:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: reddevil on September 26, 2009, 04:22:38 AM
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IF I had a high revving engine? Easy low 12's/high 11's. It was ALWAYS (well, for 3rd and 4th) at about 5250/5500 rpm when the wagon would REALLY move. But I shift at 6500 or sooner...
Anyway....
got 5-6 runs in....
13.6 @ 104.26 w/ 2.009 60'
13.4 @ 104.89 w/1.993 60'
Turned the boost up 1 psi
13.5 @ 106 w/ 2.082 60'
13.7 @ 106 w/ 2.2 60' bleah
13.9 @ 107 w/ 2.?? 60'
and finally the last run of the night....
60' 1.946
1/8 8.381
mph 86.15
1/4 12.994
mph 107.38
STOKED!!!!!!!!!
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Nice. In for pics of the set up though.
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Were you bogging out of the hole? Then upped the revs on the last run?
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Your 60ft is shit ??? were you bogging or wheel spin? Why only to 6500rpm?
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The clutch (I think..) was skipping on launch. Either that or wheel hop.
My stock revlimit is 6750ish....
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The clutch (I think..) was skipping on launch. Either that or wheel hop.
My stock revlimit is 6750ish....
Oh ok so you still piggy back off the standard ecu. have you thought about using an early wrx or sti(93-96) ECU then you have the rev limit at 7600rpm. Im dont no what there worth over there but there worth not much over here.
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more pics and vids
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Vids!
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Lost a piston today, so the only vids I can make is of broken ringland.....
Better pistons going in. Mahle suck.
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damn, that sucks. This thing ain't too reliable is it. In for carnage pics.
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It was totally reliable. I, me, myself, was a bad tuner most likely.
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It was totally reliable. I, me, myself, was a bad tuner most likely.
lol. what are you using to pick up knock when tuning?
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Shittiest looking car of the bunch. l like it. How did you manage to blow a piston ?
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I have a plx R-500 which has a knock sensor input built in. But I was running a 1 wire knock sensor versus the 2 wire needed.
I blew most likely due to agressive timing.
Rebuilding with WISECO pistons, hopefully higher compression so i won't have to go to such high boost levels for the same power. And spool quicker. And have some torque down low....
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low comp=less volotile motor... It don't matter how strong pistons are abnormal combustion will break stuff...
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low compression for the win. look at all the vitara pistons in the d's running 7.X:1 compression.
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high compression is overrated. Low comp is where it's at. Just for shits and giggles, if you had 4000:1 compression and enough octane, you could achieve about 97% adiabatic efficiency. In which case almost no energy would be going out the exhaust or cooling system, and you could never spool a turbo. Now consider the opposite, anitlag...
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As for compression....
Subarus suck, plain and simple, at low comp. They don't spool woth shit, nor run for shit, at low compression... FOR ME. They can make great power though, but for putt putting, I am not happy.
That aside, I busted #2 and #4. Replacing with Wiseco and thinner head gaskets to bring the compreesion ratio up hopefully to about 8.5 -8.7 from 8.2-8.4....
Maybe driving this weedend?
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Running again.
Turns out I cracked ALL FOUR pistons!
Using Wiseco this time.
Runs well so far.
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Dude how many pistons have you gone through? It seems like every other thread is "replaced pistons" followed by "oh wait, there was more broken ones"
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Sounds like you needed a little more compression, now go add some timing in too
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Yeah I break em. ;D
But now I finally have some I really am going to have to TRY to break!
I installed some new heads with oversized valves on this build. Now my old tune is LEAN! I am guessing they flow alot better and so am adding in more fuel to bring the AFRs down. What was 11.5-1 is now 13.5-1 at the same tune....
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Dude how many pistons have you gone through? It seems like every other thread is "replaced pistons" followed by "oh wait, there was more broken ones"
I'm with you on this. Is it a tuning thing? or what up with that?
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I didn't think it was that hard to tune a suby to run 12s
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I didn't think it was that hard to tune a suby to run 12s
when it's running the platform/chassis he is, it is
Its not hard to run 12's with that chassis, its very similar to the 93-96 WRX. I was running a 12.8 in my 1995 wrx wagon and all my parts were factory (cast pistons) apart from the front mount.
You should definatly change ecu's for a better red line. Is this engine hi comp? I dont think it will make fuck all differance in spool, its the stupid long exhaust manifold.
