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Title: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 04, 2015, 03:00:34 AM
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72
496
merlin heads
871-2 blower
bds 16 injector plate
bigstuff3 ems
dana rear
strange axles
th400

probably other shit but don't know anything about it. Figured I would post since I keep bitching about it.
Blower is now fucked up and unsure what I am gonna do.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on February 04, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
Well holy fucking Christmas miracle!!!!
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: ratcityrex on February 04, 2015, 01:11:16 PM
It's pics of a car I didn't think existed. Now it's time to get a intake for it and scrap the blower and go with a set if twins.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on February 04, 2015, 02:24:56 PM
Why did the blower get fucked up? Something go threw it?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: crxvtec91 on February 04, 2015, 02:57:51 PM
Wow that blower looks like the size of my z6 motor :noel:
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 04, 2015, 04:47:03 PM
Don't know how the inside is all ate up by the rotor
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Ntrain2k on February 04, 2015, 08:58:45 PM
Sounds like the bearings might have went out.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 04, 2015, 10:20:43 PM
Gonna check them tonight the front bearings are fine dunno about the rears yet
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 04, 2015, 10:41:08 PM
I have a Littlefield Race 6-71 forsale. Made 1800hp with it @120% on a 496
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 04, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
Really I though the 671 was basicly a starter blower and the 871 was bigger it has done suposably 1175hp no idea on how much boost or driven %
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 04, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
Well where can I get this thing rebuilt? Or a replacement for decent money
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 04, 2015, 11:41:38 PM
A street 6-71 maybe, Our class is limited to a 6-71's. race 6-71's are a whole different animal, we get between 18 and 21 psi @ 120 overdriven. But these motors have some of the best heads you can buy running on meth. also running in the .900'' lift cam

With an average set of heads you will make 1500 with this blower @ 120%

I can re-strip and rebuild the blower. post or send me pictures of the rotors and i can tell you if they are reusable or not.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 04, 2015, 11:44:18 PM
Fast forward to 3 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMybF3TO9Uo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMybF3TO9Uo)

Our boat is in this class
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 04, 2015, 11:49:54 PM
i said they where 496ci and i dont know why, class is limited to 468ci...
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 06, 2015, 01:16:18 AM
I will get some pics tomorrow night fuckin cold in the garage
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 08, 2015, 08:40:14 PM
What tomorrow night where you thinking?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 08, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
comp isn't wanting to let me upload them
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 08, 2015, 10:55:58 PM
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best I could get
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on February 08, 2015, 11:18:15 PM
Ouch
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 08, 2015, 11:22:28 PM
Ya
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: ratcityrex on February 09, 2015, 04:36:44 AM
So what did it chew up?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 09, 2015, 03:56:49 PM
It self looks like rotors hit the sidewalls the second pic isn't good the fucker is deep
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 09, 2015, 11:07:54 PM
i would scotch bright it all, then buff it and run it. its going to be down on power, but to save that would be near the price of a new unit. it will still make power tho, just overdrive it a little extra.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 09, 2015, 11:10:46 PM
It almost looks like it was either over tightened (they go just a hair more then finger tight, these are maintenance items, always checking and re snugging.) or it had something on the surface when it was installed. shouldnt be that bad tho.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 10, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
I think the belt was over tightened did know it was supposed to be so loose. Fuck it it clean it up and run it. Josh by chance know what grease to use on the rear bearings?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 10, 2015, 09:29:20 PM
No, I have an unlabeled tub from littlefield.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: Random Hero on February 10, 2015, 09:30:52 PM
the belt should have about 1 1/2 of loose flop on the strait side
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: crxvtec91 on February 11, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
Why not just slap some twins on it?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 11, 2015, 11:45:11 PM
Over 1k just to just a regular Mani on it and the turbo kit
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on March 25, 2015, 10:18:59 PM
Ok so new bearings seal cleaned and polished the housing. Now how do you time the rotors? The end cap bearing pretty much press on the rotors no way to adjust once it's on.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on June 11, 2015, 11:46:11 PM
Bump
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on June 15, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Update still a piece of shit. Can't find anyone to help me fix the blower without costing me out the ass.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on June 16, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Do work knee grow!!!
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: ratcityrex on June 16, 2015, 12:26:22 PM
I would just get spacer plates for your intake manifold and run a big block intake manifold and run it na. and that way you won't need some special intake manifold for the 496 tall deck.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on June 16, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Twin turbo like a man
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on June 16, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
Twin turbo like a man

