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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: random-strike on November 12, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/11/12/2009-11-12_cunys_got_math_problem_many_freshmen_from_city_hs_fail_at_basic_algebra.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/11/12/2009-11-12_cunys_got_math_problem_many_freshmen_from_city_hs_fail_at_basic_algebra.html)
More city kids are graduating from high school, but that doesn't mean they can do college math.
Basic algebra involving fractions and decimals stumped a group of City University of New York freshmen - suggesting city schools aren't preparing them, a CUNY report shows.
"These results are shocking," said City College Prof. Stanley Ocken, who co-wrote the report on CUNY kids' skills. "They show that a disturbing proportion of New York City high school graduates lack basic skills."
During their first math class at one of CUNY's four-year colleges, 90% of 200 students tested couldn't solve a simple algebra problem, the report by the CUNY Council of Math Chairs found. Only a third could convert a fraction into a decimal.
The lack of math skills means the CUNY students - nearly 70% of which come from city schools - could struggle to keep up with peers, fail classes or even drop out, the professors charged.
The council submitted its report in September 2008 to Schools Chancellor Joel Klein with a plea to work with city schools.
"We didn't hear anything until this past June," said Lehman College professor and math chairman Robert Feinerman, noting there was a discussion about working together at the time. "But that whole thing seems to have petered out."
CUNY Chancellor Matthew Goldstein countered that he and Klein joined forces several years ago to "tackle the problem head on.... At the senior colleges, we've seen massive improvement," he said.
City Education Department spokesman David Cantor said the agency had been working to improve standards even before the professors' report.
"We had already moved to action," he said.
Still, several Hunter College freshmen approached yesterday had trouble figuring out some of the problems.
"I just did this earlier. Now I forgot it again," Jennifer Fortune, 18, who graduated from Brooklyn's Edward R. Murrow High School, said when asked to answer one of the questions. "I was only required to take two years of math in high school, but I forgot a lot of it."
John Jay College sophomore Ahmed Elshafaie, 19, who graduated from Long Island City High School, said he avoids math classes.
"I don't want to ruin my GPA," he said. "High school standards were really low."
rmonahan@nydailynews.com
With Robert Johnson
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/11/12/2009-11-12_cunys_got_math_problem_many_freshmen_from_city_hs_fail_at_basic_algebra.html#ixzz0WfIcpOKi (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/11/12/2009-11-12_cunys_got_math_problem_many_freshmen_from_city_hs_fail_at_basic_algebra.html#ixzz0WfIcpOKi)
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Thats Nyc for you, whats your point?
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socialism
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America is dumb as shit
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
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I thought I didn't know how to convert fraction into decimal, but I wrote 15/16 on a paper and solve it in less than 20 seconds. Maybe I learned how to do it finally lol
The Europe educational system is 100X better than amerian's and canada's system (in math). They come at my school and know a lot more things than us in math at the same level of education. Especially in abstract math when there are no numbers involve... We are not formed to think without numbers.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
Didn't you just use the word "Encase" in another thread?
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
I will speak of southern MS, as that's what I'm familiar with.
Here, 50 years ago, high school prepared you for the real world. If you graduated high school, then you could balance a checkbook, knew how to file your own taxes, how to cook, and men learned a trade so they could get a job. Here we have Ingalls Shipbuilding, so the schools trained students to be welders, pipe fitters, machinist, etc. When you got out of high-school, you could go to work and make a decent living.
Now, industry standards have went up and a high school education of today isn't enough to get hired on at Ingalls. You have to go through an apprenticeship program bare minimum to get hired. Be it welding, machining, anything.
But part of the problem is lack of give-a-shit, and that comes from poor parenting.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
Didn't you just use the word "Encase" in another thread?
satire
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
I will speak of southern MS, as that's what I'm familiar with.
Here, 50 years ago, high school prepared you for the real world. If you graduated high school, then you could balance a checkbook
Which is exactly why our economy is for shit, and I wish we had that exact education system back.
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
I will speak of southern MS, as that's what I'm familiar with.
Here, 50 years ago, high school prepared you for the real world. If you graduated high school, then you could balance a checkbook
Which is exactly why our economy is for shit, and I wish we had that exact education system back.
Ok, I guess we're saying the same thing, but in a different way. I agree though, it's a joke by todays standards, and it needs to be revamped.
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Hating on an education system that obviously failed you.
LOL
Encase
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
I will speak of southern MS, as that's what I'm familiar with.
Here, 50 years ago, high school prepared you for the real world. If you graduated high school, then you could balance a checkbook
Which is exactly why our economy is for shit, and I wish we had that exact education system back.
Ok, I guess we're saying the same thing, but in a different way. I agree though, it's a joke by todays standards, and it needs to be revamped.
I went to a county school that took state and placed nationally every year in math competitions. I felt like the math program was somewhat lacking, but I'm a wierdo so it was probably just fine.
My kid goes to the city school because, overall, they take much better care of gifted children.
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
I will speak of southern MS, as that's what I'm familiar with.
Here, 50 years ago, high school prepared you for the real world. If you graduated high school, then you could balance a checkbook
Which is exactly why our economy is for shit, and I wish we had that exact education system back.
Ok, I guess we're saying the same thing, but in a different way. I agree though, it's a joke by todays standards, and it needs to be revamped.
I went to a county school that took state and placed nationally every year in math competitions. I felt like the math program was somewhat lacking, but I'm a wierdo so it was probably just fine.
My kid goes to the city school because, overall, they take much better care of gifted children.
Well I went to a MS school, and MS schools are #1 in the nation at being the shittiest schools. Now I'm at a MS college, and it's much better then the high-schools, but still shitty in many ways. Probably not the shittiest college in the nation, but certainly not the best.
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I slept through high school, did drugs, hung out with the wrong people, never did my homework, and still managed a 3.0 GPA. <---Thats a fucked education system.
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x = .999~
so 10x = 9.999~
9.999~ - .999~ = 9
but 10x - x = 9x
so 9x = 9, x = 1
Thus, x = .999~ = 1
amidoinitrite?
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Hating on an education system that obviously failed you.
LOL
Encase
you're poor, encase you didn't know 8)
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Growing up as an Army Brat Department of Defense Dependent School system worked well for me. ;D
I wish my kids had that good of an education before high school. :?:
The high schools in my area have a program where you can take college class, while in high school, and graduate with up to 2yrs. of college under your belt.
I met a kid at 17yrs. old who had 3 credit shy from having an A.S. Engineering and Mathematics and 6 credits from having an A.S. in Physics.
After graduation he went to University of Wyoming to finish his engineering degree for free and he recieved $750/mo spending money while he is there. (parents paid nothing)
I'm encouraging my kids to take advantage of this but so far they do not seem too interested yet.
My oldest son wants to go in the Army as soon as he graduates.
My oldest daughter wants to go to MIT, I told her she would need to take advantage of this system so she can have all of here min. requirement done before college. She knows her dear old dad does not make enough to cover her college costs, but she thinks she can just get all the scholarships she needs. My daughter is smart but not that smart. :?:
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
i wish we did too. kids need to get beat and set them straight... back in the day you acted up in class you got hit, you mouthed off, you got hit... makes sence... you touch your kid in california and they try and put you in jail for child abuse.. WTF?! makes no sence.. then they complain about people being bad parents and not being able to control their kids..
they say for every 10 drop outs in america smaller countries put out 23 honor students.. hmm? :mexi:
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Algebra, physics, english, and gym are the only classes you need to take as a HS to be able to function as a human in the real world. There should be a catch all class written into the curriculum where they teach you "common knowledge" things. How to use a hammer, how to balance a check book, how to tie your shoes....those sorts of things.
