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Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« on: March 07, 2010, 02:36:38 AM »
At PIR again tonight, this time I brought the family out.

Swapped back to the 205/55/16 crap tires....

Pull a 12.55 @ 117.69 with a 2.1 60'... poop...

Wife wants to leave. C'mon, watch one more please?

I nail it... Its flipping perfect.

Then the #4 (I am betting) cylinder wall splits in 4th gear...... I keep the pedal to the metal...

Pull over at the end of the track, determine, yes, there is WATER everywhere, not oil. So I know I split the cylinder wall... Drive down the return lane and park.

My friend I was racing pulls up after getting his time slip (why would I want mine? I sucked ALL of 4th gear.)

"I think you want this"

60' 1.940
1/8 7.943
mph 91.75
1/4 12.499
mph 96.99

IF only the motor hadn't popped.  What if, what if, what if.......
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2010, 03:19:05 AM »
Doing work....you've done well.  :noel:
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2010, 03:43:25 AM »
Can't wait for the pic's!
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2010, 04:24:54 AM »
give me 20 minutes.... or less...
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 04:41:49 AM »
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010, 05:20:46 AM »
Did I make it in 20?

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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 07:01:33 AM »
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 07:18:13 AM »
What motor? Nice carnage BTW.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2010, 11:08:28 AM »
Goddamn, you aren't afraid to make power.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 12:56:52 PM »
Can we get a look at the pistons, you still having issues with tuning?
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 01:06:32 PM »
Quote from: Joseph Davis on March 07, 2010, 11:08:28 AM
Goddamn, you aren't afraid to make power.
Or break shit.
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There is no such thing as too much boost. You could have too little rod, piston, or sleeve. But never too much boost.

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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 01:54:13 PM »
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 02:11:35 PM »
Quote from: patsmx5 on March 07, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: Joseph Davis on March 07, 2010, 11:08:28 AM
Goddamn, you aren't afraid to make power.
Or break shit.

Or a little hard work putting it back together to be faster than ever.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 02:37:39 PM »
Pistons should be fine.

I am betting the crack started on a heavy pull a month or so ago and I had some bad det on pump gas.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 04:01:25 PM »
you need a sleeved block?  and to stop detonating on pump gas, eh?  I just hate to see this beast down, it should be shredding the streets.  Is it still twin charged or are you just running a turbo now?
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 04:08:32 PM »
Dude what moter is this now? Like your 5th one? I would just opt for a sleaved block. But fuck, that "what if" could have been good if it would have had together
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 04:14:13 PM »
This is my family wagon, not the twincharged wagon.

Yeah, I would like a sleeved block, but thats money I do not have....

This failure is in a section of the block that happens to even STI blocks...

This is the 2nd time I have split a cylinder wall.

This motor has had 3 sets of pistons in about 13-14 months...

I am going to fill the weak section in with a pin for support this time.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 05:57:08 PM »
Quote from: reddevil on March 07, 2010, 04:14:13 PM
This is my family wagon, not the twincharged wagon.

Yeah, I would like a sleeved block, but thats money I do not have....

This failure is in a section of the block that happens to even STI blocks...

This is the 2nd time I have split a cylinder wall.

This motor has had 3 sets of pistons in about 13-14 months...

I am going to fill the weak section in with a pin for support this time.

Hum cant wait to see the build thread on that one.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 06:17:03 PM »
Quote from: reddevil on March 07, 2010, 04:14:13 PM
This is my family wagon, not the twincharged wagon.

Yeah, I would like a sleeved block, but thats money I do not have....

This failure is in a section of the block that happens to even STI blocks...

This is the 2nd time I have split a cylinder wall.

This motor has had 3 sets of pistons in about 13-14 months...

I am going to fill the weak section in with a pin for support this time.

You're like the hotrex of subies, except you actually make it to the track.

