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[Urban Indian]

we need is a Second Great Depression where people get off their asses or die of starvation in order to revitalize our society.  Hopefully the completely incompetent die in this process, thereby removing themselves from the gene pool of a bright, new future.

[bigdaddyvtec]

we need is a Second Great Depression where people get off their asses or die of starvation in order to revitalize our society.  Hopefully the completely incompetent die in this process, thereby removing themselves from the gene pool of a bright, new future.

Levi:


I love you, but you fail at understanding the plight of the avg American... Its not all aboot what you hoseheads probably hear, or maybe its lost in itrerpratation from the froggy dialect youre surrounded in...

Either way...



FUCK YOU...

LOL

[Urban Indian]

Your right. America tricks economics & can make money out of thin air

[Ntrain2k]

Your right. America tricks economics & can make money out of thin air

What do you think they have been doing? Releasing trillions of dollars that they have been sitting on?

[Joseph Davis]

Economics: In order to put off a depression/recession there needs to be massive government spending. What I see is Obama trying to make sure that the US Economy doesn't fold up upon itself. Bush used War, that didnt seem to work very well.

No.  Government spending is a large part of why this is taking place.  The only part that is larger is the government enabling it's citizenry to do the same.

[Tim]

Economics: In order to put off a depression/recession there needs to be massive government spending. What I see is Obama trying to make sure that the US Economy doesn't fold up upon itself. Bush used War, that didnt seem to work very well.

No.  Government spending is a large part of why this is taking place.  The only part that is larger is the government enabling it's citizenry to do the same.

+9000

[Joseph Davis]

Levi needs to familiarize himself with a successful economic model of a controlled socialist government (his own) in which the money coming in and money going out have a direct relationship and the only ill effects are tolerating a bunch of lisping frogs, and poutine.  Then he needs to familiarize himself with a flawed economic model trying to take it's completely fucked up spending practices in a socialist direction because it's citizenry is lazy and wants a free ride - the numbers simply don't crunch.

America is dividing by zero.

[Minor Threat]

Gravy, cheese and fries.

Who the fuck doesn't like that?

[Joseph Davis]

Americans

[Robb]

Everyone forgets why we are in this recession in the first place.  Its quite simple, yet you NEVER hear it mentioned on the news or Glenn Beck faggot or anywhere else.

The Income to Inflation ratio is not proportionate, and has been steadily declining since the 80's. 

In 1983, $25,000 a year income was a good job, you could afford a house and probably 2 car payments semi-comfortably, with retirement to boot. 
Can you afford any of this in 2010 on $25k a year?  I think not.  When the system does work, it works well.  But that guy doing the $25k a year job in 1983, suddenly shows up in 2010 doing the same job making the same amount of money (if a tad more) tries to afford any of this it is next to impossible.  Generally, the price of comsumer items has risen with inflation, wheras our income has NOT risen in proportion to inflation.  The Govt solution to this problem, as they became aware of it in the late 90's with teh .com crash, was to increase the minimum wage.  This is all great and wonderful for Caleb working a MickeyD's, but did that guy working in the plant see the same kind of increase on his paycheck? Did the guy running a small business in a small town pay all his employees more because the low-guy on the paycheck got an increase that he was forced to give?  Hell no.  If anything small-employers did NOT give middle payscale employees a raise so they could ofset the cost of paying the low guy his minimum wage increase.
So here we are in 2010, underpaid for our skills, and overcharged for things like insurance and basic necessities, yet sheep america is determined that everyone deserves a house and the best newest tv/sound system, whilst making $10/an hour.
The reason the housing market crashing brought all this about is because teh banks realised early on that the prices of homes were rising faster than the incomes of people.  They had no control over this, so they did what they could at the time to get themselves by, and that was make it easier for everyone to afford a home.  Granted they didnt want this to cut into their profits, so they simply lowered their standards for applicants.

More or less, everyone is to blame.  But until america pulls it head out of its ass nothing is going to get better.  Our economy grew too fast, and everyone was so concerned about maximizing profits that they didnt see the brick wall we were headed for til it was too late.

I really have no solution to provide, it just pisses me off that we have such ignorant, self-centered people running our country who are incapable of seeing the blatant truth behind the obvious problems.

[Jorsher]

Everyone forgets why we are in this recession in the first place.  Its quite simple, yet you NEVER hear it mentioned on the news or Glenn Beck faggot or anywhere else.

The Income to Inflation ratio is not proportionate, and has been steadily declining since the 80's. 