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Ehhhhh
got issues.
Not sure what....
Old tune > new motor, but new motor< running right on boost. >:(
Fingers crossed on mechanical/vac lines.
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You shouldn't crack ringlands on a forged piston, the only time I've seen that the ring end gap wasn't correct. Mahle's a good piston, total WTF moment here.
If you were closer I'd offer to do all the wiring to upgrade you to an early WRX ECU, those things are one of the nicest things about those cars. Awesome piece of hardware.
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All 4 pistons? One would be acceptable... shit happens. Two would be a pretty strange. Three would be a hell of a coincidence. But 4? Madness.
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All 4 pistons? One would be acceptable... shit happens. Two would be a pretty strange. Three would be a hell of a coincidence. But 4? Madness.
On a forged piston, should NOT happen. That's like a forged rod breaking across the beam.
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All 4 pistons? One would be acceptable... shit happens. Two would be a pretty strange. Three would be a hell of a coincidence. But 4? Madness.
On a forged piston, should NOT happen. That's like a forged rod breaking across the beam.
where in this thread dose it say he broke forged pistons ???
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I broke Mahle Powerpak pistons.
They are not the 2018 (or whatever) aluminum, instead they are the 4XXX aluminum. Less exspansion, closer to stock.... But I have busted 4 sets of them so far (two on the original reddevil and two on this wagon.
Something is not right with this current build. timing is 18 BFDC and fueling is 11-1 and still getting detonation. I can hear it in the headphones. The power is "dirty" It pulls but isn't clean. If I turn it down to wastegate, then its fine. But over 14-15 psi, I get knock.
Of course I still have not had ALOT of time to figure out any demons.
And of course, this build may just not work out. The pistons are much more recessed into the block than they should be, but I used STI head gaskets to bring the head in closer. Compression is still 8.4 -1 which is probablly higher than I have ever run any of my turbo motors on.
Eh give it time. I will either blow it up or figure it out.
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Eh give it time. I will either blow it up or figure it out.
Such is life.
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Sounds like too much advance is part of the problem. Do you have an intercooler? What's your intake temps more or less when in boost?
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I have a BAIC (big ass intercooler). Inlet temps were 110f in 90 degree weather. Now that its 50 depgrees out, the inlet temps have to be less!
I am going to throw some TORCO in and see what happens. Had the AFR down to 10-1 and still knock. >:(
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Torco = ick. Or the 110, anyway.
It might be an ignition break up. Audible knock = pitted pistons in my experience.
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Holding off on the TORCO, its pretty old!
Buying a new timing belt. The old one may have stretched and one cam gear is off "half" a tooth.
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Yeah, Torco is out of business. I expect anything lingering of theirs is old.
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how about you post up a screenshot of fuel and timing tables, and get assistance? it's like welfare only johnny pays for this too
And ignore anything coming from this gentleman's mouth, he's an idiot.
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how about you post up a screenshot of fuel and timing tables, and get assistance? it's like welfare only johnny pays for this too
And ignore anything coming from this gentleman's mouth, he's an idiot.
+50
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HA,
My fucking alternator just shit its pants 100%. Wagon just started dying while idling.... Looked at the amps and they stayed STEADY when gas was given @ 12.6...... While driving just would miss and miss and miss......
Swapping it out tomorrow.
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That'll do it, sir.
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NOT the alternator...
NOT the battery....
Something, somewhere is causing the ECU to only get LESS than the voltage it needs. At the battery voltage flucuates from 12.8-13.4 like it should.... Ecu it flucuates from 12.8 -11.8!
Now I need to crawl into the wiring and double check grounds and input.... And its cold and raining and the garage is full of shit.
However, I did clean the heck out of the power leads on the battery and that helps "some". Now it doesnt just shut off and herk and jerk..... I am also going to replace the battery terminal that is aluminum with a real lead one.
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The wiring for the older legacys is a BITCH when you need to check the ignition! So I didn't even try.
I did get some better grounding, double check other wiring yad ayad yada but am still stuck with LESS than optimal voltage to the ECU.
But looking at it and thinking about it...... WHAT causes me to originally be optinal fueling and now LEAN? Same MAF signal, same boost level, just leaner?
The fucking AFR is all over the place, up and down! Can't even make it just go dead rich (well I probablly could but that would be RIIIIIIICCCCCH).
