:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Hybrid/Tech => Topic started by: ifly87 on February 24, 2010, 05:12:22 AM
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While surfing the coolest website ever, the other day I came across this bad boy. Got me wondering. Has anyone used them? whats the worst that could happen?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-1995-CIVIC-D15-D16-TORQUE-SENSING-DIFFERENTIAL-LSD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56364ed0faQQitemZ370278322426QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-1995-CIVIC-D15-D16-TORQUE-SENSING-DIFFERENTIAL-LSD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56364ed0faQQitemZ370278322426QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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whats the worst that could happen?
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it could explode inside yout transmission fucking everything up but other than that nothing
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so what transmissions are cheap...
So whats the best route to go for LSD's? without spending $1,000.
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china ripping off china, i think youre better off going with an obx unit lol
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when two people had issues with CHINA POS LSD's, the market fell thru.
I''m half of the party.
OBX's were $175 each shipped to US....
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i remember hearing that the OBX ones werent all that bad for the money but its been years since then
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Are those (post in the egay add) a copy of a copy of a failure copy? :?:
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my penis is huge.
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i like how one bolt sits flush and the others stick out in varying lengths :-\
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"Differential" refers to those bolt heights actually. You will still spin one wheel with this installed.
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Are those (post in the egay add) a copy of a copy of a failure copy? :?:
They are the same as OBX's......OBX would just laser etch them after pulling them out of a crate.
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lots of information out there about these, including diy upgrades for peace of mind/fixing the slant eye's awesome work on these pieces
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wobble, something MFactory doesn't have.
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I love bone's hate on the obx, even though many people have had good luck using them. He still thinks us cheap asses care about his mfactory nut swinging.
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I love bone's hate on the obx, even though many people have had good luck using them. He still thinks us cheap asses care about his mfactory nut swinging.
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He makes money doing trans work. Why would he want to take the risk with an OBX that carries a 30% restocking fee...EVEN WHEN ITS A MANUFACTURER FLAW...when he can simply get an Mfactory and not have a worry? For him, OBX diffs won't work, but for the rest of us cheap-asses, it might be worth the risk
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I love bone's hate on the obx, even though many people have had good luck using them. He still thinks us cheap asses care about his mfactory nut swinging.
:?:
He makes money doing trans work. Why would he want to take the risk with an OBX that carries a 30% restocking fee...EVEN WHEN ITS A MANUFACTURER FLAW...when he can simply get an Mfactory and not have a worry? For him, OBX diffs won't work, but for the rest of us cheap-asses, it might be worth the risk
Thats the point, i'm quite frankly sick of his propaganda in EVERY obx lsd thread. i as long as every other person with any kind of common sense knows you get what you pay for with lsd's. He's not telling us anything new here.
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I love bone's hate on the obx, even though many people have had good luck using them. He still thinks us cheap asses care about his mfactory nut swinging.
:?:
He makes money doing trans work. Why would he want to take the risk with an OBX that carries a 30% restocking fee...EVEN WHEN ITS A MANUFACTURER FLAW...when he can simply get an Mfactory and not have a worry? For him, OBX diffs won't work, but for the rest of us cheap-asses, it might be worth the risk
Thats the point, i'm quite frankly sick of his propaganda in EVERY obx lsd thread. i as long as every other person with any kind of common sense knows you get what you pay for with lsd's. He's not telling us anything new here.
Uhhh, he's actually VERY mild about it, and doesn't come across pushy at all...
Ever visit a thread about LSDs with Aquafina posting in it? Now THAT is propaganda and overall pushiness.
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I love bone's hate on the obx, even though many people have had good luck using them. He still thinks us cheap asses care about his mfactory nut swinging.
