:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: ironcrx on May 06, 2010, 07:16:37 PM
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So many nig here got builds so Ill toss my horrible peice of shit build into the mix
car:
1985 nissan 200sx turbo
ca18et (rinky dink ass motor)
I bought the car non running months ago and have been battling previous owners fuck ups on it. Such as it being converted to NA with all turbo related items removed (oil and water lines, several vacuum lines, and some boost related plugs and wires). I should also mention the cars timing has been set about 20 degrees or more off from stock. I dont know who did it or why.
Heres pics of the car and shit ive done so far. Mind you im working on a RHMT budget, and Ive never boosted a car. Wish me luck faggots.
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The engine bay as it sits now needed some much needed boost
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Here is one portion of the oil feed I made. Jb weld, ace hardware parts and all.
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Other part of the feed line
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Charge pipe (yea thats all of it) straight from turbo to TB. Notice the jb welded bov
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RX7 bov jb welded to charge pipe O0
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Thats it for now. In for porn later.
If any of you nogs see something wrong, let me know before my shit detonate prematurely.
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Not bad nig. Why no intercooler ?
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Not bad nig. Why no intercooler ?
couldnt find a way to jb weld it?
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awesome ;D love all the jb weld shit is tight
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Not bad nig. Why no intercooler ?
couldnt find a way to jb weld it?
I got plenty of jb weld. lol. Its mostly a lack of parts and funds. The s12 200sx turbo came stock turbo with no intercooler. It was armed with a puny t2 that went straight to the TB from the turbo.
Here is a stock pic/advertisement (the turbo is behind the power steering canister)
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I got a side mount intercooler from an sr20 but I dont have the pipes to fit it. I should be fine rocking this t25 stock stile. Im just concerned about getting it hooked up right since I dont know what other surprises there are from the previous owners butchery.
Also look closely at how the bov is attached. The raised metal underneath the jb weld is where I drilled several holes then used pliers to peel metal off till it was big enough. I cant afford proper cutting tools atm :mexi:
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fuckin baller :o
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What about running a T3, like off a volvo or somthing like that? The t25 is real small. Nice rig.
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Nice and cheap.
I hate working on other peoples' hack jobs.
Finally, Nissan engines look strange.
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What about running a T3, like off a volvo or somthing like that? The t25 is real small. Nice rig.
i got this t25 for $35 on ebay. I got lucky. Some dude fired an employee from his shop and sold off the guys left over shit. hahaha! The t3 is also a little big for this motor stock.
Also the t25 fits the ca18et turbo mani and down pipe.
Good news is in a few months ill be scoring another s12. Itll be an 84 turbo (lucky me!!!) that has everything in the engine bay intact. Basically its overall condition is like finding that mint crx that seems almost new for a lowballers price O0. When I clear out and sell another project of mine (notice the red civic in one of the photos) ill be buying that other s12.
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That BOV is garbage and will leak.
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buy me one then thats free like this thing was. I sure like its freeness O0
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Better off with a Bosch valve. Or put a big check valve on the end of the one you have.
I guess its not really a piece of shit. It is just not ment to be vented like you seem to be doing.
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its set up like stock, but in a manner that pushed its similaritis to the limit. That bov (i think its called a bypass pov or some thing) is hooked up attached to the air box and is right next to it.
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I would seriously consider doing something different wth the oil feed.
Vibration is going to cause you some problems in the future and spraying hot oil
and a hot turbo are a bad mix. I had a metal brake line oil feed crack
once and spray oil onto the turbo/manifold. Made for a nice sized fire.
Other than that if it works, looks good. I've done some more ghetto stuff in the past.
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I would seriously consider doing something different wth the oil feed.
Vibration is going to cause you some problems in the future and spraying hot oil
and a hot turbo are a bad mix.
100% correct. That JB on the feed is gonna fail fast. Otherwise, solid RHMT'ing :yes:
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If you need an intercooler LMK (PM me).
I have two 7mgte intercoolers.
One will need some JB weld brazing (b/c it was in a wreck).
The other looks good w/ most of the stock black paint on it.
Old skool intercoolers in an old skool 200sx would totally rad mang. ;D
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I would seriously consider doing something different wth the oil feed.
Vibration is going to cause you some problems in the future and spraying hot oil
and a hot turbo are a bad mix. I had a metal brake line oil feed crack
once and spray oil onto the turbo/manifold. Made for a nice sized fire.
Other than that if it works, looks good. I've done some more ghetto stuff in the past.