Being in the engineering department my whole college career, I was completely insulated away from people that didn't know algebra.
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America is dumb as shit
kids are stupid because they refuse to learn.
:yes:
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That's only true at excellent engineering schools. Good ones you just have to deal with general anti-social behavior.
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That's only true at excellent engineering schools. Good ones you just have to deal with general anti-social behavior.
It's not anti-social, they just aren't interested in anyone else's bullshit but their own.
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America is dumb as shit
+1
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Growing up with a dad who is an electrical engineer made coming home struggling with Algebra in 8th grade some of my worst memories growing up. Its the one subject I never had issues through high school/college most likely due to the extra help I got at home from a Math nazi.
Either way when the parents can't do basic math what makes people think their kids can. Sitcoms make fun of parents not being able to help their kids with homework but in reality it's just sad.
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The education system of 50 years ago is no longer adequate. Unbelievable.
+1. I feel like a complete dullard compared to the many older well educated folks that I have encountered, and I am not well above the norm.
I wish we had the education system of 50 years ago.
America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
It kind of hurts to agree with you.
:P
IMO, parenting is still one of the biggest problems with education. Have you seen the people that tend procreate in droves? :?:
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IMO, parenting is still one of the biggest problems with education. Have you seen the people that tend procreate in droves? :?:
Yeah, they are either idiots... or convinced that they can never be wrong. Like Johnny.
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The education system should be setup to overcome the idiocy of parents.
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The education system should be setup to overcome the idiocy of parents.
With the average person being a moron, how do you set up and enforce that?
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Hating on an education system that obviously failed you.
LOL
Encase
you're poor, encase you didn't know 8)
you pay my kid's and my kid's mother's medical bills....as well as my mortgage payment
you win Johnny
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The education system should be setup to overcome the idiocy of parents.
Or maybe we should start a sterilization program.
:D
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The education system should be setup to overcome the idiocy of parents.
Or maybe we should start a sterilization program.
:D
... and what idiot arbits and enforces that?
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It's really a multi-faceted problem.
Parenting is on part. Today there are way more single parents than 50 years ago. That contributes to mess up kids.
I think it's not that kids are stupid, it's more that we've created a system where they are set to fail from the beginning. kids are less disciplined, teachers are pushovers, kids are on drugs, etc.... They all need a solid wake-up ass kicking.
Education has basically moved up two years. What do I mean by that?
The stuff you can learn at a 2-year college, was taught to everyone in high school way back when. You know, the technical courses that prepared people for the real world, like machine shop, auto tech, classes like that. Hell I took my mfg, processes class as a freshman in college, which I should have taken in HS, had it been available.
I mean I took pre-calc in HS, most people didn't even make it that far. Most people learn that shit in their first year in college, which is stupid. You should know that going into school.
Part of me wan't to become a teacher just because kids are fucking up. I can't stand it.
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Democrats are all for choice when it comes to killing your baby, but if you let them live, don't even think of sending them to the school of your choice. That's not a choice they support.
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Being a parent of four kids, I've noticed that the local school system is pushing my kids more in the last four years than before.
I also ground my kids from their cellphones, gaming consoles, TV, and any fun activities if they come home with a C or lower.
I push my kids hard, if I don't they'll always accept the easy routes to anything in life.
I have a $100 reward for my oldest two kids if they get all A's at the end of the year.
Also if they want a car they have to learn how to change their oil, tire rotation, and simple maintenance.
The school district here gives the high schooler 3 types of certificates for graduation, basics, tech, and college level.
I'm making my kids work on college level.
They are required to have 4yrs. of math, 4yrs of science, 2yrs. of a foreign language, and 4yrs. of English.
I'm pushing them to either have 4yrs. of one foreign language or 2yrs. each of 2 foreign languages.
Also I require them to get Calculus and Physics under their belt before graduating.
Bottom line is do not just rely on the school system to get your kids up to a certain level, but to push your kids to their full potential.
I'm the school work Nazis in my household, with some help from my wife. :yes:
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Here they have Algebra I and II, Geometry/Trigonometry/Advance math (GTA), Pre-Calculus, and Calculus I and II. (using the Saxon math system)
There are options to take Calculus I and II in a college setting where they can complete in one semester for each class as oppose to one year each class in a high school setting.
They can also take Linear Algebra and Differential Equations form the college if they want to, while still in High School.
I would love to see my kids take advantage of this but we will see. My oldest daughter possibly may take some of these classes but my oldest son do not seem driven enough.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
yea exactly. lmao... there are no whackjobs teaching students now? good one. how is the kool aid this morning
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
yea exactly. lmao... there are no whackjobs teaching students now? good one. how is the kool aid this morning
Have you ever tried thinking for yourself? Do you know what the republican party really stands for, and why? All I've ever seen you do is take these fucking retard arguments at face value that are spoon-fed to all you of the 'lower-class' republican fucks. Your party leaders have been fucking you backwards since at least the 70's, and none of you can realize it because every layer of bullshit fed to you is just caked on top of another layer of bullshit, and you'll probably never dig your way out. Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
yea exactly. lmao... there are no whackjobs teaching students now? good one. how is the kool aid this morning
Have you ever tried thinking for yourself? Do you know what the republican party really stands for, and why? All I've ever seen you do is take these fucking retard arguments at face value that are spoon-fed to all you of the 'lower-class' republican fucks. Your party leaders have been fucking you backwards since at least the 70's, and none of you can realize it because every layer of bullshit fed to you is just caked on top of another layer of bullshit, and you'll probably never dig your way out. Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
i'm not a republican.
and here is one thing: freedom.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
yea exactly. lmao... there are no whackjobs teaching students now? good one. how is the kool aid this morning
Have you ever tried thinking for yourself? Do you know what the republican party really stands for, and why? All I've ever seen you do is take these fucking retard arguments at face value that are spoon-fed to all you of the 'lower-class' republican fucks. Your party leaders have been fucking you backwards since at least the 70's, and none of you can realize it because every layer of bullshit fed to you is just caked on top of another layer of bullshit, and you'll probably never dig your way out. Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
i'm not a republican.
and here is one thing: freedom.
Whatever you want to call yourself, it's still blindly retarded. Freedom eh? Freedom for what? To have bad teachers and stupid kids? That sounds good I'll have that.
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
yea exactly. lmao... there are no whackjobs teaching students now? good one. how is the kool aid this morning
Have you ever tried thinking for yourself? Do you know what the republican party really stands for, and why? All I've ever seen you do is take these fucking retard arguments at face value that are spoon-fed to all you of the 'lower-class' republican fucks. Your party leaders have been fucking you backwards since at least the 70's, and none of you can realize it because every layer of bullshit fed to you is just caked on top of another layer of bullshit, and you'll probably never dig your way out. Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
i'm not a republican.
and here is one thing: freedom.
