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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: speedjunky01 on November 22, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
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http://www.connpost.com/ci_13807681 (http://www.connpost.com/ci_13807681)
words cannot describe how pissed this makes me, loading up on 762 the minute i turn 21
also suspended with FUCKING PAY aka vacation after blatantly murdering two people, WTF is this world coming to?
they also "found" some pot in the car, but have yet to release the vehicles to private investigators
what a crock of shit
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thats certainly fucked up...but why the hell did they turn in front of him?
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They probably expected cars in a 40mph zone to not be doing 75.
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They probably expected cars in a 40mph zone to not be doing 75.
the dash cam car was doing 72, the other car
9-mother fucking-4
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thats so lame
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wow, he completley plowed right into that car. that poor couple probly didnt even see it coming
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wow, he completley plowed right into that car. that poor couple probly didnt even see it coming
traveling at what 140ish feet/second
check left side, right, left agiain... taking 2 seconds to turn your head he was 250-350 feet away when they started moving. . . not ever seeing a car moving towards you at almost 100mph they misjudge, like anyone would, how soon it WILL come up and thats about it. . .
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ive never had a problem judging how fast an oncoming car is travelling when taking a left turn. beside the point if he was really doing 94 which is believeable considering how fast he flew by the car that was going 70 then hes definatley gonna do some time for that.
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That's the kind of behavior that is normally reserved for stupid teenagers to get busted by police for. 94mph on that road, holy shit. I'm not one to talk, I've done my share of stupid shit, but I dont do anything around other cars.
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boston post road is multiple lanes/ business area. ive been on that road a hundred times people always do 60+ on that road. 90+ is pretty excessive though.
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They probably expected cars in a 40mph zone to not be doing 95.
Fucking fry the jackbooted thugs.
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90+ is pretty excessive though.
especially with out lights and sirens.
I have no problem with law enforcement speeding, if they have the lights and sounds to let everyone know to get the fuck out of the way. what REALLY pisses me off, and this just proves my point, is when they are flying like a bat out of hell and don't have shit turned on. Without the lights and sirens, they are not an emergency vehicle and shouldn't speed just like any one of us. How many times has a cop passed you on the interstate and you had NO idea they were the po-po until they were right beside you. People can't constantly be on the look out for speeding cop cars and even if they are, they might not be able to identify them. They abuse their privelages and now two teens are dead because of it. They don't deserve to break the law any more than we do.
/rant
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
Might be a bit of a news flash for you, but, Obongo does in fact have America turning more socialist than mother Russia, its making Canada look like a bunch of right wing extremists.
And its not my personal lack of personal responsibility that brings me to my thoughts of this accident, quite the opposite. Had this been myself in the seat of the car I simply would have not turned into the speeding car, its simple. Are you guys really serious when you say the officer is in complete fault here? If you lack depth perception, quick thinking and math skills, you should wait until all cars have passed before you make your left hand turn across a road with oncoming traffic.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
Might be a bit of a news flash for you, but, Obongo does in fact have America turning more socialist than mother Russia, its making Canada look like a bunch of right wing extremists.
And its not my personal lack of personal responsibility that brings me to my thoughts of this accident, quite the opposite. Had this been myself in the seat of the car I simply would have not turned into the speeding car, its simple. Are you guys really serious when you say the officer is in complete fault here? If you lack depth perception, quick thinking and math skills, you should wait until all cars have passed before you make your left hand turn across a road with oncoming traffic.
Without said skills, hopw do you judge when it is safe? There's a Catch-22 in your logic, dude. And THAT's why you don't do 95 mph where there are sudden turnnoffs.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
Might be a bit of a news flash for you, but, Obongo does in fact have America turning more socialist than mother Russia, its making Canada look like a bunch of right wing extremists.
And its not my personal lack of personal responsibility that brings me to my thoughts of this accident, quite the opposite. Had this been myself in the seat of the car I simply would have not turned into the speeding car, its simple. Are you guys really serious when you say the officer is in complete fault here? If you lack depth perception, quick thinking and math skills, you should wait until all cars have passed before you make your left hand turn across a road with oncoming traffic.
Without said skills, hopw do you judge when it is safe? There's a Catch-22 in your logic, dude. And THAT's why you don't do 95 mph where there are sudden turnnoffs.
Incorrect, what I posted was detailed for a reason, please re read the portion in the second paragraph, last sentence, after the last comma.
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Dumbass cop shouldnt have been going that speed without his lights on. Driver should have judged cops speed better, but this is the cops fault, plain and simple.
What if it were the other way around, with 2 hondas with one flying by the other at 90+, hitting a cop making a turn.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
Might be a bit of a news flash for you, but, Obongo does in fact have America turning more socialist than mother Russia, its making Canada look like a bunch of right wing extremists.
And its not my personal lack of personal responsibility that brings me to my thoughts of this accident, quite the opposite. Had this been myself in the seat of the car I simply would have not turned into the speeding car, its simple. Are you guys really serious when you say the officer is in complete fault here? If you lack depth perception, quick thinking and math skills, you should wait until all cars have passed before you make your left hand turn across a road with oncoming traffic.
You're a fucking tard if you want to blame them. Who knows why they decided to turn; fact is it doesn't matter. They were 100% legal and within distance to make the turn. The cop was traveling at a high rate of speed that is hard to judge at night . Don't place any blame on them; the cops sorry ass is completely to blame.
"Anderson has been charged by State Police with two counts of second-degree manslaughter in the teens' deaths."
This is bullshit. If it was on the other hand and those two kids were flying and hit the cop they would have been charged with murder. I hope someone slits this dumbasses throat in jail.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
Might be a bit of a news flash for you, but, Obongo does in fact have America turning more socialist than mother Russia, its making Canada look like a bunch of right wing extremists.
And its not my personal lack of personal responsibility that brings me to my thoughts of this accident, quite the opposite. Had this been myself in the seat of the car I simply would have not turned into the speeding car, its simple. Are you guys really serious when you say the officer is in complete fault here? If you lack depth perception, quick thinking and math skills, you should wait until all cars have passed before you make your left hand turn across a road with oncoming traffic.
Without said skills, hopw do you judge when it is safe? There's a Catch-22 in your logic, dude. And THAT's why you don't do 95 mph where there are sudden turnnoffs.
Incorrect, what I posted was detailed for a reason, please re read the portion in the second paragraph, last sentence, after the last comma.
Sir, let me explain to you why you are wrong.
It isn't that the people iin question lacked the cognitive skills you listed, they lacked the meta-cognitive function that those skills are based on. They have no frame of referrence from which to discern when it is safe to, or not to, go. You are asking the blind to see.
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Dumbass cop shouldnt have been going that speed without his lights on. Driver should have judged cops speed better, but this is the cops fault, plain and simple.
What if it were the other way around, with 2 hondas with one flying by the other at 90+, hitting a cop making a turn.
When making a left hand turn across a roadway with oncoming traffic you are supposed to wait until it is safe to cross, the drivers CHOICE to save a few seconds of time to turn ahead of the oncoming vehicle was a poor choice, sure you can argue the issue was compounded by the excessive speed of the officer, but that does not negate from the main issue of the now deceased drivers decision to cross the street when he was not capable of determining if it was safe to cross the street or not. IF you are not capable of determining this you are supposed to wait until all traffic has cleared. This is something anyone in a first world country would have learned in their drivers education book pre licensing.
You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
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I guess its a bummer and all but it doesn't look like the kids turning had their signal on and there is no reason they couldn't have seen that car coming.
next time you turn left infront of someone and say to yourself, "self, I thnk I can beat this car" remember that you are using the hundreds of times before that you have done this that the car wasn't traveling 90 plus.
people make mistakes while driving. it happens to everyone. speeding like that is NOT a mistake
I have a thing called depth perception, perhaps you do not?
Like most women, the ones who drive your kids around 80% of the time, onlyflash944 has no depth perception.
BTW, I had forgotten what a prollonged exposure to a socialist country did to one's sense of personal responsability.
Might be a bit of a news flash for you, but, Obongo does in fact have America turning more socialist than mother Russia, its making Canada look like a bunch of right wing extremists.
And its not my personal lack of personal responsibility that brings me to my thoughts of this accident, quite the opposite. Had this been myself in the seat of the car I simply would have not turned into the speeding car, its simple. Are you guys really serious when you say the officer is in complete fault here? If you lack depth perception, quick thinking and math skills, you should wait until all cars have passed before you make your left hand turn across a road with oncoming traffic.
Without said skills, hopw do you judge when it is safe? There's a Catch-22 in your logic, dude. And THAT's why you don't do 95 mph where there are sudden turnnoffs.
Incorrect, what I posted was detailed for a reason, please re read the portion in the second paragraph, last sentence, after the last comma.
Sir, let me explain to you why you are wrong.
It isn't that the people iin question lacked the cognitive skills you listed, they lacked the meta-cognitive function that those skills are based on. They have no frame of referrence from which to discern when it is safe to, or not to, go. You are asking the blind to see.
