:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: Passenger on January 22, 2013, 10:01:21 PM
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Attack rabbit informed me of a PO to build some cummins 6.7 engine covers, op1's getting done today, need to build fixturing for op2's this week, hopefully have the batch done by the end of the week. (time and other disasters permitting)
Start with the stock, 2.5"x8" 6061 in 12' sticks. No problemo for my trusty Daito bandsaw. This thing is a mofo, 4400lbs, 1.5" blade, 100l coolant capacity. Good little CNC saw.
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Mount the pcs on a tombstone I am dedicating to this job:
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Make lots of chips:
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And some finished first ops:
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Just threw on another 4pcs, going home, lettin the machine work the night shift by itself O0 :noel:
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SECKS!!!! I like the bandsaw, i really miss having access to something like that
on a side note, do you happen to have a rough price to make a D vtec valve cover?
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I like attack rabbit! Valve covers are pretty bitchen too.
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Less 6.7 valve covers, more see if harland sharp roller rockers clear 6.7 injectors. Biches!
They do look O0 as always.
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Figure out how to make aluminum heads for Jeep i6... Make bank. Hesco = $$$$
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Figure out how to make aluminum heads for Jeep i6... Make bank. Hesco = $$$$
Cheaper to cast then to machine out of billet. :noel:
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I just noticed you said "cnc saw" does that mean it feeds the material in automatically?
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Yeah its a proper cnc saw, you program your cut length and how many pcs, or you can program different lengths and qts from the same bar.
I took a video of it running, but can't seem to get the link to work. I fucking hate youtube/google/apple products. What a bunch of worthless, uncapable, convoluted shit.
The mic6 plate showed up today for the second op fixtures:
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And don't worry Brett the rockers clear, they just don't fit the pedestals well.
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I wouldn't make a D series valve cover for 5 grand.
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And don't worry Brett the rockers clear, they just don't fit the pedestals well.
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Maybe it is just the picture but, wow does that look close. Are we going to need to do some work to the pedestals? Or new ones all together?
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People are willing to pay $5k for a valve cover?
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People are willing to pay $5k for a valve cover?
No, I think you missed the point.
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I might have to machine new pedestals. Not sure yet, if I can keep the rockers in the same location now I'll just clearance the bushing (harland just did a shitty job on this, they are supposed to fit), if I have to move rocker location to suite the new valve location then I will machine new pedestals. Either way, nothing to worry about, I'll make it fit, and it will be good.
I was being a dick about the 5k, these things retail for like $475ish. I was just saying (especially for a one off) there isn't enough money in the world to get me make one Honda valve cover. But if I had a PO for 50+ I would be interested. Machining blows for making money on low qty car parts.
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i knew there wasnt a market for it, just curious what it would cost if there was.
i cant get enough of machine marks in nice looking parts. i started going to school for machining, but got laid off from a machine shop while i was going to school. kinda killed the motivation to keep going. i miss it though.
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Dave - care to share some #s on the project? Programming time, machine time, estimate costs and final costs? Looks great!
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what dose the top of the valve cover look like? And that made in canada takes $475 off the price :P
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So I was going to start machining the second op fixtures today but I was looking at the drawings last night and found a bunch of problems (new part time guy working on the drawings). So maybe tomorrow I can get to it. Bummer thing now is that I need to add some through holes through the extra stock on all these first ops, so all the parts gotta go back in the machine :(
As for costs, the pallets are 5k a piece, and there is one for each op, so x2. The tombstones are around 2k each (again x2). Parts and materials for the fixturing that goes on the tombstones about $1500. Tool holders and tooling for the job about $3-4k. Probably 40-50hrs for programming (parts and fixturing) so maybe $2k there before payroll costs. Had to get some features picked up with a cmm for the parts, I think that cost me $700, deign time maybe 15hrs? $500-600? Then the costs for a machinist to actually machine the tombstones and fixtures, probably 3 days there, call it $1k by the time the its all knocked down to the tenth and and everything is square and machined to center of rotation.
