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Title: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on May 24, 2010, 04:11:35 PM
so imlooking in to a tig welder to do some alum. and ss stuff on my car. i really want a inverter tig and have looked at all the big us brands and just cant justify spending 3k+ on a welder for home use if i had a shop i could see it but this will jujst be for home/car stuff.
i have been looking at the everlast 250ex power tig spicificly.

just wanted to see what you nig thought of it.

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/PowerTig%20%20250EX-351-pd.html (http://www.everlastgenerators.com/PowerTig%20%20250EX-351-pd.html)

-alex
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: crxvtec91 on May 25, 2010, 05:57:58 PM
For the price its not worth it.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: narfdanarf on May 25, 2010, 07:49:59 PM
Dude you can come over and use my tig whenever you want if you buy the argon and filler metals.  Don't waste your money on that thing.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: N1 Andy on May 25, 2010, 09:13:41 PM
Buy a used Syncrowave for that price dude.  And where's Justin's axles jewboy? I took responsibility for that shit, don't fuck me
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on May 25, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
im going up to dave tursday and was going to drop them off on my way back  ::),


i want a inverter tig not a syncrowave. i need a tig at my house for all kinds of little projects, its hard to cut/fab stuff at home where all my tools are and then bring it somewhere to be welded by some one.its a pain in the ass. it would make things far easyer on me to just get a cheap welder to do small stuff on the car. mybe down the road ill get a nice miller or lincon i just cant spend 4K+ on one right now.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on May 25, 2010, 11:20:19 PM
im going up to dave tursday and was going to drop them off on my way back  ::),


i want a inverter tig not a syncrowave. i need a tig at my house for all kinds of little projects, its hard to cut/fab stuff at home where all my tools are and then bring it somewhere to be welded by some one.its a pain in the ass. it would make things far easyer on me to just get a cheap welder to do small stuff on the car. mybe down the road ill get a nice miller or lincon i just cant spend 4K+ on one right now.

Dude, keep your eyes peeled for a used 200dx on craigslist, I see complete setups popup every now and than for 2-3k. Don't waste your cash on that Chinese shit. Millers are deadly reliable, and their tech support and parts dept. is awesome. A dynasty will last you the rest of your life, and should you need any parts they will actually be available.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on May 25, 2010, 11:48:07 PM
yep i have seen syncrowaves for 2.5-3 range used on CL. but i dont really want a tranformer welder, i want the arc control of a inverter. i have also looked at thermual arc but i dont like the way the menu is set up.and they started out at around the same price as the everlast but cought on with ppl and the price is now in the 2.8k range. but still the same michine.

Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on May 26, 2010, 12:12:51 AM
yep i have seen syncrowaves for 2.5-3 range used on CL. but i dont really want a tranformer welder, i want the arc control of a inverter. i have also looked at thermual arc but i dont like the way the menu is set up.and they started out at around the same price as the everlast but cought on with ppl and the price is now in the 2.8k range. but still the same michine.



No I am talking dynasty200dx, not syncro. I've got a couple of them, I love them, inverter is the only way to roll.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Random Hero on May 26, 2010, 12:13:19 AM
yep i have seen syncrowaves for 2.5-3 range used on CL. but i dont really want a tranformer welder, i want the arc control of a inverter. i have also looked at thermual arc but i dont like the way the menu is set up.and they started out at around the same price as the everlast but cought on with ppl and the price is now in the 2.8k range. but still the same michine.



Dude, the TA185 is the way to go. Nates dad sells welders and can get you whatever you want at cost. The menu is easy on the TA185 you just have to read the instructions through once. The settings page comes blown up and laminated too.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on May 26, 2010, 01:08:04 AM
ask him what he can get me a 185 for... and i need your help tomarow to reprogram my lc1 so dave can do my tune thursday.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on May 27, 2010, 01:00:13 AM
shit i would have thought that these welder would be more excepted here with all you niggers,this is the home of the low $$ shit. wtf ???
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on May 27, 2010, 01:28:27 AM
shit i would have thought that these welder would be more excepted here with all you niggers,this is the home of the low $$ shit. wtf ???

Long term low dollar=Miller, because you will give it your kid when you are too old to use it anymore.
Short term low dollar=CDM tig, because it will break and than you will have to buy another one.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Random Hero on May 27, 2010, 02:54:30 AM
ask him what he can get me a 185 for... and i need your help tomarow to reprogram my lc1 so dave can do my tune thursday.