So I replace some hard lines that were crimped from injectors 2 and 4 TO 1 and 3....
Gonna replace fuel filter... Bet its wasted money...
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The wiring for the older legacys is a BITCH when you need to check the ignition! So I didn't even try.
I did get some better grounding, double check other wiring yad ayad yada but am still stuck with LESS than optimal voltage to the ECU.
But looking at it and thinking about it...... WHAT causes me to originally be optinal fueling and now LEAN? Same MAF signal, same boost level, just leaner?
The fucking AFR is all over the place, up and down! Can't even make it just go dead rich (well I probablly could but that would be RIIIIIIICCCCCH).
So I replace some hard lines that were crimped from injectors 2 and 4 TO 1 and 3....
Gonna replace fuel filter... Bet its wasted money...
Exhaust leak pre-sensor. If its lean even out of boost its always a vacuum leak or exhaust leak.
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DING DING DING! We have a winner!
What you are most likely seeing is a voltage drop due to wire loss. When a high amount of current flows through a small gauge wire the resistance of that wire will cause voltage to drop across that wire connection.
A long long long time ago, before I turboed this car, I had fubarred some injector wiring. So I had installed a circuit breaker in place of the 30amp slow blow fuse for the injectors as I kept blowing the damn fuse. I needed to install the circuit breaker to keep the car drivable until I figured out the issue. However, as time went by, this fuse became OUT OF SIGHT = OUT OF MIND. So over time the wiring (multiple strand) had started to fail. I had since fixed the injector wiring issue but had not replaced the slow blow fuse.
I replaced the circuit breaker with a real fuse and PRESTO, full voltage to ECU.
Also, I am sure this is why the wagon was running like crap with higher boost levels, the injectors just were not getting enough juice!
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Excellent. Now go break some pistons and trans yo.
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Excellent. Now go break some pistons and trans yo.
Fuck that. Break some 1/4 mile records. :noel:
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Was still having some irritating miss...... So I went to regap the plugs but also decided to replace the plug wires.
First plug wire I pull off I compare to the new plug wires....
WTF? I though I had male ended plug wires like the ones I bought? I look down into the boot on the coil end and WAY WAY WAY back is the metal clip part. So #1 cylinder has been getting all its juice for god knows how long by ARCING close to an inch!
So I replaced all the plug wires, didnt touch the plugs and BINGO, we have a hard pulling weiner.
I hope not to touch the engine bay for at least a few days! ;D
Of course its raining so no PIR tonight. >:(
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Nicely done... go have some fun in that thing ;D
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BINGO, we have a hard pulling weiner.
Good to hear, i was starting to get sad reading this thread.
nija edit.. haha Wiener
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I hope you're not using old gas. It literally has a shelf life of 2 weeks, especially if it's an ethanol blend. I've had small engines not even pop on month old gas, then fire up with vengence with a simple switch to fresh gas.
The other thing, if this persists after the "fix", it may be that combustion chaimber setup. If you have too big of a gap in that quench area, it can artificially lower octane - opposite of what it normally does. Given the fact you probably get extra oil seepage by the exhaust side due to the sideways bores, as well as very wide pistons, it's complicated. Oil one reason CP pistons used to burn up (before they started removing material next to valve reliefs).
With your luck, your crank will now flex and eat your bearings. That seems to be the bane to those engines due to compactness. Oil pump my ass - there is no distance, so no crank support, between journals. 15mm per cylinder would have added less than 2 inches to the motor, and allowed for even wider pistons.
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With your luck, your crank will now flex and eat your bearings. That seems to be the bane to those engines due to compactness. Oil pump my ass - there is no distance, so no crank support, between journals. 15mm per cylinder would have added less than 2 inches to the motor, and allowed for even wider pistons.
Uh, big bore is the main problem with the 2.5's. You know those things break ringlands stock? Subaru punched them out for displacement to try and keep up with the Evo, and now can't stick a forging in there for cold startup emissions reasons.
Those motors need a good set of forgings and they'd be a lot better for the 300-400 whp crowd.
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Knock on wood.....
Running great.
Taking it out to the track Saturday. Rain, rain, STAY AWAY!
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So I have a 2.5" downpipe into a 3" exhaust, no cat (well cat is there, just no "cat" And Swear To God it truly fell out by itself, questioning the integrity of the exhuast shop....) into a 2.5" muffler.....