So about $23k. Yes lots of things could be done cheaper bla bla bla. This runs lights out now, and requires no operator to run these parts in the future. It will take 20 minutes for an operator to load first and second ops for the night and they can pull off 4 complete parts in the morning. No fucking around, no adjusting tool offsets, loading and modifying programs, shoveling chips, loading tools, etc etc. Load the raw stock and hit go.
The second op fixtures should turn out pretty cool, and then you will be able to see what the top surfaces look like. Both of these tombstones are designed so that I can run a few different types of valve covers so that will help the costs of the tombstones and pallets.
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Are these for a customer or for a passenger product line? (I'm thinking not a customer part at those $ values). I was trying to figure out what you were bidding on a nightmare like this for a walk in customer.
So the pallet & tombstone are part specific?
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Are these for a customer or for a passenger product line? (I'm thinking not a customer part at those $ values). I was trying to figure out what you were bidding on a nightmare like this for a walk in customer.
So the pallet & tombstone are part specific?
Its a Passenger product but this batch is private label for someone else. I've been meaning to do this for a long time but have just been too busy and then this customer gave me a PO which was a kick in the but to actually get it done. If I was only going to build 10-30 of these things one time I wouldn't do anything like I am showing here. But the low qty car parts just don't make enough money to even be worth doing, some desperate machinist will always do it cheaper.
I don't do walk in projects. I do a lot of private label (majority of my work) but I am going to start pushing my Passenger Diesel label hard this year.
The pallets can be used for anything but I am dedicating them to this job, the tombstones will stay permanently mounted to these pallets. The tombstones will be used for at least one other style cover, maybe more.
Finding good machinists and set up guys in western Canada is damn near impossible, the only way to run high volume and or high mix work is to automate. I'm building a bunch of new products for my own line right now and everything is going to be very minimal setup, basically cut stock, load op1, press go, load op2 press go. And as much as possible done overnight only. The cell I have is awesome for high mix work because I have 27 pallets, part probing, tool probing, tool life management, micro fine conveyor, tsc, 162 offsets, macro B with extended variables etc.
I'm not sure if this is how I would do it again, but I'm balls deep at this point so I gotta keep rolling. I like the work, the complexity and capabilities are great, but the pay is shit.
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Sorry to hear of the struggles, that sucks. Nothing worse then busting your ass and making no $.
For a new product like this, how do you know whether there is sufficient sales volume to ammoritize the cost of the project?
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Mostly I don't its a gamble. I call customers and ask them if its something they would be interested, try to get an idea what volume they can sell, come up with a ball park price and then just go for it.
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Why bother with running those parts then? Do you do any medical/aerospace/tech industry parts?
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Dave, just bought one of your 6.0L delete kits. I didn't realise you made these. Website works fine / looks fine. Your print order shows the default magento logo instead of passenger, which you might want to change. It was kinda hard to find your website without a very specific "passenger diesel" search. So maybe some SEO might help a bit in the future.
I'm surprised you don't do better with these kits. One of our customers manufactures a competing kit to yours, and the up-pipe pieces or whatever the 2.0" pipe is called - we ship hundreds of those a month to him and he's always running out. I bet he sells ~6000+ kits a year. Your price is HALF his, and notice what I'm going to install on my F550 (yours).
Adam
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Hard to sell product nobody knows about,
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Hard to sell product nobody knows about,
I know all about that one.
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Tell people about it, then.
Nothing sells itself
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Dave doesn't have time to scratch his ass, let alone make cold calls to shops/dealers. ::)
My guess is "pushing hard" means he's going to get advertising when his new site is finished. I'm thinking of a different method where I give $50 to anyone that sells a set of injectors for me.
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I just need a set of your injectors in my car and things will move. Every time I tell people about them they always ask if its what's in my car.
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Dave doesn't have time to scratch his ass, let alone make cold calls to shops/dealers. ::)
My guess is "pushing hard" means he's going to get advertising when his new site is finished. I'm thinking of a different method where I give $50 to anyone that sells a set of injectors for me.
