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Title: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 18, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
I told him to use an iPod, but I feel like that's shitty advice.  Anyone know of anything?
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Robb on December 18, 2009, 03:42:24 PM
Steal blankets from the homeless.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 18, 2009, 03:46:53 PM
Peel and seal from Lowes.

Cheap and deadens like a mofo.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=154017-81326-PS625&lpage=none (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=154017-81326-PS625&lpage=none)

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Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: fysh on December 18, 2009, 03:49:03 PM
get some scrap carpet padding from a dumpster at a local carpet wholesale place. The more dense, the better.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: CSaddict on December 18, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
Line the car with dead hookers.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: chris on December 18, 2009, 04:44:50 PM
barking dogs
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 90boostdaccord on December 18, 2009, 05:17:55 PM
Line the floor with porn mags from the 70s
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: HiProfile on December 18, 2009, 06:05:56 PM
Ipod with earbuds & big fat ear muffs over them.

or

Fast exhaust e-cutout ON-CAR test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2RlSZoplw#normal)
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: hotrex on December 18, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
anis
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: BoostedSchemes on December 18, 2009, 09:24:43 PM
you can follow the josh plan and line your car with unwanted children - his mother kept her trailer warm the same way
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 97Econobox on December 18, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Steal blankets from the homeless.

Steal from the Fair skinned ones, they aren't really homeless.  they probably got mad blankets next to their digital cameras.

check facebook for pics of said blankies.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: ryan89crx on December 18, 2009, 10:38:20 PM
From VAdrama

Quote
I googled sound deadening and came across a car audio forum which recommended using "peel & seal" from lowes/home depot.  Many people stated that it was "the same thing as dynamat", and one guy even claimed that dynamat purchased this material and stamped their logo on it when their supplies got short... I was thinking "yeah, in internet everything is a conspiracy world, maybe."

Then I purchased it.
-Me, a former dynamat installer, and a body work guy all said "wow, same thing as dynamat."
-The backing is plain white, so the restamping may be valid, who knows.

Things to consider:
-Weight: Each roll (6in x 25ft) is only 4.1 lbs.  I doubt most cars that are worried about weigh would take more than 3 rolls to do.
-Price: Each roll (6in x 25ft) is $12.  That much dynamat is probably $150 or so.
-Quality: I'm VERY pleased.  It molds and sticks better than I would've imagined.

Tips:
-Go from front to rear of car in floor plans, not side-to-side.  This is obvious to some, but I learned the hard way... I had to go back over some spots on the passenger side.
-Brake cleaner is really good for cleaning your cutter afterwards.

The eye sore/candy:

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I have a feeling I'll be doing every car I own in the future with this stuff.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 92CXyD on December 19, 2009, 12:22:38 AM
From VAdrama

Quote
I googled sound deadening and came across a car audio forum which recommended using "peel & seal" from lowes/home depot.  Many people stated that it was "the same thing as dynamat", and one guy even claimed that dynamat purchased this material and stamped their logo on it when their supplies got short... I was thinking "yeah, in internet everything is a conspiracy world, maybe."

Then I purchased it.
-Me, a former dynamat installer, and a body work guy all said "wow, same thing as dynamat."
-The backing is plain white, so the restamping may be valid, who knows.

Things to consider:
-Weight: Each roll (6in x 25ft) is only 4.1 lbs.  I doubt most cars that are worried about weigh would take more than 3 rolls to do.
-Price: Each roll (6in x 25ft) is $12.  That much dynamat is probably $150 or so.
-Quality: I'm VERY pleased.  It molds and sticks better than I would've imagined.

Tips:
-Go from front to rear of car in floor plans, not side-to-side.  This is obvious to some, but I learned the hard way... I had to go back over some spots on the passenger side.
-Brake cleaner is really good for cleaning your cutter afterwards.

The eye sore/candy:

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All done:
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I have a feeling I'll be doing every car I own in the future with this stuff.

