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General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: marcj on March 07, 2009, 01:46:47 AM

Title: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 07, 2009, 01:46:47 AM: I'm not too happy with the manifold I have, so I decided to use the sinktrap idea to make the best out of it without spending anything. I had problems when I was installing my HX35; first off the wastegate flange hit the turbine housing, then the manifold put the turbo too low and the compressor housing was hitting my cross member, and lastly the drain flange sits too low and I don't want to risk a brand new HX35.

materials used: 3" stainless 180, 2x T3 flange

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Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: glustic on March 07, 2009, 01:50:57 AM: Nice man, keep us updated. Shit is gonna be baller
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Colin on March 07, 2009, 08:51:56 AM: That's awesome, and definitely the most baller sink trap I've ever seen
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: QikEnuF on March 07, 2009, 10:54:36 AM: Bad ass. Who did the original manifold piece?
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 07, 2009, 11:18:25 AM: Quote from: QikEnuF on March 07, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
Bad ass. Who did the original manifold piece?

silentdaredevil112, or something like that.
he was a noob fab guy at the old hmt.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: AstroVannin on March 07, 2009, 11:23:03 AM: Looks good. I picked up some stuff from Weir to make somthing similar for my Corolla.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Teg2boo on March 07, 2009, 12:00:38 PM: Quote from: marcj on March 07, 2009, 01:46:47 AM
I'm not too happy with the manifold I have, so I decided to use the sinktrap idea to make the best out of it without spending anything. I had problems when I was installing my HX35; first off the wastegate flange hit the turbine housing, then the manifold put the turbo too low and the compressor housing was hitting my cross member, and lastly the drain flange sits too low and I don't want to risk a brand new HX35.

materials used: 3" stainless 180, 2x T3 flange

I had the same problem. The turbo was hitting the crossmember on my teg. I heat it with a torch and hit it with a 2lbs hammer. The oil drain still low tho, but it works well.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Teg2boo on March 07, 2009, 12:03:19 PM: Like this:

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Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: 92CXyD on March 07, 2009, 01:40:32 PM: Nice idea I can use my header to make ghetto top mount for one of my T04b(s-trim) and clear my sc14 for a twhincharged D16z6.

This is why love RHMT for the low budget tech. ;D
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Spanish-rice on March 07, 2009, 06:38:00 PM: i want to do a sink trap really bad for a budget build. keep us updated
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: imburne on March 07, 2009, 10:16:57 PM: Good post!
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: CSaddict on March 08, 2009, 12:03:16 AM: This should be in the fab section Noob.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: glustic on March 08, 2009, 04:36:26 PM: Quote from: CSaddict on March 08, 2009, 12:03:16 AM
This should be in the fab section Noob.
+1
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: dvst8r on March 08, 2009, 06:10:58 PM: Quote from: Teg2boo on March 07, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
Like this:

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I did something like that, but added a big hammer to the heat, and smashed it out kinda flat. Seems like on Brine04's teg we cut out the back part and welded in a support kinda like c notching a frame.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: HiProfile on March 09, 2009, 12:55:39 AM: If you can make a sinktrap extension, you should be able to make a tubular x-member replacement like innovative mounts makes or box it out with steel plate. BTW I have the same shoes.

At least you won't be hiding such a badass turbo now. Are you making a 4" DP, or a 3" to fit with the stock rad fan??
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Atticus on March 09, 2009, 01:02:36 AM: sell me the HX35
problem solved :yes:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 09, 2009, 09:24:25 AM: Quote from: HiProfile on March 09, 2009, 12:55:39 AM
If you can make a sinktrap extension, you should be able to make a tubular x-member replacement like innovative mounts makes or box it out with steel plate. BTW I have the same shoes.

At least you won't be hiding such a badass turbo now. Are you making a 4" DP, or a 3" to fit with the stock rad fan??

4", the worst part is I just bought a ss thermal 3" exhaust for 90 bucks, so it's going to be the bottle neck for high boost pulls. oh well

yeah I wish I could make a split pulse manifold.. has anyone even tested a split pulse setup against a regular on a holset setup?

the big 16g guys swear by it.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: G2 Racer on March 09, 2009, 01:12:37 PM: Keeping my eyes on this. I want to make my own sink trap.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: 92CXyD on March 09, 2009, 01:22:20 PM: Quote from: G2 Racer on March 09, 2009, 01:12:37 PM
Keeping my eyes on this. I want to make my own sink trap.

