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[ironcrx]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall

Sticking pedal?  Seriously?  Im hoping it goes a step further and its determined to be fault of the ecu/tb.

[Stealthmode]

drive by wire fail.

[Sinister]

drive by wire fail.

+1

loved when they blamed everything on the floormats, too. 

[ironcrx]

drive by wire fail.

Yea.  Weren't we discussing that weeks ago?  Good ol cable is where its at!  :yes:

[chris]

Im still a little lost why in the world did we get away from cables? Drive by wire seems like just a headache and money killer for auto makers.

[ironcrx]

Im still a little lost why in the world did we get away from cables? Drive by wire seems like just a headache and customer killer for auto makers.

[t_cel_t]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats
how much you wanna bet the 'pedal replacement' is actually replacing the pedal position sensor that fails wide open?

To fix the problem, Toyota and the government said dealers will shorten the length of the accelerator pedal on the recalled vehicles and in some cases remove foam from beneath the carpeting near the pedal to increase the space between the pedal and the floor. They said owners of the ES350, Camry and Avalon would be the first to receive notification because the vehicles are believed to have the highest risk for pedal entrapment.

Toyota also plans to install a brake override system on the Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES350, IS350 and IS250 models, Toyota and NHTSA said. The brake override system will ensure the vehicle will stop if the brake and the accelerator pedals are applied at the same time.

[patsmx5]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats
how much you wanna bet the 'pedal replacement' is actually replacing the pedal position sensor that fails wide open?

To fix the problem, Toyota and the government said dealers will shorten the length of the accelerator pedal on the recalled vehicles and in some cases remove foam from beneath the carpeting near the pedal to increase the space between the pedal and the floor. They said owners of the ES350, Camry and Avalon would be the first to receive notification because the vehicles are believed to have the highest risk for pedal entrapment.

Toyota also plans to install a brake override system on the Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES350, IS350 and IS250 models, Toyota and NHTSA said. The brake override system will ensure the vehicle will stop if the brake and the accelerator pedals are applied at the same time.

Yeap. I'll just add that you would think the software people that designed this would have it setup so that if you push the gas and brake, it just brakes.

[Joseph Davis]

There goes widebuddie's job.

[Jorsher]

I think Mythbusters did something where they braked with throttle wide open on a variety of cars and were always able to stop...the one that took the longest was the Roush Mustang...  It's really as simple as holding the brake if your car throttle is stuck.

Either way, it would have been ridiculously simple to code the ECU so it will let off the throttle if the brake is depressed.  Some of the manufacturers' cars already do this.

[Joseph Davis]

I think Mythbusters did something where they braked with throttle wide open on a variety of cars and were always able to stop...the one that took the longest was the Roush Mustang...  It's really as simple as holding the brake if your car throttle is stuck.

Did they do it from a highway speed roll of 70+ mph?

[dive_miguel]

Shame, the only thing dbw is good for is snow traction control IMO>

[Jorsher]

I think Mythbusters did something where they braked with throttle wide open on a variety of cars and were always able to stop...the one that took the longest was the Roush Mustang...  It's really as simple as holding the brake if your car throttle is stuck.

Did they do it from a highway speed roll of 70+ mph?

I lied, it was Car and Driver, found the article again:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept

[7808]

i dont like when they dumb down cars with systems made to help stupid people, by the time i can afford them they will be so worthless from all the high tech parts being broken

[snm95ls]

i dont like when they dumb down cars with systems made to help stupid people, by the time i can afford them they will be so worthless from all the high tech parts being broken

You can make a car incredibly safe it you take the most unsafe part of the equation out.  The driver.


I have yet to drive anything with DBW that didn't feel like it had an incredible amount of lag time. and/or didn't exhibit some odd properties.

I will stick to cables for my throttle control, and linkages for my transmission control.

 

[crttaz]

Two pedals are used, Denso from Japan and CTS from US........


Wanna guess which one was at fault? I knew about this a while ago.....

[jeffsciv23]

i would guess the one from the US

[snm95ls]

i would guess the one from the US

FUCK YOU.

[chris]

Wonder when the aftermarket will have a conversion kit to go back to throttle cables ;D



Thats actually a damn good idea

[Teg2boo]

From what I know, nothing happened in Canadia land. I'm sure we share the pedals with US...

[crttaz]

From what I know, nothing happened in Canadia land. I'm sure we share the pedals with US...

We just want you to kill yourselfs........so we don't tell you these kinda things.

[d-rail]

Everybody at work is freaking out about it. We don't know if they're gonna do layoffs or a shutdown but either way isn't to great

[highroller54]

Wonder when the aftermarket will have a conversion kit to go back to throttle cables ;D



Thats actually a damn good idea

make a retrofit kit for a key to while you are at it.

[turbob16hatch]

that test pretty much proves that the people that crashed due to this issue. Are all fucking idiots

[caged]

Shame, the only thing dbw is good for is snow traction control IMO>

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What about idle control. Imo Drive by wire is great, it can also smooth out an eratic driver for increased fuel economy. There is also lots of aftermarket ECU support.

[Phate]

that test pretty much proves that the people that crashed due to this issue. Are all fucking idiots

I tried this in my girlfriend's highlander to see what happens.  I put my foot to the floor at 60, and at 80 I hit the brake.  The car slowed down.  It slows down even faster if you push the selector into neutral.  In the process I may have broken the stability and traction control (a good thing), or its just a toyota pile of fail and it just gives up.  It also decided to pull the fuel trims back to -100.6% on 2 cylinders, throw lean burn codes, and misfire a lot.  I gotta get around to doing a tuneup on that thing, because I am damn sure the stealership didn't do anything of the sort.  Its way to fucked up for a 2003 that was dealer maintained.

TL;DR

Toyota has gone to shit

Also, see quote in sig.

[colt45]

pulling a GM and Domino's

[SgtB]

The 06+ S2000's have good DBW with no lag. You also don't have the stupid air pump and all its other gear. I do like the simplicity of my cable throttle though.

[widebody93]

There goes widebuddie's job.

And Drails....Nah we just make door frames,seats,mouldings,panels, and plastic parts for the dashes...Most that I have heard is a week shut down till the 2.3 million issues are resolved.... AND FUCK THE TBW
And I have s shit ton of things i could be doing with my 19yr old FRIEND with my time off work and getting paid as I got 16 days of vacation and 5 days of planned time off"sick days" I need to practice more on the making babies and pulling and praying...The fuckin 27+ age range is fail in my eyes...Maybe hot but only like laying there and taking it..I put them on top and they act fucking lost or its a fucking river down my legs and no friction... Towel and proceed is what I always have to do or their uterus is way too shallow.

[Foowee]

If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?

Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?