I have owned a few 3" mufflers for a few years attached to 3" exhaust systems (basically downpipe back) but never had the time to mess with them.
Well today, I messed with it.
I grabbed the 3" APEXI muffler and exhaust, lined it up with the existing and made some SHARPIE markings. A few hours later, it was all welded up and ready to run.....
ITS SO FUCKING LOUD!!!! :devil::sadbanana::ritz::disco::banana::taco::furious::eek::rolleyes: I really am not sure what to do....
But I took it for a test drive anyway....
Wow, did I say loud?
So I got to a section of closed roadway in a school zone and got into 4th gear......
OK, I am running a 20psi max boost gauge...., so I have no idea what I am truyly runnning...
Previously I was hitting about what I think was 22psi max.......Fuel pressure was hitting 57 psi....
New 4th gear run? Fuel pressure hit 68 psi!!!!
My fuel pressure rising rate has been VERY consistant with boost levels, so I am pretty damn sure that the boost DID increase 10psi, to 30-32 psi for that run.... :eek:
I pulled over and turned the MBC DOWN!!!!!
Wagon is FASTAR than before, even for same boost levels because it hits peek boost earlier.
Hitting the track this weekend! :banana:
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In for some numbers and ideas for my twincharge setup in the works. :yes:
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Took the family wagon out to the strip (PIR) one last time as it is the end of the season here in Oregon.
Only got one 12.998, but trapped a 110.26!
Was having a hard time hooking up in first.
Had some good power though, was 84 mph in the 1/8th and 109/110 in the 1/4, so I was picking up 25mph in the top end.
Two best runs....
60' 1.917 2.018
330' 5.519 5.644
1/8th 8.441 8.558
mph 84.70 84.92
1/4 12.998 13.092
mph 109.44 110.26
Do not know what boost levels I was running, as the boost gauge stops at 20.... Maybe 25ish?
I was running 4 -1 pump93 to E85.
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you need to work on that 60ft and you will have a mid 12. good work, now go break some more gear sets. ;)
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So hows that ebay turbo?
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So hows that ebay turbo?
It fucking rips. at least for $200 shipped, it fucking rips!
The wagon actually feels faster on the street than on the strip, but I am sure that is for EVERY CAR OUT THERE! ;D
Been running the turbo since march?
No shaft play, no leaking oil...
Possibly stuck at a XX psi. Not sure what XX is since my Harbour Freight boost gauge stops at 20psi. (but if you are not boosting higher than 20, this guage is awesome for $19.99!)
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nice to see the ching chong running strong.
Im just gay and reek of fail due to the fact I cant post an intro; please ban me :yes:
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Do you just bump every post you come across to express whatever meaningless garbage falls out of your mouth?
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nice to see the ching chong running strong.
Im just gay and reek of fail due to the fact I cant post an intro; please ban me :yes:
I think we can make your dream come true :noel:
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Hey, thanks for reminding me.....
Installed a 5th injector 6" before the throttle body. 550cc. Controlling it via the PerfectPower6 (SMT6).
Running 25-30% E-85 to 92 pump. 23-24 psi.
Pretty happy.
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Clutch is unhappy when changing gears under boost.... :(
The E85 and fifth injectors is balling. You can definately feel the changeover point when the fifth kicks in, so obviously need some more tuning so its not so top end, need more "all over"
Re-installed the AVCR in conjunction with the Greddy MBC to see if I can get it to spool faster.
Tried to install a nice set of Greddy boost and EGT guages. They turned out to be FRIED. craps.
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Clutch is unhappy when changing gears under boost.... :(
The E85 and fifth injectors is balling. You can definately feel the changeover point when the fifth kicks in, so obviously need some more tuning so its not so top end, need more "all over"
Re-installed the AVCR in conjunction with the Greddy MBC to see if I can get it to spool faster.
Tried to install a nice set of Greddy boost and EGT guages. They turned out to be FRIED. craps.
Damn that sucks to hear....
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Hey I got a camera!!!!
So here are some crappy vids of the dash with a slipping clutch! You can see the tach occasionally SHOOT to redline, obviously thats when the clutch slips....
longer pulls, 2.5 1990 Subaru Legacy T3/T4 turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKLdmOQgtU#normal)
3rd gear pulls, 1990 Subaru Legacy, T3/T4 turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGAh5_uyjkA#normal)
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Bad ass vids.
