:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Engine Management => Topic started by: NoPistons! on March 18, 2013, 02:47:32 PM
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http://www.wide-band.com/catalog/1 (http://www.wide-band.com/catalog/1)
Just throwing it out there. I've seen comparison between LC1 and this, all their products come with lifetime warranty and are very well priced. Thinking i'll give it a go and let yall know how it turns out. =D
If you have one, feel free to post your experience!
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Wow, dealz!!
http://www.wide-band.com/bpsx_digital_wideband_wbo_controller_enclosure_display_boschsensor (http://www.wide-band.com/bpsx_digital_wideband_wbo_controller_enclosure_display_boschsensor)
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In cause I want to check this out when I'm not at work and have time.
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Not sure how the settings work with just one button.
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I'll find out. Ordered one about 5 minutes ago. :noel:
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I thinks it's all set up via software like an lc1. Those only have one button
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it looks slow time refresh showing afr, does it?
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The guy has great ebay reviews so far.
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shit. just bought a PLX off a member here... but might buy one of these for the EK (or swap them around)... looks like deals.
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For $100 it doesnt seem bad, I wonder if you can hook it up to data log?
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Being the slightly intelligent being I think I am, it looks like the ANA connection would be for logging.
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Site states it has a analog output, narrowband output, and serial com.
You could definitely log through an Ecu, but would need to look into it more if you wanted to try serial logging through things like eCtune or Crome like they do with the innovate stuff
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As far as I know, Neptune is the only software that will direct serial log afr. All the others need to be wired in to the ecu
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Do you mean this wideband or an innovate etc?
I thought crome could do it but can't find it online and don't have my laptop on me to check settings.
I know eCtune does it, I have done it on my car.
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im not up on ectune, but the only way to log a wideband with crome is to wire it right to the ecu. there is a way to log everything with logworks from innovate, but i never got it to work
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Bosch sensor. Pass.
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Need equipment to make critical measurements? Buy the cheapest shit you can find! It totally works, guys. No, seriously.
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When everything else sucks.. why not?
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Need equipment to make critical measurements? Buy the cheapest shit you can find! It totally works, guys. No, seriously.
It's not exactly critical stuff...get it close with a wideband, read some plugs, call it good.
If Bosch sensors were so terrible, would OEMs run them? Would as many turbo cars still living today who've been tuned with them still be running? Get off your fucking measurement equipment high horse... :-*
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I go cheap because i'm just fucking around. I also like untapped resources. It's fun. if my engine goes pop i'm not even worried about it. Lol. Not like it's anything special or expensive. If it works out i have something to recommend my friends. I sold one my 14point7 and shipped my lc1 bnib out today to an out of state interest. We all know those are in the ballpark and work. This thing? Who knows? I'm willing to take the risk for science tho!
Bosch sensor. Pass.
I know you're partial to your ngk afx and the accuracy it provides. Nothing wrong with that.
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Need equipment to make critical measurements? Buy the cheapest shit you can find! It totally works, guys. No, seriously.
It's not exactly critical stuff...get it close with a wideband, read some plugs, call it good.
If Bosch sensors were so terrible, would OEMs run them? Would as many turbo cars still living today who've been tuned with them still be running? Get off your fucking measurement equipment high horse... :-*
Oems engineer cars to fail shortly after the waranty expires.
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Like gaybars?
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Genau.
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My thoughts were to use it permanently mounted and not for tuning. I'll tune with my LM2, then just have that to hopefully notice a problem early before melted piston ensues.
With that said, I have never cared to have a wideband in a car once the tune was done. But at half the cost of an lc1, I just might.
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Need equipment to make critical measurements? Buy the cheapest shit you can find! It totally works, guys. No, seriously.
It's not exactly critical stuff...get it close with a wideband, read some plugs, call it good.
If Bosch sensors were so terrible, would OEMs run them? Would as many turbo cars still living today who've been tuned with them still be running? Get off your fucking measurement equipment high horse... :-*
Oems engineer cars to fail shortly after the waranty expires.
OEMs must have a lot of terrible engineers judging by the amount of high mileage cars out there still running. So, no they don't, by saying that you're just proving you're a fucking moron, again.
It's not a lab grade sensor, we're not in a lab. Get over it.
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I mildly agree on designing cars to fall apart after the warranty. It's kind of impossible to do that, so they keep going with repairs. I'm sure the car makers would love to have a Hobbs switch to self destruct the car at 100,000 miles.
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Need equipment to make critical measurements? Buy the cheapest shit you can find! It totally works, guys. No, seriously.
It's not exactly critical stuff...get it close with a wideband, read some plugs, call it good.
If Bosch sensors were so terrible, would OEMs run them? Would as many turbo cars still living today who've been tuned with them still be running? Get off your fucking measurement equipment high horse... :-*
Oems engineer cars to fail shortly after the waranty expires.
