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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: random-strike on November 06, 2009, 06:30:52 PM
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http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/06/committee-confirms-comply-with-pelosi-care-or-go-to-jail/ (http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/06/committee-confirms-comply-with-pelosi-care-or-go-to-jail/)
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage†and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
n response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.â€
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.†[page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…†[page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.†[page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,†said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
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will someone please shoot that cunt already
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it will be a CRIME to not have insurance or be on the govt plan. $250,000 fine?????
oh i'm sorry you can't afford insurance, here is a 250,000 fine we'll just garnish your wages for the rest of your life, and tack on another 250,000 a year. nah we'll just send you to the gulag
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So everyone who is now part time workers who are trying their hardest to not be a welfare recipient are going to get fucked.
How many people in the restaurant world don't have insurance and scrap by every month alone. This is going to be very nasty in the long run.
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will someone please shoot that cunt already
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Your guys are gonna be more socialist than Canada in no time.
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Seriously, fuck this country. I'm starting my mud hut plans and moving to zimbabwe next year
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Seriously, fuck this country. I'm starting my mud hut plans and moving to zimbabwe next year
Send me a trillion dollar bill when you get there. I've always wanted .005 US cents in paper form.
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my favorite part is the provision in the healthcare bill to cover prayer as medical expenses. So much for separation of church and state
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It costs money to pray?
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If I'm sent to jail, I get free healthcare then, right????
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If this passes, I am definitely going to start a medical prayer facility and charge the fuck out of peoples mandatory insurance. God bless you, show the receptionist your papers on the way out.
$$$$
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So everyone who is now part time workers who are trying their hardest to not be a welfare recipient are going to get fucked.
definition of what democrats do; fuck the working man, give it to the free riders
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It costs money to pray?
Apparently it costs money to have people pray for you.
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If I'm sent to jail, I get free healthcare then, right????
Not free, just VERY cheap. You have no idea the amount of meds and care you can get in jail/prison with very little money.
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This kinda BS really makes me want to move to another country, even Canada is looking good compared to the bs were going to have.
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It costs money to pray?
Apparently it costs money to have people pray for you.
i don't pray much, but if anyone on here needs a prayer said for them or family just let me know.
i won't charge you.
I would gladly pay you $5 NOT to pray for me.
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So everyone who is now part time workers who are trying their hardest to not be a welfare recipient are going to get fucked.
definition of what democrats do; fuck the working man, give it to the free riders
Lol, then how do you define republicans? All their YEARS of deregulization did was allow the working man to dig too deep a hole with unpayable mortgages. In other words, the republicans clearly fucked the working man, and made the rich richer. You think that's better than making the poor richer??
Do the math already, 2.5% of a pitiful salary is nothing. Even at poverty-level employment for a single person, that would be under $11 tax per check. For basic insurance, I pay $55 per check. I'd have to make over $50k for that tax to be more than insurance, which would be retarded NOT to have at that point. That $11 would HELP pay for the niggers that swarm the ER for a runny nose, and refuse to pay after treatment. In the end, you'd have more money for government work & stimulous projects, which mostly benifits - guess who - the working man.
If you guys want to leave, how about going to Sweden. Free insurance, but taxes are 60%.
All I can say is leave it to republicans to stir a pot of non-understanding.
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Just to make this a bit more clear:
Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage†and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income),
No insurance = get tax
No insurance, no pay tax = get jail
Get insurance = no tax, no jail
No insurance at hospital = arm+leg for simple shit
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After the repeated success of every govt. socialized program in the past (social security, welfare, medicare) I can't wait to enjoy the same level of premium service and efficient use of my tax dollars.
Face it, we already have Social Security and Federal Income Tax, let's ride this gravy train to crazy town! Woowoo! Complete societal collapse, here we come!
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The idea is that the bill has already gone up a couple hundred million in price tag in a couple weeks hence the 2.5 percent # will most likely raise with it, once everything is truly said and done.
For those like myself who haven't seen a doctor in 13 years and never get sick,insurance is the last thing on my mind. If your a sickly dude then well you should have insurance to begin with, why have the government force you to realize that evolution doesn't want you or your baby to live.