Any ones with your car smokin' all four tires? :evil:
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Have new 6 puck and flywheel in hand. Motor pull starts now.
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sprung or unsprung centre?
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Unsprung....
Ok, motor was out at 2:15, so little less than an hour.... awesome.....
Quickly unbolt pressure plate with fingers crossed.
:P
Pressure plate surface was SHOOOOOOTTTTT. The disc was down to rivits and ate the shit out of the pressure plate.....
I have a new flywheel, don't care about the old one. But the pressure plate?
I was fucked.
So.....
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Quickly built a jig, attached it to the rotating table on my ancient Jet mill/drill and resurfaced the pressure plate. I had to take ALOT off, so much that I also had to take 1/32" off the mounting points as well.
Ghetto Fabrication!
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Well played. Wheres the finished pics?
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Having an issue with it right now, going back to work on it later tonight.....
It was fucked to begin with, so even if I "ruin" it, I still learn something....
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Had to shim the plate out .030 to get it to work. Took some time to get it right.
But drove it home!
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Added a 2nd fuel pump. Already maxed out the Walbro on the E85, so installed a 97 EJ20R pump....
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Fuel pressure sits at 51 psi, and now I have plenty of fuel up top!
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Blurry, but now with a holding clutch!
1990 Subaru Legacy pulls 2nd, 3rd, 4th T3/T4 turbo 100% E85 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvACLbbfJbQ#normal)
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Looks good!! I bet you hit low 12's this year :D
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god dam I love this car ;D
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0-100 pull. 1990 Legacy turbocharged T3/T4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7algHrLHec#normal)
then the damn headgasket or cylinderwall decided to be a problem.... No more pulls or fun driving until I fix it. Can still drive around, just no boost....
Was not hitting target boost either, maybe only 20 psi...
Speedo is 5mph fast.
But....
I launch at 1.1 seconds into vid...
So 0-99 (really is 0-94) takes about 9.2 seconds
0-35 (0-30 real) is 3 secs = 1st gear
0-60 (0-55 real) is 4.1 secs = 1-2 gear
0-85 (0-80 real) is 7 secs = 1-2-3 gear.
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0-100 pull. 1990 Legacy turbocharged T3/T4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7algHrLHec#normal)
then the damn headgasket or cylinderwall decided to be a problem.... No more pulls or fun driving until I fix it. Can still drive around, just no boost....
Was not hitting target boost either, maybe only 20 psi...
Speedo is 5mph fast.
But....
I launch at 1.1 seconds into vid...
So 0-99 (really is 0-94) takes about 9.2 seconds
0-35 (0-30 real) is 3 secs = 1st gear
0-60 (0-55 real) is 4.1 secs = 1-2 gear
0-85 (0-80 real) is 7 secs = 1-2-3 gear.
Badass :yes: :noel: ;D
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PIR opened so went down the strip a few times....
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Baaaaaaaad tires....
Dynoed as well, lower boost, and made 375/375.
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awesome
more room to improve, I see 400whp in your future real soon. :yes:
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So you ran a 12.5 with a bad motor? You sir are a baller! :evil:
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Awesome! You should get better tires and see what numbers you run!
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So you ran a 12.5 with a bad motor? You sir are a baller! :evil:
Don't know for certain how bad it is, but after every two runs, I would have to refill the radiator from the overflow tank.
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So you ran a 12.5 with a bad motor? You sir are a baller! :evil:
Don't know for certain how bad it is, but after every two runs, I would have to refill the radiator from the overflow tank.
It's not due to a head lift is it?
If so you could be pushing the water out of the radiator.
I had a similar problem until I re-torqued the head studs. ;D
I read an article about Head Gaskets in D-Sport. Looked at the Cosworth's design where they use a sealing ring the bore are that overlaps MLS. This is to keep combustion from passing through the layers of the head gasket.
Here is the link but but it only covers a small bit of info. because they want you to buy the mag.
http://www.dragsport.com/issue/2010/0310_tech.shtml (http://www.dragsport.com/issue/2010/0310_tech.shtml)
Here a link to Cosworth's HG(sale ad) and some bit of info. in it.
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetails/Cosworth/Engine/Head_Gaskets/High_Performance_Multi_Layer/12861 (http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetails/Cosworth/Engine/Head_Gaskets/High_Performance_Multi_Layer/12861)
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March 6th I split a cylinder wall....
Then I did it again May 8th....