OEMs must have a lot of terrible engineers judging by the amount of high mileage cars out there still running. So, no they don't, by saying that you're just proving you're a fucking moron, again.
It's not a lab grade sensor, we're not in a lab. Get over it.
Its called designed obsolesence and automotive manufactures basically invented it, pr atleast perfected it.
I work with engineers every day who tell me about this shit. It doesnt exist in aviation/defence but it runs rampant in everything consumer grade. An engineer at an undisclosed company we work for bitched at us for about 2 hours about how he and his team had designed a water heater that had 2xs the efficency of anything on the market and lasted 99 years in their simulations. Executive staff found out about the project and told them to redesign it to last 10 years or scrap the project all together.
It exists in almost every component of automotive manufacturing.
How many high mile cars from 1999 do you see driving around? 95? 90? 85? They're getting better at timing the destruction of the cars, making the cars less economocal to repair and making the owners feel as if they need to replace their car sooner through mechanics like the interior falling apart sooner.
Blahblahblah it doesnt need to be lab grade blah blah blah. Why the fuck not? If youre taking the time and making the effort to measure something, why wouldnt you want to be more correct about your measurements? This is something we could work on in the automotove community to build better product, tune better, etc. Why are you set on making shit slop because it appears to work?
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Both you faggots are taking this shit way out of control. Chill it out or i'll remove/lock the thread. It's a damn wideband we're discussing here. Why be analogous to mass production automakers as ammo to stake an argument that's irrelevant?!
I just want to see if this fucker works and is worth the $100. Plenty of tuners use bosch sensors without any major issues really. They are $50 give or take to replace when they go out. it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Relax. If you want to spend $200-350 on a wideband because it's the best for your app and your peace of mind MORE POWER TO YOU. :noel:
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Let us know then MF, thanks for being the guinea pig. Now go work on your car.
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Need equipment to make critical measurements? Buy the cheapest shit you can find! It totally works, guys. No, seriously.
It's not exactly critical stuff...get it close with a wideband, read some plugs, call it good.
It is when your reputation is based off of it. When you want the car to perform it's best and not leave power on the table that could be safely made. When everyone has a fevered little fucking ego and makes pulling a fender on someone else into an episode of Jerry Springer, does the last 10 whp matter?
If Bosch sensors were so terrible, would OEMs run them? Would as many turbo cars still living today who've been tuned with them still be running? Get off your fucking measurement equipment high horse... :-*
There is a vast difference between using a Bosch sensor to control closed loop operation, and tuning an engine with a Bosch sensor. The OEMs do not use Bosch sensors to tune with.
By your logic, if AEM widebands sucked nobody would buy them. Well they do suck, and technological illiterates line up to buy them. They are not merely inaccurate, but the Vout so unstable as to be completely unusable, and people continue to buy them in quantity. It's really funny when the dollar vs time to own an NTK based setup is break even for most enthusiasts, and Bosch sensors a fiscal loss for a part time street tuner after the second year... 4-6 months at a busy dyno shop and they are throwing money away.
"Ideal" AFR for a reasonably designed water jacketed motor is nominally 12:1, max cooling is 11.5:1 and any richer promotes misfires. The difference between a Bosch and NTK sensor is 0->1.5 points, with 1 to 1.5 points being average, in a reasonably well designed exhaust tract - this means no unusually high heat or pressure to skew the sensors, particularly the Bosch sensors that will not tolerate it. Too close to the heat source? Does the 3" exhaust neck down to 1.5" crush bent going over the rear axle a la Pigfucker? Guess how that shit reads.
I deal, every day, in practical applications where cost is THE biggest factor. I'm talking about buying $300 in gear, expecting it to last longer than any same type gear you've owned or your friends have owned, and have it make a noticeable impact on the quality of your tuning. I am not talking theory, or I saw it once or twice, or read about it on a forum and it's supposedly hot shit. I'm talking about I've owned more widebands than everyone else in this thread combined, I work with widebands for a living, and I've owned the current NTK rig for 3.5 years and I am impressed.
You don't want to listen? People like you make me look good.
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BTW, I intend to buy one of these, verify it doesn't suck shit through a straw by comparing it to my PLX M250 and NGK AFX (which read the same as each other across years and sensors at low load, with a carved in stone split under load on certain vehicles), and then use it for a wideband leanburn closed loop so I can save mpgs when I drive to and from your mom's house to fuck her.
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Will that happen in the same timeframe as the 14point7 wideband? If so I'm holding my breath in anticipation. see you guys in hell!!! :-*
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They ship fast as fuck. JD, my mum prolly would enjoy it. Want her cell number? Also i know you make your bread of your rep as a tuner. Nothing but respect. I'm just a hobbyist fucking around. I do get paid to work on cars and shit but it's nothing fancy. Again, just a hobby.