No, they could have waited until there was not any oncoming traffic, they chose otherwise and the result was fatal. Its too bad I suppose, but shit happens.
And before I get flack for the last comment I made in my previous post, are any of you really ignorant enough to think that you would have heard about this incident had the officer been a civilian?
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Dumbass cop shouldnt have been going that speed without his lights on. Driver should have judged cops speed better, but this is the cops fault, plain and simple.
What if it were the other way around, with 2 hondas with one flying by the other at 90+, hitting a cop making a turn.
When making a left hand turn across a roadway with oncoming traffic you are supposed to wait until it is safe to cross, the drivers CHOICE to save a few seconds of time to turn ahead of the oncoming vehicle was a poor choice, sure you can argue the issue was compounded by the excessive speed of the officer, but that does not negate from the main issue of the now deceased drivers decision to cross the street when he was not capable of determining if it was safe to cross the street or not. IF you are not capable of determining this
You completely fail to understand. Sure the driver OBVIOUSLY wasn't capable of determining a large number of aspects being discussed here - what makes you think they weren't entirely confident they'd made the correct choice?
You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
No, actually, I'm falling prey to my rather considerable knowledge of cognitive function and learning styles, based in no small part by a couple dozen books on the subject. I couldn't add, subtract, multiply, or divide until the seventh grade, dude. I was sitting in college calculus three years later, and it was pretty awkward when some days I wouldn't be able to do simple addition for whatever reason, because my brain was and still is flaky like that.
The subject of driving skill, and an individual's perception of their possession of it, is a classic example in texts discussing cognitive function. You don't understand what I am talking about (I lost you at meta-cognitive) and therefore you argue on the presumption that I am wrong when it is you who in fact does not know what he's talking about.
Just saying.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
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Dumbass cop shouldnt have been going that speed without his lights on. Driver should have judged cops speed better, but this is the cops fault, plain and simple.
What if it were the other way around, with 2 hondas with one flying by the other at 90+, hitting a cop making a turn.
When making a left hand turn across a roadway with oncoming traffic you are supposed to wait until it is safe to cross, the drivers CHOICE to save a few seconds of time to turn ahead of the oncoming vehicle was a poor choice, sure you can argue the issue was compounded by the excessive speed of the officer, but that does not negate from the main issue of the now deceased drivers decision to cross the street when he was not capable of determining if it was safe to cross the street or not. IF you are not capable of determining this
You completely fail to understand. Sure the driver OBVIOUSLY wasn't capable of determining a large number of aspects being discussed here - what makes you think they weren't entirely confident they'd made the correct choice?
You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
No, actually, I'm falling prey to my rather considerable knowledge of cognitive function and learning styles, based in no small part by a couple dozen books on the subject. I couldn't add, subtract, multiply, or divide until the seventh grade, dude. I was sitting in college calculus three years later, and it was pretty awkward when some days I wouldn't be able to do simple addition for whatever reason, because my brain was and still is flaky like that.
The subject of driving skill, and an individual's perception of their possession of it, is a classic example in texts discussing cognitive function. You don't understand what I am talking about (I lost you at meta-cognitive) and therefore you argue on the presumption that I am wrong when it is you who in fact does not know what he's talking about.
Just saying.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
You are so quick to cut me down because I do not acknowledge some of your off kilter comments, and also speedy to quantify the validity said comments by boosting your self worth/ego, I could make a million assumptions as to why, but won't. It would be nice if you would do the same, if you want to know if I know something, you can just ask, I'll answer your question with honesty, but to assume I lack knowledge on cognition because I do not make remarks is incorrect, I am not picking apart everything you or anyone else is saying here. I am trying to stay on topic, at least a bit ;)
Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?
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Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
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Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
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The cop was traveling at 90+mph, at 65mph the accident wouldn't have occurred, as evidence by the tape of the cop who was traveling 65mph, the car clearly had room to make the turn if the excessive speed haden't occured.
And yes the driver/passenger of the car realized they made a mistake and were in trouble. i know first hand.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.
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Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?
the only poor choice, was made by the officer. the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming.
This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned? or what about if the cop wasn't speeding. You can look at it either way. Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something. cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.
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The cop was traveling at 90+mph, at 65mph the accident wouldn't have occurred, as evidence by the tape of the cop who was traveling 65mph, the car clearly had room to make the turn if the excessive speed haden't occured.
And yes the driver/passenger of the car realized they made a mistake and were in trouble. i know first hand.
Just as much as the collision wouldn't have occurred if the driver had not pulled into the roadway with on coming traffic.
I've had a DL in both Canada and USA and in both countries the literature provided to you pre licensing states that you are not cross the roadway the unless traffic is clear.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.
The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies. I thought everyone knew that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
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Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?
the only poor choice, was made by the officer. the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming.
This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned? or what about if the cop wasn't speeding. You can look at it either way. Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something. cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.
Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.
The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies. I thought everyone knew that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.
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Less fatal. Right.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.
The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies. I thought everyone knew that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.
Its called sarcasm. I would have thought your job would have accustomed you to that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
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Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.
If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.
The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.
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Less fatal. Right.
While I would usually be with you on that bashing that stupid statement I meant to imply the likely hood of at least one of the teens surviving. All aside, we are being technical here and I was technically incorrect. You got me. I should have said there being a possibility of less fatalities.
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IMHO the driver could only see the one cop car, the speeding cop car was hidden behind it until too late.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.
The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies. I thought everyone knew that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.
Its called sarcasm. I would have thought your job would have accustomed you to that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
Still doesn't really seem all that sarcastic even after you pointed it out, meh, sorry I'm slow.
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You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.
I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,
there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast. Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.
If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.
Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??
I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.
Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live. Cop is ccriminally negligent.
Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?
Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you. You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button. :evil:
Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad ;) A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?
Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.
Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.
The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies. I thought everyone knew that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.
Its called sarcasm. I would have thought your job would have accustomed you to that. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
Still doesn't really seem all that sarcastic even after you pointed it out, meh, sorry I'm slow.
Yes, its true. I am an ass. But I have a doctors note so its OK.
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Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.
If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.
The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.
True, if all else held the same the accident would have been avoided. But if we are talking about altering the reality of the situation, who is to say the teens wouldn't have made a poor choice in turning in front of someone going the speed limit. Hell these kids could have very likely been under the influence.
The cop should most definitely be held to the same standard as anyone else and if anything more severely punished.
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Less fatal. Right.
While I would usually be with you on that bashing that stupid statement I meant to imply the likely hood of at least one of the teens surviving. All aside, we are being technical here and I was technically incorrect. You got me. I should have said there being a possibility of less fatalities.
Have you ever been in, or witnessed, an accident where someone is t-boned like that? If speed limits were obeyed, in most cars made after 1990 those kids would have survived FACT. A police cruiser isn't some jacked up steel bumper truck, it impacted directly in the door bar where the car is designed to withstand a hard impact - everything else is crumple zones in the cruiser.
FYI, Raymond McDade survived (after 3 weeks in the hospital) being T-bones by Officer Spears of the APD, uhm, 14 years ago? Officer Spears was doing 88 in a 30 mph zone (no lights no siren) and came up over a blind hill after Raymond had started to pull out. Justin Boring, in the passenger seat, lightly fractured his left arm and was able to get out of the car before the cop got out of his. Same exact impact as the one in the video linked to in the first post.
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Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?
the only poor choice, was made by the officer. the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming.
This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned? or what about if the cop wasn't speeding. You can look at it either way. Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something. cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.
Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
look, i can argue till i'm blue in the face and it might not do any good. so if you continue to feel that the driver "pulled out infront of a vehicle that was going way over the speed limit, so it's the car making the turn's fault" then thats fine. maybe you're right. maybe not.
but i'm going to try to get you to understand where i'm comming from (which is probably a waste of my time). I don't know about you, but right now, I drive a bus for a living. Sure its only 15-20 hours a week, but thats a lot of seat time. Personally, the majority of the time when I make a left hand turn across oncomming traffic, I look to see how big of a hole there is. Not the closing speed of the closest car. I'm guessing the driver did too. The space between the intersection and the cop car would have been MORE than enough space to safely make the turn had the cop been going the speed limit. Now re-read until you at least comprehend what I'm saying. I didn't say re-read till you agree with me.
Now some information to support my theory of people not looking at speeds. Everyone in town thinks 40 foot, 37,000 lb busses are slow. Know how I know? On a DAILY basis, someone pulls out infront of me while I'm doing the speed limit. People think, "here comes a big bus, I bet it's going slow so I can beat it." They take it for granted that I must be slow because I'm a big vehicle. Of course I have to slow down to keep from hitting them, but I'm willing to bet they do not take the time to accurately assess the bus' true speed before pulling out. This is what happened to the driver of the car. They saw they had plenty of room to make the turn for the space given and for the oncoming car traveling at a resonable speed. So they proceded to make the turn, oblivious to the fact that the cop was going over 90 without lights and sirens. You want to blame the teens driving? Go ahead, all they did was take something for granted. The fact is that the cop was speeding like hell, and didn't have lights and sirens on to alert others of his speed. If they had been on, we woudln't even have this thread. cop is at fault, end-of-story
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Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.
