:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: weirtech on September 03, 2009, 10:04:06 AM
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i don't ask questions, i just do what the customer wants. this is a new renesis rx8 rotory going into a mk1 mr2 with a 3sgte tranny. biggest issue for him to figure out will be the axle so it doesn't interfere with the exhaust.
flywheel adapter:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff161%2Fweirtech%2FFab%2520for%2520Toyota%2FDSCN0195.jpg&hash=8b98e4383673a7511b9fbc7f285fb8301542c6d2)
clutch mounted:
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adapter bolts to tranny first:
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all assembled:
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Interesting setup, nice work!
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blasphemy
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Should have convinced him to go with a 13b... Shame on you!
RX-8 motors are 13b's but with side ports and 3-stage intakes. Since they are side ported the apex seals will last longer and no contamination of the intake charge with exhaust and having some unburned fuel going straight out the exhaust.
BTW That is why Mazda calls them 13B REW. Which is weird because they are now classified as 2.6l and not 1.3l b/c they count both rotor displacements instead of a single rotor chamber.
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Should have convinced him to go with a 13b... Shame on you!
having some unburned fuel going straight out the exhaust.
no cool rotary flames out the back :'(
nice work on the setup looks stout
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seems like a goofy set up but what ever floats your boat
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cool swap i havent seen before. to bad i gave up on my rotary kinda miss it but then again i dont. how much did the custom machining run him if you dont mind me asking.
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wish i had the capability to make something like that
you should make a kit for this, you know kind of like the rwd crx idea...
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Dude your work always impresses me. Nice job.
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Dude your work always impresses me. Nice job.
+1 :yes:
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Pretty damn sweet!
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I agree with customer says is always right, I dont even bother trying to talk to people about what I would do anymore over the phone.
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Nice work as always Aaron.
I always assume MR2 owners have no clue what they are doing, so just nod and go on.
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I always assume MR2 owners have no clue what they are doing, so just nod and go on.
for the SW20 guys, you're 100% right.
the AW11 guys are a bit more inventive. i wouldn't put it past whoever is doing this to get it done and screaming.
there's a guy swapping a mazdaspeed3 engine into an AW11 and he's made quite a bit of progress..
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should haul decent ass. makes me wonder if one would fit in a spyder :D
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Not trying to jack Aaron's thread, but I recall a guy a while back dropping a 4g63 into an AW11. Now that sounds...dangerous actually. :?:
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i do remember seeing pics of the 4G63 powered car. there was also bill's n* that was never roadworthy.
there are a couple of SW20 guys with some nuts though.. one guy put an audi V8 in longitudinally. another is doing a n* swap transversely.
anyway, i wonder if we'll ever see pics of this swap farther along than just bolted together.
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i don't but some of my customers do. he's supposed to be bringing the car down so i can do the mounts for it.
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surprise surprise, its awesome. You're getting too predictable. Make something shitty that sucks.
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i do remember seeing pics of the 4G63 powered car. there was also bill's n* that was never roadworthy.
Bill is a super-asshole on the interwebs, but awesome to talk to IRL. Clever guy, doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks, just does shit for the hell of it.
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this is sick.
ive been wanting to make some wheel adapters like that flywheel adapter to fit different lug patterns.
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i wish a D2B flywheel adapter was that easy. i have one almost in the works. probably going to need a custom flywheel rather than just an adapter
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B tranny on a high HP D. aiming for 8's
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buy a kit idiot.
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nice work as always
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buy a kit idiot.
you find a D2B kit and i will buy it. there is only one in existence that i know of. thats why i plan to make one
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well someone was talking about coming out with one, bisi moto maybe?
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well someone was talking about coming out with one, bisi moto maybe?
I'm thinking about doing an H/F to a D Tranny since I have 2x H motors and 2 d tranneys laying around. ;D
I have a machine shop at my disposal. ;D
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Did you do the flywheel adaptor first and then find the bolt hole location after the input shaft centralised it? Im about to do one with a mate for 2JZ up to R32 GTR AWD. great work once again.
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Don't the RB26's have the front diff mounted right onto the pan with a axle running right through it? Are you going to swap all that stuff over onto the JZ's pan or are you going to ditch the AWD stuff and just run it RWD?
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Dude your work always impresses me. Nice job.
I concur! Looks good dude!
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Don't the RB26's have the front diff mounted right onto the pan with a axle running right through it? Are you going to swap all that stuff over onto the JZ's pan or are you going to ditch the AWD stuff and just run it RWD?
Yep front diff is part of the oil pan, will be doing a pan adaptor also to keep the AWD. Had it all on the bench today and it doesnt look too bad.
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Did you do the flywheel adaptor first and then find the bolt hole location after the input shaft centralised it? Im about to do one with a mate for 2JZ up to R32 GTR AWD. great work once again.
i drew up the flywheel/crank adapter first. then i took some measurements and figured out how thick the block/tranny adapter had to be. the rotories have that weird big nut on the crank that is behind the counterbalance. that is why the fw adapter had to be so thick. the fw adapter was removed to measure the engine side of the tranny adapter.
i drew them up in two stages, just off measurements from each pattern, then overlayed them and lined up the center of the crank with the input shaft and rotated the two patterns together until i ended up with something that was realatively straight and without any bolt holes interfering.
it would be really difficult to do this sorta thing without drawing it up in cad.
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damn impressive work
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PM me what you would charge for this specific adapter.
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Nice work.