For the record, fuck aem. I've been on that tip ever since the $200 cold air intake was invented. I hear alot of mixed things about their wideband especially and opted to stay the hell away from it. Lot of nissan "tuners" told me "it's the best one you can get" and i didn't even respect that opinion with a response.
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Word. As soon as customer car leaves my driveway and is paid for it's on to testing.
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Looking forward to seeing the results. :noel:
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I should be able to get a safe tune out of it. Have nothing to compare it against but if JD picks one up and puts it up against the baller units that might let you know where this thing stands. I'd wait on his results.
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If I get one, I'll log it against my LM2 and post results. I have way too much shit going on right now to bother though.
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Will that happen in the same timeframe as the 14point7 wideband? If so I'm holding my breath in anticipation. see you guys in hell!!! :-*
It's been installed in a friend's car for a little over a year. Great part throttle accuracy, read .3-.4 richer than my "trusted" Bosch units (8 year old PLX, LM-2, both of which always agree with each other) and with the accepted split at WOT with regard to the NTK sensors, and above all the unit consistently reads the same thing. I'd need to see 6-8 more to get a feel for how accurate they are overall, but Alan To > shit sourced from china by a disreputable company known for glitchy product sooooo I expect they all read the same.
They ship fast as fuck. JD, my mum prolly would enjoy it. Want her cell number? Also i know you make your bread of your rep as a tuner. Nothing but respect. I'm just a hobbyist fucking around. I do get paid to work on cars and shit but it's nothing fancy. Again, just a hobby.
Which is why I offer feedback. Nothing worse than watching someone bright enough to have a good time, and reasonable success, rolling their own fall on their face because the general forum consensus is to buy garbage product that doesn't work.
And, PM mom's number. I'll pee in her butt.
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Will that happen in the same timeframe as the 14point7 wideband? If so I'm holding my breath in anticipation. see you guys in hell!!! :-*
It's been installed in a friend's car for a little over a year. Great part throttle accuracy, read .3-.4 richer than my "trusted" Bosch units (8 year old PLX, LM-2, both of which always agree with each other) and with the accepted split at WOT with regard to the NTK sensors, and above all the unit consistently reads the same thing. I'd need to see 6-8 more to get a feel for how accurate they are overall, but Alan To > shit sourced from china by a disreputable company known for glitchy product sooooo I expect they all read the same.
They ship fast as fuck. JD, my mum prolly would enjoy it. Want her cell number? Also i know you make your bread of your rep as a tuner. Nothing but respect. I'm just a hobbyist fucking around. I do get paid to work on cars and shit but it's nothing fancy. Again, just a hobby.
Which is why I offer feedback. Nothing worse than watching someone bright enough to have a good time, and reasonable success, rolling their own fall on their face because the general forum consensus is to buy garbage product that doesn't work.
And, PM mom's number. I'll pee in her butt.
I have a 14point7 and compared to the used UEGO AEM gauge it is way better. Also it has provisions of datalogging, and display options are plentiful.
And I agree Alan To's shit > CDM & AEM crap
No incite on other than Bosch O2s, but 17014s work fine for me so far. :noel:
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That is the first indication I have ever seen that you had your hands on one. Good to know.
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checking it against another sensor is kinda ghetto. I can do it by electrical simulation on a 5520A if someone sends me one to check.
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True but stuffing multiple sensors in the exhaust with multiple gauges on the dyno wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
Edit: Real time logging of all data on all sensors on a control car would yield the results everyone's after. Seeing JD post about wideband accuracy in another thread made me wonder and why NOT pit all the widebands on the market against one another to see what's the most bang for the buck. Very good topic!
Also, in hindsight i kinda wished i had just stuffed the 14point7, innovate LC-1 and the bpsx on a car, put a camera on all 3 gauges and did a pull. There's several local turbo cars (guy down the street as an evo and 1st gen dsm with a massive fmic and 20g, dude about 5 min's away has a fully built ls dc4 teg. Guy who works at the plant next door to mine turbocharged his rsx. Not much done tot he outside. He has to share a parking lot with ricers. He's got a clean carbon gt wing and a lip kit with stock wheels and lowering springs. There's 2 eg coups in town that are clean enough to eat off of. One turbocharged and the exhaust is quiet as a mouse. He wont pop his hood. =( And at the bank a couple months ago i saw a turbocharged dc4 weathered to shit, and mostly stock. Quiet but had a thick older tube and fin fmic (looked like the older hks, spearco and greddy cores. not no cdm or junkyard stuff) and the grill cut out the bumper. Everyone else is pretty much a bullshitting ricer. I can't list what but he does have alot of aem shit including ems and wideband. I dont even want to know how much he's spent on that thing. Friend of mine knows them. I dont. I'll get on it though and see if we can't get everyone together. It's crazy all the tuners are disbanded in a place where v8's and turbo diesels are pretty much owning it. I hang out with what's left of my old skater/bmx clique....the ones that didn't do things to cause a drastic course of life change in a negative direction anyway..... We're all too sore to smash our bodies into the ground, stairs, handrails, walls going 20mph anymore so are cars the next best thing. I also know of a dyno within 35 minutes drive.