If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.
The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.
EXACTLY.
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Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.
If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.
The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.
EXACTLY.
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clearly it is the cops fault just based on speed like stated earlier.
something like this happened local last summer. Some retard on a motorcycle was doing wheelies and rippin down a busy street in town, a 15yr old girl in here dads escalade pulled out from a side street and blam the dude face first blasts the drivers car door killing him instantly. she gets out and runs away after seeing his brain goo covering everything for 20 feet.
He was going like 60-75 mph in a 30mph zone and she had judged it to be safe based on the amount of room, not taking into account the speed of the doushe on the bike. she was blamed at the begining based on her lack of experience and age... yadda yadda yadda. It wasn't untill liek 50 people said he was acting like a doushe and doing wheelies that everyone agreed it was his fault.
So again take into account the speed factor and the cop is toast.
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people should band together and string em up
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I T-boned a police cruiser going around 65 in my old civic, the officer and his passenger were completely uninjured, as was i. So based on my own experience, i would say the officers speeding is completely to blame for there deaths.
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look, i can argue till i'm blue in the face and it might not do any good. so if you continue to feel that the driver "pulled out infront of a vehicle that was going way over the speed limit, so it's the car making the turn's fault" then thats fine. maybe you're right. maybe not.
but i'm going to try to get you to understand where i'm comming from (which is probably a waste of my time). I don't know about you, but right now, I drive a bus for a living. Sure its only 15-20 hours a week, but thats a lot of seat time. Personally, the majority of the time when I make a left hand turn across oncomming traffic, I look to see how big of a hole there is. Not the closing speed of the closest car. I'm guessing the driver did too. The space between the intersection and the cop car would have been MORE than enough space to safely make the turn had the cop been going the speed limit. Now re-read until you at least comprehend what I'm saying. I didn't say re-read till you agree with me.
Now some information to support my theory of people not looking at speeds. Everyone in town thinks 40 foot, 37,000 lb busses are slow. Know how I know? On a DAILY basis, someone pulls out infront of me while I'm doing the speed limit. People think, "here comes a big bus, I bet it's going slow so I can beat it." They take it for granted that I must be slow because I'm a big vehicle. Of course I have to slow down to keep from hitting them, but I'm willing to bet they do not take the time to accurately assess the bus' true speed before pulling out. This is what happened to the driver of the car. They saw they had plenty of room to make the turn for the space given and for the oncoming car traveling at a resonable speed. So they proceded to make the turn, oblivious to the fact that the cop was going over 90 without lights and sirens. You want to blame the teens driving? Go ahead, all they did was take something for granted. The fact is that the cop was speeding like hell, and didn't have lights and sirens on to alert others of his speed. If they had been on, we woudln't even have this thread. cop is at fault, end-of-story
This.
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look at some of these pigs responses.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/ (http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/)
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look at some of these pigs responses.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/ (http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/)
Some of them are fucking cool. Others need to auto-Darwinate.
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look at some of these pigs responses.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/ (http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/)
Some of them are fucking cool. Others need to auto-Darwinate.
regardless, they're all pigs by association. i'm a member of the forum, you should see the self righteous bullshit that spews from their cock holsters.
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And you're signed up there because?
Yeah a lot of police officers are cockholsters. What do you expect? They do some dangerous shit work that generates stresses, stresses that most people aren't equipped to deal with. I daresay, even in an America more to Johnny's liking where a large swath of personal choice isn't illegalized, there aren't enough people in America capable of dealing with those stresses to do that job - ASSuming that everyone who is capable of dealing wants to be a cop.
I don't mind if a police officer is doing 10-15 mph faster than average in not-rush-hour interstate traffic, nor do I mind if they want to wear the man pants when I get pulled over (control of the situation = their personal safety). But. I do see where you are coming from - there are a large number of officers in the past and still a significant percentage of them in the present who think they are wholly exempt from the law. They need to understand that there are gross infractions for which they will have their balls nailled to a board over, like the one being discussed.
I like this officer's perspective:
Posted by elk1785 on Friday, November 20, 2009 03:45 PM Pacific Report Abuse
Big difference between 10 mph over the limit and 54 mph over the limit. Most drivers (even us cops) do not look more than a few hundred feet ahead of our vehicle when driving in the city. Why do you think defensive driving courses make such a big deal about watching farther out in front of you, one course says 12 seconds. At 40 mph 12 seconds is about 700 feet. As my previous post indicated as the girls approached the intersection and would have been looking to see if it was clear to turn, the officer was almost a thousand feet away. Even an expereinced driver most likely would not have seen the officer until it was too late.
Please don't misunderstand, I am all for driving fast (much to the dismay of my GPS tracking chain of command.) However, you must understand that when speeds get that high you cannot expect other motorists to yield to you. Even if you have your lights and siren on you are outdriving your siren, and you are moving so fast that you simply cannot expect people to react appropriately.
Basically, it is unreasonable to expect an experienced driver, much less two kids, to be able to judge the speed involved from over a thousand feet away (that's 1.5 football fields, kids) especially when as others have noted, Officer 94 mph might have been occluded by the other cruiser.
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1.5 football fields is 180 yards.. or 540 feet (counting 3 endzones)
Maybe he was refering to (soccer) fields? ;D
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90%+ cops are just straight pussies who have a cock up their ass. I have yet to be helped by a cop when I needed one. They sure as hell are there to be annoying though. Where are you when I need your assistance? Oh I know too busy writing retarded ass tickets or sitting at a closed business parking lot talking it up.
Anyone who thinks the couple is to blame is a retarded tool. Please tell me how you could possibly judge the speed/distance of a car at night, from several football fields away, and with TWO cars beaming headlights in your direction. I think EVERY cop car should be attached to GPS which is tracked and sent to some state agency they monitors police behavior. It could be tied in somehow that it would show if it was as a time of a dispatch/lights on and if those two aren't present then you are written up and ticketed. The fact is our sorry police need to be policed.
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One thing I have noticed is how they use to all have at least their parking lights on when sitting on side of the road or parking lot at night. Now they are all sitting there in the dark. I've had two cases where I dumb ass state trooper is parked across the median intersection and if I didn't see him at the last min would have plowed into him. I thought about going back a couple times and turning in slow but still hit them and then sue for creating hazardous conditions.
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Less fatal. Right.
While I would usually be with you on that bashing that stupid statement I meant to imply the likely hood of at least one of the teens surviving. All aside, we are being technical here and I was technically incorrect. You got me. I should have said there being a possibility of less fatalities.
Have you ever been in, or witnessed, an accident where someone is t-boned like that? If speed limits were obeyed, in most cars made after 1990 those kids would have survived FACT. A police cruiser isn't some jacked up steel bumper truck, it impacted directly in the door bar where the car is designed to withstand a hard impact - everything else is crumple zones in the cruiser.
FYI, Raymond McDade survived (after 3 weeks in the hospital) being T-bones by Officer Spears of the APD, uhm, 14 years ago? Officer Spears was doing 88 in a 30 mph zone (no lights no siren) and came up over a blind hill after Raymond had started to pull out. Justin Boring, in the passenger seat, lightly fractured his left arm and was able to get out of the car before the cop got out of his. Same exact impact as the one in the video linked to in the first post.
Yes I have witnessed crashes like this, also witnessed a forklift tbone, top speed of maybe 10mph, buddy that got hit knocked his head on the roll bar just the right way and died. There are too many variables in a crash to predetermine if someone will live or not. I do agree that most of the time a tbone at 45mph in relatively modern cars you are likely to survive, but, you never know.
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Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?
the only poor choice, was made by the officer. the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming.
This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned? or what about if the cop wasn't speeding. You can look at it either way. Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something. cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.
Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
look, i can argue till i'm blue in the face and it might not do any good. so if you continue to feel that the driver "pulled out infront of a vehicle that was going way over the speed limit, so it's the car making the turn's fault" then thats fine. maybe you're right. maybe not.
but i'm going to try to get you to understand where i'm comming from (which is probably a waste of my time). I don't know about you, but right now, I drive a bus for a living. Sure its only 15-20 hours a week, but thats a lot of seat time. Personally, the majority of the time when I make a left hand turn across oncomming traffic, I look to see how big of a hole there is. Not the closing speed of the closest car. I'm guessing the driver did too. The space between the intersection and the cop car would have been MORE than enough space to safely make the turn had the cop been going the speed limit. Now re-read until you at least comprehend what I'm saying. I didn't say re-read till you agree with me.