Whatever you want to call yourself, it's still blindly retarded. Freedom eh? Freedom for what? To have bad teachers and stupid kids? That sounds good I'll have that.
if the govt doesn't control everything it'll be bad is that what you're saying? bad compared to what? why was our educating system producing better people and smarter kids when the govt was less involved? would you die if the govt ceased to exist?
bad teacher + stupid kids = today
btw, you is a sheeple boy
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America is dumb as shit
no, just the part where the govt controls everything.
kids are stupid because the govt is edumacating them
You're a fucking retard. If there weren't standards in the education system we would have whackjobs like you teaching students. The fact that it fails in cities is because no self respecting good person wants to live in the fucking ghetto and get stabbed by their students on the way to their car.
yea exactly. lmao... there are no whackjobs teaching students now? good one. how is the kool aid this morning
Have you ever tried thinking for yourself? Do you know what the republican party really stands for, and why? All I've ever seen you do is take these fucking retard arguments at face value that are spoon-fed to all you of the 'lower-class' republican fucks. Your party leaders have been fucking you backwards since at least the 70's, and none of you can realize it because every layer of bullshit fed to you is just caked on top of another layer of bullshit, and you'll probably never dig your way out. Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
i'm not a republican.
and here is one thing: freedom.
Whatever you want to call yourself, it's still blindly retarded. Freedom eh? Freedom for what? To have bad teachers and stupid kids? That sounds good I'll have that.
if the govt doesn't control everything it'll be bad is that what you're saying? bad compared to what? why was our educating system producing better people and smarter kids when the govt was less involved? would you die if the govt ceased to exist?
bad teacher + stupid kids = today
btw, you is a sheeple boy
Actually, thats not what I said at all. The government does need to intervene in public education because it NEEDS to be standardized to a degree. Otherwise the problems we still have now get worse. The burb schools are filthy fucking rich and their kids get better education because there is more money to pay and keep good teachers, its an attractive place to live, and theres more money to support more activities for the little bastards. The urban and rural schools are poor, have no money to pay teachers, and their kids are dumberer because of it. FACT. Give me some sources on your info- when was the govt intervening less and yet smarter people were produced? Because of course the rich will always be able to afford sending their kids to private schools to get educations that are potentially better (and I would argue that in most cases). I love to hate the government as much as the next fool-- its easy to hate the government, but lets face it-- without it you would be fucked. Go move to Afghanistan if you want to live in a place without real government. You'd be fucking dead, because you're a dumb white cracker with a lot of guns but no fucking clue.
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you are a sheeple.
steal money from rich people and give it to the poor
rich people can buy better houses than poor people, poor people should have the best houses too
rich people can buy better cars than poor people, poor people should have the best cars too
rich people can buy better dishes than poor people, poor people should have the best dishes too
rich people can buy better beer than poor people, poor people should have the best beer too
rich people can buy better computers than poor people, poor people should have the best computers too
rich people can buy better cloths than poor people, poor people should have the best cloths too
i don't need the govt to survive. why would i be fucked without the govt? the govt does not help me in one single way, the only thing govt does is hurt me. i get nothing out of govt.
before you list off a bunch of things that govt controls that you think would be gone if they didn't... the govt uses force to control those things, like electricity and water. if the govt wasn't around i'd still have water and electricity.
i think you are the one who would be fucked without govt, because you are scared and not confident in yourself to be able to live without your nanny holding your hand. don't project your inadequacies on other people. YOU need the nanny state to live, that means you need to steal and kill people through a 3rd party because you can't take care of yourself.
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you are a sheeple.
steal money from rich people and give it to the poor
rich people can buy better houses than poor people, poor people should have the best houses too
rich people can buy better cars than poor people, poor people should have the best cars too
rich people can buy better dishes than poor people, poor people should have the best dishes too
rich people can buy better beer than poor people, poor people should have the best beer too
rich people can buy better computers than poor people, poor people should have the best computers too
rich people can buy better cloths than poor people, poor people should have the best cloths too
i don't need the govt to survive. why would i be fucked without the govt? the govt does not help me in one single way, the only thing govt does is hurt me. i get nothing out of govt.
before you list off a bunch of things that govt controls that you think would be gone if they didn't... the govt uses force to control those things, like electricity and water. if the govt wasn't around i'd still have water and electricity.
i think you are the one who would be fucked without govt, because you are scared and not confident in yourself to be able to live without your nanny holding your hand. don't project your inadequacies on other people. YOU need the nanny state to live, that means you need to steal and kill people through a 3rd party because you can't take care of yourself.
You wouldn't have any of that shit johnny, because you are poor. Good try though. What you want would send us back to the feudal days, where you would be some filthy rich guy's bitch. He would be like god to you and you would beg for the scraps from his table. You have no idea what you're talking about. And I could handle myself much better than you in any kind of adverse situation because I'm smarter than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm faster than you, and I have a clue. A raging clue. And I'd shoot my clue goo all over your mother.
And how the fuck would you still have water and electricity without the government? Water you could get, but without govt regulation it would probably be polluted to shit anyway. But how the fuck would YOU get electricity? You going to build a generator on a water mill and a wind mill in your river, or build your own mini-coal fire plant? Clue goo johnny, get some.
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Humans are inherently greedy, selfish and ignorant. What you're arguing for is social darwinism, and that my friend is fucked. Theres a few things that separate humans from animals. Our sentience, for one, but also our ability to recognize what is 'right', and recognize that as individuals we are lost, but by organizing ourselves into things like governments we can become greater than our individual selves and have things like laws and regulations that take us out of our selfish, greedy, ignorant selves and form a morally-regulated community of people. Things like compassion, empathy, other bullshit like that are the products. THE GOVT IS SO EVIL AND STEALING ALL MY MONIES! OH NOES! I'll be the first to admit there are many failings, but look at the rest of the world for an example. What countries have the highest standard of living? THE ONES WITH FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENTS. And more specifically, the ones with democracy-based governments like our own.
OK I'm going to go back to doing my SCHOOL work. A PUBLICLY FUNDED STATE school. I'll work on my research that's funded by THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR; thank you NPS, you're the best. Later, I'll probably eat some food I made using my food my live-in girlfriend bought with her FOODSTAMPS, the food stamps she gets for working in a low-paying, public service job to support PUBLIC infrastructure, the basic goods provided to all citizens of a GOVERNMENT. Thanks for all the money Johnny, I couldn't do it without the insane amount of money you pay from the extreme amounts of money you must make.
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Humans are inherently greedy, selfish and ignorant. What you're arguing for is social darwinism, and that my friend is fucked.
I'm a social Darwinist. :(
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Humans are inherently greedy, selfish and ignorant. What you're arguing for is social darwinism, and that my friend is fucked.
I'm a social Darwinist. :(
It's always a tempting thought...and it might help to stimulate some natural selection in humans again...As things are right now, dumb people have more children than smart ones, we're all being slowly bred into stupidity. But that doesn't make social darwinism RIGHT though. I'm just banking on a zombie apocalypse to weed out the weak for me.
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why was our educating system producing better people and smarter kids when the govt was less involved?
education system
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Humans are inherently greedy, selfish and ignorant. What you're arguing for is social darwinism, and that my friend is fucked.
I'm a social Darwinist. :(
It's always a tempting thought...and it might help to stimulate some natural selection in humans again...As things are right now, dumb people have more children than smart ones, we're all being slowly bred into stupidity. But that doesn't make social darwinism RIGHT though. I'm just banking on a zombie apocalypse to weed out the weak for me.