If your claiming I have any belief in a system that has been broken by both sides you sir are wrong. I hate white people also.
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evolution doesn't want you or your baby to live.
Excellent point. Kill the sickies.
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so if i alraedy have insurance, i dont have to pay the extra taxes to help this health insuance shit? why do they care so much about this fucking health insurance, every way you look at it, its just a giant failure. espeically with the your goign to go to jail standpoint.
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the simple fact is that the govt can run shit, and they want to take over the health care system. Um, no.
The best part about this, is that we are going to pay for it now, and the actual insurance wont begin until 2013. What happens in 2013 when they say...oh, we didnt pay enough into it. Lets start the insurance in 2014
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everyone wanted change...
hows the "change" working now?
Yay for socialism... i need to hit the lottery so i can buy a private island.
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This kinda BS really makes me want to move to another country, even Canada is looking good compared to the bs were going to have.
canada's health system is this x3
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hiprofile has a screw loose. complete loser in everyway. pathetic.
bolth parties are there to screw you. govt'd natural progression is to gain more and more power.
everytime your state legislature, or congress are in session. you lose more freedoms and more money. they have never helped you, and never will.
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Lol, then how do you define republicans? All their YEARS of deregulization did was allow the working man to dig too deep a hole with unpayable mortgages. In other words, the republicans clearly fucked the working man, and made the rich richer. You think that's better than making the poor richer??
Do the math already, 2.5% of a pitiful salary is nothing. Even at poverty-level employment for a single person, that would be under $11 tax per check. For basic insurance, I pay $55 per check. I'd have to make over $50k for that tax to be more than insurance, which would be retarded NOT to have at that point. That $11 would HELP pay for the niggers that swarm the ER for a runny nose, and refuse to pay after treatment. In the end, you'd have more money for government work & stimulous projects, which mostly benifits - guess who - the working man.
If you guys want to leave, how about going to Sweden. Free insurance, but taxes are 60%.
All I can say is leave it to republicans to stir a pot of non-understanding.
You do know all of this was been the work of the democrats?? They were the ones who passed the bills thats forced Fannie and Freddie to buy subprime mortages. Of course it was the Republicans that held a gun to all of theses peoples heads to buy a house they couldn't afford.
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was allow the working man to dig too deep a hole with unpayable mortgages. In other words, the republicans clearly fucked the working man
are you even remotely serious right now? consumers fucked themselves by VOLUNTARILY WALKING INTO A LENDING INSTITUTION, LOOKING AT THE PAPERWORK, AND VOLUNTARILY SIGNING THEIR NAME to a mortgage that they know they couldn't afford. typical american consumerism at it's best. buy now, pay later. maybe next time they go up to buy a house they will not be idiots and pick something they can afford.
it's pieces of shit like you that perpetuate the mindset of "oh, we got screwed by the bank/government" when it's really your own fucking fault. i could have gotten a screaming deal on an ARM loan before i bought my house, but i didn't want to gamble on the market. that's what these millions of stupid fucking morons did. to blame the government for something that you knew or had documentation shows the lack of responsibility and character.
next thing you know people with your mindset will be outside of casinos and horse racing tracks crying about how you were screwed out of your money and it's not your fault. fucking ridiculous.
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uuhhhh they made it seem like i would win :(
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was allow the working man to dig too deep a hole with unpayable mortgages. In other words, the republicans clearly fucked the working man
are you even remotely serious right now? consumers fucked themselves by VOLUNTARILY WALKING INTO A LENDING INSTITUTION, LOOKING AT THE PAPERWORK, AND VOLUNTARILY SIGNING THEIR NAME to a mortgage that they know they couldn't afford. typical american consumerism at it's best. buy now, pay later. maybe next time they go up to buy a house they will not be idiots and pick something they can afford.
it's pieces of shit like you that perpetuate the mindset of "oh, we got screwed by the bank/government" when it's really your own fucking fault. i could have gotten a screaming deal on an ARM loan before i bought my house, but i didn't want to gamble on the market. that's what these millions of stupid fucking morons did. to blame the government for something that you knew or had documentation shows the lack of responsibility and character.
next thing you know people with your mindset will be outside of casinos and horse racing tracks crying about how you were screwed out of your money and it's not your fault. fucking ridiculous.
well said dude.