Now some information to support my theory of people not looking at speeds. Everyone in town thinks 40 foot, 37,000 lb busses are slow. Know how I know? On a DAILY basis, someone pulls out infront of me while I'm doing the speed limit. People think, "here comes a big bus, I bet it's going slow so I can beat it." They take it for granted that I must be slow because I'm a big vehicle. Of course I have to slow down to keep from hitting them, but I'm willing to bet they do not take the time to accurately assess the bus' true speed before pulling out. This is what happened to the driver of the car. They saw they had plenty of room to make the turn for the space given and for the oncoming car traveling at a resonable speed. So they proceded to make the turn, oblivious to the fact that the cop was going over 90 without lights and sirens. You want to blame the teens driving? Go ahead, all they did was take something for granted. The fact is that the cop was speeding like hell, and didn't have lights and sirens on to alert others of his speed. If they had been on, we woudln't even have this thread. cop is at fault, end-of-story
Its not that I don't understand where any of you guys are coming from, I do. But at least when I drive on the street, I am not really so much worried about myself causing an accident as I am worried about some dumbass, texting while driving, doing makeup, driving too fast and not paying attention etc running into me.
Its kind of funny, last night, not even 25 minutes after my last post driving to a friends place I nearly t boned a guy in a jeep. I was cruising through the intersection about 5-10mph over the speed limit, as I entered the intersection the light turned yellow, at this point there is a white jeep about 150 ft out of the intersection, it didn't even occur to me that someone would try to make this turn, but without fail, this guy gave it a try, and turned into my lane, I had to turn into his to miss him (keep in mind that this is all happening outside of the intersection about 30 feet) anyways he hits the raised island where the street lamps are narrowly missing the post and pitches the jeep onto two wheels.
Life is funny like that.
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Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?
the only poor choice, was made by the officer. the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming.
This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned? or what about if the cop wasn't speeding. You can look at it either way. Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something. cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.
Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.
look, i can argue till i'm blue in the face and it might not do any good. so if you continue to feel that the driver "pulled out infront of a vehicle that was going way over the speed limit, so it's the car making the turn's fault" then thats fine. maybe you're right. maybe not.
but i'm going to try to get you to understand where i'm comming from (which is probably a waste of my time). I don't know about you, but right now, I drive a bus for a living. Sure its only 15-20 hours a week, but thats a lot of seat time. Personally, the majority of the time when I make a left hand turn across oncomming traffic, I look to see how big of a hole there is. Not the closing speed of the closest car. I'm guessing the driver did too. The space between the intersection and the cop car would have been MORE than enough space to safely make the turn had the cop been going the speed limit. Now re-read until you at least comprehend what I'm saying. I didn't say re-read till you agree with me.
Now some information to support my theory of people not looking at speeds. Everyone in town thinks 40 foot, 37,000 lb busses are slow. Know how I know? On a DAILY basis, someone pulls out infront of me while I'm doing the speed limit. People think, "here comes a big bus, I bet it's going slow so I can beat it." They take it for granted that I must be slow because I'm a big vehicle. Of course I have to slow down to keep from hitting them, but I'm willing to bet they do not take the time to accurately assess the bus' true speed before pulling out. This is what happened to the driver of the car. They saw they had plenty of room to make the turn for the space given and for the oncoming car traveling at a resonable speed. So they proceded to make the turn, oblivious to the fact that the cop was going over 90 without lights and sirens. You want to blame the teens driving? Go ahead, all they did was take something for granted. The fact is that the cop was speeding like hell, and didn't have lights and sirens on to alert others of his speed. If they had been on, we woudln't even have this thread. cop is at fault, end-of-story
Its not that I don't understand where any of you guys are coming from, I do. But at least when I drive on the street, I am not really so much worried about myself causing an accident as I am worried about some dumbass, texting while driving, doing makeup, driving too fast and not paying attention etc running into me.
Its kind of funny, last night, not even 25 minutes after my last post driving to a friends place I nearly t boned a guy in a jeep. I was cruising through the intersection about 5-10mph over the speed limit, as I entered the intersection the light turned yellow, at this point there is a white jeep about 150 ft out of the intersection, it didn't even occur to me that someone would try to make this turn, but without fail, this guy gave it a try, and turned into my lane, I had to turn into his to miss him (keep in mind that this is all happening outside of the intersection about 30 feet) anyways he hits the raised island where the street lamps are narrowly missing the post and pitches the jeep onto two wheels.
Life is funny like that.
No one is saying that there aren't dumbasses that don't know how to drive. People pull out in front of people and make bad turns all the time. They are just saying in this case the cop was a long distance away which anyone, especially at night, would have perceived as safe to turn. His high rate of speed covered a large distance very quickly which most normal drivers would be unable to judge.
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has anyone mentioned they found weed in the car???????
I bet it was the cops :)
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has anyone mentioned they found weed in the car???????
I bet it was the cops :)
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meow
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long distance + partially/mostly obstructed by the cruiser in the left
moving at a high rate of speed compared to the left hand car makes your car (the right one) hide behind the left one when viewed from the other side of the road. even if that cop had his lights on in the day time he would have been obstructed from view.. his rate of speed made him blend in with the other cruiser when viewed from the intersection. this is a tactic I've used to hide from cops sitting in the median popping radar.
The cruiser second cruiser blocking view is a poor excuse, its even more reason to sit and wait, you shouldn't cross the calle unless you have a clear view, holmes.
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long distance + partially/mostly obstructed by the cruiser in the left
moving at a high rate of speed compared to the left hand car makes your car (the right one) hide behind the left one when viewed from the other side of the road. even if that cop had his lights on in the day time he would have been obstructed from view.. his rate of speed made him blend in with the other cruiser when viewed from the intersection. this is a tactic I've used to hide from cops sitting in the median popping radar.
The cruiser second cruiser blocking view is a poor excuse, its even more reason to sit and wait, you shouldn't cross the calle unless you have a clear view, holmes.
A clear view of the car you can't see and didn't know was comming at 90+?
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all cops are criminals.
the cop is entirely at fault... STRING HIM UP
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has anyone mentioned they found weed in the car???????
I bet it was the cops :)
LEO's would never do something like that. they are objective and loyal to the truth.
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long distance + partially/mostly obstructed by the cruiser in the left
moving at a high rate of speed compared to the left hand car makes your car (the right one) hide behind the left one when viewed from the other side of the road. even if that cop had his lights on in the day time he would have been obstructed from view.. his rate of speed made him blend in with the other cruiser when viewed from the intersection. this is a tactic I've used to hide from cops sitting in the median popping radar.
The cruiser second cruiser blocking view is a poor excuse, its even more reason to sit and wait, you shouldn't cross the calle unless you have a clear view, holmes.
A clear view of the car you can't see and didn't know was comming at 90+?
Check the middle of my last sentence. Its what you are supposed to do.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
The imbecile scores a point against Passenger. Impressive.
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has anyone mentioned they found weed in the car???????
I bet it was the cops :)
"Although police found a small amount of marijuana in the couple's car, a toxicology report found no traces of the drug in their blood, Halloran said."
yep, they had a dimebag, but had none in their system? must've been their first bag. yeah fucking right.
shitbag cop planted it. fucking disgusting.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Actually yes, you would have to be a complete dumbass to make a left hand turn across a 2 lane roadway with a vehicle in your nearest lane. Of course you can't see, that is why you wait. IF you were to repeat this scenario and everyone was doing the speed limit, and you turned anyways, YOU would be the cause of the accident, not the hidden vehicle. You are responsible for waiting until it is safe to turn, if something is blocking your vision to guarantee there is no one coming you are required to wait.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
The imbecile scores a point against Passenger. Impressive.
Hardly
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Actually yes, you would have to be a complete dumbass to make a left hand turn across a 2 lane roadway with a vehicle in your nearest lane. Of course you can't see, that is why you wait. IF you were to repeat this scenario and everyone was doing the speed limit, and you turned anyways, YOU would be the cause of the accident, not the hidden vehicle. You are responsible for waiting until it is safe to turn, if something is blocking your vision to guarantee there is no one coming you are required to wait.
the speed limit is there for this specific reason. if the pig would have been doing it, the teens could and would have made it across. because the pig chose to break the law and have wanton disregard for the very public he was sworn to protect, there are 2 dead kids.
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all cops are criminals.
Did anyone not see that coming?
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
it's not a matter of cop hating drama. if the cop had been doing the speed limit, this wouldn't have happened.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
it's not a matter of cop hating drama. if the cop had been doing the speed limit, this wouldn't have happened.
this wouldn't have happened if:
a- cop would have been doing speed limit, had his lights on, been at the donut shop, etc.
b- kids would have been paying attention and driving defensively.
So while you can easily blame either party involved, either COULD have prevented it. I 100% agree the cop fucked up, and I hope they throw the book at him.
I guess my only point is the driver was not helpless, and the wreck was not inevitable.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
it's not a matter of cop hating drama. if the cop had been doing the speed limit, this wouldn't have happened.
this wouldn't have happened if:
a- cop would have been doing speed limit, had his lights on, been at the donut shop, etc.
b- kids would have been paying attention and driving defensively.