Reminds me the premise to the movie Stupiocity (not the exact title :?:) where all the stupid were procreating faster than dumb people. The main character was frozen for 500yrs and thaws out into a world. Where everybody drinks only Gator-aid and eat strictly junk food.
Where no crops were growing because water was considered bad to drink. All you do is watch tv and gaming for job.
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you are a sheeple.
steal money from rich people and give it to the poor
rich people can buy better houses than poor people, poor people should have the best houses too
rich people can buy better cars than poor people, poor people should have the best cars too
rich people can buy better dishes than poor people, poor people should have the best dishes too
rich people can buy better beer than poor people, poor people should have the best beer too
rich people can buy better computers than poor people, poor people should have the best computers too
rich people can buy better cloths than poor people, poor people should have the best cloths too
i don't need the govt to survive. why would i be fucked without the govt? the govt does not help me in one single way, the only thing govt does is hurt me. i get nothing out of govt.
before you list off a bunch of things that govt controls that you think would be gone if they didn't... the govt uses force to control those things, like electricity and water. if the govt wasn't around i'd still have water and electricity.
i think you are the one who would be fucked without govt, because you are scared and not confident in yourself to be able to live without your nanny holding your hand. don't project your inadequacies on other people. YOU need the nanny state to live, that means you need to steal and kill people through a 3rd party because you can't take care of yourself.
You wouldn't have any of that shit johnny, because you are poor. Good try though. What you want would send us back to the feudal days, where you would be some filthy rich guy's bitch. He would be like god to you and you would beg for the scraps from his table. You have no idea what you're talking about. And I could handle myself much better than you in any kind of adverse situation because I'm smarter than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm faster than you, and I have a clue. A raging clue. And I'd shoot my clue goo all over your mother.
And how the fuck would you still have water and electricity without the government? Water you could get, but without govt regulation it would probably be polluted to shit anyway. But how the fuck would YOU get electricity? You going to build a generator on a water mill and a wind mill in your river, or build your own mini-coal fire plant? Clue goo johnny, get some.
bio diesel generator. wow you are so smart, you forgot to think of that, nice. how about a gasoline generator run on ethanol? i have a still... i make whiskey in it... you can run a generator on ethanol. i guess no one could raise a couple hogs, some chickens, maybe cows... shoot an animal once in a while.... gee without the govt we'd all starve!!!!
you are a sheep. and a slave. you are talking about begging for scraps from rich people? what a joke. you beg for scrap from government right now. begging them to leave you with some money. whats the difference? govt = force, begging to rich people = choice.
govt will come kill you without any recourse.
when the jews were killed during the holocaust it was LEGAL.
you are a slave to the government.
baaaa baaaa baaaaaaaaaa.
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Being a parent of four kids, I've noticed that the local school system is pushing my kids more in the last four years than before.
I also ground my kids from their cellphones, gaming consoles, TV, and any fun activities if they come home with a C or lower.
I push my kids hard, if I don't they'll always accept the easy routes to anything in life.
I have a $100 reward for my oldest two kids if they get all A's at the end of the year.
Also if they want a car they have to learn how to change their oil, tire rotation, and simple maintenance.
The school district here gives the high schooler 3 types of certificates for graduation, basics, tech, and college level.
I'm making my kids work on college level.
They are required to have 4yrs. of math, 4yrs of science, 2yrs. of a foreign language, and 4yrs. of English.
I'm pushing them to either have 4yrs. of one foreign language or 2yrs. each of 2 foreign languages.
Also I require them to get Calculus and Physics under their belt before graduating.
Bottom line is do not just rely on the school system to get your kids up to a certain level, but to push your kids to their full potential.
I'm the school work Nazis in my household, with some help from my wife. :yes:
Thank you for being a decent parent. Your kids will one day thank you.
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Being a parent of four kids, I've noticed that the local school system is pushing my kids more in the last four years than before.
I also ground my kids from their cellphones, gaming consoles, TV, and any fun activities if they come home with a C or lower.
I push my kids hard, if I don't they'll always accept the easy routes to anything in life.
I have a $100 reward for my oldest two kids if they get all A's at the end of the year.
Also if they want a car they have to learn how to change their oil, tire rotation, and simple maintenance.
The school district here gives the high schooler 3 types of certificates for graduation, basics, tech, and college level.
I'm making my kids work on college level.
They are required to have 4yrs. of math, 4yrs of science, 2yrs. of a foreign language, and 4yrs. of English.
I'm pushing them to either have 4yrs. of one foreign language or 2yrs. each of 2 foreign languages.
Also I require them to get Calculus and Physics under their belt before graduating.
Bottom line is do not just rely on the school system to get your kids up to a certain level, but to push your kids to their full potential.
I'm the school work Nazis in my household, with some help from my wife. :yes:
Thank you for being a decent parent. Your kids will one day thank you.
I really hope so. ;D
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Humans are inherently greedy, selfish and ignorant. What you're arguing for is social darwinism, and that my friend is fucked. Theres a few things that separate humans from animals. Our sentience, for one, but also our ability to recognize what is 'right', and recognize that as individuals we are lost, but by organizing ourselves into things like governments we can become greater than our individual selves and have things like laws and regulations that take us out of our selfish, greedy, ignorant selves and form a morally-regulated community of people. Things like compassion, empathy, other bullshit like that are the products. THE GOVT IS SO EVIL AND STEALING ALL MY MONIES! OH NOES! I'll be the first to admit there are many failings, but look at the rest of the world for an example. What countries have the highest standard of living? THE ONES WITH FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENTS. And more specifically, the ones with democracy-based governments like our own.
OK I'm going to go back to doing my SCHOOL work. A PUBLICLY FUNDED STATE school. I'll work on my research that's funded by THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR; thank you NPS, you're the best. Later, I'll probably eat some food I made using my food my live-in girlfriend bought with her FOODSTAMPS, the food stamps she gets for working in a low-paying, public service job to support PUBLIC infrastructure, the basic goods provided to all citizens of a GOVERNMENT. Thanks for all the money Johnny, I couldn't do it without the insane amount of money you pay from the extreme amounts of money you must make.
government has been at the root of almost all evil in the history of our world.
our country before it became a nanny state was social darwinism??? are you fucking crazy. you are pathetic. your thinking is so bizarre. its just fucking pathetic.
"and recognize that as individuals we are lost,"
there you have it. eggy does not believe in freedom, he is a communist. with all the people that believe this, you will never have freedom, you will always be subject to the tyranny of the majority. democracy is the tyranny of the majority.
eggy is a communist, no wonder he defends his government religion with such vigor, without it, he would be nothing, he'd die... eggy's entire life revolves around government, and he relies on it completely.
down with tyrants.
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government has been at the root of almost all evil in the history of our world.
Disagree. Religion holds that title Johnny.
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if you're such a compassionate person eggy, why not make your government voluntary? wouldn't that be compassionate...?
pay if you want, use whatever govt "services" you pay for.
i'll not pay, and not use any of them. you can pay and use the ones you want.
of course you will never agree with this, because the people who use these services don't pay for them, people who don't use them, and don't want them... pay for it.
government has been at the root of almost all evil in the history of our world.