I'm impressed at the timeslip but fuck - at least spend a few bones on a starters accounting class. You will learn that even with "future value" of money figured in, the interest paid on a small loan will completely offset the time & money replacing pistons & blocks. Even if they are cheap for you.


Even cheap Honda people plunk done the money once they realize there's a chance they'll be splitting sleeves.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 06:19:52 PM »
Pinning is a bad idea, it does not work as advertised.  Cylinder balloons under cyl pressure and the pin... you get the idea.  The sleeve, instead of cracking horizontally, will crack at a right angle due to the pin and then go from there.

I'd do a 1.5-2.0" band of devcon right around the point the sleeve likes to crack. 

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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 11:06:51 PM »
I dont believe in block posting, filiiing, or blockguards.   The sleeve cracking is a function of the strength of the sleeve, attempting to stop it from moving wont stop it from happening.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2010, 11:26:06 PM »
Quote from: sewell94 on March 07, 2010, 11:06:51 PM
The sleeve cracking is a function of the strength of the sleeve, attempting to stop it from moving wont stop it from happening.


but it may slow it down.  it can propogate somewhere else at a higher pressure level. 


DEVCON ftw
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2010, 12:00:57 AM »
Quote from: reddevil on March 07, 2010, 02:36:38 AM
IF only the motor hadn't popped.  What if, what if, what if.......

Shit is always its fastest as it explodes
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2010, 03:40:55 AM »
Quote from: onlyflash944 on March 07, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: sewell94 on March 07, 2010, 11:06:51 PM
The sleeve cracking is a function of the strength of the sleeve, attempting to stop it from moving wont stop it from happening.


but it may slow it down.  it can propogate somewhere else at a higher pressure level. 


DEVCON ftw

   I dont agree with that.  It wont slow it down at all. If anything the change in the cooling of the cylinders/head will create hotspots increasing the likelyhood of cracking a sleeve. 
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2010, 10:14:20 AM »
Quote from: sewell94 on March 08, 2010, 03:40:55 AM
Quote from: onlyflash944 on March 07, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: sewell94 on March 07, 2010, 11:06:51 PM
The sleeve cracking is a function of the strength of the sleeve, attempting to stop it from moving wont stop it from happening.


but it may slow it down.  it can propogate somewhere else at a higher pressure level. 


DEVCON ftw

   I dont agree with that.  It wont slow it down at all. If anything the change in the cooling of the cylinders/head will create hotspots increasing the likelyhood of cracking a sleeve. 

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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2010, 11:23:06 AM »
Quote from: sewell94 on March 07, 2010, 11:06:51 PM
I dont believe in block posting, filiiing, or blockguards.   The sleeve cracking is a function of the strength of the sleeve, attempting to stop it from moving wont stop it from happening.

Disagree, sort of.  I've seen it hold together very well in a couple motors, and the two the sleeves cracked in were still driveable enough that you could cruise the car home - while cracked they don't seperate and so coolant doesn't go anywhere, it just acts like a mild broken ring with oil smoke everywhere.  $35 and thirty minutes to devcon, vs $60-150 tow bill and 1-2.5 hours waiting on the truck.

Big caveat, most people pour their blocks too high - cylinder expands and splits lower down, and coolant flow at the top of the cylinder where it's hottest is important.
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2010, 01:02:12 AM »
Well, I had a new motor in 4 days later, but it was making some awful noises....


Time went by....


I found the issue, dealt with it.....

Dailydevil is driving again....

But for now?  Its a fucking transportation wagon....   I need to store up some money if I need to build a real motor again!  My daily car is 8mpg Econoline with no seats for the kids....
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2010, 01:22:48 AM »
Quote from: reddevil on March 17, 2010, 01:02:12 AM
My daily car is 8mpg Econoline with no seats for the kids....

Some would disagree on there not being room for kids...
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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2010, 01:40:41 AM »
Dude....  Get it right...


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Re: Done split another cylinder wall darn it to heck!
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2010, 01:42:45 AM »
haha thats badass  :yes:
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