So while you can easily blame either party involved, either COULD have prevented it. I 100% agree the cop fucked up, and I hope they throw the book at him.
I guess my only point is the driver was not helpless, and the wreck was not inevitable.
i agree, but if blame must be placed, and i've yet to hear of an accident where both parties got off scott free, you have to point the finger at the cop going way to fast, not the driver who had plenty of room to make a turn if on comming traffic is even doing something close to the speed limit.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
it's not a matter of cop hating drama. if the cop had been doing the speed limit, this wouldn't have happened.
this wouldn't have happened if:
a- cop would have been doing speed limit, had his lights on, been at the donut shop, etc.
b- kids would have been paying attention and driving defensively.
So while you can easily blame either party involved, either COULD have prevented it. I 100% agree the cop fucked up, and I hope they throw the book at him.
I guess my only point is the driver was not helpless, and the wreck was not inevitable.
i agree, but if blame must be placed, and i've yet to hear of an accident where both parties got off scott free, you have to point the finger at the cop going way to fast, not the driver who had plenty of room to make a turn if on comming traffic is even doing something close to the speed limit.
Good thing we don't live in a world where we have all or nothing.
Clearly the cop should have been traveling at a more reasonable speed and had his lights/siren on. Because of this, he deserves a suspended license(5+ years seems reasonable), major fines, and lots and lots of community service. 1-5 years in jail also seems appropriate.
As for the other driver, obviously they weren't a good/great driver. It's pretty clear that no one else is on that road and as a result, they could have waited for the 2 cars to pass by before making the turn. Forget the depth perception argument. Although it is completely valid, I'd rather take the argument that the driver should have seen 2 cars approaching(possibly cop cars) at a reasonable pace on an empty road and since no one was behind said cars, wait the 30 seconds, and turn after the other cars passed. The driver who got killed obviously didn't do anything illegal, but did not use great judgement.
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pathetic, are you guys so brainwashed you would actually defend this scumbag? utterly pathetic.
if one of us did that we'd be in jail. with manslaughter MINIMUM.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
it's not a matter of cop hating drama. if the cop had been doing the speed limit, this wouldn't have happened.
this wouldn't have happened if:
a- cop would have been doing speed limit, had his lights on, been at the donut shop, etc.
b- kids would have been paying attention and driving defensively.
So while you can easily blame either party involved, either COULD have prevented it. I 100% agree the cop fucked up, and I hope they throw the book at him.
I guess my only point is the driver was not helpless, and the wreck was not inevitable.
i agree, but if blame must be placed, and i've yet to hear of an accident where both parties got off scott free, you have to point the finger at the cop going way to fast, not the driver who had plenty of room to make a turn if on comming traffic is even doing something close to the speed limit.
Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
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retarded logic.
so it'd still be the kids fault if he was going 180mph??? he should know when its safe to turn or not
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pathetic, are you guys so brainwashed you would actually defend this scumbag? utterly pathetic.
if one of us did that we'd be in jail. with manslaughter MINIMUM.
one of the few times im going to agree with Johnny
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retarded logic.
so it'd still be the kids fault if he was going 180mph??? he should know when its safe to turn or not
Absolutely, if I drive my auto onto a set of train tracks when a train is coming, but I think I can beat it, and don't, is it the trains fault?
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retarded logic.
so it'd still be the kids fault if he was going 180mph??? he should know when its safe to turn or not
Absolutely, if I drive my auto onto a set of train tracks when a train is coming, but I think I can beat it, and don't, is it the trains fault?
90+mph is NOT REASONABLE on that road.
im sure you would feel different is it was your wife or gf (or bf most likely) in this situation.
maybe one day some scumbag little tyrant will recklessly and totally unnecessarily ruin your life and they'll say its your fault, and we'll all laugh.
i can't think of one single reason a cop should be driving 90mph with lights or without, siren too. there is no reason. there could be a guy going on a rampage shooting people and he still shouldn't drive 90mph on that road. they don't do anything when they get to places anyways. there is absolutely NO reason for him to drive 90+ on that road.
if i did what he did, i'm be sitting in jail. fuck cops and their "in performance of their duties" immunities.
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retarded logic.
so it'd still be the kids fault if he was going 180mph??? he should know when its safe to turn or not
Absolutely, if I drive my auto onto a set of train tracks when a train is coming, but I think I can beat it, and don't, is it the trains fault?
90+mph is NOT REASONABLE on that road.
im sure you would feel different is it was your wife or gf (or bf most likely) in this situation.
maybe one day some scumbag little tyrant will recklessly and totally unnecessarily ruin your life and they'll say its your fault, and we'll all laugh.
i can't think of one single reason a cop should be driving 90mph with lights or without, siren too. there is no reason. there could be a guy going on a rampage shooting people and he still shouldn't drive 90mph on that road. they don't do anything when they get to places anyways. there is absolutely NO reason for him to drive 90+ on that road.
if i did what he did, i'm be sitting in jail. fuck cops and their "in performance of their duties" immunities.
You didn't answer my question.
My opinion would not change if it was someone I cared about, you can ask my friends, I care, but if you do something dumb, I do not feel sympathy, and yes, I have had friends die from poor decision making. I don't feel bad for them, they darwinated themselves out of society.
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This isn't black and white. There are many factors at play and while the cop was in the wrong they are not solely responsible. The Teenage driver is also partially at fault.
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The cop shouldn't have been driving so fast on that road. If he had been traveling at a reasonable speed ,or if he was a good driver he would have seen the car slowing down in the turn lane ahead and then slowed down himself and planned to swerve left to miss the car that was obviously getting ready to turn. Just a lift of the right foot and a steady nudge of the wheel to the left he would have missed the kids in the car.
The girl driving the car shouldn't have pulled out infront of him. People speed all the time if you can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle you really shouldn't be driving.
If the girl had paid attention and waited three seconds she'd be alive right now. IMO she pulled infront of a speeding car and died she made the wrong descision no matter how you look at it. Out on the road you never know what your going to see. All of us that are good drivers encounter that same scenario regularly but we look ahead and and plan ahead then decide not pull out infront of a police cruiser thats doing 94mph.
I have a way differant perspective on the world and people then most other people the way I see it that cop made a poor descision and shouldn't have been going that fast but mainly he should have been paying attention rather then doing a ricer fly by and laughing thinking about how cool he was for passing his buddy. Hopefully he learns from it and lives a better life the two kids are already dead theirs nothing to be done for them. Maybe the dipshit in the cop car can go on and be a little smarter next time.
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So sit and wait for the thing you can't even see? What? So the next time I'm at a light and I see a car I can beat and I go but there is someone going 94 miles an hour that comes flying out from behind them it's my fault when I get t-boned? I had no idea it was there even though I was looking directly at it. Yeah.. ok.. that makes sense it's no fault at all of the person driving nearly 2.5x the speed limit.
Well, I wouldn't ASSume there's nobody behind/beside the other car, especially if it's a big truck of SUV. I'm sure 99% of the time there isn't a speeding car passing the one I can see, but you never know. I know most people just assume it's safe and go, but I don't make assumptions like that when driving. I'll catch the next light or whatever. I don't do something if I don't KNOW it's safe. But I'm a very defensive driver. You might get it right guessing most of the time, but you'll never get it right 100.000000% of the time, and who's fault it is don't matter when you're dead.
Well at least someone gets it. I am hoping the reasoning behind the others ignorance is getting caught up in cop hating drama, and not the fact they are actually too stupid to understand this.
it's not a matter of cop hating drama. if the cop had been doing the speed limit, this wouldn't have happened.
this wouldn't have happened if:
a- cop would have been doing speed limit, had his lights on, been at the donut shop, etc.
b- kids would have been paying attention and driving defensively.
So while you can easily blame either party involved, either COULD have prevented it. I 100% agree the cop fucked up, and I hope they throw the book at him.
I guess my only point is the driver was not helpless, and the wreck was not inevitable.
i agree, but if blame must be placed, and i've yet to hear of an accident where both parties got off scott free, you have to point the finger at the cop going way to fast, not the driver who had plenty of room to make a turn if on comming traffic is even doing something close to the speed limit.
Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
That's fucking ignorant. So please do tell me when it is safe to turn? I'm pretty sure over 1000 ft away would be considered safe. So what if cars are coming down the road two miles a way I should wait because they might be doing 300mph? The plain and simple fact is that turn WOULD have been 100% safe if the dumb ass cop wasn't speeding. Now if the cop was doing the speed limit and it happened then blame would be on the other car.
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This isn't black and white. There are many factors at play and while the cop was in the wrong they are not solely responsible. The Teenage driver is also partially at fault.
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It is always automatically your fault for turning into oncoming traffic regardless if the officer was going 700mph. Its still your fault. In this case perhaps; Obama is stealing Johnny's money and giving it to the welfare system to help subsidized healthcare scandals. So Obama is to blame.
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I'd have to do some math, but using the photo cars speed readout, the faster cop car was NOT going 94 mph.