Disagree. Religion holds that title Johnny.
government was behind that religious evil in every case. without the power of government none of the events which you blame on religion could've taken place.
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you are a sheeple.
steal money from rich people and give it to the poor
rich people can buy better houses than poor people, poor people should have the best houses too
rich people can buy better cars than poor people, poor people should have the best cars too
rich people can buy better dishes than poor people, poor people should have the best dishes too
rich people can buy better beer than poor people, poor people should have the best beer too
rich people can buy better computers than poor people, poor people should have the best computers too
rich people can buy better cloths than poor people, poor people should have the best cloths too
i don't need the govt to survive. why would i be fucked without the govt? the govt does not help me in one single way, the only thing govt does is hurt me. i get nothing out of govt.
before you list off a bunch of things that govt controls that you think would be gone if they didn't... the govt uses force to control those things, like electricity and water. if the govt wasn't around i'd still have water and electricity.
i think you are the one who would be fucked without govt, because you are scared and not confident in yourself to be able to live without your nanny holding your hand. don't project your inadequacies on other people. YOU need the nanny state to live, that means you need to steal and kill people through a 3rd party because you can't take care of yourself.
You wouldn't have any of that shit johnny, because you are poor. Good try though. What you want would send us back to the feudal days, where you would be some filthy rich guy's bitch. He would be like god to you and you would beg for the scraps from his table. You have no idea what you're talking about. And I could handle myself much better than you in any kind of adverse situation because I'm smarter than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm faster than you, and I have a clue. A raging clue. And I'd shoot my clue goo all over your mother.
And how the fuck would you still have water and electricity without the government? Water you could get, but without govt regulation it would probably be polluted to shit anyway. But how the fuck would YOU get electricity? You going to build a generator on a water mill and a wind mill in your river, or build your own mini-coal fire plant? Clue goo johnny, get some.
bio diesel generator. wow you are so smart, you forgot to think of that, nice. how about a gasoline generator run on ethanol? i have a still... i make whiskey in it... you can run a generator on ethanol. i guess no one could raise a couple hogs, some chickens, maybe cows... shoot an animal once in a while.... gee without the govt we'd all starve!!!!
you are a sheep. and a slave. you are talking about begging for scraps from rich people? what a joke. you beg for scrap from government right now. begging them to leave you with some money.
you are a slave to the government.
baaaa baaaa baaaaaaaaaa.
You going to build the generator by hand from scrap metal or? You think you can make enough whiskey to power a generator for your electricity needs? Lets be realistic here. You don't need electricity, you can get by without it. I'd love to live off the grid and make everything myself, and I'd be much more capable of it than you. Lets internet battle. I can build a house from the foundation to the roof from materials I could harvest myself. I know how to garden, raise and keep livestock, make my own beer from ingredients I grow, and I'm more than capable of hunting and fishing for sustenance. What the government is providing you is security. What keeps somebody from killing your ass while you're gardening and taking over all your shit? Laws, enforcement, and more importantly, societal sense of morality (which is made possible by having a government). If you want to argue for less govt intervention in everyday life, be my guest (if you were intelligent you could probably come up with some good arguments for it), but don't try to argue for not having a government at all- thats just retarded.
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you are a sheeple.
steal money from rich people and give it to the poor
rich people can buy better houses than poor people, poor people should have the best houses too
rich people can buy better cars than poor people, poor people should have the best cars too
rich people can buy better dishes than poor people, poor people should have the best dishes too
rich people can buy better beer than poor people, poor people should have the best beer too
rich people can buy better computers than poor people, poor people should have the best computers too
rich people can buy better cloths than poor people, poor people should have the best cloths too
i don't need the govt to survive. why would i be fucked without the govt? the govt does not help me in one single way, the only thing govt does is hurt me. i get nothing out of govt.
before you list off a bunch of things that govt controls that you think would be gone if they didn't... the govt uses force to control those things, like electricity and water. if the govt wasn't around i'd still have water and electricity.
i think you are the one who would be fucked without govt, because you are scared and not confident in yourself to be able to live without your nanny holding your hand. don't project your inadequacies on other people. YOU need the nanny state to live, that means you need to steal and kill people through a 3rd party because you can't take care of yourself.
You wouldn't have any of that shit johnny, because you are poor. Good try though. What you want would send us back to the feudal days, where you would be some filthy rich guy's bitch. He would be like god to you and you would beg for the scraps from his table. You have no idea what you're talking about. And I could handle myself much better than you in any kind of adverse situation because I'm smarter than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm faster than you, and I have a clue. A raging clue. And I'd shoot my clue goo all over your mother.
And how the fuck would you still have water and electricity without the government? Water you could get, but without govt regulation it would probably be polluted to shit anyway. But how the fuck would YOU get electricity? You going to build a generator on a water mill and a wind mill in your river, or build your own mini-coal fire plant? Clue goo johnny, get some.
bio diesel generator. wow you are so smart, you forgot to think of that, nice. how about a gasoline generator run on ethanol? i have a still... i make whiskey in it... you can run a generator on ethanol. i guess no one could raise a couple hogs, some chickens, maybe cows... shoot an animal once in a while.... gee without the govt we'd all starve!!!!
you are a sheep. and a slave. you are talking about begging for scraps from rich people? what a joke. you beg for scrap from government right now. begging them to leave you with some money.
you are a slave to the government.
baaaa baaaa baaaaaaaaaa.
You going to build the generator by hand from scrap metal or? You think you can make enough whiskey to power a generator for your electricity needs? Lets be realistic here. You don't need electricity, you can get by without it. I'd love to live off the grid and make everything myself, and I'd be much more capable of it than you. Lets internet battle. I can build a house from the foundation to the roof from materials I could harvest myself. I know how to garden, raise and keep livestock, make my own beer from ingredients I grow, and I'm more than capable of hunting and fishing for sustenance. What the government is providing you is security. What keeps somebody from killing your ass while you're gardening and taking over all your shit? Laws, enforcement, and more importantly, societal sense of morality (which is made possible by having a government). If you want to argue for less govt intervention in everyday life, be my guest (if you were intelligent you could probably come up with some good arguments for it), but don't try to argue for not having a government at all- thats just retarded.
are you saying without government there wouldn't be generators??? you are a fucking clown. good god... no one could ever make something and sell it to someone else... without government. JOKE
you are a liar, you rely on government for your entire life. you are a pathetic loser. you rely on stolen money to live. you already admitted it. pathetic.
you arguments are ridiculous. without government, everyone would murder everyone all the time right. what a joke.
my entire family armed with AKMs would stop people from killing me, the government can't stop me from killing you, they can try to catch and punish me after you are dead. but they can't stop me.
i'm in favor of a constitutional republic form of government, we don't have that. and by the way, you would be on the street if we have a constitutional government.
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Johnny, my name is Evan. Do you even know what communism is?
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Without the Russian government where would you get AKMs? I wish I could live in johnny's imaginary world in his fortress of solitude.
i'd have a different rifle.
Johnny, my name is Evan. Do you even know what communism is?
you = owned. government LEECH
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Without the Russian government where would you get AKMs? I wish I could live in johnny's imaginary world in his fortress of solitude.