:?:
He makes money doing trans work. Why would he want to take the risk with an OBX that carries a 30% restocking fee...EVEN WHEN ITS A MANUFACTURER FLAW...when he can simply get an Mfactory and not have a worry? For him, OBX diffs won't work, but for the rest of us cheap-asses, it might be worth the risk
Thats the point, i'm quite frankly sick of his propaganda in EVERY obx lsd thread. i as long as every other person with any kind of common sense knows you get what you pay for with lsd's. He's not telling us anything new here.
Uhhh, he's actually VERY mild about it, and doesn't come across pushy at all...
Ever visit a thread about LSDs with Aquafina posting in it? Now THAT is propaganda and overall pushiness.
Haha, i will agree it is not that bad. :-[
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Considering I've installed 43 OBX's.....without failure, three SOHC's running in the 10's on them.
But when I got the bad one with runout issues, same time Aquafina got two bad ones, game over.
Only 120% markup on the Mfactory units.
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lots of information out there about these, including diy upgrades for peace of mind/fixing the slant eye's awesome work on these pieces
Links please??
Are these seriously the same as the obx ones? When I made this thread I was maybe 3% serious but if this is really the same as the obx, I would be more like 49% into these guys.
Bone I think all you're comments are always welcome and even though I rarely post, I read alot of you're posts and dont find them "pushy" or even "propaganda". You are very helpfull and always appreciated.
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Figure I haven't installed a LSD (OBX or otherwise) in almost two years now, thats $200 a pop, so I'm out $5k or more as most brokedicks won't pony up the money for a MFactory. About the time Chris and me got wobbly diffs, someone posted a picture of a bad OBX casting, metal was missing where the bearing slides on. There was another picture with wood pieces INSIDE the unit.
With those issues I decided to no longer mess with them.
I also have a minor issue with this.......
http://www.d-series.org/forums/transmission-alley/126236-information-regarding-warranty-mfactory-products.html (http://www.d-series.org/forums/transmission-alley/126236-information-regarding-warranty-mfactory-products.html)
I've had a few people on here ask me whether or not MFactory has a warranty on their products, so I thought I would make this thread.
From: MFactory Competition Products, MFactory Competition Products - Forged Transmission Components
Warranty: Due to the nature of For Race Use Only products, MFactory Competition Products will provide a limited warranty for all products to be free of defects in materials and workmanship upon receipt of product and initial installation. Parts returned must be determined by MFactory Competition Products to be defective before any warranty credit or replacement is issued
Subsequently, any warranty claim arising as a result of the failure of any part will ONLY be entertained if installation was carried out by either ourselves (click HERE for details) or an official installer. All official installers have met and passed our strict criteria required to install a Genuine MFactory Competition Products Transmission Component.
MFactory Competition Products's obligation under warranty shall be limited to repairing or replacing, at its option, any part proven defective. The customer must prepay transportation charges
Final determination of the suitability of the products for the use contemplated by the buyer is the sole responsibility of the buyer. MFactory Competition Products shall not be liable for any special, direct, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, that might be claimed as a result of the failure of any part, including claims for delay, loss of profits, or labor
MFactory Competition Products shall not be liable for any damage or injury to persons or property resulting from improper installation or misuse of any part subject to this warranty
There are no other warranties expressed or implied extending beyond those set forth above
What this means basically, is that if an MFactory part fails and it is not due to something you did (i.e. run the trans without fluid, debris in the trans while filling through the VSS, hotlap your 900whp car on a dynapack with a stock clutch housing, etc) it can be covered by the warranty pending inspection, as long as it was installed by either MFactory themselves or their Official Installer (Whoopee Doo Racing). Install it yourself or have someone else (whether it's an individual or a shop) and the warranty is void.
I guess I'm not qualified. The $200 round trip it would cost to ship a tranny, plus his slighty higher install cost means someone can get a Quaife for about same price and not worry about it getting damaged in shipping. Chris does have access to a media blast cabinet, really cleans the cases up nicely.
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So you are saying if I were to buy an Mfactory, Chris is the only person that can install it otherwise the warranty is shit? :-\
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So you are saying if I were to buy an Mfactory, Chris is the only person that can install it otherwise the warranty is shit? :-\
EXACTLY how I read it.