24 mph = 35 fps difference in speed, 3-4 seconds after the killer cop passed the photo cop, didn't look like he was 105-140 feet in front during a ricer flyby.
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There is an alarming amount of people with not only a lack of trouble shooting skills, but a serious lack depth perception, the latter being something I thought the majority of the population had. How common is it for people to lack depth perception?
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Fault asside, i learned ''brake and avoid'' before i was 17. how come this cop didn't?
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There is an alarming amount of people with not only a lack of trouble shooting skills, but a serious lack depth perception, the latter being something I thought the majority of the population had. How common is it for people to lack depth perception?
I thought the only people without depth perception were people that were missing an eye? However people that lack proper judgement... well when I think about that I just get depressed.
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There is an alarming amount of people with not only a lack of trouble shooting skills, but a serious lack depth perception, the latter being something I thought the majority of the population had. How common is it for people to lack depth perception?
I thought the only people without depth perception were people that were missing an eye? However people that lack proper judgement... well when I think about that I just get depressed.
I thought so too, but look at how many people in this thread that have expressed how it is impossible to have depth perception, either there is a large population of one eyed hotrex types here, or an abundance of retards.
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nope, you're right, the cop should get a speeding ticket and go back to work
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Officer slams dude through window (http://www.break.com/index/officer-slams-dude-through-window.html#TellAFriendhttp://stats.break.com/invoke.txt)
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nope, you're right, the cop should get a speeding ticket and go back to work
Speeding ticket, fine for lack of sirens, get back to fucking work.
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what punishment do you think a person who is not a cop should get for that?
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http://www.connpost.com/ci_13807681 (http://www.connpost.com/ci_13807681)
words cannot describe how pissed this makes me, loading up on 762 the minute i turn 21
also suspended with FUCKING PAY aka vacation after blatantly murdering two people, WTF is this world coming to?
they also "found" some pot in the car, but have yet to release the vehicles to private investigators
what a crock of shit
Those cops are lucky they don't have the same laws as Cali - they'd have crushed that other cruiser by now!
Seriously though, who gives a fuck what they found in the car. That gives them no right to A) kill them, B) let that skanky fucker off the hook just because he's a cop. What's worse than a cop killer? A BABY KILLER.
BTW I've had an issue where I was going 10 above posted speed, and some1 illegally cut across 2 lanes to get in front of me. Because I was speeding, the state law said I was at fault. The other person could have been a recent jail escapee w/o any license and just convicted of a triple homicide - and it would still have been my fauly. However, since no1 could prove my speed, I was safe. Those cops not only have video of that shit, but calibrated & certified speedo's. They're beyond fucked, and if not, I would vote not guilty if those people's parents/families decided to lynch the motherfuckers.
BTW2 Even if the kids were at fault, that does not let the cop off for killing them. They'd just be at fault for shit like wreckless driving - which does not exonerate another person from killing a human. At the very least, that's 2 cases of unintentional manslaughter. It doesn't matter if someone throws themself at the butter knife in your hand and they die, it's manslaughter.
BTW3 My inlaw is a cop, and says in Wisconsin it is illegal for them to do a PIT manuever above 45mph. It's wreckless endangerment or something. It could be Hitler himself driving the other car, and the cop would not escape punishment.
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Officer slams dude through window (http://www.break.com/index/officer-slams-dude-through-window.html#TellAFriendhttp://stats.break.com/invoke.txt)
an impreovement over shooting in the head while handcuffed
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4720466/12609242 (http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4720466/12609242)
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he didn't get shot in the head, but yea you are right
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A few things I would like to add to this discussion are:
In the province I live in, Police DO NOT need to have there lights or sirens on, to be in pursuit. I can only imagine this is to allow them to be more "undercover" while in pursuit. I do not know if this is the case where this event happened.
My final point is there always has been and always will be a double standard for police vs joe public. In having them "protect" us, we afford them liberties we as general citizens do not have ourselves. Right or wrong this is the way it is.
I know that if I honestly answer Johnny's question "what punishment do you think a person who is not a cop should get for that?" The punishment in my mind is quite different.
This is why insurance rates for people under 25 are SO much higher. It isn't so much a lack of depth perception, as it is poor driving judgment, from lack of experience. I know in the 13 years that I have had a full drivers licence, my only fender bender and the majority of my close calls were when I was 16-19 yrs old. The older I get the more cautious I become to the point I haven't even had a speeding ticket in years. I have logged nearly a million km's (all in cars and pickups), driven in 5 different countries on 3 continents. The reason I bring up my driving record is that while I have a significant amount of experience on the road, and as such I would say quite good on road judgement, put me off road or in a race car, and I fuck shit up all the time. This is mostly from a lack of seat time, and as such poor judgement.
It was poor judgement by the officer, to be travelling that rate of speed on that road, and it was poor judgement by the kid at the wheel to make the turn, when he couldn't see well, and couldn't judge the speed of the cop car well.
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wrong.
its the cop's fault entirely. police have NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU. it is NOT THEIR JOB TO PROTECT YOU.
its their job to "enforce laws". their job is to control what you do.
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Eh. Im inclined to agree with Johnny coolest guy ever with this one. From my experience most cops are so blind to the thought process of others its not even funny. Ive met exactly 2 who I wouldnt classify as "followers" and could actually think for themselves. Both are constantly at odds with their superiors.
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what punishment do you think a person who is not a cop should get for that?
The person driving straight down the road? A speeding ticket if they were speeding, if they weren't, than nothing. Those kids didn't stop to check to see if it was safe to cross the street, and they got hit, just happens that it was by a speeding car, big deal. If I jump out in the street as a pedestrian and get hit by a car am I supposed to blame it on the speeding vehicle, but not on the one doping the speed limit?
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what punishment do you think a person who is not a cop should get for that?
The person driving straight down the road? A speeding ticket if they were speeding, if they weren't, than nothing. Those kids didn't stop to check to see if it was safe to cross the street, and they got hit, just happens that it was by a speeding car, big deal. If I jump out in the street as a pedestrian and get hit by a car am I supposed to blame it on the speeding vehicle, but not on the one doping the speed limit?
so if i went 100mph down the street in front of your house and you pulled out of your driveway and i rammed into you it would just be a speeding ticket.
good too know. of course you defending your jack boot masters is totally disgusting
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what punishment do you think a person who is not a cop should get for that?
The person driving straight down the road? A speeding ticket if they were speeding, if they weren't, than nothing. Those kids didn't stop to check to see if it was safe to cross the street, and they got hit, just happens that it was by a speeding car, big deal. If I jump out in the street as a pedestrian and get hit by a car am I supposed to blame it on the speeding vehicle, but not on the one doping the speed limit?
so if i went 100mph down the street in front of your house and you pulled out of your driveway and i rammed into you it would just be a speeding ticket.
good too know. of course you defending your jack boot masters is totally disgusting
I wouldn't pull out in front of you because I check to make sure no is coming before I pull into a street with oncoming traffic, its only logical.
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wrong.
its the cop's fault entirely. police have NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU. it is NOT THEIR JOB TO PROTECT YOU.
its their job to "enforce laws". their job is to control what you do.
Let me clarify, we give them the title to "serve and protect" this is to protect society, to keep it coursing on its path, the path that was set out by the people we in a democratic society elected. (On an aside: If you don't like who is running or who was elected, run for office yourself, don't just cry about it)
Regardless of what they are protecting, we do give them certain liberties, when we put them in the position of police officer. Call me brainwashed or whatever, but I do enjoy the civilities of a well policed north america to many of the more open, but far more chaotic regions of the world.
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Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
Woah, i have no idea where you live but I live in bum-fuck Wisconsin. Even here, if i had to wait until i could not see any oncoming traffic you could NEVER make a left hand turn during the day. By the time I would wait for the car to pass another would be in sight. That's just crazy. What if there is a stoplight where the oncoming traffic is coming up a hill. You'd clearly never be able to drive on that road if you planned on taking a left turn. Yeah, every time you drive you take chances and do the best to minimize them but you can't eliminate all risk. I'd still place the blame squarely on the cop. His unneeded recklessness is, in my opinion, the only cause. Maybe the roads are just different around here.
P.S. I skipped parts of this thread so i may be off-base.
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so if i went 100mph down the street in front of your house and you pulled out of your driveway and i rammed into you it would just be a speeding ticket.
Passenger, would you be willing to admit you were majority at fault in that situation, even if the guy was doing 150mph and drinking? :?:
Even if the guy was doing 150mph and crested the hill while you were just switching from reverse to 1st??? FYI it's a double-edged sword if you say you'd never reverse into a street - that means you'd have previously reverse in the street to move into the driveway.
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what punishment do you think a person who is not a cop should get for that?