In 1983, $25,000 a year income was a good job, you could afford a house and probably 2 car payments semi-comfortably, with retirement to boot. 
Can you afford any of this in 2010 on $25k a year?  I think not.  When the system does work, it works well.  But that guy doing the $25k a year job in 1983, suddenly shows up in 2010 doing the same job making the same amount of money (if a tad more) tries to afford any of this it is next to impossible.  Generally, the price of comsumer items has risen with inflation, wheras our income has NOT risen in proportion to inflation.  The Govt solution to this problem, as they became aware of it in the late 90's with teh .com crash, was to increase the minimum wage.  This is all great and wonderful for Caleb working a MickeyD's, but did that guy working in the plant see the same kind of increase on his paycheck? Did the guy running a small business in a small town pay all his employees more because the low-guy on the paycheck got an increase that he was forced to give?  Hell no.  If anything small-employers did NOT give middle payscale employees a raise so they could ofset the cost of paying the low guy his minimum wage increase.
So here we are in 2010, underpaid for our skills, and overcharged for things like insurance and basic necessities, yet sheep america is determined that everyone deserves a house and the best newest tv/sound system, whilst making $10/an hour.
The reason the housing market crashing brought all this about is because teh banks realised early on that the prices of homes were rising faster than the incomes of people.  They had no control over this, so they did what they could at the time to get themselves by, and that was make it easier for everyone to afford a home.  Granted they didnt want this to cut into their profits, so they simply lowered their standards for applicants.

More or less, everyone is to blame.  But until america pulls it head out of its ass nothing is going to get better.  Our economy grew too fast, and everyone was so concerned about maximizing profits that they didnt see the brick wall we were headed for til it was too late.

I really have no solution to provide, it just pisses me off that we have such ignorant, self-centered people running our country who are incapable of seeing the blatant truth behind the obvious problems.

 

[Urban Indian]

Economics: In order to put off a depression/recession there needs to be massive government spending. What I see is Obama trying to make sure that the US Economy doesn't fold up upon itself. Bush used War, that didnt seem to work very well.

No.  Government spending is a large part of why this is taking place.  The only part that is larger is the government enabling it's citizenry to do the same.

TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT.

The problem with the 70's and today is we used to be 80% employed by natural resources. Today (in Canada at least) we are currently employed by the service industry for the same amount.

When people do not have money to spend on their trivial trinkets, they cannot go out to the store to purchase the item. Where the population is currently employed.

No spending =  Job loss = Depression

to avoid this there needs to be an economic kick in the ass

Where do we get this money? Taxing the rich, giving it to the poor so that the rich can continue to be rich & and poor can continue being poor. Or am I way out of the fucking game here? This makes sense to me

[Joseph Davis]

I'm not saying that the manner in which the rich have been taxed in America is fair, but robbing the rich to help welfare slackers is not the solution.  With how the current tenor of work ethic is in this country that is exactly how it would go down.

[snm95ls]

Your ignorance is showing. 

This is true. I am making myself look like an american right now.

Good one.

[patsmx5]

Economics: In order to put off a depression/recession there needs to be massive government spending. What I see is Obama trying to make sure that the US Economy doesn't fold up upon itself. Bush used War, that didnt seem to work very well.

No.  Government spending is a large part of why this is taking place.  The only part that is larger is the government enabling it's citizenry to do the same.

TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT.

The problem with the 70's and today is we used to be 80% employed by natural resources. Today (in Canada at least) we are currently employed by the service industry for the same amount.

When people do not have money to spend on their trivial trinkets, they cannot go out to the store to purchase the item. Where the population is currently employed.

No spending =  Job loss = Depression

to avoid this there needs to be an economic kick in the ass

Where do we get this money? Taxing the rich, giving it to the poor so that the rich can continue to be rich & and poor can continue being poor. Or am I way out of the fucking game here? This makes sense to me

can't add wealth by dividing it.

[bigdaddyvtec]

And youre going to school to be an accountant Levi??? Shit... Well I guess better that than a politician.....   

At least youll only have to lie to people on a one at a time basis....

 

[j.h.christ]

Where do we get this money? Taxing the rich, giving it to the poor so that the rich can continue to be rich & and poor can continue being poor. Or am I way out of the fucking game here? This makes sense to me

or we could give trillions to the banks and car companies, and say fuck you to the common man

[d112crzy]

Economics: In order to put off a depression/recession there needs to be massive government spending. What I see is Obama trying to make sure that the US Economy doesn't fold up upon itself. Bush used War, that didnt seem to work very well.

No.  Government spending is a large part of why this is taking place.  The only part that is larger is the government enabling it's citizenry to do the same.

TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT.

The problem with the 70's and today is we used to be 80% employed by natural resources. Today (in Canada at least) we are currently employed by the service industry for the same amount.