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So you are saying if I were to buy an Mfactory, Chris is the only person that can install it otherwise the warranty is shit? :-\
EXACTLY how I read it.
Nice, propaganda posts about the OBX combined with him being the only one that can install it is a good attempt at forcing you out of the sohc trans business.
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lots of information out there about these, including diy upgrades for peace of mind/fixing the slant eye's awesome work on these pieces
Links please??
Are these seriously the same as the obx ones? When I made this thread I was maybe 3% serious but if this is really the same as the obx, I would be more like 49% into these guys.
Bone I think all you're comments are always welcome and even though I rarely post, I read alot of you're posts and dont find them "pushy" or even "propaganda". You are very helpfull and always appreciated.
i promise the search button works
http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=9819.0 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=9819.0)
i did the 'mods' for my car and dr. d series quest for the 9's car and haven't had a problem with either, wobbly or not. i keep saying i'm going to get a dial indicator and magnetic base soon and do another one but i haven't gotten around to it
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my penis, its a biggie. ???
:yes:
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So you are saying if I were to buy an Mfactory, Chris is the only person that can install it otherwise the warranty is shit? :-\
EXACTLY how I read it.
Nice, propaganda posts about the OBX combined with him being the only one that can install it is a good attempt at forcing you out of the sohc trans business.
I can get the same LSD's, matter of fact until Chris had the group buy (without MFactory's help) KIWI almost bought the first lot that Chris ended up buying. Reason KIWI didn't was due to the cheapness of the OBX's that at the time. OBX's were $160 each, the first MFactorys were $275 each, plus shipping.
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Figure I haven't installed a LSD (OBX or otherwise) in almost two years now, thats $200 a pop, so I'm out $5k or more as most brokedicks won't pony up the money for a MFactory. About the time Chris and me got wobbly diffs, someone posted a picture of a bad OBX casting, metal was missing where the bearing slides on. There was another picture with wood pieces INSIDE the unit.
With those issues I decided to no longer mess with them.
I also have a minor issue with this.......
http://www.d-series.org/forums/transmission-alley/126236-information-regarding-warranty-mfactory-products.html (http://www.d-series.org/forums/transmission-alley/126236-information-regarding-warranty-mfactory-products.html)
I've had a few people on here ask me whether or not MFactory has a warranty on their products, so I thought I would make this thread.
From: MFactory Competition Products, MFactory Competition Products - Forged Transmission Components
Warranty: Due to the nature of For Race Use Only products, MFactory Competition Products will provide a limited warranty for all products to be free of defects in materials and workmanship upon receipt of product and initial installation. Parts returned must be determined by MFactory Competition Products to be defective before any warranty credit or replacement is issued
Subsequently, any warranty claim arising as a result of the failure of any part will ONLY be entertained if installation was carried out by either ourselves (click HERE for details) or an official installer. All official installers have met and passed our strict criteria required to install a Genuine MFactory Competition Products Transmission Component.
MFactory Competition Products's obligation under warranty shall be limited to repairing or replacing, at its option, any part proven defective. The customer must prepay transportation charges
Final determination of the suitability of the products for the use contemplated by the buyer is the sole responsibility of the buyer. MFactory Competition Products shall not be liable for any special, direct, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, that might be claimed as a result of the failure of any part, including claims for delay, loss of profits, or labor
MFactory Competition Products shall not be liable for any damage or injury to persons or property resulting from improper installation or misuse of any part subject to this warranty
There are no other warranties expressed or implied extending beyond those set forth above
What this means basically, is that if an MFactory part fails and it is not due to something you did (i.e. run the trans without fluid, debris in the trans while filling through the VSS, hotlap your 900whp car on a dynapack with a stock clutch housing, etc) it can be covered by the warranty pending inspection, as long as it was installed by either MFactory themselves or their Official Installer (Whoopee Doo Racing). Install it yourself or have someone else (whether it's an individual or a shop) and the warranty is void.