The person driving straight down the road? A speeding ticket if they were speeding, if they weren't, than nothing. Those kids didn't stop to check to see if it was safe to cross the street, and they got hit, just happens that it was by a speeding car, big deal. If I jump out in the street as a pedestrian and get hit by a car am I supposed to blame it on the speeding vehicle, but not on the one doping the speed limit?
so if i went 100mph down the street in front of your house and you pulled out of your driveway and i rammed into you it would just be a speeding ticket.
good too know. of course you defending your jack boot masters is totally disgusting
I wouldn't pull out in front of you because I check to make sure no is coming before I pull into a street with oncoming traffic, its only logical.
at night when i was going 3x a reasonable speed?
lets be clear, i don't htink the cop should be in jail. i think the people's families should get revenge
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so if i went 100mph down the street in front of your house and you pulled out of your driveway and i rammed into you it would just be a speeding ticket.
Passenger, would you be willing to admit you were majority at fault in that situation, even if the guy was doing 150mph and drinking? :?:
Even if the guy was doing 150mph and crested the hill while you were just switching from reverse to 1st??? FYI it's a double-edged sword if you say you'd never reverse into a street - that means you'd have previously reverse in the street to move into the driveway.
IF he was still in his own lane than yes, as I driver I hold no rights to be in his lane, I can't just pull into his lane and expect him to stop and wait for me, he has the right of way.
I have reversed into plenty of street, never been hit, done it on a hill once before as you described and had a bit of a close one, now I just park on the street because its safer, even if it means parking a ways down the road. I have zero interest in causing an accident.
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at night when i was going 3x a reasonable speed?
lets be clear, i don't htink the cop should be in jail. i think the people's families should get revenge
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I don't care if it was dark and you were doing 3X the speed and you were doing a drive by at the same time. I shouldn't be in your lane unless its safe to do so, you doing the 3x the speed limit with guns flailing is not safe.
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wrong.
its the cop's fault entirely. police have NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU. it is NOT THEIR JOB TO PROTECT YOU.
its their job to "enforce laws". their job is to control what you do.
Let me clarify, we give them the title to "serve and protect" this is to protect society, to keep it coursing on its path, the path that was set out by the people we in a democratic society elected. (On an aside: If you don't like who is running or who was elected, run for office yourself, don't just cry about it)
Regardless of what they are protecting, we do give them certain liberties, when we put them in the position of police officer. Call me brainwashed or whatever, but I do enjoy the civilities of a well policed north america to many of the more open, but far more chaotic regions of the world.
we are not a democracy.
they don't need or deserve any additional liberties than the average citizen. they were never meant to.
we live in a police state. the more chaotic regions of the world have the police and govt thugs doing the chaos.
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just admit you're an idiot.
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we are not a democracy.
they don't need or deserve any additional liberties than the average citizen. they were never meant to.
we live in a police state. the more chaotic regions of the world have the police and govt thugs doing the chaos.
LOL, you're right no one votes.
I didn't ever say they deserve them, but none the less society has afforded it to them.
I thought you said the police come to your door and hold you at gun point for your money, sounds like police / gov't thugs to me...
I maybe an idiot, but at least I am not delusional.
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Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
Woah, i have no idea where you live but I live in bum-fuck Wisconsin. Even here, if i had to wait until i could not see any oncoming traffic you could NEVER make a left hand turn during the day. By the time I would wait for the car to pass another would be in sight. That's just crazy. What if there is a stoplight where the oncoming traffic is coming up a hill. You'd clearly never be able to drive on that road if you planned on taking a left turn. Yeah, every time you drive you take chances and do the best to minimize them but you can't eliminate all risk. I'd still place the blame squarely on the cop. His unneeded recklessness is, in my opinion, the only cause. Maybe the roads are just different around here.
P.S. I skipped parts of this thread so i may be off-base.
Did I say wait until you could not see any oncoming traffic? No, I didn't.
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Passenger, don't you have better things to do like cut down Levi's IC so it's not blocking his radiator?
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Passenger, don't you have better things to do like cut down Levi's IC so it's not blocking his radiator?
Lol, I'd do it if his car were here ;)
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Passenger, don't you have better things to do like cut down Levi's IC so it's not blocking his radiator?
Lol, I'd do it if his car were here ;)
I'd still like to know what you were thinking when you made those endtanks. (ASSuming you're the one who did it, your name is on it...) Point of diminishing returns comes to mind...
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Passenger, don't you have better things to do like cut down Levi's IC so it's not blocking his radiator?
Lol, I'd do it if his car were here ;)
I'd still like to know what you were thinking when you made those endtanks. (ASSuming you're the one who did it, your name is on it...) Point of diminishing returns comes to mind...
A few things, not being fucking retarded and welding on a box end tank and using a holesaw to cut an inlet was one of them, and than delusionally expecting the air to flow evenly across the core. The other was the apparent need to make 900-1000whp. Its all about minimizing pressure and balancing flow. Some people make 400whp with log manifolds some people make the same power with tubular manifolds, I'd be in the class that makes the power with the tubulars. I don't like anything being on the brink, it limits reliability, I prefer over built.
The "diminishing" returns are built overly on opinion in this matter.
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so if i went 100mph down the street in front of your house and you pulled out of your driveway and i rammed into you it would just be a speeding ticket.
FYI it's a double-edged sword if you say you'd never reverse into a street - that means you'd have previously reverse in the street to move into the driveway.
pff noob ebrake 180 kills your argument
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Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
Woah, i have no idea where you live but I live in bum-fuck Wisconsin. Even here, if i had to wait until i could not see any oncoming traffic you could NEVER make a left hand turn during the day. By the time I would wait for the car to pass another would be in sight. That's just crazy. What if there is a stoplight where the oncoming traffic is coming up a hill. You'd clearly never be able to drive on that road if you planned on taking a left turn. Yeah, every time you drive you take chances and do the best to minimize them but you can't eliminate all risk. I'd still place the blame squarely on the cop. His unneeded recklessness is, in my opinion, the only cause. Maybe the roads are just different around here.
P.S. I skipped parts of this thread so i may be off-base.
Did I say wait until you could not see any oncoming traffic? No, I didn't.
Actually you have several times. You keep saying until it is "safe" and "no oncoming traffic, wait till they pass". You sound like a media led sheep who is scared to think the cops could be wrong.
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I think if the dead girl could do it over again she wouldn't have pulled out infront of a speeding car.
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I think if the cop could do it over again he wouldn't have played ricerboi with his bff and killed a girl.
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I think if the cop could do it over again he wouldn't have played ricerboi with his bff and killed a girl.
You sure about that? The idiot probably has learned nothing as he is sitting at home on paid vacation.
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I think if the cop could do it over again he wouldn't have played ricerboi with his bff and killed a girl.
You sure about that? The idiot probably has learned nothing as he is sitting at home on paid vacation.
he deserves a vacation after those kids threw themselves in front of him. poor cop.
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Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
Woah, i have no idea where you live but I live in bum-fuck Wisconsin. Even here, if i had to wait until i could not see any oncoming traffic you could NEVER make a left hand turn during the day. By the time I would wait for the car to pass another would be in sight. That's just crazy. What if there is a stoplight where the oncoming traffic is coming up a hill. You'd clearly never be able to drive on that road if you planned on taking a left turn. Yeah, every time you drive you take chances and do the best to minimize them but you can't eliminate all risk. I'd still place the blame squarely on the cop. His unneeded recklessness is, in my opinion, the only cause. Maybe the roads are just different around here.
P.S. I skipped parts of this thread so i may be off-base.
Did I say wait until you could not see any oncoming traffic? No, I didn't.
Actually you have several times. You keep saying until it is "safe" and "no oncoming traffic, wait till they pass". You sound like a media led sheep who is scared to think the cops could be wrong.
No, not at all.
And lol, you don't have any reading comprehension either. This website is getting disgustingly socialist.
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
so what if they were drinking? the cop caused the accident
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
so what if they were drinking? the cop caused the accident
Lol, quoted purely because I am a bit surprised anyone is stupid enough to say that, but wait, you voted for the big O as well I bet.
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
so what if they were drinking? the cop caused the accident
Lol, quoted purely because I am a bit surprised anyone is stupid enough to say that, but wait, you voted for the big O as well I bet.
you're a complete joke.
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Wrong, by law you are required to WAIT until it is safe to turn left across a roadway with oncoming traffic REGARDLESS of the oncoming traffics speed. Unless of course driving laws differ on the subject for the east coast vs the west coast, I doubt they do. If you can't determine if it is safe to cross or not prepared to get hit at one point in time or another, regardless of oncoming traffic speed.
Woah, i have no idea where you live but I live in bum-fuck Wisconsin. Even here, if i had to wait until i could not see any oncoming traffic you could NEVER make a left hand turn during the day. By the time I would wait for the car to pass another would be in sight. That's just crazy. What if there is a stoplight where the oncoming traffic is coming up a hill. You'd clearly never be able to drive on that road if you planned on taking a left turn. Yeah, every time you drive you take chances and do the best to minimize them but you can't eliminate all risk. I'd still place the blame squarely on the cop. His unneeded recklessness is, in my opinion, the only cause. Maybe the roads are just different around here.