When people do not have money to spend on their trivial trinkets, they cannot go out to the store to purchase the item. Where the population is currently employed.

No spending =  Job loss = Depression

to avoid this there needs to be an economic kick in the ass

Where do we get this money? Taxing the rich, giving it to the poor so that the rich can continue to be rich & and poor can continue being poor. Or am I way out of the fucking game here? This makes sense to me

Your idea would work IF the poor were hard workers. That is not the case with your average poor American. Most are poor because they're too fucking lazy to get a job. You have NO clue how many white motherfuckers I know that have had a decent paying job($12-$15/hour), got fired/layed off and go for months/years on unemployment simply because they cannot/will no find a job that pays the same and requires the same amount of work. If it requires more work, they want more money. They also refuse to apply for a job at McD's even though they are about to run out of unemployment money simply because they feel they are "too good" to be payed so poorly.

Giving them free money will do nothing more than keep enabling them to be lazy. Cut the handouts and let nature take its course. Only the hard work will survive.

[Jorsher]

Economics: In order to put off a depression/recession there needs to be massive government spending. What I see is Obama trying to make sure that the US Economy doesn't fold up upon itself. Bush used War, that didnt seem to work very well.

No.  Government spending is a large part of why this is taking place.  The only part that is larger is the government enabling it's citizenry to do the same.

TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT.

The problem with the 70's and today is we used to be 80% employed by natural resources. Today (in Canada at least) we are currently employed by the service industry for the same amount.

When people do not have money to spend on their trivial trinkets, they cannot go out to the store to purchase the item. Where the population is currently employed.

No spending =  Job loss = Depression

to avoid this there needs to be an economic kick in the ass

Where do we get this money? Taxing the rich, giving it to the poor so that the rich can continue to be rich & and poor can continue being poor. Or am I way out of the fucking game here? This makes sense to me

Your idea would work IF the poor were hard workers. That is not the case with your average poor American. Most are poor because they're too fucking lazy to get a job. You have NO clue how many white motherfuckers I know that have had a decent paying job($12-$15/hour), got fired/layed off and go for months/years on unemployment simply because they cannot/will no find a job that pays the same and requires the same amount of work. If it requires more work, they want more money. They also refuse to apply for a job at McD's even though they are about to run out of unemployment money simply because they feel they are "too good" to be payed so poorly.

Giving them free money will do nothing more than keep enabling them to be lazy. Cut the handouts and let nature take its course. Only the hard work will survive.

Amen brutha, amen.

Although I'm one of the ones that feel too good to apply for fast food, I've also never been on unemployment or any other social program    If push comes to shove, my tax refund is running out, car is going, and I'm still not employed, I'll walk down to any of the numerous "shit" jobs that have a hiring sign and get a job...

Maybe I'm stepping out of line here, but I think the government should invest in some sort of 100% effective birth control that's inserted at birth.  I'm not keen on giving up liberties, but I believe multiplying should be a privilege and not something that anyone with a vagina can do.  Nothing pisses me off more than sitting in line at the grocery store behind some nasty whore bitching on her cellphone about her babies' daddies while her kids are crying and she's fumbling around for her food stamps/WIC/whatever it is.  Kids that grow up under useless parents tend to grow into more useless, child-spawning people and you end up with this never-ending stream of useless people believing the government should give them handouts because that's what they've seen their entire life.  Also, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like trash tends to spawn more kids than people that understand mo' kids = mo' finances = mo' work?

In 50 years, assuming this country still exists, it will be full of mostly useless people that believe they should get free housing/food/healthcare/money because that's the environment they've grown up in.

Cut 'em off.  Let 'em die.

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[Urban Indian]

I'm not saying that the manner in which the rich have been taxed in America is fair, but robbing the rich to help welfare slackers is not the solution.  With how the current tenor of work ethic is in this country that is exactly how it would go down.

Ok I understand you guys are freaking out about this welfare thing. BUT, if you were to give X amount of money to everybody who makes under say $75K a year (& have an actual Job) INSTEAD of bailing out the fucking banks/GM etc. etc.. Your shit needs to be regulated & government "controlled" by making sure they are not allowed to do the same shit they just did.

Most are poor because they're too fucking lazy to get a job.

I think the government should invest in some sort of 100% effective birth control that's inserted at birth.  I'm not keen on giving up liberties, but I believe multiplying should be a privilege and not something that anyone with a vagina can do. 

Yeah there is such a thing. Its called education & availability for advancement. Here in Canada (at least around here) people look down on you if you are on EI.




There really is no arguing with some of you, why just fucking bitch bitch bitch about what is happening? Why not converse about HOW one COULD fix the situation with the current resources. I guess that would be too much to actually use that portion of your brain right. God Damn

[Jorsher]

If the average american person was not so fucking afraid of the government, maybe they wouldn't act like sheep.