The genesis engine is actually called the 13b-msp (multi side port). I stock form the push about 238hp which is a fair bit in that light of a car. My roommate is dropping a v6 into his first gen mr2 right now which is good for about the same horsepower, he's expecting to be able to run at least mid 12's NA.
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Blah, blah, blah... My next post will be my intro thread.
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Nice work.
The genesis engine is actually called the 13b-msp (multi side port). I stock form the push about 238hp which is a fair bit in that light of a car. My roommate is dropping a v6 into his first gen mr2 right now which is good for about the same horsepower, he's expecting to be able to run at least mid 12's NA.
Sir, tell your friend his expectations are set too high. The mk1 isnt light enough to run mid 12s n/a. They weigh more than a 4door civic, and the v6 makes it heavier. Even gutted and swiss cheesed he aint running no mid 12. More like a mid 13 if he's a good driver, and has his worn out 20+ year old suspension in good order.
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hmm yea they really make 238hp lol
thats why mazda did that huge recall cause they made 100hp less than they said :-*
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Sir, tell your friend his expectations are set too high. The mk1 isnt light enough to run mid 12s n/a. They weigh more than a 4door civic, and the v6 makes it heavier. Even gutted and swiss cheesed he aint running no mid 12. More like a mid 13 if he's a good driver, and has his worn out 20+ year old suspension in good order.
An accord, which is heavier than any civic, ran mid 12's with 270whp NA. Full interior.
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hmm yea they really make 238hp lol
thats why mazda did that huge recall cause they made 100hp less than they said :-*
Yeah, but was the recall have something to do with 3 stage intake not working correctly?
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i have no idea i just know they recalled them because they are piles of junk 8)
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hmm yea they really make 238hp lol
thats why mazda did that huge recall cause they made 100hp less than they said :-*
And the fact that most dont last to the 30k mark without gettting replaced.
At least they dont have "transmission replacement" as a maintenance item in the owners manual, lol.
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he shoulda put a v6 in it
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god damnit
The reason why Mazda did the recall was because in 1989 the decided to switch from mechanical metering pump to electronic.
in the rx8 they tried to inject as little oil as possible, and that wore down the apex seals more than usual. they gacve you a new engine and reflashed your ecu for free.
also, they make anywhere between 200 to 280 rw hp. just depends on things. ive seen microteched ones run 280 whp over at downing.
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rotaries are homo.
aaron now that your feet are wet in adapterville make a d to b adapter for b trannies on d series motors.
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Sir, tell your friend his expectations are set too high. The mk1 isnt light enough to run mid 12s n/a. They weigh more than a 4door civic, and the v6 makes it heavier. Even gutted and swiss cheesed he aint running no mid 12. More like a mid 13 if he's a good driver, and has his worn out 20+ year old suspension in good order.
Car weighs in at about 2100, very low drag coefficient and the all aluminium v6 weighs less then the iron block 4cyl ... although the trans he's using is a tank. It's a pure track car and he should be able to hit sub 2000lbs with driver. I think mid 13's are more likely but with everything dialed in and traction it does have the right power to weight to hit 12's.
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Sir, tell your friend his expectations are set too high. The mk1 isnt light enough to run mid 12s n/a. They weigh more than a 4door civic, and the v6 makes it heavier. Even gutted and swiss cheesed he aint running no mid 12. More like a mid 13 if he's a good driver, and has his worn out 20+ year old suspension in good order.
Car weighs in at about 2100, very low drag coefficient and the all aluminium v6 weighs less then the iron block 4cyl ... although the trans he's using is a tank. It's a pure track car and he should be able to hit sub 2000lbs with driver. I think mid 13's are more likely but with everything dialed in and traction it does have the right power to weight to hit 12's.
The gearing in the toyota trannies is next to awful. That would be his downfall there. I still dont see even the aluminum v6 putting enough power to the ground n/a to hit those numbers.
Also, where the fuck is your noob post?
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rotaries are homo.
aaron now that your feet are wet in adapterville make a d to b adapter for b trannies on d series motors.
i think the big problem is that the adapter for the flywheel to work properly would only work with 4 bolts in each pattern because the holes are so close together. i'll have to look at it when i get a chance. other than that, i can't see why it wouldn't work.
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ya i need a h22 to a cg trans adapter 86-89 teg trans, for my 86 crx, the trans is super strong, has a b16 obx lsd and was rebuilt, and i dont want a h trans :-X
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On the d - b subject, there is rumor out there right now, that you don't need an adapter, just a welder and a little ingenuity.
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^^^^^^^^
custom flywheel is the only way. i have looked at it from every angle possible.
you could have a 3" thick flywheel adapter and make it work, but who really has 3" to spare in their engine bay?
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it would work out ok, but everyone is gona have to have custom axles.
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Some times even honda tech comes up with something worth wile... http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2628657 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2628657)
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Some times even honda tech comes up with something worth wile... http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2628657 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2628657)
looks like its easier to machine a stock d flywheel to what you need instead of order a special b spline, d puck disc. too much work for not enough reward. you have to be hardcore d (and cheap) to do this as opposed to aftermarket gear changes.
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depends on which toyota v6 it is also.
there are a handful of the > 270hp 2GR-FE v6 swaps out there now that there are some alright writeups on them.
with any v6 (minus a 2L or 2.5L) you've got more torque IDLING than a 4a-ge / 4a-gze has peak, you have more horsepower at 4000rpm than it makes peak.
the weight is negligible depending on who's doing the swap VS a 3s-gte swap.
12s is stretching what most of the toy v6's can do unless its a newer hipo engine. 13's are not