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was allow the working man to dig too deep a hole with unpayable mortgages. In other words, the republicans clearly fucked the working man
are you even remotely serious right now? consumers fucked themselves by VOLUNTARILY WALKING INTO A LENDING INSTITUTION, LOOKING AT THE PAPERWORK, AND VOLUNTARILY SIGNING THEIR NAME to a mortgage that they know they couldn't afford. typical american consumerism at it's best. buy now, pay later. maybe next time they go up to buy a house they will not be idiots and pick something they can afford.
it's pieces of shit like you that perpetuate the mindset of "oh, we got screwed by the bank/government" when it's really your own fucking fault. i could have gotten a screaming deal on an ARM loan before i bought my house, but i didn't want to gamble on the market. that's what these millions of stupid fucking morons did. to blame the government for something that you knew or had documentation shows the lack of responsibility and character.
next thing you know people with your mindset will be outside of casinos and horse racing tracks crying about how you were screwed out of your money and it's not your fault. fucking ridiculous.
well said dude.
THIS^^^
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Regulation, or none at all, there's absolutely no risk involved in lending to anyone when everything is backed by the federal government/bailouts anyway, which is paid by taxpayers.
Profits are private, debts are public.
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hiprofile has a screw loose. complete loser in everyway. pathetic.
Are you still sore about my jeep coolant comment? How nothing chrysler makes conforms to any known laws of physics?
So allowing retards to rack up shitloads of debt (house or otherwise), then filing bankrupcy and making others pay for it, is a more educated way of thinking? Let people dig their own holes, when the law still requires others to dig them out?
I'd be all for the lawless west style of thinking, except it has to be ALL OR NOTHING. I'd have been all for deregulation if it allowed us responsible people to take those fools as slaves after they defaulted on all their loans. Instead, they didn't remove enough laws, and that >30% you're paying into taxes have to cover that shit.
I know some people in this thread have thick heads, but I'll propose you do some research on this whole finacial fiasco. Here's a very breif historical summary: the last time there was so much deregulation done in the government was the late 20's, right before the great depression. It wasn't all caused by a bunch of stocks loosing value.
The fact is that whiney, bitch-ass republicans fucked shit up enough to get thrown out of office by the first presidential nigger. Everyone is now paying the piper for those last 8 years, and it certainly wouldn't be all gumdrops and rainbows if the democrats had lost. Call me crazy all you want, I'm a realist, not an ignorant fool.
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Republicans, Democrats, blah blah blah.
Political parties didn't fuck this shit up, ignorant citizens allowed it to happen.
Political parties should be illegal.
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This reminds me somewhat about scammers here.
You could say dumb people who get scammed by not reading between the lines enough deserve what they get. Yet here we help those who got scammed, force sellers to have vouches, provide pics, etc., then scammers get then ban.
I've yet to see any of the people writing those bogus loans get the ban (jail), provide vouches (proof the loan is 100% safe), and anyone here who thinks it was the fault of those writing the loans they knew people couldn't afford.
Hypocracy at it's finest. Makes me lol (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
"oh, we got screwed by the bank/government"
Lol, isn't that what this thread is about, how people are whining the current government is trying to screw us over? So who is the real perpetuator of "government sucks"? Alan Greenspan didn't even fucking understand the subprime bullshit that was allowed to run rampant during Bushitler's rein, and he ran the financial show for decades. This thread is priceless, humor galore.
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Hiprofile is a loser
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Hiprofile is a loser
Good comeback.
jhchrist basically said it in a nutshell. Don't go out and buy something you can't afford and you won't have to worry about all this shit. Living within your means seems to be something lost on the majority of the american people
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Tupac: Revolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgVBY72KlB4#normal)
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the bill passed the house. the united states slides further into tyranny.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29235.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29235.html)
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Senate will not pass this ish
I hope your right,
this is a bunch of BS
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29235.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29235.html)
i want to know how these people got so rich? was it before they got into politics or after?
politicians should not be allowed to have any stakes in anything that can benefit them based on how they vote.
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death to tyrants