Can't make any promises but i'll do what i can. I work 12 days a month. The rest? I have some free time. :noel:
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checking it against another sensor is kinda ghetto. I can do it by electrical simulation on a 5520A if someone sends me one to check.
No.
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checking it against another sensor is kinda ghetto. I can do it by electrical simulation on a 5520A if someone sends me one to check.
No.
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I see no better way to compare them than on a car data logging with graphs.
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Doing it with a synthesized signal is the best. comparing against another sensor with the same accuracy in an unregulated envrionment ( even having them close together is not going to be effective). With a 5520 and a 3458 (Both are NIST traceable and A2LA acred) would get by doing it sensor to sensor.
trust it nagger :P
fat fingering my stupid phone on an edit.
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True but stuffing multiple sensors in the exhaust with multiple gauges on the dyno wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
Edit: Real time logging of all data on all sensors on a control car would yield the results everyone's after. Seeing JD post about wideband accuracy in another thread made me wonder and why NOT pit all the widebands on the market against one another to see what's the most bang for the buck. Very good topic!
Also, in hindsight i kinda wished i had just stuffed the 14point7, innovate LC-1 and the bpsx on a car, put a camera on all 3 gauges and did a pull. There's several local turbo cars (guy down the street as an evo and 1st gen dsm with a massive fmic and 20g, dude about 5 min's away has a fully built ls dc4 teg. Guy who works at the plant next door to mine turbocharged his rsx. Not much done tot he outside. He has to share a parking lot with ricers. He's got a clean carbon gt wing and a lip kit with stock wheels and lowering springs. There's 2 eg coups in town that are clean enough to eat off of. One turbocharged and the exhaust is quiet as a mouse. He wont pop his hood. =( And at the bank a couple months ago i saw a turbocharged dc4 weathered to shit, and mostly stock. Quiet but had a thick older tube and fin fmic (looked like the older hks, spearco and greddy cores. not no cdm or junkyard stuff) and the grill cut out the bumper. Everyone else is pretty much a bullshitting ricer. I can't list what but he does have alot of aem shit including ems and wideband. I dont even want to know how much he's spent on that thing. Friend of mine knows them. I dont. I'll get on it though and see if we can't get everyone together. It's crazy all the tuners are disbanded in a place where v8's and turbo diesels are pretty much owning it. I hang out with what's left of my old skater/bmx clique....the ones that didn't do things to cause a drastic course of life change in a negative direction anyway..... We're all too sore to smash our bodies into the ground, stairs, handrails, walls going 20mph anymore so are cars the next best thing. I also know of a dyno within 35 minutes drive.
Can't make any promises but i'll do what i can. I work 12 days a month. The rest? I have some free time. :noel:
We will be having the RHMT/TT.net dyno day soon. If a few widebands were to be there it would be a good time to run them against each other.
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I have a demon, I could log at least 5 widebands at the same time on the same car. Might need an external power source to heat all 5 sensors though. Lol
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True but stuffing multiple sensors in the exhaust with multiple gauges on the dyno wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
Edit: Real time logging of all data on all sensors on a control car would yield the results everyone's after. Seeing JD post about wideband accuracy in another thread made me wonder and why NOT pit all the widebands on the market against one another to see what's the most bang for the buck. Very good topic!
Also, in hindsight i kinda wished i had just stuffed the 14point7, innovate LC-1 and the bpsx on a car, put a camera on all 3 gauges and did a pull. There's several local turbo cars (guy down the street as an evo and 1st gen dsm with a massive fmic and 20g, dude about 5 min's away has a fully built ls dc4 teg. Guy who works at the plant next door to mine turbocharged his rsx. Not much done tot he outside. He has to share a parking lot with ricers. He's got a clean carbon gt wing and a lip kit with stock wheels and lowering springs. There's 2 eg coups in town that are clean enough to eat off of. One turbocharged and the exhaust is quiet as a mouse. He wont pop his hood. =( And at the bank a couple months ago i saw a turbocharged dc4 weathered to shit, and mostly stock. Quiet but had a thick older tube and fin fmic (looked like the older hks, spearco and greddy cores. not no cdm or junkyard stuff) and the grill cut out the bumper. Everyone else is pretty much a bullshitting ricer. I can't list what but he does have alot of aem shit including ems and wideband. I dont even want to know how much he's spent on that thing. Friend of mine knows them. I dont. I'll get on it though and see if we can't get everyone together. It's crazy all the tuners are disbanded in a place where v8's and turbo diesels are pretty much owning it. I hang out with what's left of my old skater/bmx clique....the ones that didn't do things to cause a drastic course of life change in a negative direction anyway..... We're all too sore to smash our bodies into the ground, stairs, handrails, walls going 20mph anymore so are cars the next best thing. I also know of a dyno within 35 minutes drive.