I guess I'm not qualified. The $200 round trip it would cost to ship a tranny, plus his slighty higher install cost means someone can get a Quaife for about same price and not worry about it getting damaged in shipping. Chris does have access to a media blast cabinet, really cleans the cases up nicely.
I saw that along with Ryan's response. I haven't checked in to see what the response was.
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who the hell is chris?
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who the hell is chris?
Aquafina. He is not a member here, nor was he on OHMT as far as I know. He has pretty much cornered the market on D series LSDs.
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Yeah saw he was pushing an LSD for 35mm d-series trannies in D-series.
Was thinking about it until reading this thread, now I'm not sure I would buy anything from him. :?:
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You can still buy 35mm Quaifes........for $900.....with a warranty.
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Hello, RHMT.
Dan,
SpeedFactory installed their LSD. It was covered under warranty due to it being the first MFactory LSD to ever fail. It is the only MFactory LSD that has ever failed (splined gear cracked, never determined if it was the diff itself or the axle that caused it).
Bone,
Consider your source of information regarding MFactory. Kiwi can NOT get the MFactory LSD's, nor could he have EVER got them. They are not produced in a factory then sold to whomever wants them like the OBX and many other products are. The only reason the D LSD was even made is because I put the money up for it. Same with the soon to be released 35mm LSD, the DOHC ZC LSD, and some other D specific gearing I'm working on with MFactory. You're not qualified not necessarily due to your abilities, but due to the fact you're not an MFactory Official Installer, nor even a dealer. If you disagree with me, PM or email me versus spread mis-information.
Ryan,
It's unsettling to see a moderator of a forum I sponsor speak negatively about me elsewhere. There is no hidden agenda behind my business. I sell MFactory and dislike OBX due to its horrible quality. People will continue to buy OBX due to the price, that is fine with me, I'd just like them to be educated about their purchase. If you think my information is incorrect and/or would like me to stop helping with tech questions and providing service and discounts on said forum, please PM or email me.
Everyone else,
If you receive a defective product from MFactory, it is covered under the limited manufacturers warranty as long as you haven't already used it. If a product fails or has a problem after it is installed, it is covered under the warranty if it was installed by Whoopee Doo Racing, or MFactory themselves. It is very unlikely you will ever have a problem with an MFactory product (if it is installed correctly and suits the application). SpeedFactory's LSD is the only one that has had a problem post install. Some early B18C LSD's had some small problems, and all of them were covered under warranty (either repaired or replaced entirely).
Chris Tybor
Whoopee Doo Racing
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hmm, wierd i never even heard of those LSD's till a few minutes ago lol. friend of mine was askign what he should buy, not sure what to tell him since a warranty really isnt worth shit if you have to ship your tranny to A certified installer.
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He doesn't have to ship the trans to myself or MFactory. That will only help him should the LSD have a problem once in the car. If you or he has any doubts, take a look at how many 900+whp cars are using it without any problem, its good enough for Lisa Kubo if that says anything.
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Ryan,
It's unsettling to see a moderator of a forum I sponsor speak negatively about me elsewhere.
So because he's a moderator he can't speak his mind?
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It's a free country, but it's not good business etiquette IMO.
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It's a free country, but it's not good business etiquette IMO.
Not good business etiquette? gtfo
When people silence others there is usually a reason they don't want them saying anything. funny how you signed up to post that shit. :?:
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So you are saying if I were to buy an Mfactory, Chris is the only person that can install it otherwise the warranty is shit? :-\
EXACTLY how I read it.
Nice, propaganda posts about the OBX combined with him being the only one that can install it is a good attempt at forcing you out of the sohc trans business.
I can get the same LSD's, matter of fact until Chris had the group buy (without MFactory's help) KIWI almost bought the first lot that Chris ended up buying. Reason KIWI didn't was due to the cheapness of the OBX's that at the time. OBX's were $160 each, the first MFactorys were $275 each, plus shipping.