Its only temporary till I get $$$ for something better. O0
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good news/bad news
bad news: Friend helping me drop the turbo and broke the oil line i made. fffffffffffff
good news: said friend is buying me an oil feed line with fitting O0 I guilt tripped him into it.
Project is delayed till the part gets here :-\
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Ahh, got to love idiot friends that break stuff.
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Yea... gotta love them :P
I appreciate help from certain friends who are fairly competent when it comes to cars. They like learning more working with me and are amazed at my ghetto fabrication and applications. I tell I get most of it from a bunch porch-monkey nignogs in the interwebz.
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Hum cant wait for some dirty rippers :noel:
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I got my bitch boosted finally woooooooooooooooooo :noel: :noel: :noel: :noel:
Just got a few things to work out like:
timing is off 4 degrees on the crank vs head and off by about 6 teeth on the distributor :o. Yea, nightmares from previous owner.
Check what the cel are incase anything new popped up
Hope the excessive smoke is caused by the fucked up timing.
Find where an electrical power drain is coming from (someone walk me through it. I feel retarded trying it)
Im also running it open header since I gotta source a turbo 200sx upper exhaust pipe (mine had the na shit on it!).
More shit to come ladies. Pics, and ripper vids soon enough.
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I'm gonna have to check this thing out. Gotta see the rippers in person.
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awesome. sorry for the problems though
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Lol more problems and not enough progress. I busted a hole in the radiator when my wrench slipped :-[. JB welded the fuck outta that shit. Gonna out more on tomorrow.
I tried resetting the timing back the factory. Let me tell you guys, The faggots at nissan back in the 80's were butt fucking each other when they came up with how to set the timing on the CA series motors. Theres no real defining mark to distinguish because there's like 3 on the cam, doesnt match the factory manual, same deal with the crank, and the tensioner setup is a piece of shit.
After setting the timing to what seemed right the motor fired right up but had no power and could rev for shit. then died after a minute of idling. I realized I didnt set the dizzy timing. I align the belt TDC, then reset the dizzy. Car would start for shit. GAAAAAAHHHH!!!
Ill try again Thursday. If I fail again then, Ill try the weekend.
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Head swap from pulsar ca16/18de.
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possible bad fuel pump/ regulator
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ive considered those.
Hotrex, the motor ran without turbo and when I had it turbod before redoing the timing. It seems to only run with jacked up timing setting ??? ??? ???
If I get this other motor (d16z6) removed and swapped out of my car, ill be cashing in on it by selling it to this kid who thinks vtec is the bee's knee's O0. Then ill be buying another 200sx.
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ls1 swap
ok
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S12's are so rare. I've NEVER seen one in person, ever....and you'll have two.
Envy.
Head swap from pulsar ca16/18de.
Itb's cuz. ;D
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And both will be the turbo model with all the options O0
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The stank 200 rides again niggers!!!
I finally got around to setting the damn timing correctly and PERFECTLY. put the shit back together, charged up the battery and fired that bad cunt up.
Im sure i still got to play with the turbo shit. like the wastegate actuator since its adjustable(hks) and I have no idea what its set to. I cant seem to get the stock boost gauge to work so Ill be hooking up an aftermarket one soon which I happen to already have :noel:.
Im still having 2 issues with it though: power drain (which I havnt looked into today) and it dies while cruising when I have the clutch engaged. Weirdest thing which ill get into:
Starts up fine, drives, rives, hauls fairly well. Well for some odd reason when driving at cruising speed (say 35mph) I come to a stop light so Just push the clutch in while slowing down to a stop. The rpms drop quick like they should but it plummets straight to zero and is dead. WTF so I turn the car on quickly and Im lucky it starts fine and didnt strand me. Cruising again at 35 i test it out on the dying problem. Cruising I engage clutch and let the car coast. It dies. BUT when I release the clutch the car pick back up and drives like normal. WTF!
I hope that shit makes sense guys cause its the weirdest thing to me. Im also new to working with turbos so go easy on me with that shit.
oh yea: running that bitch open header. Sounds nasty as fuck but I kinda like it. Except for all the exhaust slowly poisoning me. :?:
vids of how the thing sounds plus a vid of the cluster while doing the cruising speed with engine rpm dropping to zero with clutch engaged.
The issue i got (watch the tach and keep in mind im driving at like 40. the speedo doesnt work atm) And dont mind my friends shitty camera work. Youl hear him whining
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Engine bay shot with some revs
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Rippers will come once I got this shit handled and tuned/fiddled with a bit
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You mean open downpipe?
I would first check whatever nissan used to regulate idle air in that era. could be as simple as a dirty/clogged iacv.