Doesnt have time means hes doing it wrong. Getting advertising means shit too. If you want some sales ideas, pm me or pm me for a number to text me. Especially with branding and marketing.
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That pretty badass right there.
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The marketing stuff is getting done, I'm just behind because I had another company working on it that did a horrible job and cost me a bunch of money and lost time. Things will be looking much better in the next few months. The new website will have good seo, pictures, information on our products and processes etc.
I didn't really have any time to work on this project the last few days so I am busting it today.
Because we had to do a major redesign on the second op fixturing I had to cut down those Mic 6 plates a few inches before I even threw them in the machine. I grabbed our beater ghetto tombstone, threw a couple dowels in for the plate to sit on and mounted the Mic 6 plate with some strap clamps:
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Probed it out:
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And pulled it off and pressed in the dowel liners:
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what you see here is the side that will sit on the second operation tombstone. The pockets are just to reduce weight, as these plates will be kinda heavy with the op1 part attached. The second op tombstone will get the dowels to locate off the liners I pressed in on these plates. There are still two more operations to do to these plates. I will have to machine the second op tombstone first.
This is the second op tombstone, I got this used with all these shitty holes in it. I should just miss the existing holes with the ones that I need to put in.
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I am hoping that I don't run into any snags today, if its possible I want to machine all the first ops for the mic 6 plates, machine the second op tombstone, machine all the second ops on the mic 6 plates, and then at least machine one third op on the mic 6 plates so that I can just run the rest in the morning. We'll see 8)
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Ok so here are some updates on the fixtures.
Op1's all done:
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Op2 was just putting 4 counterbores in so that I could hold the sub plates on the tombstone. Op3 was all the pocketing on the face and the side work for the handles:
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Thanks to Adam contributing to the shop fund I could afford some nice German made aluminum handles O0
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Put the dowels in the sub plate to locate the covers:
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And now the subplate with an op1 part sitting on it:
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Photobucket fail.
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Bummer, what does it look like on your end? Pictures show up fine here...
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Bummer, what does it look like on your end? Pictures show up fine here...
Shows up as the photobucket "Sorry. This person moved or deleted this image."
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Yeah I am a retard, after I posted them I moved them to the correct album and that broke all the links. Should work now.
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Great success!
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Gonna knock this out today one way or another ::)
Op1 parts mounted to op2 fixtures and tombstone:
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Robot ride from the load station to the machine receiver:
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And inside ready to start blasting chips:
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Hopefully some complete pics in the next few hours!
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Finally, finished parts. Now they just have to go out for anodizing, I hope they don't scrap them :-\
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Adam, did you get your egr delete kit? What do you think?
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Pretty snazzy. I guess these are for the guys that just have boatloads of money to dump into their 6.7s?
Didn't know if they are intended to serve any other purpose besides look baller.
That is one hell of a setup.
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Yeah its for bling. Most of these guys live in their trucks (oil patch) and spent 60-80k on the truck before it rolled off the show room floor, to spend another 5-10k on accessories is nothing.
The covers do look pretty pimp in person, anyone with a 6.7 that has been by the shop has bought one. They are harder to sell over the phone but once guys can hold one they want one. Its just one of those things.
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Here is the whole batch before anodizing. I'll hopefully have them back in a week from anodizing and then we will engrave them.
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Dave, parts look great. Just need to get that manual from you so one of my guys can install it. If you could email to admin@mandrel-bends.com I'd appreciate it.
Adam, did you get your egr delete kit? What do you think?
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Has it been said what the retail cost is on one of these?
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Obviously not crucial, but how flat did they come out, some decent material removal on both ops
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Adam, I just sent you the instructions, hope your install goes well.
Philstubs, I think retail is around $450-475 anodized and engraved.
Flatness was way better then expected. We are using Kaiser manifold bar, which we find to be a little more stable then something like say Sapa extruded bar. Not sure why. But we are only .003 twist in these, I think there is just the right amount wall thickness on the walls and the deck is thick enough that is stays really stable.