What is the cost of this stuff.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Full Spool on December 19, 2009, 12:31:39 AM
It's about 16 dollars a roll, it's water proof too! If you don't want the foil look it comes in black in the window section at lowes.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 92CXyD on December 19, 2009, 12:38:27 AM
It's about 16 dollars a roll, it's water proof too! If you don't want the foil look it comes in black in the window section at lowes.

How many rolls did it take to do the whole interior like that?
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: hotrex on December 19, 2009, 01:25:29 AM
have him drop in a set of ear plugs.  176 cents and ur golden u fuckin balding sour balls tasting  niglit
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: ryan89crx on December 19, 2009, 02:22:49 AM
Guy in the thread said 3 rolls, and that's in a Mustang
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: salesmonkey on December 19, 2009, 08:19:59 AM
id just use some ear muffs. that way you could use a mp3 player in them as well and easy to take on off. and you dont have to have the feeling of plugs in your ear. if you dont already have them there only 10-20 dollars for a decent one.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Full Spool on December 19, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
It's about 16 dollars a roll, it's water proof too! If you don't want the foil look it comes in black in the window section at lowes.

How many rolls did it take to do the whole interior like that?

I've never used it for sound damping so I wouldn't know, I use it in the construction industry for windows, flashing, etc.
Measure your interior floor and do some simple math and you can get an idea, shouldn't take more then 3 roles or so in a honda.
If you can't figure it out just give me the area of your floor and I will do the math, I don't mind.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: hatrack48 on December 19, 2009, 11:34:28 AM
and where is Evans road trip going through
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: hotrex on December 19, 2009, 12:07:12 PM
who the fuck even cares alittle about this musty pile of scrot
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: salesmonkey on December 19, 2009, 01:53:15 PM
who the fuck even cares alittle about this musty pile of scrot

im not even sure who evan is so not this guy
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: arsenio on December 19, 2009, 07:37:03 PM
Just deal with it.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: klyph on December 19, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
Driving with headphones/ear muffs is illegal, make sure your hoody is up.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: crttaz on December 20, 2009, 03:02:14 AM
Was the Hatch delivered to a new owner?
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Conceptz-X on December 20, 2009, 07:35:45 PM
ear plugs O0
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 21, 2009, 12:36:53 AM
ear plugs O0

Evan, being a man, is not bothered by a little road noise.  That hot late teenage girl he's been shacking up with, however, has her own perspective on the matter.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Vagitarian on December 21, 2009, 01:27:34 AM
Peel and seal doesnt work for shit as sound deadner, it slightly stops rattles, doesnt stick for shit on vertical surfaces though

Raamat BXT b stock ($100 for 65sq ft) should do a layer around the entire car and a roll of ensolite on the floor will do WONDERS, luxury liner pro on the floors if you can afford it
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: crttaz on December 21, 2009, 01:49:12 AM
most people here don't care about car audio.

I used too.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Vagitarian on December 21, 2009, 02:09:08 AM
He asked how to deaden the exhaust noise, I posted how to.... who said anything about car audio
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 21, 2009, 02:16:10 AM
most people here don't care about car audio.

I used too.

I like car audio.  I don't like big subwofers than unbalance the music I'm trying to listen to.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 22, 2009, 01:15:48 AM
Hi, Evan.   :)
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Eggylshatch on December 22, 2009, 01:16:13 AM
Evan is me you fuckers.  Thanks for the post/help JD.  I picked up a couple rolls of the peel n seal the other day, gonna give it a whirl.  I'll let you know how it goes.  It's gotta help a little over just the thin ass sheet metal that these civics are made of.  It's mostly the drone of road noise and exhaust echoing inside the car that make it so obnoxious.  I don't usually mind the noise, but I've got another 2200 miles to drive with the g/f in about a week.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Eggylshatch on December 22, 2009, 01:16:51 AM
Hi, Evan.   :)

That's just creepy.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 22, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Hi, Evan.   :)

That's just creepy.