Sorry man, I worked all day and hung out with the lady after. If you need the reprogramming cable i put it on my porch on the smokers chair. your more then welcome to swing by and grab it.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: t_cel_t on May 27, 2010, 03:35:11 AM
even though thats seems like a good deal for the features, guess what, unless your welding shit on the space shuttle or an sr71 you wont even fuck with those adjustments let alone have enough skill to see benefits from them.

get a cheap arc welder/gas block/ torch/ ect and it will be years before you are good enough to warrant an upgrade.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 01, 2010, 02:13:40 PM
i like haveing a high amount of ac balance adjustment and the pulse is vary nice to have also
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: narfdanarf on June 02, 2010, 12:44:40 AM
Which a syncrowave has all of.  and the frequency adjustment is completely unnecessary for 98% of the population.  Unless you are welding a fuck ton IE production work you won't be a good enough welder to tell the difference between a transformer machine and a inverter.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 02, 2010, 01:39:31 AM
The syncrowaves have a decent balance control for all hobby based uses. I run more production based stuff so having a finer balance control, and especially frequency control and high speed pulse is awesome. But I can still make text book welds with a scratch start off a high frequency stack on an old buzz box, its just not quite as good, or efficient. I still recommend waiting for a used dynasty200dx to pop up over anything chi com.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 02, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
the syncrowave needs a high input amp to run, like 105 i think. and the pulse is a option. and the duty cycle is 40%? and the dynisty is only 20%

on the up side i looked at a lincon 255,might get that if i can get it for <1500$
sadly the everlast is better spec for spec with miller/lincon. if it was made in the usa it would be 6K+
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 02, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
the syncrowave needs a high input amp to run, like 105 i think. and the pulse is a option. and the duty cycle is 40%? and the dynisty is only 20%

on the up side i looked at a lincon 255,might get that if i can get it for <1500$
sadly the everlast is better spec for spec with miller/lincon. if it was made in the usa it would be 6K+

What functions does it have that the dynasty does not?
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 02, 2010, 02:56:30 PM
                                250ex           200dx
ac frec.                   5-250hz           20-250hz
ac balance               10-90%           30-99%
duty cycle             60%@250       20%@200
2t/4t                        yes                   no
watercooled torch      yes                  no
wave control               no                  4 modes
wall volt/amps          220/36                 220/not listed
stick amp/duty%       200/35%                   200/ 20%
110 volt input               no                       yes
spot timer                    yes                         no
warentty                       5 year                  3 year
price                           1600$                   4500$
mande in the usa          no                          yes
local servies                  no                          yes


im not saying on is better then the other but for the price its hard to beat.......
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 02, 2010, 03:10:20 PM
                                250ex           200dx
ac frec.                   5-250hz           20-250hz
ac balance               10-90%           30-99%
duty cycle             60%@250       20%@200
2t/4t                        yes                   no
watercooled torch      yes                  no
wave control               no                  4 modes
wall volt/amps          220/36                 220/not listed
stick amp/duty%       200/35%                   200/ 20%
110 volt input               no                       yes
spot timer                    yes                         no
warentty                       5 year                  3 year
price                           1600$                   4500$
mande in the usa          no                          yes
local servies                  no                          yes


im not saying on is better then the other but for the price its hard to beat.......

200dx has 2t/4t, as well as a spot timer.
The 200dx can be had with an aircooled torch, foot pedal and ground for less than $3500 new, used you can get the whole shebang for about $2500.
Also what voltage is the 20% duty cycle at, and is that AC or DC? My 200dx doesn't get used for any production so I haven't pushed it much but it make sa huge difference which voltage and phase you are using.
If chinese amperage and duty cycle ratings are anything like the HP ratings I'd figure you'll be safe at about half of what they advertise.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 02, 2010, 03:43:15 PM
200/20% at 18v, the price is what is on the miller site.i have been looking for a used one and have seen one any were near 3k used or new. i dont know if the rating are right or not but thats what is on both sites.shit i wish i bought a TA185 when they were 1700$ now they are 2.7k bs
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 02, 2010, 04:16:44 PM
Box for $2874 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MILLER-DYNASTY-200DX-AC-DC-TIG-WELDER-907099011-/350282356389?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Welders&hash=item518e7496a5 (http://cgi.ebay.com/MILLER-DYNASTY-200DX-AC-DC-TIG-WELDER-907099011-/350282356389?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Welders&hash=item518e7496a5)