+1 I want use the top half of my header.

I'm debating if should just have it made in mild or stainless.

Probably mild I'm on a super tight budget. :'(
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 10, 2009, 07:28:07 PM: got a new toy today.. ;D

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F49%2Fl_22083aa892bc4b54ab9e1295c3e35df8.jpg&hash=5d547c4361b2145699bf7ad199cf99f89cf158e3)

made some angle cuts so the ends match up right.. essentially you want to put the flange between #1 and #2. it's close enough for me. I'm waiting on my T3 flange to get here, and still need to level off the top

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Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: walter on March 10, 2009, 07:35:05 PM: brace it..
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 10, 2009, 07:44:34 PM: i planned on it.. what would you suggest the best place would be? I was thinking from the T3 flange at the collector straight out.. I know an X would be ideal
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: HiProfile on March 13, 2009, 02:45:40 AM: I'd brace it down below to the AC/mount holes, then maybe have a tab that catches the top of the T3 flange on the manifold. Adding that tab would make removing it a bit tricky tho. A nice thick chunk of steel to the AC bracket would probably work fine, just make sure it's mostly on the 2nd half of he bend -- the elbow half that goes to the turbo. I'd actually shorten both legs on the whole extension, which would allow for a better angle for the brace.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Evans Performance on March 13, 2009, 08:04:17 PM: in for the updates

looks good. i would just brace it off the t3 flange
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 13, 2009, 11:14:07 PM: Quote from: Evans Performance on March 13, 2009, 08:04:17 PM
in for the updates

looks good. i would just brace it off the t3 flange

I'll have to swing by once i'm done with my revisions to show off my 11 second 1.6L :evil:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Evans Performance on March 14, 2009, 07:42:26 AM: hell yea man, let me know. i just finished throwing my civic together cause my M3 took a dump. it made 310whp @15psi with a stock cam z6.

do you need someone to weld that thing together or do you have a welder? i have a tig welder showing up here wednesday and need some shit to test it on. that giantech guy gave me a nignog deal in trade for a good writeup
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: CSaddict on March 14, 2009, 10:46:53 AM: I ran a Mini ram and a 3" dp with a stock crossmember in my CRX.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 18, 2009, 09:38:57 PM: (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F29%2Fl_e9eff818b85345d1bed5a47c47235ebe.jpg&hash=733253b7b507fd74ecb53144d0254bbe02b22a81)

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Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: CSaddict on March 18, 2009, 09:43:46 PM: Well Played.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: malichite on March 18, 2009, 10:11:52 PM: Balllllller!
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: crx-t on March 18, 2009, 10:35:39 PM: I did the same thing with a cople of stock y8 manifolds....twin scroll style!
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll178%2Fbradterd%2Fd16%2520build%2FHMTopmount2.jpg&hash=c1a1ccc55140ded5b9481ec9d8c6c9229187fb40)

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Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: 92CXyD on March 18, 2009, 10:37:52 PM: Quote from: crx-t on March 18, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
I did the same thing with a cople of stock y8 manifolds....twin scroll style!
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll178%2Fbradterd%2Fd16%2520build%2FHMTopmount2.jpg&hash=c1a1ccc55140ded5b9481ec9d8c6c9229187fb40)

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That some gangsta shit right there. :yes:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: glustic on March 19, 2009, 01:35:55 AM: That shit looks good man, it turned out really well. Now paint it + wrap it :noel:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 19, 2009, 09:54:55 AM: it's stainless.. no paint needed.. i am going to wrap it though so the intercooler doesn't get hot.

i'm also thinking about making a heat shield for the turbine with a stainless cooking pot
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 19, 2009, 10:05:39 AM: Quote from: crx-t on March 18, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
I did the same thing with a cople of stock y8 manifolds....twin scroll style!
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll178%2Fbradterd%2Fd16%2520build%2FHMTopmount2.jpg&hash=c1a1ccc55140ded5b9481ec9d8c6c9229187fb40)

based on working with mine for the past two days, this REALLY isn't going fit unless you REALLY cut up the top of your radiator support. you want to hang the turbine housing over the first portion of runner 1 & 2 like this:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F50%2Fl_ac7282123d584e14a30702237dc14546.jpg&hash=b184cfead5ebe7b25621b2a55dc7c6db77d30862)
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: crx-t on March 19, 2009, 01:07:18 PM: Mines going in a crx... Still may not fit though. I'm not out anything if it doesn't.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Teg2boo on March 19, 2009, 01:12:33 PM: I'm seriously considering sinktrap in my next build. It's awesome! :yes:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: 92CXyD on March 19, 2009, 01:29:33 PM: Quote from: Teg2boo on March 19, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
I'm seriously considering sinktrap in my next build. It's awesome! :yes:

+1 for my twincharge setup so I can mount the turbo high enough to clear my s/c and still not touch my radiator. ;D

Plus it seems to be a cost effective was to get my turbo in the right place with spending $300 for a SPA topmount. :yes:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 20, 2009, 12:24:04 AM: made my downpipe today. had a bunch of stainless 2.5" so I used that for now.
finished product ;D

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F67%2Fl_54361b1dbab84f1889a1a5a2ca6cf4a9.jpg&hash=41d1900c7eeae691fb1cc3dc4062647b88fd514f)

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Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: glustic on March 20, 2009, 04:31:43 PM: Shit looks awesome man! I wish I could weld! I need to get someone to weld me up a DP.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: widebody93 on March 20, 2009, 09:55:07 PM: Valvecovefr ports are really REALLY close to the exhaust housings

HOw you goin to work that out
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: glustic on March 20, 2009, 09:56:05 PM: Quote from: widebody93 on March 20, 2009, 09:55:07 PM
Valvecovefr ports are really REALLY close to the exhaust housings

HOw you goin to work that out

Heatwrap + turbo blanket FTW
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 20, 2009, 11:15:17 PM: Quote from: widebody93 on March 20, 2009, 09:55:07 PM
Valvecovefr ports are really REALLY close to the exhaust housings

HOw you goin to work that out

90* fittings off the nipples should work. the nipples don't stick out nearly as far without those plugs on.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Emperor on March 21, 2009, 02:04:01 PM: NOOB ALERT

whats the benefit of a sinktrap mani??

i was thinking it adds alot of LAG ???
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: CSaddict on March 21, 2009, 02:13:53 PM: There is no benefit. He is doing this because had a clearance issue with the manifold.
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Emperor on March 21, 2009, 02:21:33 PM: so iam right? ;D

for clearance i knowed bevor :-\
just love to ask/and learn
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 21, 2009, 03:43:17 PM: benefit is 4" downpipe clearance, better oil drain, and A/C compatible with a big ass turbo

goal is around 450whp with a bigger set of cams

also, lag doesn't exist when you have anti-lag and full throttle shift anti-lag setup :evil:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: Emperor on March 21, 2009, 04:36:28 PM: ANTI LAG

GODDAM REDNECK ;D

Cant wait to see riper vids :noel:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 23, 2009, 05:51:32 PM: it's a little laggy on the street compared to my T3/T04E, but it hits much harder past 5k rpm :yes:

one of my biggest issues is, it doesn't spool like the T3/T04E did from just stabbing the throttle.
I did double the manifold volume so I guess that's to be expected.

can't wait to do a 20psi run with a drag clutch :evil:
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: widebody93 on March 24, 2009, 04:22:13 AM: Loggin in for a video ;D
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: HiProfile on March 24, 2009, 12:13:30 PM: You'd be surprised what fits with a sinktrap or elephant mani - mine fits in an EG with full OEM AC parts, 3" dp, and stock rad fan - just don't expect to have P/S:

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg521.imageshack.us%2Fimg521%2F8011%2Felephant02ha9.jpg&hash=ad675fd9ca64ffa8ffe333950e14a9e2353a9467)

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Mine actually spools fast. Granted its just a t3/t04b s-trim...
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: marcj on March 24, 2009, 12:34:45 PM: major turbine difference.. i used 3" for my sinktrap too. a little lag, with NO REGRETS :noel:

looks good man.. is that the dual pipe cast manifold?
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: catsman50 on March 24, 2009, 08:14:45 PM: nice work. I can't wait to sell my piece of shit vw. :-\
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: danz on March 25, 2009, 01:40:40 AM: its times like this i wish i knew where to steal 4 inch u bends...
Title: Re: my sinktrap manifold.. work in progress
Post by: dvst8r on March 25, 2009, 10:16:53 AM: Quote from: danz on March 25, 2009, 01:40:40 AM
its times like this i wish i knew where to steal 4 inch u bends...

Off of new diesel trucks, or out of the dumpster of Diesel performance shops.