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Open downpipe. Yea thats what I meant. See how new to actually having boost I am :P
I guess I can look into that. What sucks is that issue only happens at higher cruising speeds. I drove though my neighborhood just fine and stopped at each stop sign with no issues. Hitting the main roads is an issue though :-\. This never happened while the car was NA before turbo.
Ugh, wish I could just find the previous owner who did all this shit and punch him in the mouth
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Is it a maf, map, or vam system? I had a similar problem with an SVO mustang, where the recirc wasn't working right. It would run great under no boost, but when boost came into play, it would slam back into the vam, shutting the door thing, and making it act all fucked up. I could see a maf system doing the same thing, making the thermistor have a false reading.
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I fucking hate you.
More pictures and get rid of that damn bov.
Fuck bovs....
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I fucking hate you.
More pictures and get rid of that damn bov.
Fuck bovs....
That bov was free and I only use it to prevent flutter from happening since im using a t25 running straight to the TB.
One of yall should sell me one thats more practical and for nigger cheap O0
Tomorrow Ill be getting to work on it to get more shit working and maybe address the dying issue if at all possible.
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Man, people run no bov all the time on those things. Put a 360 degree thrust in there if you're worried about it.
Eh...i drift and i'm a rotard so it doesn't matter. Lol. Buy one of those china nog things off a website where people dont give a fuck about money....like the supra forums or zilvia...
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I could do that. For now that ghetto rigged bov will have to do. I just like to play it safe with this motor since Im not sure what it can do or what it can handle being 25 years old
Ill look into some of that shit.
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the bov is off and in its place is a wrap of tape covering the hole in the charge pipe :mexi: I do still need a proper bov on it when I get it to daily driving status. Its not for the noise, its for preventing any wrecking of parts on the super old motor and/or turbo.
Shit runs pretty good but I still need to wait on getting the exhaust piping from the turbo elbow to the cat so I can stop poisoning myself with exhaust fumes and to ensure zero outside air contaminating the o2 sensor readings (located in the turbo elbow which is open air atm)
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Speedo not working might have something to do with it dying.
Some cars read the speedo signal and open the IAC a little if it is moving and the clutch is depressed.
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The later Nissans die like that when the MAF is bad, or poorly grounded. If you monitor MAF voltage, it stays higher than idle voltage for a couple seconds after the motor's died.
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The later Nissans die like that when the MAF is bad, or poorly grounded. If you monitor MAF voltage, it stays higher than idle voltage for a couple seconds after the motor's died.
fixed for failure
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The later Nissans die like that when the MAF is bad, or poorly grounded. If you monitor MAF voltage, it stays higher than idle voltage for a couple seconds after the motor's died.
fixed for failure
Fixed without your fix for failure.
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Oh snap didnt look into trying that shit. Ill give that a shot to see if theres any issues with the MAF
So far ive driven it for a few days now and got the exhaust hooked up and sounding good. Its quiet with the exception of the buss from the turbo.
Hasnt died on me since I got all the vacuum shit worked out good enough to run.
Only issues:
-some slight hesitation/studdering at lower rpms (below 3k) which isnt bad but I wonder how much its holding back on power potential. Im positive its timed right but im somewhat concerned that the car can run better with new plugs and wires (autozone wires and ngk plugs that are probably fouled from running the car NA with fucked up timing). I got the autozone wires because a damaged and broke the ngk wires by being careless when working on it a few weeks ago :'(
-vacuum reads at 20 for idle but boost never makes it past 3 or 4. I know theres a stock boost limiter that I gotta mess with/remove which Im learning about from the s12 forums. I should also look into a boost controller after that.
-rpm needle bounces quite a lot at sitting idle when car isnt moving. sits fine when coasting. I dont get it but maybe its a sympotom of one of my other smaller problems.
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Seems like one of those nightmare cars that you wouldn't buy again, given the chance. I think we've all had one or 7 of those.
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Made a ton of progress since I got it. Turns out the hesitation under 3k rpm is from a bad coil. This bitch has 8 injectors. 2 external distributor coils. One for intake side, one for exhaust when it comes to the plugs. Apparently with whatever fucked up way nissan developed it, shit turns on/off at higher rpm ???. I switched the plugs on the coils and the bitch ran good. I have only replaced one of the coils when I first got it. Ill replace the other soon.
Shit, In a few months I will be getting another one. Cant resist an 84 turbo with digital dash and stock turbo hood :noel:
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Cant resist an 84 turbo with digital dash
Does it talk to you like those faggot fucking 300ZX? I could crush those fucking things.