Pedal for $185.26 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Foot-Control-Pedal-Miller-TIG-Welder-RFCS-5-/260538022177?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ca946b921 (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Foot-Control-Pedal-Miller-TIG-Welder-RFCS-5-/260538022177?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ca946b921)

Get 25ft torch, 150amp aircooled is around $160, the different 200amp aircooled torches are in the $250 area. Ground cables are cheap, $50.

Grand total shipped to your door for all NEW parts is going to be around $3300.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: narfdanarf on June 02, 2010, 05:02:28 PM
Duty cycle on the syncrowave is 100% at 140 amps continuous, if you're pulsing then it goes to almost 200amps, then goes down from there, the current draw is like 35 amps at that duty cycle. 

Just like everything CDM in the world they will not put out the duty cycle they claim or even the amperage, so I would take that with a grain of salt. 
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 02, 2010, 05:44:28 PM
pre millers site 150amp/26v/40%  at this amp it draws 54 amps from the wall.so at 200 it should be around 70ish amps from the wall.

and the 200dx still needs reg/hose and wall plug and cord wich is probuly a miller only part.so now we are looking at closeer to the 3500-3700 range befor i can lay a bead
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 02, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
pre millers site 150amp/26v/40%  at this amp it draws 54 amps from the wall.so at 200 it should be around 70ish amps from the wall.

and the 200dx still needs reg/hose and wall plug and cord wich is probuly a miller only part.so now we are looking at closeer to the 3500-3700 range befor i can lay a bead

Reg and hose will range from $35-100. $90 buys a good Victor reg/flowmeter, which I would recommend. Chinese ones are $35.
The wire and plug is not a miller part, its wire and plug, you can buy that shit at home depot.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: narfdanarf on June 02, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
I just think for the $1800 that a sync 200 costs brand new you can't beat it with a fucking cdm welder, and the extra 1500 that a dynasty costs isn't worth it to 95% of the population.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Random Hero on June 02, 2010, 10:07:42 PM
i'm telling you TA185 alex...

I forget what DC the 185 is but i think its 20, and i could sit down for hours strait and weld. Never got it to kick off or do anything funky, other then the torch getting to hot and melting in my hands..

$2030 OTD with the same tank markus has. Thing comes READY TO WELD. its the exact setup I used to have.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 03, 2010, 12:04:19 AM
good price, it is a nice welder but it looks like the frc. and balance are not adjustable in tig its set 60hz/50% cleaning.i know the ta welds nice but i dont like that you cant adjust that stuff.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 03, 2010, 12:29:20 AM
The TA really has fixed balance? I can see fixed frequency but fixed balance on AC is kinda lame.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 03, 2010, 01:05:46 AM
it says it is adjustable but cant find any thing bout how much and on the duty cycle info it say60hz,50% cleaning. and i looked for a long time to find out what rang you can adjust but cant find any thing.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 03, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
Well I wouldn't worry about it too much then, as long as you can adjust it it will be plenty fine for manual welding.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 03, 2010, 01:44:11 AM
i think you can only change it for stick welding...  ::)maybe josh will pop in and tell use more abou it as he used to have this welder. but to me that sucks.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: turbob16hatch on June 03, 2010, 01:47:27 AM
Personally i would just get a sync 200 and call it a day. mine has been a beast and no issues sense i got it in 06'. i think i have 100hrs on it or something like that.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 03, 2010, 02:06:49 AM
i would like to get a inverter for greater balance/frec. control as well as power consumtion. and i dont like that the syncowave has automatic post flow=wast of gas
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: dvst8r on June 03, 2010, 11:06:52 AM
Once upon a time I worked in an aluminum fab shop, we had syncs and dynasty's. It was always a fight to use the dynasty's and this was just for production aluminum welding, nothing fancy. The biggest reason was frequency control, once you have had it, it is hard to live with out.

Also 100hrs on a machine is nothing, at the above fab shop with two 10hr shifts, the production crew would have 100hrs arc on time a month on a machine. Some of our older sync machines had over 15,000 arc on hrs on them. The oldest Dynasty machine had about 10,000hrs. Some of the early 300dx's had some control board issues, but over all they were all dead reliable machines.