P.S. I skipped parts of this thread so i may be off-base.
Did I say wait until you could not see any oncoming traffic? No, I didn't.
Actually you have several times. You keep saying until it is "safe" and "no oncoming traffic, wait till they pass". You sound like a media led sheep who is scared to think the cops could be wrong.
No, not at all.
And lol, you don't have any reading comprehension either. This website is getting disgustingly socialist.
Please do tell good sir? Also there is a X button at the top of your page, feel free to leave if you are so disgusted.
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
show me the news report where it says the kids were drinking.
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I think if the cop could do it over again he wouldn't have played ricerboi with his bff and killed a girl.
You sure about that? The idiot probably has learned nothing as he is sitting at home on paid vacation.
...until he does jail time.
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
show me the news report where it says the kids were drinking.
http://www.connpost.com/ci_13817417 (http://www.connpost.com/ci_13817417)
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socialism has nothing to do with this. the cop caused an accident and killed two people. he has to pay for it. i think the family should take revenge personally. don't need a court for it
Lol, I guess there wouldn't be any point in you reading the related news report where the teens were drinking prior to the accident, because than you wouldn't get to hate on the cop as much ::)
show me the news report where it says the kids were drinking.
http://www.connpost.com/ci_13817417 (http://www.connpost.com/ci_13817417)
so according to one witness, they had 6 beers each in almost 4 hours (highest estimate), to the guy that saw them lose the BP game and have between 1-2 beers (low estimate)? assuming they were normal weight (180 pounds), they're still under the legal limit at .06%. i'll wait for the toxicology report.
"The power control module from the police vehicle indicated that for the nearly nine seconds leading up to the crash, Anderson "was at 100 percent of the accelerator pedal and 99.5 of the engine throttle."
yep, poor cop was doing a job and was a victim. he should get a promotion.
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Is 180lbs really considered average weight for anyone under 6ft?
That is fucking fat.
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Is 180lbs really considered average weight for anyone under 6ft?
That is fucking fat.
Wrong sir, i weigh 172 and im 5'9" and look VERY average. the other 8 pounds would not be noticed by any means if i were to pack it on.
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i'll wait for the toxicology report.
You mean the one referrenced in the first article linked to in the OP? That says the kids weren't under the influence of the weed found in the car, and didn't mention any other substances in their systems?
Something's wrong with Passenger's head and/or moral compass on this one. He's slinging mud with no insight or fact, much like Johnny does in the political idiocity threads he likes to conduct.
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i'll wait for the toxicology report.
You mean the one referrenced in the first article linked to in the OP? That says the kids weren't under the influence of the weed found in the car, and didn't mention any other substances in their systems?
Something's wrong with Passenger's head and/or moral compass on this one. He's slinging mud with no insight or fact, much like Johnny does in the political idiocity threads he likes to conduct.
yeah, i saw that too, but didn't want to open my mouth until i was sure i was right.
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Something's wrong with Passenger's head and/or moral compass on this one.
Either he is sadly ignorant/stoopid, or is just doing this to get us fired up. I've made my points, I'm done trying to argue/convince.
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Is 180lbs really considered average weight for anyone under 6ft?
That is fucking fat.
Americans have a poor perception of weight per height.
As for Passenger, I see his point and agree with a lot of what he is saying, but a lot of it is just pipe dream utopia type thinking. People are fucking retarded. As a result, rules need to be put in place to add a margin of safety. Speed limits are margins of safety. For not much more money, cars can be built to go 80mph vs 60mph. We can keep the roads the same and tell people to drive better. The reality is, the roads were designed for people traveling 60mph and if you drive 80mph turns, corners, exits, ect will not flow properly. Same thing in this situation, going 90+mph in a 65 zone throws off the flow of the road and peoples perceptions/conceptions of what reality is. As a result of the cop going way too fast, it caused an accident.
I'm not letting the other driver off the hook though. They made a bad decision making that turn. They should have waited 30 seconds. There was no one on that fucking road. They should have seen two cars coming at a decent clip, noticed no one else was coming and simply waited. They also shouldn't have gotten in the car after partying/drinking and probably were a bit drunk. Maybe legally able to operate a vehicle but off just enough to make a bad decision. I know if I'm a bit tired or had a couple, I'm legally ok to drive but I make slightly different decisions than I would of a clear mind.
Cop should be convicted of vehicular manslaughter. Should lose his licenses for a long time(5+ years), big fine, community service, and spend a year in jail. He should not lose his job. He can work a desk as far as I'm concerned. He shouldn't be in a patrol car.
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Is 180lbs really considered average weight for anyone under 6ft?
That is fucking fat.
Americans have a poor perception of weight per height.
your perception of weight/height isn't a fucking issue. the facts are that the average american male was 191 pounds in 2002, so 180 pounds was being generous.
i'm sorry, but you are wrong. if they were at .06% BAC they were over the legal limit.
i'm not sure what their BAC % was, but if it was .01 or higher they were over the legal limit.
also when i was 170 lbs @ 5'10" i was not fat at all. 190lbs was fat though. not obese or anything, but fat.
actually, it's .02 for those under 21, and that's a law of possession/consumption rather than actual intoxication or impairment, you mongoloid fuck. i thought it was obvious that i wasn't referring to whether they should recieve an MIP, but apparently i needed to spell it out. when you turn 21, your tolerance/reaction time/motor skills don't magically improve 400% overnight.
you need to stick to dollar store specials and buying shitty cars that don't run instead of yapping about shit about which you have no idea.
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Is 180lbs really considered average weight for anyone under 6ft?
That is fucking fat.
Wrong sir, i weigh 172 and im 5'9" and look VERY average. the other 8 pounds would not be noticed by any means if i were to pack it on.
I guess average is a perception thing, I am 5'9" and 155 and I would say I am about 10lbs over weight. The only way I can see being 170lb at my height is being a muscle head, or a fat ass. But I guess its a lot to do with the frame size of your skeleton and stuff, I dunno never really thought about it too much just jumped out to me as being a bit much.
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I liked 145 @ 5'10" best, anything else is loose skin. At 180 I'm a lot stronger than I ever was at 145, going to start dropping weight until I feel like I have a good mix of the two.
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also according to connecticut's dmv
You are legally intoxicated if your BAC is .08 or above. If you are under 21 years of age, you are legally intoxicated at a .02 BAC or higher.
.02 is dui not mip
fuck tard
apparently you fail to understand the difference between the two laws. .02 on the day before your 21st birthday= DUI. on your 21st birthday, .02= no DUI. it's not a matter of being impaired in the eyes of the law, it's about being underage and drinking.
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I am 5'9" and 155 and I would say I am about 10lbs over weight. The only way I can see being 170lb at my height is being a muscle head, or a fat ass
hatchbox is neither, he is actually very average looking
Cop should be convicted of vehicular manslaughter. Should lose his licenses for a long time(5+ years), big fine, community service, and spend a year in jail
agree, he should be treated like any other person in that situation
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The way I see it -- it doesn't really matter what the fuck the kids did and if they were/weren't drunk/high/whatever. The LEO was going 90-FUCKING-4mph in a 40mph zone. If the LEO was going 40mph -- or fuck, even 60mph -- the kids would have made it through the intersection, and even if they didn't they would have had a much higher chance of surviving.
I can see why the kids went anyway. The second car was possibly obscured. If it wasn't, maybe it didn't appear like two vehicles because usually looking directly at headlights you can't see much else at night. I think I have good depth-perception skillz, however I can admit that judging speed based on two "2D" lights at night as opposed to a full-sized 3D object is a bit more difficult. I doubt they expected a car to go 94mph down that road either, even if 60mph is the "normal" speed to go on that stretch. 54mph above the 40mph limit is excessive no matter how you cut it.
I've almost had an accident on the interstate, 565 west, I'm going a reasonable speed (70-80mph, speed limit 70), and want to change lanes. I look behind me, see a couple pairs of headlights in the distance. They aren't close enough to tell what lanes they're in, and I wasn't going to stare for a few seconds to try and calculate their speed...they were a far distance back and I assumed they were going a reasonable speed. I looked in my side mirror, it looked clear, so I started to put on the turn signal...and two cars fucking fly by me, one on each side. So, if I did change lane, and got nailed, it would have been my fault? They traveled a huge amount of distance between me checking the rear view mirror and side mirror, and if I hadn't spent another second or two putting on the turn signal there would have surely been a ricey mess on the highway (not my car).
The kids fucked up, they paid the price, and IMO they paid a larger price than they should have.
The cop, without any good reason, was going more than double the speed limit. Now it's his turn to pay the price for his fuck up. Part of proper driving is leaving some leeway for reacting to surprises while driving, which means not going 94mph on a public street.
Someone that is supposed to uphold the law should not be breaking it. In my opinion they have less of a right to break it, although they frequently have the opposite belief. A law-breaking cop is as bad as a virgin prostitute.
This 'kids shouldn't have went" argument is stupid.