I did not ask to be born the Grand Wizard of the Internet, these things just happen.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: brine04 on December 22, 2009, 02:06:49 AM
Might have to get some peel and stick for my Dodge, that old cummins sure does rattle it. It's nice to find something more affordable than fucking dynamat extreme
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: ryan89crx on December 22, 2009, 02:37:30 AM
Evan is me you fuckers.  Thanks for the post/help JD.  I picked up a couple rolls of the peel n seal the other day, gonna give it a whirl.  I'll let you know how it goes.  It's gotta help a little over just the thin ass sheet metal that these civics are made of.  It's mostly the drone of road noise and exhaust echoing inside the car that make it so obnoxious.  I don't usually mind the noise, but I've got another 2200 miles to drive with the g/f in about a week.
Make sure to post results, I'm curious as to how well it works.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: SloS13 on December 22, 2009, 10:06:38 AM
In the miata, I've got a layer of Peel-n-seal on the floor (2 layers on trans tunnel) for vibration/sound/heat and a layer of some aluminum covered bubble wrap shit for heat/some sound deadening.

You will want a heat gun if you're using the peel-n-seal
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 22, 2009, 11:08:19 AM
In the miata, I've got a layer of Peel-n-seal on the floor (2 layers on trans tunnel) for vibration/sound/heat and a layer of some aluminum covered bubble wrap shit for heat/some sound deadening.

You will want a heat gun if you're using the peel-n-seal

Yes, heat helps. Mineral spirits to clean the surface, and a roller or two helps tons also.

And, it will stick to vertical surfaces as well as roofs, regardless of what the previous person said. Prep it right and it works.

Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Vagitarian on December 23, 2009, 07:54:07 AM

Yes, heat helps. Mineral spirits to clean the surface, and a roller or two helps tons also.

And, it will stick to vertical surfaces as well as roofs, regardless of what the previous person said. Prep it right and it works.


Will it stick to roof and doors with heat, YES, will it STAY stuck to roofs and doors after a few hot and cold days... NO

Ive used it, the stuff sucks compared to a butyl based deadner, it also stinks on hot days, doesnt deaden noise worth a shit and is a general waste of time. You can spend $80 on spl tiles and a layer of ensolite and get 3X the barrier AND lasting results that wont give off fumes when in the sun
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Eggylshatch on December 23, 2009, 04:57:23 PM
well I put a little down in the hatch area basically just over the spare tire well, and it seems to have helped a bit already.  I just sprayed the metal down with brake cleaner and wiped it up well and laid the stuff down.  Vagitarian- I don't know what most of those products even are.  I'm just looking for a cheap alternative, and I think the peel n seal will work for my needs.  Not trying to turn my civic into a luxury ride, just something more bearable to drive
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: crttaz on December 23, 2009, 05:42:14 PM
Da Vag is right.......RAAMat is the shit, the owner a little weird :)
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Minor Threat on December 23, 2009, 05:59:45 PM

Yes, heat helps. Mineral spirits to clean the surface, and a roller or two helps tons also.

And, it will stick to vertical surfaces as well as roofs, regardless of what the previous person said. Prep it right and it works.


Will it stick to roof and doors with heat, YES, will it STAY stuck to roofs and doors after a few hot and cold days... NO

Ive used it, the stuff sucks compared to a butyl based deadner, it also stinks on hot days, doesnt deaden noise worth a shit and is a general waste of time. You can spend $80 on spl tiles and a layer of ensolite and get 3X the barrier AND lasting results that wont give off fumes when in the sun

Where do we get that shit then?
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 92CXyD on December 23, 2009, 06:05:50 PM

Yes, heat helps. Mineral spirits to clean the surface, and a roller or two helps tons also.

And, it will stick to vertical surfaces as well as roofs, regardless of what the previous person said. Prep it right and it works.