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That seems like a damn good price for something like that. I guess the automated process helps keep the price down
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500$ doesnt seem to bad for a big ass piece of billet like that
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Dave does your maatsura speak yasnak? Just looked at a bunch of mid 90s maatsura toys and they were all speaking yas, not fanuc - which kinda put me off. Dont know squat about that control type. Likes/dislikes?
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Dave does your maatsura speak yasnak? Just looked at a bunch of mid 90s maatsura toys and they were all speaking yas, not fanuc - which kinda put me off. Dont know squat about that control type. Likes/dislikes?
Yep its running Yasnac i80, very good control, little more powerful and userfriendly then a similar vintage Fanuc, we call Yasnac controllers "fanuc plus". If you are familiar with Fanuc then Yasnac is cake, because it is damn near the same, just has more options stock.
I've had a few Matsuuras all with Yasnac controls. I like them. Matsuura machines are kickass, the only machines comparable are maybe Yasda and Makino. Mori, okuma and Mazak are in a lower bracket. Not that they are bad machines but they just aren't in the same class.
That said if looking at Yasnac I would stick to i80 or J300. The older MX controls are good, but a bit slow by the standards of today. I had an old MX1 control and MX3 control and they are very reliable just old, I think my MX1 was from 84 or 83. I sold it to a friend and he still uses it. So you can get some serious life out of these controls and the iron for that matter.
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Another nice thing about Yasnac/Yaskawa is that all of their controller and drive manuals are available online for free, they are very good and very detailed, so doing repairs and modifications is a lot easier. Also support from Yaskawa is very good. Unfortunately they no longer make controllers and just do drives and such.
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Off topic, but speed factory is looking for a new company to produce their D2B kit. Not sure how much they are willing to pay per kit but its worth a shot to ask a few question. Spiker seems to be good friends (or atleast knows James).
FYI not sure if this is public knowledge or not. The only reason I know this first hand is I called up Speedfactory and spoke with Matt for a friend who has been waiting almost a year for his kit.
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pretty impressive, like the handles on your fixtures too, beats the hell out of trying to rock the fixtures off the tombstone
Used to run a Mat 500 and 760 from the late 80s, both older Yasnac controls. Controls are very similar to a Fanuc, minus the tool offset page, which is pretty minor. Minimal maintenance and they have no problems taking a decent cut compared to a similar size linear guide machine. Big fan of older Matsuuras and would prefer to own one over a similar Fanuc controlled machine.
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Off topic, but speed factory is looking for a new company to produce their D2B kit. Not sure how much they are willing to pay per kit but its worth a shot to ask a few question. Spiker seems to be good friends (or atleast knows James).
FYI not sure if this is public knowledge or not. The only reason I know this first hand is I called up Speedfactory and spoke with Matt for a friend who has been waiting almost a year for his kit.
Not sure what qts they would need on something like that but its something I could do.
I had an old mc500v2, great machine, also had an ra1 with 10k spindle. They are very bomb proof machines.
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Ever thought about doing 80% AR receivers? Don't know the legality in Canaduh, but they're totally unrestricted here. Demand will also probably never be higher.
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Ever thought about doing 80% AR receivers? Don't know the legality in Canaduh, but they're totally unrestricted here. Demand will also probably never be higher.
In the area of Canada I am in, you are likely to get handcuffed for going duck hunting, they will let you go, after you tell them its legal, and they spend an hour on the phone only to find out that yes, it is legal to own a gun, and shoot ducks with it, in the appropriate season with the appropriate licensing...
The majority of people in south west Canada are delusional beyond comprehension when it comes to firearms.
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In other news the anodizers fucked up the parts. No real surprise there though I guess. I have them at another anodizers shop right now to see if they can fix them. If not I get to start over.