Without organization none of this shit we're talking about would even exist. No internet, no guns, nothing! We would be chasing shit with sticks and drawing pictures in caves.
there can be organization without government, and it would be voluntary and not forced.
you can't really believe that without government there would not be guns or internet, or anything else.
making a single shot rifle is quite simple and can be done with simple machinery.
if you really believe that the world would go back to the stone aged without government, you will be a slave your entire life, and have no hope of ever being free
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you guys can have and pay for your government, i'll have and pay for mine. wouldn't that make you happy? i would be happy with that...
but of course, that wouldn't work... because you can't pay for your government, you have to forced other people to.
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Free market and trade can't really happen without government, and more specifically democratic government. I'm saying 99.9% of the world would live in extreme poverty without the structure government provides, and technology wouldn't be available to you. And religion was and has always been the basis of most of the world's atrocities. Hence the attempt to separate religion and state in our Constitution.
Back on topic:
Your kids probably already receive a sub-par education, but it would be MUCH worse if there wasn't government standards and intervention. Can you really debate that?
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Without the Russian government where would you get AKMs? I wish I could live in johnny's imaginary world in his fortress of solitude.
i'd have a different rifle.
Johnny, my name is Evan. Do you even know what communism is?
you = owned. government LEECH
I think you should talk to someone living in Afghanistan, where religion is the main power, people fear for their lives and well-being on a daily basis, and they would give anything for the opportunities and standard of living we have in our country. You blindly rebel against something you have no real concept of. I can't blame you too much, its natural to fear that which you do not know. Sorry Johnny, but you're the sheep. Bred to stupidity, and so blinded that you adamantly support the same ideas that keep you dumb and blind.
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Free market and trade can't really happen without government, and more specifically democratic government. I'm saying 99.9% of the world would live in extreme poverty without the structure government provides, and technology wouldn't be available to you. And religion was and has always been the basis of most of the world's atrocities. Hence the attempt to separate religion and state in our Constitution.
Back on topic:
Your kids probably already receive a sub-par education, but it would be MUCH worse if there wasn't government standards and intervention. Can you really debate that?
free market and trade can happen without government, because if i don't agree with what a company does i won't buy anything from them.
government produces monopolies. a monopoly is not possible without government. all the monopolies today are created by government.
yes i can certainly argue that. because with the money i waste paying for your government, i could hire someone to teach them.
the separation of church and state is not in our constitution. and the doctrine of s of c&s in the context of the united states came about in an attempt to protect individual liberty (which you hate) not because they thought religion was evil. you are sadly misinformed.
educating is always better when controlled at the local level.
you can always teach your kids yourself.
The concept of separating church and state is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke.[3] According to his principle of the social contract, Locke argued that the government lacked authority in the realm of individual conscience, as this was something rational people could not cede to the government for it or others to control. For Locke, this created a natural right in the liberty of conscience, which he argued must therefore remain protected from any government authority. These views on religious tolerance and the importance of individual conscience, along with his social contract, became particularly influential in the American colonies and the drafting of the United States Constitution.
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Without the Russian government where would you get AKMs? I wish I could live in johnny's imaginary world in his fortress of solitude.
i'd have a different rifle.
Johnny, my name is Evan. Do you even know what communism is?
you = owned. government LEECH
I think you should talk to someone living in Afghanistan, where religion is the main power, people fear for their lives and well-being on a daily basis, and they would give anything for the opportunities and standard of living we have in our country. You blindly rebel against something you have no real concept of. I can't blame you too much, its natural to fear that which you do not know. Sorry Johnny, but you're the sheep. Bred to stupidity, and so blinded that you adamantly support the same ideas that keep you dumb and blind.
we had a better standard of living in the unites states in 1780 than afgan has now, and it has nothing to do with religion. it has to do with people, and the government being out of our hair (up until the last 100 years). religion has no power without government. they formed an authoritarian government that uses religion to control people.
you are a sheep. baaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaa. without government you would be dead. pathetic.
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I love how Johnny's arguments are 90% namecalling, 9% conspiracy theory, and 1% common sense
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You honestly think you would have a different rifle? Which government would commission the R&D for that rifle? Oh right someone would research on their own to develop the muzzle loader, then be killed and someone would take that muzzle loader and R&D off that then they die. How would you mass produce and sell something like this? Oh I'm sorry, even the term sell implies some kind of universal currency by which we trade goods and services. And even if you could produce copies, in such a wild and crazy environment with no social organization would you even want to sell a copy of your gun?
its really bizarre that you think without government there would be no rifles.
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I love how Johnny's arguments are 90% namecalling, 9% conspiracy theory, and 1% common sense
oh snap. you do exactly what you accuse me of.
clown
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I love how Johnny's arguments are 90% namecalling, 9% conspiracy theory, and 1% common sense
oh snap. you do exactly what you accuse me of.
clown
prove it
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I love how Johnny's arguments are 90% namecalling, 9% conspiracy theory, and 1% common sense
oh snap. you do exactly what you accuse me of.
clown
prove it
what do you mean prove it? you did it in your post...
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I love how Johnny's arguments are 90% namecalling, 9% conspiracy theory, and 1% common sense
oh snap. you do exactly what you accuse me of.
clown
prove it
what do you mean prove it? you did it in your post...
ok
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You honestly think you would have a different rifle? Which government would commission the R&D for that rifle? Oh right someone would research on their own to develop the muzzle loader, then be killed and someone would take that muzzle loader and R&D off that then they die. How would you mass produce and sell something like this? Oh I'm sorry, even the term sell implies some kind of universal currency by which we trade goods and services. And even if you could produce copies, in such a wild and crazy environment with no social organization would you even want to sell a copy of your gun?
its really bizarre that you think without government there would be no rifles.
It's really bizarre that you think the security and funding provided by the government doesn't facilitate research and development.
i never said it didn't. i said its not needed. and its all done by force. if its voluntary. go ahead.
i'd trade retina scanners on doors for freedom any day
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answer my question.
would you agree to a voluntary system, you can pay and use it, someone else can not pay, and not use it if they choose.
would you agree?
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The problem is you wish to not pay and still continue to use it.
you mean like all the people who don't pay and use it now? all the leeches like you senior hot pocket and eggy?
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Get off the internet. Turn off your lights. Do not drive your car on public roads. Do not use anything you have not bartered for. Do not use money of any sort. Carve wood with your homemade knife and trade it to someone for food like a fucking Jamacian.
We're talking about "paying" and "using" as general terms of participating in government and society, not specifically welfare.
why? i'd still have to pay for it...
gold and silver have always been "money"
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maybe the world is going to end in 2012 because the govt will finally be bankrupt. and of course without the govt we'd all die and the world would stop.
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Get off the internet. Turn off your lights. Do not drive your car on public roads. Do not use anything you have not bartered for. Do not use money of any sort. Carve wood with your homemade knife and trade it to someone for food like a fucking Jamacian.
We're talking about "paying" and "using" as general terms of participating in government and society, not specifically welfare.
ps, what makes you think that i wouldn't pay to use the roads?
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Johnny, your poorly backed and structured arguments are distracting me from my work and thus resulting in me wasting all the money that the government stole from you.