Will it stick to roof and doors with heat, YES, will it STAY stuck to roofs and doors after a few hot and cold days... NO

Ive used it, the stuff sucks compared to a butyl based deadner, it also stinks on hot days, doesnt deaden noise worth a shit and is a general waste of time. You can spend $80 on spl tiles and a layer of ensolite and get 3X the barrier AND lasting results that wont give off fumes when in the sun

Where do we get that shit then?

+1 I saw some sound deadening pads on Egay 10 sq. ft. for 20.00usd shipped but if there is cheaper I like to know. ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180445351391&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180445351391&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Vagitarian on December 24, 2009, 12:05:58 AM
SPL tiles are $2 a piece from second skin audio, and theyve got 20% coupons all over the net. 25-40 of those and a layer of ensolite undetr the carpet and behind the door panels and youve got ALOT quieter of a ride

Any sound deadner that is butyl based will work perfect

I just wouldnt use peel n seal again, I tried it, since Im cheap, but it fails, stinks when its hot out, and the performance in "sound deadning" is no comparisn compared to a butyl based product
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 24, 2009, 12:31:53 AM

Yes, heat helps. Mineral spirits to clean the surface, and a roller or two helps tons also.

And, it will stick to vertical surfaces as well as roofs, regardless of what the previous person said. Prep it right and it works.


Will it stick to roof and doors with heat, YES, will it STAY stuck to roofs and doors after a few hot and cold days... NO


I have 1 van, and a friend who has competed at IASCA world finals for over 10 years now that say yes it will stick if applied properly.

Your fail does not translate to item fail.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 24, 2009, 12:33:40 AM

Yes, heat helps. Mineral spirits to clean the surface, and a roller or two helps tons also.

And, it will stick to vertical surfaces as well as roofs, regardless of what the previous person said. Prep it right and it works.


Will it stick to roof and doors with heat, YES, will it STAY stuck to roofs and doors after a few hot and cold days... NO


I have 1 van, and a friend who has competed at IASCA world finals for over 10 years now that say yes it will stick if applied properly.

Your fail does not translate to item fail.

Seeing as how I know you, and this other guy sucks bandwagon cock, your swearing by Peel and Seal is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 24, 2009, 12:41:02 AM
If it's just being used for road noise, I'd do 1 layer on the roof, if I even touched it at all. The majority of the noise is coming from down low.

Doors and floor will make a good difference.2 layers.

If you have a van like mine, the roof is a necessity.

I just hate seeing some vag state shit that isn't true.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 92CXyD on December 24, 2009, 12:44:16 AM
So there is no serious oder from the peel and stick pads right? :?:
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 24, 2009, 12:48:17 AM
There is an oder, but it goes away after a few days. It's a little worse then dynamat, but not terrible in my experience.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Eggylshatch on December 24, 2009, 12:49:49 AM
Mine hasn't gotten hot yet, but i've done roofing for a good few years.  Its the same shit as water and ice shield except with an aluminum sheet attached.  It smells when you first unroll it and its hot, but once its down you don't smell it anymore.  Do you ever walk outside and smell roof?  not until the earth is careening into the sun.  So I think peel and seal should be alright.  The stuff I found in the lowes near me actually wasn't called peal and seal btw, its just another brand.  I'll post it when I check what it is again
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: 92CXyD on December 24, 2009, 12:50:41 AM
cool I'm trying this as soon as I get my motor back in. ;D
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 24, 2009, 12:53:49 AM
If you have the dash out, a layer or two on the firewall would go a long ways towards cutting back on engine noise.
Title: Re: Evan's on a roadtrip, his hatch is loud. Any RHMT approved sound deadening?
Post by: Full Spool on January 22, 2010, 09:32:23 PM
Peel and seal doesnt work for shit as sound deadner, it slightly stops rattles, doesnt stick for shit on vertical surfaces though


BS  O0

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