Can't make any promises but i'll do what i can. I work 12 days a month. The rest? I have some free time. :noel:
We will be having the RHMT/TT.net dyno day soon. If a few widebands were to be there it would be a good time to run them against each other.
That be awesome if some research done at these dyno meets. :noel:
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Face palm.
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I am enjoying the fact that rawr is distressed by people wanting to test things outside of a lab.
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It's a good idea to do both.
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Considering they are being tested in the exact manner they will be used, it seems perfect to me.
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its like checking a bunch of micrometers against each other on a piece of foam that you checked with a ruler. You will get results but basically you will just be verifying that something works, not that it is accurate and assuming the more expensive piece of hardware is functioning perfectly.
It doesn't need to be done in a lab, you can do it at home with a like fluke 87 and any power supply thatch flat enough to use and had its output monitored before the test. -
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its like checking a bunch of micrometers against each other on a piece of foam that you checked with a ruler. You will get results but basically you will just be verifying that something works, not that it is accurate and assuming the more expensive piece of hardware is functioning perfectly.
It doesn't need to be done in a lab, you can do it at home with a like fluke 87 and any power supply thatch flat enough to use and had its output monitored before the test. -
If it's being compared against a unit that's known to be good i.e. JD's trusty PLX/Bosch combo, it'd be more like "Here is a micrometer that measures accurately enough so it can tell me if this part is within spec and will fit in the hole, let's check these other micrometers we're not sure of and see if the measurement is the same." Does it matter if the original micrometer is out by a few thou compared to what the true (read: lab) measurement is? Nope. Doesn't matter.
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Ok. I understand that you dont care if your shit sucks.
Why are you so butthurt over me saying id check shit for free in a lab using the correct method and accredited, nist traceable standards? Isnt checking one piece of hardware and assuming the rest are ok ghetto enough for you? We might find out something like the 50 dollar piece of hardware, when isolated from a sensor is more accurate than an lc1. Something you would never have the posibility of knowing doing it the wrong way.
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I'm not butthurt, I'm just tired of having you come into every thread about anything sensor related yammering about lab this, lab that, like it's impossible to conduct any meaningful testing in the real world.
If you're all about helping advance tech available, quit asking someone to send you free stuff, spend 50 dollars (you drive a gaybar still right? so you have the sensor) and DIY.
The rest of us will compare things to shit we know works empirically and it will be good enough for 99% of this site.
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Considering that this group of people originally came together with HF manifolds, 14b turbos and dsm side mount intercoolers mounted in Hondas. We will test our equipment the same way. I wasn't knocking the lab, but it seems overkill. Plus we get to use a cars charging system which is how the unit will be used.
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I'm not butthurt, I'm just tired of having you come into every thread about anything sensor related yammering about lab this, lab that, like it's impossible to conduct any meaningful testing in the real world.
If you're all about helping advance tech available, quit asking someone to send you free stuff, spend 50 dollars (you drive a gaybar still right? so you have the sensor) and DIY.
The rest of us will compare things to shit we know works empirically and it will be good enough for 99% of this site.
Caleb's method is correct, I just like giving him hell.
And, he's not asking for free shit. He's saying he'll cal your shit for free, so everyone knows what it really is/does, which is a service that companies pay $50-thousands for depending on what it is.
You may not like the guy, but he cals shit for nuclear reactors, and NASA. I don't particularly care for Passenger and how he doesn't have a corncob stuffed up his ass - it's the entire corn field - but I STFU and listen when he talks about what he knows. Get over your dislike and listen, Brett.
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This thread is bad and you should feel bad
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When it comes to nasa and nuclear energy the acceptable margin for error is ZERO so if he does it like that, i trust that method.
Considering that this group of people originally came together with HF manifolds, 14b turbos and dsm side mount intercoolers mounted in Hondas.
That's why i came here and never left. I thought that shit was cool. Fags in highschool jacking off to spoon engines and type r this and that they can't afford because they fuck off all day in school and are failing everything caring more how other dudes and whores see them vs seeing into their own future. Then one day back in 04 or 05 i find og-hmt and am like "this is fucking rad".
I'm not butthurt, I'm just tired of having you come into every thread about anything sensor related yammering about lab this, lab that, like it's impossible to conduct any meaningful testing in the real world.
If you're all about helping advance tech available, quit asking someone to send you free stuff, spend 50 dollars (you drive a gaybar still right? so you have the sensor) and DIY.
The rest of us will compare things to shit we know works empirically and it will be good enough for 99% of this site.
Put your penis and the ruler away. You are both right technically. Get over it.
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I'm not butthurt, I'm just tired of having you come into every thread about anything sensor related yammering about lab this, lab that, like it's impossible to conduct any meaningful testing in the real world.