Out of the 21 covers I sent only 5 were good. No surprise they put the 5 good ones in the top of the box ::)
I opened them up checked a couple and thought they were fine, it wasn't until I was getting ready to engrave them I realized they were almost all boned.
Gotta love flushing $9500 down the drain.
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Fuck that, I would be throwing those fuckers through the anodizers shop window!
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In other news the anodizers fucked up the parts. No real surprise there though I guess. I have them at another anodizers shop right now to see if they can fix them. If not I get to start over.
Out of the 21 covers I sent only 5 were good. No surprise they put the 5 good ones in the top of the box ::)
I opened them up checked a couple and thought they were fine, it wasn't until I was getting ready to engrave them I realized they were almost all boned.
Gotta love flushing $9500 down the drain.
That is super gay, figures that we pulled out one of each color that was good.
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Well it looks like they might be repairable, they won't be as bright as they were before, but they should at least be consistent. I went to the new anodizers this morning that I am getting to try and re work them and the cover they stripped and re anodized looks good. We'll see how it turns out.
I'm fighting with the first shop to try and get my money back, its going to be a struggle to just get my money for the butchered anodizing back, you can forget all the other costs (including scrapping the parts).
Seriously, orange peel on an anodized part? Never even heard of it, until now:
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Blotchy:
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Looks worse in person.
I love owning a machine shop.
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Wtf????? I thought anodizing was anything but rocket science.
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I have never seen that either. I have always heard anodizers as people were sketchy dudes though
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Another nice thing about Yasnac/Yaskawa is that all of their controller and drive manuals are available online for free, they are very good and very detailed, so doing repairs and modifications is a lot easier. Also support from Yaskawa is very good. Unfortunately they no longer make controllers and just do drives and such.
Friends dad lost a foot in their factory due to them breaking OSHA regs and I do all of their cal work. Fuck a yaskawa.
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I've been burned by an anodizing company before.
All of my parts were stacked, but the didn't clean them and let them dry beforehand. Shit leaked out of the holes and there were blotches of silver and orange all over my gold parts.
Sucks cause in the end your product suffers and nothing they will do will make it right.
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Dave you have the worst luck ever. Remind me never to sit next to you on a plane in the event of water landing. Sorry bro.
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Sending another batch out to anodize today, can't help but wonder how its going to go this time...
I am sending it the guys who fixed the last ones, hopefully they can work with fresh parts.
Here is a picture from the ones from the last batch, they are a matte like finish because they got re done 2-3 times each.
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where is my v8 r1 block and crank????
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Looks good for fixing someone else's Fuck up. Hope it goes better this time around.
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Those look awesome. How are they selling?
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Those look awesome. How are they selling?
I think relatively well considering I haven't told anyone about them, I haven't put them on the website and there is no mention of it on any forums. The first lot of 20 something was gone right away. Most of this batch of 35 is gone. So I'll start working on another batch pretty quick. I think if I advertised them I could move them.
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So like 20-25 a month? That's got to be decent cash. Why arent you pushing them? Just not 100% dialed yet on the anodizing?
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So like 20-25 a month? That's got to be decent cash. Why arent you pushing them? Just not 100% dialed yet on the anodizing?
Its alright. Yeah I don't want to push it until everything is perfect and dead reliable. I keep stock on everything, never backorder. So I just need to get everything bombproof.
The other reason is that I suck at getting word out just because I am too jammed all the time doing shop work. I've had an ad out for a cnc machinist (programming, design and setups) for the last 8-10 months. $35-45/hr+ I've only had a few interviews, one hire that lasted less then 90 days and he was a disaster.
I just spent a few K on a new laptop so I can start doing programming at home. Working on a training a couple operators right now so I can get off the machines. So working on building a bunch of set up sheets, trouble shooting guides, qc checks etc. Not too mention still getting shit dialed in for running lights out, which is exactly 10x more work then just have an operator run a job during the day.
I've at least got my new web page up, still needs work but its loads better then before. So I'm making progress here and there. Its just hard because I am so anal about everything, and have a hard time finding people that can work to my standards.