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Most all s12's talk to you. My 85 does. The benefit though is the voice isnt near as annoying. I did a comparison with a friend and got him to admit his voice warnings bitch sounded like a cunt. The voice thing only comes on for keys in ignition, lights still on, and maybe one other thing I havnt heard yet.
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The voice thing only comes on for keys in ignition, lights still on, and maybe one other thing I havnt heard yet.
It says "DANGER TO MANIFOLD!!!1" if you overboost it
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The voice thing only comes on for keys in ignition, lights still on, and maybe one other thing I havnt heard yet.
It says "DANGER TO MANIFOLD!!!1" if you overboost it
That was perfect. Glad my car doesn't talk to me, otherwise it'd be bitching about rod bearings, and I'd respond with revlimiter.
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That was perfect. Glad my car doesn't talk to me, otherwise it'd be bitching about rod bearings, and I'd respond with revlimiter.
Quoted for awesomness
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The voice thing only comes on for keys in ignition, lights still on, and maybe one other thing I havnt heard yet.
It says "DANGER TO MANIFOLD!!!1" if you overboost it
That was perfect. Glad my car doesn't talk to me, otherwise it'd be bitching about rod bearings, and I'd respond with revlimiter.
Id cut the bitch. I know where she fucking lives: In the kick panel O0
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You been add: http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=435.msg5800#msg5800 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=435.msg5800#msg5800)
Now DO WORK!
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Hell yea sweet.
Im about to get back to work. Finished moving recently :mexi:
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Hell yea sweet.
Im about to get back to work. Finished moving recently :mexi:
I hate moving :-X
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Tell me about it. Even after junking 2 civics jammed with shit I still had way too much crap to move. In the process of organizing room in my garage to work cause FUCK WORKING IN THE FLORIDA SUN!
Also seems I have lost my impact gun during the move. sonofabitch! :?:
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Some cool developments.
im selling the stank 200 next week for double what bought it for and put into it. With that cash Ill be buying the other s12 ive had my eye on (84 turbo with dealer options and digital dash plus stock turbo hood)
So anyone got any nissan t2 or t25 turbos around :-p. I know this new car will be needing some serious overhauling but in the long run it should be more with it than the current one.
Pics and shit next week when I drag it out of the ground :o
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I got a t25 that I'm looking to trade up from. It's on my DD, so I'd have to replace it quickly. Just throwing that out if you have something lying around.
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Fucking shit another setback.
Im in the middle of trying to sell the stank ride so I can buy the other s12 i been eyeing.
If i get it running correctly without its stupid starting issue it will sell for almost double what I bought it for.
Of course my luck is shitty: today i started on setting the timing since its off about 15 degrees mechanically. As im pulling the bottom timing cover off it smashes into the radiator and punches a small hole in it. FUCK! So Im currently letting it dry out after draining the radiator so I can patch up the hole with jb weld. Ive done this twice before.. :mexi:
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I really, really, really want to drive one of these.
They sound like such a rad piece of shit. That sounds terrible but i mean it in a good way.
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They are pretty fun once you get rid of the boost cut and tune them for NOG.
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Even in the current condition my s12 is in, its a fucking blast to drive. Hence why ive put up with so much shit on it but kept on going with it
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If you ever succeed in boosting the fuck out of it, most of the site will forgive you for being a bicurious uniballer.
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If you ever succeed in boosting the fuck out of it, most of the site will forgive you for being a bicurious uniballer.
Fucking well played Sir.
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If you ever succeed in boosting the fuck out of it, most of the site will forgive you for being a bicurious uniballer.
I still hate you
I cant push anymore boost with this one or else im gonna blow the motor and wont be able to sell it :'( Its smokes so fucking bad already from shit seals but i still got buyers interested in it.
Best get away car ever: Hits boost and a huge oily smoke cloud conceals the escape O0
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crx you supid fucs
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crx you supid fucs
crx you stupid fucks
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crx you supid fucs
crx you stupid fucks
Fuck yourself, retard. Get the fuck out of this forum.
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Shane adds nothing, and now he's being combative in a a pathetic fashion. I give it three to six days before banhammer threads are made about him.
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ok so I gotta rebuild the t25.
Do I trust the ebay kits, the kits on these various websites which seem questionably alike to the ebay deals, or try sourcing a super expensive set which only comes from the most "legit" of sellers?
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ok so I gotta rebuild the t25.
Do I trust the ebay kits, the kits on these various websites which seem questionably alike to the ebay deals, or try sourcing a super expensive set which only comes from the most "legit" of sellers?
Sounds like a good time to just replace it with a bigger turbo...
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Not on this one. This one is gonna be sold. im saving the bigger/better turbo love for the next s12