21?
Yup, missed that completely.
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Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of all employers that are self- insure.
conducting a study =/= auditing the books of.
Pg 42 The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You will no longer have a choice.
the word benefits is mentioned nowhere on page 42. what document were you looking at?
PG 50 health care will be provided to ALL non - US citizens, illegal or otherwise
fail again. it's about not discriminating against people for genetic defects, and it clearly states that it does not supersede any state regulations regarding discrimination. it says nothing about immigrants, period. again, what document are you reading?
Pg 58 Government employees will have real-time access to all individuals finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued (this may case more problems with identity theft).
LOL! we ARE reading the same document! one of us is just taking a lot more liberty in what we think it says.
what it REALLY says is that gub'ment employees will have real-time access to YOUR FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY on a case by case basis. they do NOT have access to your finances. i'll say it again so the slow learners can understand: THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR FINANCES!!!!!!
Pg 59 lines 21-24 Government employees will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer (as specified)
this is no different that my electronic funds transfer for my student loans. whoopdy shit. if you prefer to pay by check, you can. electronic funds transfer IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. the only REQUIRED electronic portion is the ability to sign people up.
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (such as ACORN).
it's to assist participating employers in helping cover retirees and their families so the employers don't have to shoulder the burden themselves and become financially insolvent *coughGMcough*.
PG 84 Sec 203 mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange
no, it doesn't. you (or whomever interpreted this for you) missed the words "EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING." it mandates benefits for those participating. it DOES NOT MANDATE PARTICIPATION.
PG 85 Line 7 Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. (rationing)
remember, you can buy your insurance elsewhere if you don't like these benefits. this DOES NOT specify benefit levels for non-participating private insurance companies.
pg 127 Lines 1-16 Doctors - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.
no, the secretary will establish rates using rates paid for comparable services under medicare, with participating physicians making ~5% more for being 'preferred' providers. this does not dictate what private insurers pay doctors, it sets a payment schedule for participating doctors through negotiation and using current, comparable rates.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care insurance for all part-time employees AND their families.
there is nothing of this sort on page 126. sorry.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 all non-resident aliens are exempt from individual taxes.
this one isn't particularly fair, i'll grant that. but it doesn't mean that aliens don't have to pay taxes, it means the tax penalty for not having insurance does not apply to them. sucks, but it's not a "get out of paying taxes free" card.
Pg 195 Officers & employees of the Health Care Administration will have access to ALL American's financial and personal records
NO NO NO NO NO. jesus christ NO. they will have access to certain parts of your tax information as it pertains to affordability credits, and is LIMITED TO (says so, in plain english, right in the bill):
tax ID
filing status
modified adjusted gross income
number of dependents
taxable year
this is information that the government already has. THEY ARE NOT GETTING ANY NEW INFORMATION ABOUT YOU IF YOU CHOOSE THE PUBLIC OPTION.
seriously, WHO read the bill and farted out this BULLSHIT interpretation of it?
really, i could go on, but i'm tired, and
no it doesn't, read the bill
is a sufficient answer to each instance listed beyond what i've noted.
cliff's notes: the sky is not falling, chicken little. seriously, let go of rush's teat.
both sides are fucked up. i'm not going to pretend that democrats wouldn't be pulling the same bullshit if the tables were turned.
it's the rampant hypocrisy that i can't stand.
rush/hannity/beck/levin/lewis/etc want the government to stay out of the lives of the citizens... except when we're talking about gay marriage. then they want the government to tell people how to live their lives.
when people protested bush's plan to invade iraq (echoing the opinion of the majority of planet earth), they were "unamerican" and "traitors" and "crazy liberals," but when these same guys incite people to go disrupt town hall meetings and scream in their elected officials' faces and spread misinformation by quoting the very "talking points" that they claim to dispise from the left, it's "patriotic." a "talking point" doesn't magically turn into a fact just because you're a conservative.
the only thing sadder are the people who actually BRING a paper copy of the bill to a town hall meeting and yell about these talking points, proving that they haven't even READ the thing they're holding in their hands, yet feel obligated to inform the people who WROTE it of what it says.
i mean, really? nobody sees how ridiculous that is?