If you're all about helping advance tech available, quit asking someone to send you free stuff, spend 50 dollars (you drive a gaybar still right? so you have the sensor) and DIY.
The rest of us will compare things to shit we know works empirically and it will be good enough for 99% of this site.
Caleb's method is correct, I just like giving him hell.
And, he's not asking for free shit. He's saying he'll cal your shit for free, so everyone knows what it really is/does, which is a service that companies pay $50-thousands for depending on what it is.
You may not like the guy, but he cals shit for nuclear reactors, and NASA. I don't particularly care for Passenger and how he doesn't have a corncob stuffed up his ass - it's the entire corn field - but I STFU and listen when he talks about what he knows. Get over your dislike and listen, Brett.
I know his method is correct, and that's not what I'm knocking.
I like rawr, I know he's good people I just get aggro when he's got an attitude.
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When he has an attitude? Huehuehuehue
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I thinks it's all set up via software like an lc1. Those only have one button
lc1 are cool but the ngk afx oh well i will figure out thanks jd
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Maybe a way to save some money on these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BPSX-D1-Digital-Wideband-WBO-Controller-/171009618857?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d0f7b3a9&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BPSX-D1-Digital-Wideband-WBO-Controller-/171009618857?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d0f7b3a9&vxp=mtr)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BPSX-D1-Digital-Wideband-WBO-Controller-Enclosure-/171009624122?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d0f7c83a&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BPSX-D1-Digital-Wideband-WBO-Controller-Enclosure-/171009624122?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d0f7c83a&vxp=mtr)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BPSX-D1-Digital-Wideband-WBO-Controller-Controller-Enclosure-Display-/171009621916?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d0f7bf9c&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BPSX-D1-Digital-Wideband-WBO-Controller-Controller-Enclosure-Display-/171009621916?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d0f7bf9c&vxp=mtr)
:noel: :noel: :noel: :noel: :noel:
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I wonder if it will let you program the NB output.
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so anyone got and tested one of these out yet? my EK is gonna need one. to lazy to be swapping wide bands around anymore.
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Any of you niggers know a gauge that works with an old school non-linear WBO output?
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so anyone got and tested one of these out yet? my EK is gonna need one. to lazy to be swapping wide bands around anymore.
It works if that's what you're asking. I have NOTHING to compare it to to tell you how well though. Just wire tied that shit in a muffler and did a few pulls with it. Not much else. Can't log because no megasquirt in that car but everything looked about right.
Hang tight for the real science. I'd get more into it if i wasn't so fucking busy. My actual car this is going on has been so neglected the past month....
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What would be the most accurate sensor to get with this if I was to buy one without the bosch unit?
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NTK
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I didn't read anyone's posts in here 'cept JD's and the snippet quotes within, however I'll say this:
Alan To > * :-p
Why? Because he's no-bullshit. I like him a lot.
Also, if you want low price, wait for this: http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2083 (http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2083)
Or just get his current Spartan unit for 105usd + shipping. It's his latest greatest technology, and given his evolution in this stuff, I guarantee it's good shit. One of the FreeEMS guys has one and is using it on his vehicle, no complaints there.
Fred.
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I didn't read anyone's posts in here 'cept JD's and the snippet quotes within, however I'll say this:
Alan To > * :-p
Why? Because he's no-bullshit. I like him a lot.
Also, if you want low price, wait for this: http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2083 (http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2083)
Or just get his current Spartan unit for 105usd + shipping. It's his latest greatest technology, and given his evolution in this stuff, I guarantee it's good shit. One of the FreeEMS guys has one and is using it on his vehicle, no complaints there.
Fred.
Good info Fred. :noel:
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Very much good info. How about starting a different fucking thread?
Let me go find YOUR threads and post about something better than YOUR shit in ever way in your thread that's proven to be better than your shit with no information whatsoever about the controller or whatever it is you want to get because god forbid there is OTHER shit on the market..... What the fuck happened to this place?
By the way, are Alan To's nuts delicious?
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Thread stickied, and any further NoPenis! contribution to the EM forum will be deleted.
Thanks.
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Thanks for bringing it back! <3 Is this guy the owner of that site? I had a guy get on the diyefi forum faking being an interested party, pretty lame.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haDMJof103g&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haDMJof103g&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
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Reported
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I wonder what service after the sale would be like.
Being I asked him a couple of questions on one of his auctions on EBay for this unit about 3 weeks ago and never got an answer I'm beginning to think it would be lacking.
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well I got one coming for the EK...
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Alan To was always prompt with responses/free updated products.. even though I never actually got the thing to offset ground properly.
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You should have waited for advanceauto.com to have a sale. Last time I got an instant $20 off $50 and picked the sensor up in-store half a mile from me for $36.
Keep us updated on it. I think my brother is getting on for his race car, so I'd end up using one.