If I had funds I would go one large single. Only reason it doesn't run is broke how status my job don't pay shit and with 4 kids 8t doesn't help
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM
I would just get spacer plates for your intake manifold and run a big block intake manifold and run it na. and that way you won't need some special intake manifold for the 496 tall deck.

I have the spacers already on the blower mani. As stated no money. $1500 for manifold tb injectors tors and fuel rails
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: highroller54 on June 16, 2015, 11:22:39 PM
4 kids?
S
Damn I have two, that keeps me broke enough
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on June 17, 2015, 02:02:35 AM
Ya 4 Lil bastards but I love em. I think the blower rotor is hitting the spacer a Lil on the left hand side gonna fu k with 8t a Lil tomorrow after work
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on June 22, 2015, 12:03:42 AM
Well no help and alot of no fuck given I rebuilt the blower using the good old Dremel to clearance case to rotor. Back together now fucker fires revs to the sky and dies piece of shit
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on July 13, 2015, 04:12:27 PM
In need of a bigstuff3 tuner. I dont quite understand this. for use with crank trigger and mssd 7al2 box dizzy just to distibute spark.

• Find TDC, cylinder number one (1), compression stroke. See Find_TDC on page 20.
• Roll the engine back to 50o
 BTDC.
• Install the crank trigger making sure the arrows on the crank trigger wheel are going on the
correct direction! See Crank_Trigger_Considerations on page 21.
• Line up the crank trigger sensor with the magnet in the wheel. Connect the red BigStuff3 wire
to green crank trigger wire. Connect other crank trigger wire to BigStuff3 black wire.
• Roll the engine back to the position BTDC (cylinder 1) equal to the max power timing.

7
• Install the distributor then “bump” the starter until it engages the oil pump drive while applying
a light downward pressure. Once the oil pump drive is engaged, rotate the engine back to the
timing mark on the dampener that will represent the maximum timing the engine will see at full
power. Turn the base of the distributor so that the distributor cap terminal for cylinder number
1 is aligned with the rotor in this position. Tighten the distributor down.
• Connect the BigStuff3 points wire (white) to the MSD ignition box points input.
• In the BigComm Software (Operating Configuration), set the crank reference setting to 50. See
Setting_The_Crank_Reference on page 25.
• Start the engine, with the engine still running verify that the BigStuff3 “Dash” timing advance
value equals the timing value seen (with a timing light) at the crank. Change the crank
reference value in the Crank Trigger window (in the Operating Configuration table), up or
down, until the “Dash” value and the crank value are the same. See Dash_Window on page 29.
• Dynamically check the rotor phase. See Dynamically_Checking_Rotor_Phasing on page 30.
• Lastly, you will want to verify cam synchronization. See Verifying_Synchronization on page
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on July 15, 2015, 12:48:36 AM
Found one problem need better battery. If voltage drops below 12 bs3 shuts off during cranking this fucker drops to 10-11 volts
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 05, 2015, 08:09:51 PM
Little no no help update.

So got the battery figured out. I can get it to start and run but only for a few seconds. I smell a ton of fuel I blip the throttle it dies. I have my plug gap at .025. Is that to tight for this engine. Think it only pushes 10psi.