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there are several different bills. all disasters.
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there are several different bills. all disasters.
Fascinating. Such insight. Amazing, really.
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Also,
http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=4629.0 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=4629.0)
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kgx is a faggot sheeple
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Its spikers fault, he voted for that nigger. SPIKEr YOU niGGER LOVER, JESUS cHrist i could never fuck a black gititch, they probably have some super dark ABYss of death, dark hole black matter dark as fuckshit pussy.
And fuck firecrotches, with their orange hair pale skin frekly nipple abnormality having asses, theyre mistakes and a disease as much as the gays are (aka skinnycockWideassHoleBody and fagojon(who i also banged his girlfriend and his dog ate her poonanaer after i slabbed some peanut butter on that shit sn and ehand thta bitch loved it adnd moaned like a cow bein proded with a exlectric proding pole)) MOOOO BITHCH MOOOO
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kgx is a faggot sheeple that can actually READ, instead of just copy/paste what he's read on the EIB network without actually confirming any of it.
fixed.
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:?:
seriously... why do you fuckers turn into babbling idiots when you drink?
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I'm glad we can all discuss this intelligently.
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I'm glad we can all discuss this intelligently.
johnny's covering the bill on this one, isn't he?
case closed
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html)
Woman gives birth on pavement 'after being refused ambulance'
A young mother gave birth on a pavement outside a hospital after she was told to make her own way there.
They said they were not sending an ambulance and told me I had had nine months to sort out a lift.'
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http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=1878506&sponsor (http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=1878506&sponsor)
Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver, leaked paper reveals
Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.
“This hasn’t been announced by the health authority … but these cuts are coming,†Dix said, citing figures gleaned from a leaked executive summary of “proposed VCH surgical reductions.â€
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207444/Public-school-teacher-facing-jail-having-lesbian-affair-pupil.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207444/Public-school-teacher-facing-jail-having-lesbian-affair-pupil.html)
That's some healthcare. :noel:
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html)
Woman gives birth on pavement 'after being refused ambulance'
A young mother gave birth on a pavement outside a hospital after she was told to make her own way there.
They said they were not sending an ambulance and told me I had had nine months to sort out a lift.'
Maybe she will plan ahead next time. Or get off her ass and walk the 100m (a little more than 100yards) to the hospital when she goes into labor instead of sitting around.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html)
Woman gives birth on pavement 'after being refused ambulance'
A young mother gave birth on a pavement outside a hospital after she was told to make her own way there.
They said they were not sending an ambulance and told me I had had nine months to sort out a lift.'
Maybe she will plan ahead next time. Or get off her ass and walk the 100m (a little more than 100yards) to the hospital when she goes into labor instead of sitting around.
excellent ::)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html)
Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out'
Paul Gearing, deputy general manager for general surgery at Great Western Hospital NHS Trust, said: 'We are unable to comment on individual cases.
'However, we would like to apologise if Mr Wattson felt dissatisfied with the care he received at Great Western Hospital.'
;D
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html)
Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out'
The first two replies at the end of the article had me rolling.
Quit complaining....... it was 'FREE'!!!
- Joe, Los Angeles, USA, 26/8/2009 11:44
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Mistakes will always happen in a third world country.
- john, malaga spain, 26/8/2009 11:38
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lol that is pretty funny
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospital-corridors-Bed-shortage-forces-4-000-mothers-birth-lifts-offices-hospital-toilets.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospital-corridors-Bed-shortage-forces-4-000-mothers-birth-lifts-offices-hospital-toilets.html)
The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets
Thousands of women are having to give birth outside maternity wards because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds.
The lives of mothers and babies are being put at risk as births in locations ranging from lifts to toilets - even a caravan - went up 15 per cent last year to almost 4,000.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html)
'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed
The charity has disclosed a horrifying catalogue of elderly people left in pain, in soiled bed clothes, denied adequate food and drink, and suffering from repeatedly cancelled operations, missed diagnoses and dismissive staff.