How do you figure government made monopolies? It is the government that breaks up monopolies. Monopolies are formed by greedy individuals seeking greater wealth and power and control over others, the nemesis of freedom. Let's say that our current state living could magically go one without government. What would keep enormous corporations from swallowing most of the smaller ones? And controlling the media (which they mostly do already anyway) to keep you uninformed and ignorant of what is happening? What keeps the companies from exploiting workers, from exploiting our natural resources, and destroying the environment? Stripping the common man of basic rights (granted by our former government) such as to clean air and water, all in the name of profit. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Maybe in your ideal world of 1780, when population density was low and there was still open land to be had you wouldn't have to worry about these things as much, but surprise, theres 6.5 billion people on the planet now, and that number is still going up. They all want their little piece of happiness, and they'd love to take it from you Johnny. Government keeps them from doing it.
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can you really be that ignorant?
all your utilities are government created monopolies.
all radio stations
all tv stations that aren't on cable
electricity
sewer
water
your phone service
your cell phone service
oil
gas
natural gas
internet connections
the government creates monopolies by creating protections for companies that give it money.
you can't start a oil company without government approval. you can't start a cell phone service without government approval. you can't start a radio station without government approval.
clean air and water is not a right.
you used to have property rights (you don't now) if a company ruined your property then you can sue them in civil court.
do you think government doesn't pollute and destroy? do you think they don't allow it to certain companies?
by your retarded logic, china should be the cleanest happiest place on earth, the government controls everything there, all the companies there are controlled by the government. its one of the most polluted shit holes on earth. because of government.
if a company (without government protection) was ruining a water supply that a bunch of people used, they'd break out their fucking pitchforks and burn the place to the ground, of course you can't do that now, because government protects and condones those companies.
all the great monopolies you're thinking of in old times were created and condoned by government, standard oil, etc...
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i want a constitutional government. a very small republic.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.244057bd1b30448115575c2187e68681.141&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.244057bd1b30448115575c2187e68681.141&show_article=1)
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I went to a shitty Georgia school in a tiny city that was mostly low-or-no-income people. We lived in the only nice neighborhood, the school had a small budget but did a decent job of trying to educate the 500 kids in kindergarten-8th. They moved me to classes a grade level above what I was, and sent our small bunch of gifted kids to cool field trips.
My high school was a public "private" all-magnet school in which you had to be recommended by your middle school teachers and pass an entrance exam. You were put on probation if you did not maintain a B average. The school always ranked at the top for schools in the state. None of the students skipped (it'd actually have an impact on your grade if you did) and everyone got along (there wasn't a single fight in the 3 years I was there). Virtually everyone graduates with a full scholarship to a number of colleges, and if you didn't you still could depend on the Georgia Hope program which pays for your in-state college as long as you keep a certain GPA.
Senior year I ended up in Alabama, the state that makes education budget cuts so they have enough money for other programs. I skipped school constantly, slept through all my classes, and still graduated with honors, advanced diploma, blah blah.
School system was decent in Georgia, and sucks complete ass here. If you don't get a scholarship, you don't have options like the Hope program. Schools are crowded, and they keep making budget cuts. Fortunately, they stick by their morals and don't allow the evil lottery here to generate some revenue.
When I lived in Georgia an ad with Georgia students saying "Thank you, Alabama!" in reference to Alabama residents paying for Georgia's education programs by buying lottery tickets.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bq47xduEaGwC&lpg=PA103&ots=c0X3rNh5fK&dq=thank%20you%20alabama%20georgia%20lottery%20commercial&pg=PA99#v=onepage&q=thank%20you%20alabama&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=bq47xduEaGwC&lpg=PA103&ots=c0X3rNh5fK&dq=thank%20you%20alabama%20georgia%20lottery%20commercial&pg=PA99#v=onepage&q=thank%20you%20alabama&f=false)
Couldn't find a damn video of it.
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ohhhhhhh won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
Saving $59.2 Billion by getting rid of the Department of Education, who can't (and shouldn't) attempt to control local schools from their koosh offices in DC.
Hey, you can have a public education system, just don't tell me I still have to pay for it if I decide to send my kids to private school (while paying for both). Don't tell me choice and competition is a great thing in healthcare (haha), and refuse to give up the monopoly the government has on schooling. Don't tell me the public school system is the greatest shit ever, then have the President send HIS kids to private school, as well as many other scumbags who force the system on the rest of us. I'd love to throw your socialist ass into a wood chipper. Fucken idiot.
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FACE
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I see Leean(sp) isn't putting out tonight.
Post pics or it didn't happen.
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Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
Saving $59.2 Billion by getting rid of the Department of Education, who can't (and shouldn't) attempt to control local schools from their koosh offices in DC.
Hey, you can have a public education system, just don't tell me I still have to pay for it if I decide to send my kids to private school (while paying for both). Don't tell me choice and competition is a great thing in healthcare (haha), and refuse to give up the monopoly the government has on schooling. Don't tell me the public school system is the greatest shit ever, then have the President send HIS kids to private school, as well as many other scumbags who force the system on the rest of us. I'd love to throw your socialist ass into a wood chipper. Fucken idiot.
The government and the Dept of Education regulate education and set base standards. The education system is largely run by the states. If you have a problem, talk to your state senators or (national) senators. I never said the public school system is the greatest shit ever. It has more than its fare share of flaws and I've acknowldedged that. What I said is that there needs to be standards in education. If you can afford to send your kids to private school fine, send them there, and fist yourself-- and you've got no place in the argument. I hope they are smart enough and make enough money to support your withered ass someday and throw you in a fucking nursing home. OK, bitch about paying taxes. SORRY, EVERYONE does it. Including my socialist ass. When you decide to live in this country, you pay taxes for public services, and that includes education. Like I said, if you have a problem with the rates or paying it, take it up yourself. The school district decides on the rates, and you can vote. Go run a campaign fucktard. You have nice oil lines, but don't call me an idiot, and I'd shove an oil line up your mom's ass before you got me near a wood chipper.
ALRIGHT. tapping out of this thread. How bout everyone goes and fucks themselves for a little while. I'll do the same. :mexi:
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Humans are inherently greedy, selfish and ignorant. What you're arguing for is social darwinism, and that my friend is fucked.
I'm a social Darwinist. :(
It's always a tempting thought...and it might help to stimulate some natural selection in humans again...As things are right now, dumb people have more children than smart ones, we're all being slowly bred into stupidity. But that doesn't make social darwinism RIGHT though.
I've yet to see any other behavioral model that's any more RIGHT.
Call it enlightened social Darwinism, but I understand that all human insight is subjective and therefore flawed. It is not my place to determine who is acceptable or not, and there is a learning curve comprised of stupid mistakes that everyone goes through regardless of intelligence so stupid actions do not neccesarily equal failure in a social Darwinist litmus test. I'm fine letting other's fine their own path *as long as they leave me the fuck alone*, and that is my dividing line.
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Seriously though, give me one good thing that would come out of the government not having a hand in regulating education. ONE FUCKING THING. OK.
Saving $59.2 Billion by getting rid of the Department of Education, who can't (and shouldn't) attempt to control local schools from their koosh offices in DC.
Hey, you can have a public education system, just don't tell me I still have to pay for it if I decide to send my kids to private school (while paying for both). Don't tell me choice and competition is a great thing in healthcare (haha), and refuse to give up the monopoly the government has on schooling. Don't tell me the public school system is the greatest shit ever, then have the President send HIS kids to private school, as well as many other scumbags who force the system on the rest of us. I'd love to throw your socialist ass into a wood chipper. Fucken idiot.