Time to start selling BoneSpec LSDs for $500 :noel:
Ryan,
It's unsettling to see a moderator of a forum I sponsor speak negatively about me elsewhere.
So because he's a moderator he can't speak his mind?
Apparently...
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Not good business etiquette? gtfo
When people silence others there is usually a reason they don't want them saying anything. funny how you signed up to post that shit. :?:
The forum is a business (it sells a service). He works for it by moderating (whether he gets paid or not). Last I checked it's frowned upon to talk negatively about customers.
Yes, I joined to post that shit. I'm sure you joined to post some shit as some point or another.
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Talking negative about your business or products is one thing, talking negative about the WAY YOU CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS is another.
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What? By letting people know why they shouldn't run an OBX and promoting a product I carry on a forum I pay to do so? If I pay to advertise, why shouldn't I?
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Ok lets keep this simple this is rhmt not another web forum. I dont give a jack shit about other forums so if you want to bitch there fine. No bullshit here. If that bothers you sir you should just go to the other forums of the interwebz.
Thank You Sir
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group hug circle jerk............where is Jeremy to be the pivot man when you need him?
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CJ's are fine with me, but not when it is within a group hug radius.
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It's a free country, but it's not good business etiquette IMO.
It would be bad business etiquette if he was the one getting payed.
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Hello, RHMT.
Dan,
SpeedFactory installed their LSD. It was covered under warranty due to it being the first MFactory LSD to ever fail. It is the only MFactory LSD that has ever failed (splined gear cracked, never determined if it was the diff itself or the axle that caused it).
Chris Tybor
Whoopee Doo Racing
i love my LSD chris, never had a problem with it and i bet i never will... am i jealous my friend has a quaife and never has to worry about buying another LSD again??...? yeah, i sure am. i wish i had that piece of mind.
IMHO, the product is so good, the MFactory warranty should be extended to all installers, pending inspection of the failed unit. that is, if any ever fail again.
that would say a lot about a companies faith in their product.
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SpeedFactory installed their LSD. It was covered under warranty due to it being the first MFactory LSD to ever fail.
Well I want to buy an Mfactory diff, but want to install it myself. Considering a claimable extended warranty is valued upwards of 20% of a new car's value, and mine would be void, could I get a 20% refund after I install it??
If that's the only one that's ever failed, you shouldn't have a problem standing behind the warranty. And if you are that well trained at installing them, you'd also be able to figure out if it killed from no fluid, grit, etc, and offer a case-by-case deal for user-installed parts.
The forum is a business (it sells a service).
The forum sells advertising rights, but volunteers are not automaticly considered part of that business. They can simply say he doesn't necessarily share teh same opinions of said forum blah blah blah.
Full disclosure laws don't make the truth illegal, they make it manditory, and are applicable since a warranty is basicly a contract. Actually since it could create a safety issue, a person is morally obligated to disclose the facts and POSSIBLE ramifications, and business is actually required by law to do so. Only unprovable facts are illegal (slander/libel). Telling someone the prices involved in retaining a warranty and what's their own recommendation is not slander or libel.
In otherwords, don't get butt-hurt if people don't like your policies. The customer is always right, even half-wit chipped-shoulder nig nogs from RHMT. In a capitalist society, you adapt to the market and make the customer happy OR lose their business.
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The forum is a business (it sells a service).
This forum is not a business, in fact it provides a great disservice to the complacency of the rest of the internet car community.
Ryan's opinions will not be edited here, although I am completely certain he edits himself before posting elsewhere. Your issue is moot, this site has never had mainstream popularity and will never impact the bandwagon of D-series, HT, et al, purely because we have no bandwagons or even a consensus of any kind on any subject. We run off 95% of new members, intentionally. Exactly zero of your business interests have been impugned on any level.
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lol this thread has been upgraded from mediocre to win.
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The forum is a business (it sells a service).