You keep showing you don't know shit about Americans.

The average American is NOT afraid of the government AT ALL (we have guns).  The average American doesn't give a fuck about what goes on, and those that DO are sheep because they're ignorant.

Nobody is scared of anything.

Don't spout about American citizens if you aren't one.

Also, I'm not bitching about anything, as I said earlier I don't listen to any of it and don't let any of it get to me.  I look forward to the day when everything crashes and burns and zombies attack and natural selection goes back into effect

[Joseph Davis]

There really is no arguing with some of you, why just fucking bitch bitch bitch about what is happening? Why not converse about HOW one COULD fix the situation with the current resources. I guess that would be too much to actually use that portion of your brain right. God Damn

Levi, the problem is that people in America are worthless due to lack of work ethic, entirely due to being coddled.  We've already stated that they need some tough love and be allowed to suffer for their inaction and ignorance - America's greatness was entirely fostered by the work ethic and financial savvy derived from the First Great Depression, and by god a second one is exactly what is required now to re-instill those qualities into our errant populace.

This has already been covered.  All the "arguing" in this thread has been an attempt to explain to you how little you know about America, and how applying aspects of your government's success to our populace is invalid.  If you would like further clarification on anything American, please ask we're here to help you, but if you can't be bothered to use your brain to understand what's already been covered I don't think it will be worth anyone's time?

[Urban Indian]

I just figured that you are blinded by your love for being american & inability to see other points of view.



Besides I already know what is most likely going to happen is that the american Economy is going to collapse upon itself, China will come over to "help" America and then you will all have to learn mandarin under their control. The question is, when did America get themselves into this position?

[patsmx5]

December 23, 1913

[Corey]

china will never control the US. youre retarded (or canadian) if you even consider that a possibility

[Jorsher]

I just figured that you are blinded by your love for being american & inability to see other points of view.



Besides I already know what is most likely going to happen is that the american Economy is going to collapse upon itself, China will come over to "help" America and then you will all have to learn mandarin under their control. The question is, when did America get themselves into this position?

How does being dissatisfied with the state of our own country equate to us being blinded by our love for it?  I'm always very open to other points of view (and most others here are as well), but would you take an opinion from a foreigner that has an incorrect idea of your country and its people?

You're right that our economy will collapse, anyone with half a brain realizes that.  I can't stop it from happening, so I'll ignore the news and wait patiently.

[Urban Indian]

china will never control the US. youre retarded (or canadian) if you even consider that a possibility

Who owns the the most US Debt?
Who is giving America money right now?
Where does America buy its goods from?
Where does America sell its little exports to?
How many oil reserves & US companies have large Chinese investors?


You Sir, Are the fucktard
You also lack to see the large sense of sarcasm I had placed in there.




"The fact that China is the largest foreign owner of U.S. Treasurys does put them in a powerful position. With over $800 billion in Treasury holdings, China obviously has a lot of leverage to try and sway U.S. monetary, fiscal and trade policy. That partly explains their concerns about our deficit and the recent uproar over the tire tariffs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estimated_ownership_of_US_Treasury_securities_by_category_0608.jpg
http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/16/markets/thebuzz/index.htm

I am just an Ignorant self centered Canadian, I don't care what you think.

[brine04]

Most Canadians have always viewed Americans as being ignorant and blindly patriotic. The part that scares me is that Canadians have been exposed to so much American media (news, tv shows, movies, etc) that we are starting to follow suit albeit a few years behind, though this gap is closing quickly. I encounter more people on a daily basis that are worthless, don't benefit society in anyway, don't see anything wrong with this or want to improve themselves, and expect the gov't or someone else to take care of them. It makes me sick to my stomach when I think about where the society is going. Common sense is no longer common. All people care about is consuming and that they are wearing the latest styles, and driving a cool vehicle whether they can afford it or not. The worst part is that they don't even realize they can't afford it. No one is willing to work or save for anything anymore it is all about instant gratification. I agree with the point made earlier about birth control. You need a license to do damn near everything but have children and incompetency is running wild. Video games and television are not a baby sitter or a substitute for spending time with your child or reading to them or teaching them life skills. The reason socialism has worked in our country to this point is because people have pride and work ethic. That is diminishing by the day and soon we will find ourselves with the same problems as our southern neighbours. And much like your population most of ours especially those under the age of 40 don't even realize it.

cliffs
-Canada is fucked too
-We are following in America's footsteps and don't even know it
-Have some pride and get a goddamn job
-Live within your fucking means

[Corey]

canada does have something america doesnt


































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