Damn....
Fucking weak ass Subaru cylinder wall! #4 everytime.
Anyway,
Latest motor is 2002 2.5 NA block with STI rods and CP pistons. STock bore. Twin turbo heads from way back.
Now the tranny is suspect....
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so sleeve a bitch already. hey st least u didnt burn ur face off when it happened
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Burn my face?
It's not a Gaydo!
But the tranny is going to take shit soon.
Drove to git booze just now.....
Got stuck in 2nd....
The day it blew up? Got stuck in 4th....
Tranny feels "loose".
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Sleeve a block already. Btw how cheap are these blocks since you always seem to have one laying around.
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Sleeving a fucking subaru is fucking $1500plus?
Saving that for the real wagon.....
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Sleeving a fucking subaru is fucking $1500plus?
Saving that for the real wagon.....
Fuck $1500 :?:
How much is a stock block?
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See, the subaru blocks, ALL, except the LEGENDAERY 2.2 closed deck and custom whatever sleved, are all weak.
I could do the 2.2 closed deck block, but I just don't want to.
eh, got to go....
Story later.
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See, the subaru blocks, ALL, except the LEGENDAERY 2.2 closed deck and custom whatever sleved, are all weak.
I could do the 2.2 closed deck block, but I just don't want to.
eh, got to go....
Story later.
Is there a reason you wont? Or do you just like blowing shit up :noel:
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This was the problem.
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So now I have.....
2001 Forester main transmission case. TY755VC1BA
1997 JDM STI 4.44 gear set, center diff and transfer case. TY72VBCAA
199? Legacy front diff and 4.11 pinion shaft/gear.
????? misc pieces from another year?
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I would love to see what you can do with another car.
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Just saw this : http://www.dragsport.com/issue/2010/0810_cover_story.shtml (http://www.dragsport.com/issue/2010/0810_cover_story.shtml)
Thought you might want to call the guys who built this if they are experiencing the same issue with their. And what they are doing to avoid breaking theirs. ;D
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yeah, they built a twin charged setup years ago.
MONEY was invested.
MONEY MONEY MONEY was invested in the dragsport writeup....
If I had MONEY, I would be shitting weasels. But since I am poor, I shit replacement parts.
DYNO TUNING TOMORROW!!!!!
I think I could hit 500 whp if I am stupid.....
Safety is 450....
Love that EBAY turbo.....
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Your epic failure of open deck 2.5 blocks and gearsets has convinced me to do another cheap subaru build haha ;) Subaru shits so cheap down here, picked up a jdm 4.4 Gearbox, plate LSD rear 4.4 diff and shafts to suit all for 350NZ (about 175$ US) :P
Hey just wondering if the decapping on the early red sidefeed legacy injectors is the same as the top feed WRX's? I was worried that because they are micro welded ontop instead of on the side, that the cap holds the pintle and injector togeather? Also what cc' did you find the flow at after the decap?
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Reds go about 500-550cc flow.
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Location: Gresham Oregon
Ambient Temp: 65
Elevation: 250?
Weather: Clear
Tires: Toyo Proxes 4 205/55/16
Car: 1990 Legacy Wagon
Tuner: Doug Vincent and Bobby W @ PRE
Dyno Info: Dyno Dynamics PRE Racing
Peak HP at RPM: 392 at 6500 rpm 17 psi 423 @6000 rpm 23 psi
Peak Torque at RPM: 375 at 5000 rpm 17psi 429 @ 5250 rpm 23 psi
Target Boost: 17 and 23
Fuel: e85
Engine/Power Modifications: 2.5 2002 RS block, 99.5 mm CP pistons, STI rods, 1997 EJ20 twin turbo heads, 800 CC injectors, 5th injector 800 cc (barely needed), Vortech FMU 3-1, Ebay T3/T4 turbo. Borla NA header, custom up and downpipe, 3" exhaust
Drivetrain Mods - dual diaphram pressure plate, 6 puck, 1997 STI gearset in NA case.
Tuned for daily driving 17psi and "race" 23 psi. GRAPH RPM IS OFF BY ABOUT 400rpm (low)!
The 17psi map has been tweaked a little more so probably close to 400 torque, but not on the graph. Dip in the boost probably due to fluke, wasnt doing that other runs.
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Then I turned up the boost to 23 but it obviously would not hold and tapered to 20. Had been on dyno for about two hours so I called it good for now.