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Is there a plug for the sensor to plug into the controller, or do you have to cut and direct wire?
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Is there a plug for the sensor to plug into the controller, or do you have to cut and direct wire?
direct. i might add one in today.
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Is there a plug for the sensor to plug into the controller, or do you have to cut and direct wire?
direct. i might add one in today.
ugggh, that sucks.
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Is there a plug for the sensor to plug into the controller, or do you have to cut and direct wire?
direct. i might add one in today.
ugggh, that sucks.
Spend a few more bucks and buy a connector. My old 14point7 JAW didn't have a connector either.
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ugggh, that sucks.
Not as much as the test pipe in the video!!! :-o I can't believe that they published that. Are they trying to sell ONLY to the RHMT crowd with all that bird-shit weld, or is it a joke, or what? ROFL. What comedy!
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Any market for a wbo2 test box?
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Any market for a wbo2 test box?
Not to the low end market as they don't care to understand, and not to the high end marlet as they've paid to not have to worry.
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As much hate as this seller has gotten for designing an affordable WB, I have to give him a little bit of credit for his finished product being somewhat presentable. The enclosure looks decent and the product does function within the expectations in the sea of nomenclature wideband o2 options out there. The business owner is purely amateur and it shows in his selection of sluggish mazda cars (along with the noted pigeon poop welding) but it looks like he has tried by presenting a somewhat finished/polished product at a reasonable price.
Now by playing devil's advocate I feel justified in speaking for the rest of the crowd. I'm a full supporter for Alan's JAW project and helped him with some advice when he was first launching his product. I also am guilty of owning those stupid narrow band "ricer light show" gauges in the past followed by an AEM WB gauge and then an Innovate. Instead of moving forward in the evolutionary chain I regressed. Anymore I just don't run gauges (canned tune) in fear of car-jackers seeing the gauge clusters and simply stealing my shit. On my Chevy I bandaid the fuck out of anything I can; because I can. Sloppy setup or not, I'm here to fairly judge this WB product.
So all things being considered I would like to possibly give this WB a shot. Sure the car gods have ruled that it is inaccurate on the most important readings of 11-15, sure the designer/owner drives a miata and most likely loves dick (g/f had one and I drove it for a while... that's all). I am kinda partial to give one of his fly-by-night WB units a shot because it is cheap enough. I can source a much hated Bosch o2 local for pretty cheap so for $54... eh?... why not?
Perhaps the company will release a v2 that will be more accurate? I don't know why nobody has stepped up to rep him yet like the support for Alan, I also don't know why JD hasn't tested this unit yet. New company.. maybe? It's hard to imagine a person developing a car product not be known on car forums, and this forum is a good one that has active members on about all the other ones.
That's my 2 cents on the matter and I hope that my contribution makes a positive difference. I'm trying to be open about the matter.. If it doesn't jive well with the set expectations than... well... FUCK YOU
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2 cents? Nigga thats like 15 dollars.
Holy quadnie post.
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still trying to get the gain dialed in... but it works....as far as it turns on and reads numbers (not that they are correct/incorrect).
:Jew:
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I'm not saying it isn't viable as far as Bosch implementations go - no one expects those to be terribly accurate. I'm just saying the designer hasn't a fucking clue. Tests his wideband against an Innovate with no control, and any discrepancy between the two is the other product's fault. Right. That makes me want to stay away.
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I don't know why nobody has stepped up to rep him yet like the support for Alan, I also don't know why JD hasn't tested this unit yet.
Alan earned the respect and backing that he has by being completely honest and transparent! This guy is either completely brain-dead or about as honest as any of your American politicians (not that they're much worse than others, mind you... just more powerful...).
I'm just saying the designer hasn't a fucking clue.
Wait till you see Alan's latest post on the matter. He told me this stuff on the phone a few weeks back, and asked me not to mention it to be fair to the guy. Looks like the guy didn't act professionally and Alan lost his ability to not tell the truth/expose the shit for what it is: shit.
Thread I created after watching video to gain some value from the 20 minutes that I felt violated in having lost: http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2138 (http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2138)
Skip to this post if you wish to read what Alan wrote: http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?p=34569#p34569 (http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?p=34569#p34569)
PS, even if it's just because he really is brain-dead, and not dishonest/malicious, this shit is important, and I take it seriously, and he's gunna cause piston-death, and that's not cool. Fuck him with a piece of rusty bird shit gas-less MIG welded RHMT manifold leftovers.
Fred.
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April 29th was when i was approached with this: "We do a new gauge for Bpsx D1 and We're going to complete it in recent time. We would like to send you free our new gauge for the inspection and then let us know about its behavior. Our new gauge also will be compatible Innovate's wideband controllers. If you accept us please let us know. Thanks." -direct out of the email i received from them/him.
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Still hasn't showed up. Not that i'm mad. It looks like shit.