One thing to note about the post flow on the sync is that you can manually over ride that feature. 

The other thing is that the sync is a power hog, at 200A it draws over 60Amps, All 6 of my welder plugs are on 40amp breakers, and typical welding outlets are only 50amp outlets.

I own a 200dx, the big deciding factors for me were:

- Frequency control, being able to direct the arc to the root, and still be able to reduce penetration for thin aluminum is a really nice feature. Also high frequency and low balance, really busts shit up, you can even weld through anodizing.

- Size, I can carry the 200dx in one hand with the handle. I have taken it over to numerous friends places, and to odd jobs, and because it will work on just about any voltage input it is easy to do. This wasn't my plan when I bought it, when I bought it I had a basement (lots of pics of that fab floating around) and a very small single car garage, so I needed to easily be able to carry it up and down the stairs.

- Power consumption, like I said above the sync200 pulls over 60 amps flat out. At 150amps output it draws 54amps @ 230V, the Dynasty at 150amps output draws 16amps @230v. It is easy to trip breakers with the sync, almost impossible with the Dynasty.

- Adjustable wave form. I really like square wave as I spent a few years doing production and I still have a tendency to want to slam the pedal down and go. I also like the triangle wave for thin shit.

- High Frequency only at the arc start, I haven't had much issue with running continuous HF on the syncs, but all the same I would just as soon have it shut off after the arc has started. Keeps the shop radio happy, and playing music vs static...  :D
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: highroller54 on June 03, 2010, 07:26:15 PM


I own a 200dx, but I am looking to upgrade, Highroller54 is going to buy this one  :yes:



 ;D
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 03, 2010, 08:56:03 PM


I own a 200dx, but I am looking to upgrade to Passengers 300dx, then Passenger will upgrade to a 350dx or a 700dx and Highroller54 is going to buy this one  :yes:



 ;D

Fixed for accuracy.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Random Hero on June 04, 2010, 01:15:57 AM
it does have full balance and freq control, its really easy to use you just need to review the laminated 1 page sheet that comes with the welder, just like i said alex, I still have that sheet!
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 04, 2010, 01:31:37 AM
it does have full balance and freq control, its really easy to use you just need to review the laminated 1 page sheet that comes with the welder, just like i said alex, I still have that sheet!
i will give you a call tomarow so we can talk.. :noel:
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: narfdanarf on June 06, 2010, 09:16:32 PM
i would like to get a inverter for greater balance/frec. control as well as power consumtion. and i dont like that the syncowave has automatic post flow=wast of gas

you don't have to leave it on auto genius.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 07, 2010, 01:24:47 AM
"auto" to me means not user adjustable.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: narfdanarf on June 07, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
it is adjustable. Truthfully though I find the auto post flow to be pretty spot on most of the time, unless I'm doing tacks, in which case I will turn it to manual and turn the post flow way down.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on June 07, 2010, 11:21:04 PM
"auto" to me means not user adjustable.

In automatic mode, this is true, Slim Shady.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 14, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
i think im going to get a dynasty 200 or maybe a 350 if i can find a good deal on one. i like the wave control on the dynastys.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on July 23, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
If you haven't already picked one up:
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/tls/1852264448.html (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/tls/1852264448.html)

$2500 for a 200dx is cheap.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: malichite on July 23, 2010, 06:26:49 PM
it is adjustable. Truthfully though I find the auto post flow to be pretty spot on most of the time, unless I'm doing tacks, in which case I will turn it to manual and turn the post flow way down.

If I remember right, dont you have to turn it off, hold some button, turn it on then change it.  Kind of obnoxious.  I just leave it auto.  Works just fine.  Meh. I'm lazy though.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: runsfromdacops on July 27, 2010, 12:53:12 AM
i ended up getting a syncrowave 200dx for a smokin deal.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: malichite on July 27, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
You wont.  I still love mine.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Passenger on July 27, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
The syncrowave is a very good machine, I'm sure it'll treat you well.
Title: Re: cdm tig?
Post by: Joseph Davis on July 27, 2010, 08:43:34 PM
Every CDM TIG I know of has died, with the possible exception of hotrex's which he was using as light duty plasma cutter.