The government and the Dept of Education regulate education and set base standards. The education system is largely run by the states. If you have a problem, talk to your state senators or (national) senators. I never said the public school system is the greatest shit ever. It has more than its fare share of flaws and I've acknowldedged that. What I said is that there needs to be standards in education. If you can afford to send your kids to private school fine, send them there, and fist yourself-- and you've got no place in the argument. I hope they are smart enough and make enough money to support your withered ass someday and throw you in a fucking nursing home. OK, bitch about paying taxes. SORRY, EVERYONE does it. Including my socialist ass. When you decide to live in this country, you pay taxes for public services, and that includes education. Like I said, if you have a problem with the rates or paying it, take it up yourself. The school district decides on the rates, and you can vote. Go run a campaign fucktard. You have nice oil lines, but don't call me an idiot, and I'd shove an oil line up your mom's ass before you got me near a wood chipper.
ALRIGHT. tapping out of this thread. How bout everyone goes and fucks themselves for a little while. I'll do the same. :mexi:
you're a fucking liar.
When you decide to live in this country - BULLSHIT
this country was created to be free. faggots like you ruined it, because you're so inadequate in life you have to steal money from other people.
you are totally ignorant of the history of this country, and the reason it was founded. it wasn't founded so down trodden pathetic excuses for men like you could leech off other people.
BULLLLSHIT. we lived before this unconstitutional federal department
The United States Department of Education, also referred to as ED or the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Created by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88), it was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979 and began operating on May 4, 1980.
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So when are you going to expatriate yourself Johnny? Since everyone in any kind of authority position is out to get you, you should just take your ball and go home.
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So when are you going to expatriate yourself Johnny? Since everyone in any kind of authority position is out to get you, you should just take your ball and go home.
i am home.
why do people like you say this all the time? i'm not the one trying to change this country to socialism.
the people who want socialism and big govt nanny should move to a country that already does it. and be poor slaves there.
this country was founded the way i want it, end of story
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RandomMiss,
OH NOES TAXES!!!
Go throw a teaparty, faggot.
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Johnny, your only recourse at this juncture in our country's history is to ask buk for some tips on domestic terrorism. That'll show 'em who's boss.
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So when are you going to expatriate yourself Johnny? Since everyone in any kind of authority position is out to get you, you should just take your ball and go home.
i am home.
why do people like you say this all the time? i'm not the one trying to change this country to socialism.
the people who want socialism and big govt nanny should move to a country that already does it. and be poor slaves there.
this country was founded the way i want it, end of story
Since "people like me" say this all the time, perhaps that is a hint at something.
And before you go into your usual "Your a sheep", "BAAAAA BAAAAAA BAAAAA", I'm probably one of the most conservative mother fuckers you will ever meet.
I, unlike you, do not live in a world of paranoia and tin foil.
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Standards of education, hahahahaha. I guess it takes Billions of dollars to figure out what a 3rd grader should know by the end of the year. Oddly, schools all over the country are passing 3rd graders from above average, to fucking door knob status. The standards surely are working. lol.
In your cradle to grave rant, you mention that ghetto schools aren't as good because of the teachers, and never once mentioned the fact that the majority of the kids' parents are fuckin worthless, but then socialists don't expect parents to play a role. We should have government centers right outside the delivery room that we can drop them off at. Then when they turn 18, all our kids will be Bill Gates. (college anyone?)
When the revolution comes and all the government sponges are sitting on the curb crying, I'll be sure to make sloppy Joes.
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So when are you going to expatriate yourself Johnny? Since everyone in any kind of authority position is out to get you, you should just take your ball and go home.
i am home.
why do people like you say this all the time? i'm not the one trying to change this country to socialism.
the people who want socialism and big govt nanny should move to a country that already does it. and be poor slaves there.
this country was founded the way i want it, end of story
Since "people like me" say this all the time, perhaps that is a hint at something.
And before you go into your usual "Your a sheep", "BAAAAA BAAAAAA BAAAAA", I'm probably one of the most conservative mother fuckers you will ever meet.
I, unlike you, do not live in a world of paranoia and tin foil.
+1
When I met Ntrain2k he was wearing an aluminum foil hat. We had a long, involved discussion about the inadequacies of tin. I vouch for him completely.
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And before you go into your usual "Your a sheep", "BAAAAA BAAAAAA BAAAAA", I'm probably one of the most conservative mother fuckers you will ever meet.
I, unlike you, do not live in a world of paranoia and tin foil.
If you aren't worried about what's going on around you, or you're just not paying enough attention, who cares what your political thoughts are?
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So when are you going to expatriate yourself Johnny? Since everyone in any kind of authority position is out to get you, you should just take your ball and go home.
i am home.
why do people like you say this all the time? i'm not the one trying to change this country to socialism.
the people who want socialism and big govt nanny should move to a country that already does it. and be poor slaves there.
this country was founded the way i want it, end of story
Since "people like me" say this all the time, perhaps that is a hint at something.
And before you go into your usual "Your a sheep", "BAAAAA BAAAAAA BAAAAA", I'm probably one of the most conservative mother fuckers you will ever meet.
I, unlike you, do not live in a world of paranoia and tin foil.
+1
When I met Ntrain2k he was wearing an aluminum foil hat. We had a long, involved discussion about the inadequacies of tin. I vouch for him completely.
ROFL!
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And before you go into your usual "Your a sheep", "BAAAAA BAAAAAA BAAAAA", I'm probably one of the most conservative mother fuckers you will ever meet.
I, unlike you, do not live in a world of paranoia and tin foil.
If you aren't worried about what's going on around you, or you're just not paying enough attention, who cares what your political thoughts are?
I do worry about what is going on around me and I pay rather good attention. I choose to get involved and assist in local politics for those who I feel represent me in the way I feel is intended. I do not "blame the man" for everything at every possible opportunity. I choose to actually do something about it.
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Glad I could bring some humor to this thread.
I really don't see how it's possible to educate the masses when the average person (teacher) is a moron. With how the average parent has even less education than the average moron teacher, home schooling is even more of a failure - I can't tell you how many fundie's I've met who were taught to read a bible but can't calculate the change from buying a loaf of bread with a $5 bill.
What do we do now? Because I can't fucking stand all of you idiots populating my world.
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Good analogy.
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Glad I could bring some humor to this thread.
I really don't see how it's possible to educate the masses when the average person (teacher) is a moron. With how the average parent has even less education than the average moron teacher, home schooling is even more of a failure - I can't tell you how many fundie's I've met who were taught to read a bible but can't calculate the change from buying a loaf of bread with a $5 bill.
What do we do now? Because I can't fucking stand all of you idiots populating my world.
Stupid virus.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091114/ap_on_bi_ge/us_medicare_fraud (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091114/ap_on_bi_ge/us_medicare_fraud)
Govt: Medicare paid $47 billion in suspect claims
WASHINGTON – The government paid more than $47 billion in questionable Medicare claims including medical treatment showing little relation to a patient's condition, wasting taxpayer dollars at a rate nearly three times the previous year.
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A government run program that wastes taxpayer money!!!
People that abuse the system!!!!
OMG, what a revelation!!!!
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ya totally, lets make another program to solve this problem