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Nice!!!!!!! ;D
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good numbers
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Dynojet?
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Whoops,
Dyno Dynamics
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Shit must be fun on the street :noel:
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Wastegate has been blowing open, explains the funky boost curves....
That said, I ran 12.44 and 12.45 Saturday night, and shoulda coulda woulda a 12.2-12.3 on Sunday at Woodburn but had to stomp of the brakes to keep from breaking out (bracket racing) and still did a 12.51 @ 101mph....
"Fixed" the wastegate with a helper spring, but won't know if that is going to work till this weekend at the track again....
IF the wastegate holds now, 500whp is not out of the question, 25plus psi in 3rd has happened already..... Tranny would be in question at that point....
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I love a sleeper!
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true sleeper. How long have you had your ebay turbo? Your running a restrictor to it also correct?
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Turbo is 15 months plus old.... TINY restrictor....
Finally had to run some bigger wire directly to the twin walbros.... Plug was getting HOOOOOOOOTTTTTTT.
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Split another cylinder wall! (unless I had epic head gasket failure......)
150' before the finish line......
12.387 @ 116.5 with a 2.004 60' time......
well, tranny needed to be rebuilt anyway....
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I'm not familiar with subies, but do they have sleeves?
I'm wondering if you could devcon one or something to maybe help prevent splitting the walls.
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Split another cylinder wall! (unless I had epic head gasket failure......)
150' before the finish line......
12.387 @ 116.5 with a 2.004 60' time......
well, tranny needed to be rebuilt anyway....
Fuck how many times is that now? Needing to rebuild the motor and trans?
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Turbo is 15 months plus old....
Have you clocked 1000 miles on it yet?
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Have you clocked 1000 miles on it yet?
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Probably close to 15,000 miles?
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Finally pulled the motor 1 year 9 months later....
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Ouch.
That thing is screaming for some devcon.
BTW, Welcome back.
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Ouch.
That thing is screaming for some devcon.
BTW, Welcome back.
+1 :noel:
What is your plan now?
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Ouch.
That thing is screaming for some devcon.
BTW, Welcome back.
+1 :noel:
What is your plan now?
Not sure if devcon would help, ill check back in im testing something that should be stronger.
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Finally pulled the motor 1 year 9 months later....
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man that sucks! Is the reddevil going to live on or is this the end????
change of platform in your future? This might be fun (and more reliable)
JRW-RED BULL-subaru legacy LS1 (2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pDgqpkmFLY#)
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Some sort of devil will live on....
Cracking the block down soon to reuse the crank/rods/pistons and maybe even bearings if they are in good shape.... Gonna have to rebuild this one on a serious budget right now....
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Some sort of devil will live on....
Cracking the block down soon to reuse the crank/rods/pistons and maybe even bearings if they are in good shape.... Gonna have to rebuild this one on a serious budget right now....
Oh yea!
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Bearings look great, will be reusing them just to piss people off. The head gaskets? Gonna have to spring for new.
And I need some more diesel for the wash basin.
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Bearings look great, will be reusing them just to piss people off. The head gaskets? Gonna have to spring for new.
And I need some more diesel for the wash basin.
I done that plenty of times, copper spray the hg!
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Short block together!
100mm wiseco.
Running by next weekend?
Still gonna have to deal with the tranny bearing issue.....
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Awesome will there be pictures or videos?
I got my twincharge setup going and it was fun until broke some ring lands. :noel:
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looks like a shortblock ;DDD
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looks like a shortblock ;DDD
Yeah but picts of your build and setup is like porn for boostheads. :noel:
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Short block together!
100mm wiseco.
Running by next weekend?
Still gonna have to deal with the tranny bearing issue.....
Fuck yea about damn time!
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OK, stealing photos from the actual build thread at homemadeturbo.com
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Awesome any new picts of of anything you changed? :noel:
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All the red paint on manifold flaked off, interior is moldy and it looks like shit.
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Any water/meth in the plans? :noel:
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Any water/meth in the plans? :noel:
Sleeved block???
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so is this still the original twincharged devil or just a single snail engine? mad props either way though- it STILL lives!
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This is the daily devil. The reddevil twin charged wagon has not run since fall of 2008
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Im so damn happy this thread is up again, I hope you have better luck with this new shortblock! Part of me is happy to see all of that subaru carnage though!!!