This forum is not a business, in fact it provides a great disservice to the complacency of the rest of the internet car community.
I thought he meant someone was a mod elsewhere but talking shit here, like Bone.
BTW answer my fucking post in the injector driver thread. It's driving me mad.
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The forum is a business (it sells a service).
This forum is not a business, in fact it provides a great disservice to the complacency of the rest of the internet car community.
I thought he meant someone was a mod elsewhere but talking shit here
That is exactly what he meant, my point is that it is irrelevant.
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we have no bandwagons
lies... see ZC, OC, Holset, anything D series, and Washington state.
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We run off 95% of new members, intentionally.
i love this place
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The forum is a business (it sells a service).
This forum is not a business, in fact it provides a great disservice to the complacency of the rest of the internet car community.
I thought he meant someone was a mod elsewhere but talking shit here, like Bone.
He was talking about me being an Admin on d-series, and posting my opinions here as if they are detrimental to his business.
d-series is d-series, this its rHMT
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we have no bandwagons
lies... see ZC, OC, Holset, anything D series, and Washington state.
I disagree. I'm fully on th MHI bandwagon, own no ZC, and haven't eaten OC in six months.
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mitsufeces.
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CJ's are fine with me, but not when it is within a group hug radius.
Where's the porn, noob?
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... and so it begins.
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CJ's are fine with me, but not when it is within a group hug radius.
Where's the porn, noob?
very valid question. rules are rules.
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i scratched my asshole and smelled my finger
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I'm awaiting the Aussie metal LSD's that are shipped from Hong Kong with added tarriffs on them to show up.
Steve, I know you will read this.
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I'm awaiting the Aussie metal LSD's that are shipped from Hong Kong with added tarriffs on them to show up.
Steve, I know you will read this.
Lol. I was wondering when that would pop up.
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Well this thread died, i was hoping for more lsd drama.
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Well this thread died, i was hoping for more lsd drama.
Without checking I guarantee there are no threads from HT or TD16 or D-series pointing this direction. Chris likely realized this was an internet backwater full of argumentative idiots, as I stated it was, and found something better to do with his time.
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Well this thread died, i was hoping for more lsd drama.
Chris likely realized this was an internet backwater full of argumentative idiots, as I stated it was, and found something better to do with his time.
so why are you here?
wait why am i here?
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Arguments come to conclusions. Endless sales pitches delivered by used car salesmen do not.
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Arguments come to conclusions. Endless sales pitches delivered by used car salesmen do not.
Truth :yes:
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lol, so are these generic ebay lsd's really the same exact units that OBX sells? And is it true that the OBX is a copy of Quaife? I've heard people say it but whats the deal, it really looks like people are actually using these pieces of shit with luck.
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group hug circle jerk............where is Jeremy to be the pivot man when you need him?
I still have that K series cam shaft thats calling your anus' name all the way to the cam gear. :P
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group hug circle jerk............where is Jeremy to be the pivot man when you need him?
I still have that K series cam shaft thats calling your anus' name all the way to the cam gear. :P
I'm not worried, you can't make it here without crashing or breaking shit.
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lol, so are these generic ebay lsd's really the same exact units that OBX sells? And is it true that the OBX is a copy of Quaife? I've heard people say it but whats the deal, it really looks like people are actually using these pieces of shit with luck.
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group hug circle jerk............where is Jeremy to be the pivot man when you need him?
I still have that K series cam shaft thats calling your anus' name all the way to the cam gear. :P
I'm not worried, you can't make it here without crashing or breaking shit.
Bullshit, last time was a success story! Well until clutch could not grab anymore torque. But still though
FUCK YOU
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group hug circle jerk............where is Jeremy to be the pivot man when you need him?
I still have that K series cam shaft thats calling your anus' name all the way to the cam gear. :P
I'm not worried, you can't make it here without crashing or breaking shit.
Bullshit, last time was a success story! Well until clutch could not grab anymore torque. But still though
FUCK YOU
Still a fale.