Ignition is 7al2 Mallory coil and unilite dizzy.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on August 05, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
What's your wideband say? Get the wb warmed up and then start the car and see what's up. I know this sounds dumb but do you have your firing order correct? What do you have your mechanical timing set to? Does when it does are you loosing spark? You can get one of thoes spark plug lights that mounts inline with you plug wire. Have someone else crank it over as your watching that.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 05, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Won't run long enough for wb to read. Firing correct. Just wondering if gaped down that far I might not be able to burn all the fuel and that's my problem. I dunno fucking thing is driving me bat shit crazy
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on August 05, 2015, 11:50:17 PM
I doubt that's your problem. Is this a basmap you created or what?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 06, 2015, 02:43:47 AM
Everything from scratch
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on August 06, 2015, 11:05:24 AM
I bet it has something to do with your start up enrichment or your start up ignition values. Try turning off your iat and your water temp corrections and see if that helps on start up.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 06, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
have tried  with the iacv un hooked didnt help any. it runs a little longer now but spits sputters dies.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on August 06, 2015, 08:15:54 PM
Ok, what about your coolent temp and intake air temp timing and fuel tables?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: Random Hero on August 06, 2015, 08:52:28 PM
post some screenies
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 06, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
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best I could do for now. The wideband is built in not a stand alone.

mechanical timing is set at 15* trigger at 50* anything else ya wanna know just ask
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 07, 2015, 01:09:19 AM
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god these pics suck
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on August 08, 2015, 02:00:09 AM
Messed with it some more today. Pulled  ton of fuel out of it and now it a little harder to start but when it does. 2-3 second run then back fire.  The ve table started at 66 I have taken it to 16 still enough fuel to burn my eyes
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on September 24, 2015, 01:41:52 AM
Nothing new just saying hi
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on September 24, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
Hello
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: turbohf on September 24, 2015, 02:07:28 PM
oh, hey man. how's it going?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: Random Hero on October 06, 2015, 11:48:18 PM
Hello!
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on December 16, 2015, 12:57:05 PM
Updates?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on December 18, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
Not at all don't have anyone to look at it. Might just light it on fire and claim the insurance
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on December 18, 2015, 02:27:12 AM
Just switch ems, sell the bs3 and profit!! Hell a megasquirt would run it. Or even a gm 0411 that's been tuned by ross. Hp tuners or efilive.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 18, 2015, 06:42:23 AM
Just switch ems, sell the bs3 and profit!! Hell a megasquirt would run it. Or even a gm 0411 that's been tuned by ross. Hp tuners or efilive.
^this^
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on December 18, 2015, 06:23:51 PM
Bs3 will run it just no one around here really fuck with it. Guess there's a dude in Olympia Brian Macey at horse power connection that does. My hold up is money for a shop to check it out.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: turbohf on December 18, 2015, 06:49:57 PM
if there is no one to tune it, then it won't run on it...  ::)
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: ratcityrex on December 18, 2015, 07:56:39 PM
Bs3 will run it just no one around here really fuck with it. Guess there's a dude in Olympia Brian Macey at horse power connection that does. My hold up is money for a shop to check it out.


You have 15 kids. About 10% of your income tax return should cover the tow down and the tune.
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on December 18, 2015, 11:49:50 PM
I have 4 that I know of and yes between tax return and bonus's it will be ready to rock this summer.

I am gonna take the efi 101 class through efi university  the guy that will tune this thing is one of the instructors
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: turbohf on February 18, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
seen this, thought of you...  :?:

Quote
If you are going standalone your best bet would be to find someone close to you, that you trust to tune the car, and go with their recommendations, unless they recommend the BS3, then just go with the nest closest guy....HAha.

ouch...



whats the status on this?
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 21, 2016, 01:11:53 PM
Haha  dunno what I wanna do now. The draw back is I know of no one local to me that can tune any of it
Title: Re: my pile of shit nova. Need help with software bs3 setup.
Post by: jdmhatchracer94 on February 21, 2016, 01:31:43 PM
I honestly have no idea what system to switch to if I do thinkin fast or ms3. Wonder what the bs3 could sell for?