That video was taken down.
Also noticed the bpsx support forum is gone also. Seems like some sketch shit going on. I feel bad for all the miata owners that are buying this. LC-1 time.....again.
I can't read JD. Sowweeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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So I was right? lulz
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really? fuck. I have one. and only used it for a couple mins.... :?:
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LC-1 on the way. I had a nice long talk with Rick B. He's making shit right with me. Rest assured he's not out to screw anyone over if that was the basis of everyone getting overly pissed at all this. Deep down i feel he really cares about the grassroots scene. You can buy whatever wideband you want. That's freedom of choice. You dont like what a company is doing, bitching about it on the internet knowing damn well it will probably take a while for the company to catch wind isn't doing shit. Above gauge is being redesigned. That was a prototype. Email has been changed, servers have been changed and i didn't ask how many people were keeping up with web management but heard what i needed to. Dude does give a fuck about his customers.
Some yall sound like a bunch of 10 year olds arguing about who saw more side mosquito bite boob than who watching classmates run laps in tank tops. Want accuracy? You're going to pay $300-600 for it and i hope you are tuning more cars than just your own to or race professionally to get your moneys worth. Want something to get by on? The market is o-plenty with $140-199 widebands.
I'll go put my penis up now before i raw rape your mothers with it dead or alive. If you haven't tested the shit against another wideband YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP because i promise 9 out of 10 would rather see that data over theoretical vaginal blood.
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Mr Rager
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Well put
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Ive got a 3458a and a 5520a on my desk that says i dont have to test shit against another wideband. And can give you accurate, absolute numbers at a ratio of waaaay the fuck over 4:1. Testing against another wideband is 1:1 at best with shitfucktons of uncertainty thrown in.
I checked out my lc-1 and it read within spec and with what id feel comfortable with.
I said id cal one for free (300 dollar service atleast for this one off shit) and only minor threat offered to send one but i had to go to texas for 2 weeks when he was going to send it and didnt want to bogart his gear that long.
Ya fuckin renobs
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Alan To of 14point7.com fame got an email from our man saying he'd send a fully calibrated ready to roll unit to him to measure and test. Expect results if/when it arrives.
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only minor threat offered to send one but i had to go to texas for 2 weeks when he was going to send it and didnt want to bogart his gear that long.
Ya fuckin renobs
I can send you both my VEMS and my 14point7 unit. I just got a set of dual LC1 with my dyno so I don't need either one back ASAP. Pm me your address noggle.
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MMMMM Data.
Mr. Rager. Lmao.
I have heard good and bad testimony about several different widebands. We all have. Sent that out yesterday morning. Not to completely shit the product down but the LC-1 complete package was a mere $55 more. You can't beat it for the money i dont think. Can't say that about the bpsx which was used against the lc-1 in a poorly controlled experiment. THAT is what really pissed me off. I'm waiting on the cold hard facts and data in detail like everyone else is because i'm pretty sure engine explosion isn't covered under the bpsx warranty. Video got taken down for a reason. I'd like to know why. Either something to hide or innovate is going to break a foot off in dat ass.
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Some yall sound like a bunch of 10 year olds arguing about who saw more side mosquito bite boob than who watching classmates run laps in tank tops. Want accuracy? You're going to pay $300-600 for it and i hope you are tuning more cars than just your own to or race professionally to get your moneys wort.
Because accuracy doesn't matter on your own car, and the time/effort you invested in it.
The tone of your first recent post to this forum was fine, the other two were not. See also: coherent, logical, technical content. Watch yourself before your password and recovery email get changed.
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Oh it definitely mattered when it broke. Like clockwork.
For the record i DID delete my account and 2 threads. Someone un-did that and i'm not sure why. I came back on here looking for email addresses just so if something did fuck up with the controller i picked up and nobody was testing them i could report it and save a few motors/financial headaches because it's wrong NOT to flat out say something about it.
Aint scurred. Make sure the bus is flat black and does wheelies. :noel:
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You need to be aware of who wears the pants in this relationship. In soviet russia, RHMT deletes you.
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You need to be aware of who wears the pants in this relationship. In soviet russia, RHMT deletes you.
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You need to be aware of who wears the pants in this relationship. In soviet russia, RHMT deletes you.
I know you're serious but i laughed my ass off reading that. Aint no Kevorkian for the wicked.... Fair enough. Damn sure isn't my house. I just take a dump in the top tank occasionally to one up the people simply pissing on the seat. I apologize for that.
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You crude piece of scum.
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Also, I'm not wearing anything at all, FYI. :-p
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Alan's final results available now: http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?p=35616#p35616 (http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?p=35616#p35616)
Yes, it sucks, badly.
Fred.
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Unsurprising.
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boom headshot.
Just goes to show you get what you pay for.
I've had friends ask me about it and now i can get back to em with the facts. thanks.
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