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Shit id love to run your machines for that kind of scrillex
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Shit id love to run your machines for that kind of scrillex
But could you handle living in Canada? :P
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Shit id love to run your machines for that kind of scrillex
But could you handle living Canada? :P
I could live in Canada, but not in Vancouver.....
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I could live in kelowna but never Vancouver or the island. Fuck that noise.
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Abbotsford isn't Hongcouver.
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From the cow shit smell on is all Vancouver to me.
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Only smells like chicken shit and crackheads here.
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Lol!
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Where is the updates?
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damn shit looks ok from that other shop.
my work does a lot of anodizing of mic 6 and those assholes fuck it up all the time. at least you got a lot of material and they can probably strip them and redo it.
anodizing seems like a pretty easy thing but the shops fuck up all the time.
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The other reason is that I suck at getting word out just because I am too jammed all the time doing shop work. I've had an ad out for a cnc machinist (programming, design and setups) for the last 8-10 months. $35-45/hr+ I've only had a few interviews, one hire that lasted less then 90 days and he was a disaster.
must go to school and learn and then move to Canada and work for you.
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Please do, I need someone not retarded asap.
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I started machining classes, but got laid off from the machine shop I worked for and couldn't find another machining job, lost interest and quit. If I could stomach Canada I'd consider finishing. Lol
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I started machining classes, but got laid off from the machine shop I worked for and couldn't find another machining job, lost interest and quit. If I could stomach Canada I'd consider finishing. Lol
Its just the weather that is bad, its less socialist and personally invading then the USA.
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I know it has its good points. Never dealing with a Florida summer would be one of them. Lol
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Gotta build some tombstones:
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What is that, like $5k in material?
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I think it was more like $7500-8500, I forgot, I ordered it a week and a half ago.
Have 5 bars of 2.5x8 6061 coming (12 footers) next week too. I'm thinking my aluminum salesman should be buying me lunch.
The cool thing is all the remnant cutoffs from the covers I made earlier in this thread are being used for fixturing to make all this fixturing. Real DIY type shit.
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Damn. Is everything more expensive in canada? I calc that out a ~$2.89/lb @ $8k if thats 12" x 20ft 6061? (138.24lb/foot).
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Damn. Is everything more expensive in canada? I calc that out a ~$2.89/lb @ $8k if thats 12" x 20ft 6061? (138.24lb/foot).
Its a different ballgame when you get into the large diameters, there is little stock available, and the there just isn't much demand for the big stuff.
They are 12' bars (at this size its usually 8'). I just looked up the quote, says $7200 for the two bars. Total weight of 3,190lbs, so about $2.25/lb. Not bad for under 2 weeks delivery. If I wanted to get some mill direct stuff from Russia and could wait a month or two I could get this size for $1.90
Pretty much all the 12" round in the USA is 8' lengths, doesn't work so good for me being that I need 24" and 26" slugs.
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Ah. We have coast aluminum around here that common stocks up to 16" round. But $2.25/lb is not bad anyway.
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Ah. We have coast aluminum around here that common stocks up to 16" round. But $2.25/lb is not bad anyway.
But are they 12'ers?
What mill does the aluminum come from?
I can get 8-18" rounds in stock from my local Thyseen Krupp or Alaskan Copper and Brass but not 12'ers.
We talked to Sapa about doing a mill run of 12'ers for us, and they were willing to do it, and we would have gotten great pricing but then one of the guys on this project backed out. And iirc Sapa wanted to run 5 bars minimum. We'll do it next year.
I should mention I am only making 6 tombstones for myself right now. The other 6 are for a friend that has a smaller 5 pallet cell. Early next year I will likely do another run of 6 or so for myself, 6 or more for the same friend I am doing these for now, 10-15 for another friend, and possibly another 5-10 for a different guy. So I should get pretty good at building tombstones here pretty quick.
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I can find out. Everything we get from coast has been 20 footers, including some 8" bar we ran a couple months back.
