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Can you turn a Honda crank?

Yes
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No
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Honda knowledge poll #1
« on: March 14, 2010, 09:05:54 PM »

Proceed.

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 09:08:32 PM »

I already know what you are doing here JD. This poll sucks.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2010, 09:16:28 PM »

Maybe I'm missing some joke as I haven't been on the forum in a minute, but I voted yes.

The real question is "Is it worth turning a Honda crank?"
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2010, 09:40:25 PM »

And the answer is..... no. But i have done it.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 09:49:20 PM »

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 09:52:01 PM »

I don't remember how it came up, but a shop told me no.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 09:56:42 PM »

The shop down the road from me turned my DOHC ZC crank just fine....
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 10:02:18 PM »

The shop down the road from me turned my DOHC ZC crank just fine....


And sold you undersized bearings, too.

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 10:10:29 PM »

Don't they come from the factory with some kind of coating or micropolishing on them that comes off if you get it turned?
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 10:16:42 PM »

Of course you can turn a honda crank. If it works after that who knows. shoulda bought a evo  Jew
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 10:23:19 PM »

Don't they come from the factory with some kind of coating or micropolishing on them that comes off if you get it turned?

You think you're running on that coating?

You think that's air you're breathing?
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 10:27:35 PM »

Don't they come from the factory with some kind of coating or micropolishing on them that comes off if you get it turned?

You think you're running on that coating?

You think that's air you're breathing?

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 10:32:41 PM »

Before or after welding and offset grinding????

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2010, 10:37:40 PM »

Don't they come from the factory with some kind of coating or micropolishing on them that comes off if you get it turned?

You think you're running on that coating?

You think that's air you're breathing?

My failboat might actually be running on that coating.  F22's knock awesome after they lose oil pressure.  Survived 15k of daily flogging so far though
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2010, 11:53:21 PM »

I've ran "ground" cranks before on honda's, never had any problems. If you get all honda-tech about it they say they are nitrided or some shit and turning them takes that off. Pretty much you're only option when an H23 chows up a bearing.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2010, 11:55:14 PM »

My failboat might actually be running on that coating.  F22's knock awesome after they lose oil pressure. 

If it knocked, the surface hardening is gone.


I've ran "ground" cranks before on honda's, never had any problems. If you get all honda-tech about it they say they are nitrided or some shit and turning them takes that off. Pretty much you're only option when an H23 chows up a bearing.

I'm calling BS.  H23 cranks break before a bearing can possibly damage a journal.

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2010, 01:56:44 AM »

Of course you can turn a honda crank. If it works after that who knows. shoulda bought a evo  Jew
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2010, 02:09:19 AM »

I've ran "ground" cranks before on honda's, never had any problems. If you get all honda-tech about it they say they are nitrided or some shit and turning them takes that off. Pretty much you're only option when an H23 chows up a bearing.

Nitride.  That's what I was thinking of.

If it knocked, the surface hardening is gone.

Well aware that its fucked.  Its been fucked since before I got the car. Now that I've found somewhere that sells motors at non-retarded prices (I'm not paying $400 for a 90k mile F22 longblock), I'm gonna pick up a replacement for this to keep it alive once this one lets go.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2010, 02:23:01 AM »

Dude I've never payed a single dime for an F22. People always give them away. I currently have 3 F blocks, 1 complete with no head and the rest are bare. I also have a few H blocks and heads.

Anyways, it is possible to turn a crank. But the real answer is that you should NOT turn a crank. Check to make sure the cranks journals are not out of round and if they fall within spec you'll be able to rev it out to whatever rpm your next weak link will break at.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2010, 02:39:16 AM »

I've never come across a free one.  Almost got an F23 bottom end for $50, but never found an F for free.
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2010, 08:04:15 AM »

Dude I've never payed a single dime for an F22. People always give them away. I currently have 3 F blocks, 1 complete with no head and the rest are bare. I also have a few H blocks and heads.

Anyways, it is possible to turn a crank. But the real answer is that you should NOT turn a crank. Check to make sure the cranks journals are not out of round and if they fall within spec you'll be able to rev it out to whatever rpm your next weak link will break at.

I have the same issue except I get D15 and D16z6 for free all the time. I also have two H23 and a trans. just chilling in my garage. ;D

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2010, 08:46:34 AM »

Rods/bearings ride on a wedge of oil.  If its touching the supposed soft crank journal after grinding, you have bigger things to worry about.

Going completely off of porsche bs here, when you have a crank that costs more than most people's cars do, you dont toss it in the trash. I say grinding em is ok.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2010, 09:44:24 AM »

Didn't know that one! Good to know just before my build lol


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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2010, 11:47:01 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2010, 10:00:19 PM »

Don't they come from the factory with some kind of coating or micropolishing on them that comes off if you get it turned?

You think you're running on that coating?

You think that's air you're breathing?

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2010, 01:38:28 AM »

Turning a Honda crank? Why? I can see offset grinding/welding. You can get enough hardness from the different hardfacing weld techniques to be comparable to nitriding. Regardless, you can grind (still see don't see any reason to actually turn) a nitrided crank just fine, but you should re nitride it afterwards, we did this often when I worked for MB.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2010, 03:27:01 AM »

I'm calling BS.  H23 cranks break before a bearing can possibly damage a journal.

Noticed frosted flakes durring an oil change, and less than 50 miles later the oil light came on. Instantly shut it off, took it home to find the crank chewed up pretty nice where the bearing was almolst completely squished out of one of the rods. Some other journals were not looking to hot either. Picked up a ground crank with oversized bearing at the auto parts store, threw it together and continued its rapage for few thousand more miles until it was sold.

I was unaware that theese cranks are prone to breaking, I did have the belt off the "balance shaft" for the previous coupple thousand miles maybe that had somthing to do with it.
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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2010, 03:33:22 AM »

ASSuming the crank journals and bearings never touch, as it should be in most situations, I would say yes.

According to conventional 'wisdom,' no.

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Re: Honda knowledge poll #1
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2010, 05:33:49 AM »

Turning a Honda crank? Why?

Ever have trouble finding one that didn't need it?



Regardless, you can turn a nitrided crank just fine, but you should re nitride it afterwards, we did this often when I worked for MB.

Once again you're incorrect.

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