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Let me know if they can get 20' 12" diameter. I don't know of any mill in the USA was pressing a diameter that large, that long. Alcoa has a press to do it but they've been so backlogged I doubt they would take a simple round profile job like that.
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if i lived closer i'd come work for you. what are you using for programming? working in a plastic injection mould shop is not too exciting. although, the other day we did use the coolant thru on our new machine to drill 132x 4mm holes 1" deep in P20 tool steel in just over 9 minutes.
aaron
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We use Mastercam for mill programming, noggincam or mazatrol for turning, and Solidworks for design.
Only had a half day on Saturday to work on this project, hopefully I'll have all day this nest Saturday to spend on it.
Sawing up bars on the trusty Daito:
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Here is the start of the V block cradle for doing the end work:
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Here is roughly what the tombstones will look like before the subplates are mounted:
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Tombstone, like a headstone at a gravesite?
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Tombstone, like a headstone at a gravesite?
Yeah, its the trade name for these type of fixtures.
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I just wanst sure if it was some industrial part and it was called that because that's what it looked like.
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Yeah its just because they look like tombstones. In North America our tombstones/gravestones are often more of a two sided type column. In Japan they are often more of a 4 sided type column, afaik these machining type tombstones originated in Japan.
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Looks like its meant to hold 4 parts at a time for machining?
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Looks like its meant to hold 4 parts at a time for machining?
Or more, typically you look at stuff like this as "4 parts minimum". In milling, you want to set up as many parts as possible in the machining envelope so that you can amortize rapid movements, tool changes, loading etc.
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I dig. I fabricate the same way when I can. If I'm cutting an angle with the bandsaw, I try to cut that sane angle all of the required times before switching, or drill one size hole as many times as I can before switching to a different size drill bit.
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Ive been working at a company walking through a sea of mazaks all week. Seems super inefficient to automate cnc machines on such a large scale in a non-assembly line type environment.
This company pays these dudes 10 bucks an hour to run 4 machines then fires them in 6months to hire a whole new crew.
You jelly, bro?
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I did that for a while. Spent 80% of my day sitting on a stool, out the part in, clamp it, hit the green button. When its done pull the part out and repeat. Very boring, but $8hr in the 90's when I was 18y/o, it wasn't a bad deal.
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It blows my mind these guys are paid so little and are treated so poorly at this company.
I'd say 80% of their staff is temp and is on a get fired/rehired twice for 6 months schedule then they're jobless.
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Please do, I need someone not retarded asap.
Got any use for a mechanical designer who took nothing but CAD/CAM courses to get his bachelor's degree? Solidworks is my shit. I've used CNC and manual machines. Fairly confident I'm not a retard.
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Dave where you buying your carbide? I've find myself shopping ebay for insert packs, but otherwise it's like carbidedepot.com or some of the copies. The local supply houses seem to mark up 20% on average, and they dont stock anyway.
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The machine shop at the Foundry i work at gets their carbides from MSC and/or ESSCO, if that is helpful? :noel:
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I could mill that shit up with a 5" angle grinder. :P
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I dig. I fabricate the same way when I can. If I'm cutting an angle with the bandsaw, I try to cut that sane angle all of the required times before switching, or drill one size hole as many times as I can before switching to a different size drill bit.
You got it! What you are talking about is more amortizing your setups, but the concept is identical. Speaking of amortizing setups, that is exactly why I have this big 27 pallet cell. Most jobs and fixtures are setup once, after that its loading raw stock and adding it the machining schedule. The offsets, probing cycles, tool life etc are all stored in the program, which permanently resides in the control.
You jelly, bro?
Negative. While there might be a good fish somewhere in there I wouldn't bother fishing in that labor pool.
Got any use for a mechanical designer who took nothing but CAD/CAM courses to get his bachelor's degree? Solidworks is my shit. I've used CNC and manual machines. Fairly confident I'm not a retard.
Possibly. It would depend mostly on your capacity for learning new shit, and being objective, and being able to take criticism. Its a small shop, we are focused on doing things the best way possible, I have no problem using an employees idea over mine if its better (happens often enough) and the opposite needs to be true as well. I don't have time to play games with peoples ego's, insecurities etc.
Another issue I have had with people in this position is some people get scared when we tackle new or complicated stuff. I thrive on learning things I don't know, this position best suites someone with the same attitude.
If you do good work, try hard, and learn it would work fine. I always pay accordingly;)
Here is the career section of my page:
http://www.passengerdiesel.com/company/careers.php (http://www.passengerdiesel.com/company/careers.php)
Dave where you buying your carbide? I've find myself shopping ebay for insert packs, but otherwise it's like carbidedepot.com or some of the copies. The local supply houses seem to mark up 20% on average, and they dont stock anyway.
Can you be a little more specific? Are you just buying generic inserts? Or solidcarbide endmills, drills etc?
I've personally found that spending the time to find the best inserts for a job and then buying them from the same supplier works best for me. Saving money on carbide has never worked for me from both a purchasing (time required) and a tool life perspective.
For most inserted cutters (facemills, chamfer cutters, insert drills etc) I use:
Iscar (mostly for stainless steels)
Mitsubishi (mostly for aluminum)
Korloy (only aluminum)
Nine (everything)
For drills and taps I usually go to OSG first, then Emuge, Nachi etc.
For carbide endmills, spot drills, chamfer mills etc I use DeBoer, Garr, Emuge, Seco and Iscar.
The machine shop at the Foundry i work at gets their carbides from MSC and/or ESSCO, if that is helpful? :noel:
I think you mean Enco?
I could mill that shit up with a 5" angle grinder. :P
Pffft do it with a file O0
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No ESSCO is the facility we buy from not the brand of inserts.
We usually get Sandvik or Kennametal for the inserts and tools. :noel:
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No ESSCO is the facility we buy from not the brand of inserts.
We usually get Sandvik or Kennametal for the inserts and tools. :noel:
Oh ok. Enco isn't a mfg, they are supply place very much like MSC.
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All of our turning tooling is mitsubishi - which seems to work fine although we've never tried anything else. We haven't noticed a difference related to the supplier of inserts for the tooling in terms of wear, just in price...? We are running a lot of medium cut cnmg carbide.
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Sent my stuff along.
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I want something made by you and kissed by easy e on my truck.
5.9 Heater Grid delete spacer as discussd PLZ :O)
Looking into an intake horn too, or at least a flange to RHMT a sheetmetal one :)
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Adam, do you at least have a local mitsu rep or rep from the supplier to make it worth your while paying the extra costs? My purchasing costs are so high that I rarely care about paying a 20% premium and often higher on most anything.
Phate, got your resume I'll give it a look and get back to you.
Spiker, I haven't found I 5.9 ghd laying around here yet, but I am still looking. I did find some baller stainless flanges for making your own intake horn though, I know you want aluminum but all I can offer are the ss ones. They are 5/8" thick and say passenger on the side I even have some that have some npt ports on the side;) I'll upload some pictures tomorrow.
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Adam, do you at least have a local mitsu rep or rep from the supplier to make it worth your while paying the extra costs? My purchasing costs are so high that I rarely care about paying a 20% premium and often higher on most anything.
Phate, got your resume I'll give it a look and get back to you.
Spiker, I haven't found I 5.9 ghd laying around here yet, but I am still looking. I did find some baller stainless flanges for making your own intake horn though, I know you want aluminum but all I can offer are the ss ones. They are 5/8" thick and say passenger on the side I even have some that have some npt ports on the side;) I'll upload some pictures tomorrow.
Cool Let me know and post pics. I can live with SS...
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Look what I found Spiker:
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Made a little progress on the 'stones too, the machining is simple but the size and weight of the parts makes handling them a big pain in the ass. The machine only swings 23.62". These are 12" diameter and 26" long, wish I could just use the FMS to load them in:(
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FUCK YES DAVE!