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Building a garage!
« on: October 26, 2011, 07:26:04 PM »

Repost + updates:

So I'm building a garage, just got the slab poured today.  Here is a shitload of pictures.





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Re: Building a garage!
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Re: Building a garage!
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Re: Building a garage!
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 08:11:23 PM »

FUCK YEAH! Looks good.
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2011, 08:31:21 PM »

No floor drains?
I get pissed daily that my shop doesn't have floor drains
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 11:20:57 PM »

  Are you finishing this in a place where Winter gets ass cold?

  Looks like progress, and depending on the finish of the concrete, a solid time to grind it down in preparation for the floor finish. I can't imagine you're gonna leave it raw, right?

  One of the larger garage floors I've done:



Sherwin Williams Tile-clad 2 part base, H&C deco flakes, and SW rexthane clear. The materials aren't cheap, but the shit's bulletproof.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2011, 01:25:12 PM »

No floor drain, no pit, no radiant flooring.  Ballin on a budget here.  I do have plans for a lift, and to put epoxy paint down on the floor.  That Sherwin Williams is the good stuff?  What sorta prep is involved?  What do you have to do to grind it down?   They left it pretty smooth.

I'm in MD, near the bay, coldest we get is about 30.  Definitely get at least a space heater in there though.  No plans for insulation or drywall at the moment.  That can always come later.

Problem with the drain is I'd probably lose stuff down there.  Also, probably not allowed to run it into the sewer around here, wouldn't want to run it into the yard.  Urinal would be nice though haha
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2011, 01:38:53 PM »

No floor drain, no pit, no radiant flooring.  Ballin on a budget here.  I do have plans for a lift, and to put epoxy paint down on the floor.  That Sherwin Williams is the good stuff?  What sorta prep is involved?  What do you have to do to grind it down?   They left it pretty smooth.

I'm in MD, near the bay, coldest we get is about 30.  Definitely get at least a space heater in there though.  No plans for insulation or drywall at the moment.  That can always come later.

Problem with the drain is I'd probably lose stuff down there.  Also, probably not allowed to run it into the sewer around here, wouldn't want to run it into the yard.  Urinal would be nice though haha


I would use a industrial floor sander that you can rent at your local rental shops. Then acid your floor to make sure its clean.

As for heat I would get a cast Iron stove and use that. You can cook yourself right out of your shop once its insulated. And you can burn all your old cardboard boxes you get car parts in..lol

Check craigslist. People are dumping them all the time for newer units.
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 05:39:24 PM »

As for heat I would get a cast Iron stove and use that. You can cook yourself right out of your shop once its insulated. And you can burn all your old cardboard boxes you get car parts in..lol

Check craigslist. People are dumping them all the time for newer units.

Or make a wood burner out a large barrel and piping.  :noel:

If you do that a write-up would be nice.  ;DDD

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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 12:19:09 AM »

  That Sherwin Williams is the good stuff?  What sorta prep is involved?  What do you have to do to grind it down?   They left it pretty smooth.


  You're gonna want the concrete to cure for about a month before coating it. It doesn't have to be way coarse for the epoxy to stick, but it can't be that slick "when it's wet on bare feet you'll fall on your ass" smooth. Post a picture of how it is.

  Sherwin will probably try to sell you the stupid homeowner kits that every store has, but the Tile-Clad is the type of shit that you'd find on a factory floor, and the clear is $109/gallon MY (contractors) price, but I don't do it any other way.

More pics in the epoxy floors album:

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 06:53:17 AM »

  That Sherwin Williams is the good stuff?  What sorta prep is involved?  What do you have to do to grind it down?   They left it pretty smooth.


  You're gonna want the concrete to cure for about a month before coating it. It doesn't have to be way coarse for the epoxy to stick, but it can't be that slick "when it's wet on bare feet you'll fall on your ass" smooth. Post a picture of how it is.

  Sherwin will probably try to sell you the stupid homeowner kits that every store has, but the Tile-Clad is the type of shit that you'd find on a factory floor, and the clear is $109/gallon MY (contractors) price, but I don't do it any other way.

More pics in the epoxy floors album:

https://www.facebook.com/PaintModePainting


Damn, that's expensive. I think I'll wait couple of years before doing mine...

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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 01:44:55 AM »

Is it just me or does it look really wet outside in the pics? Hope that concrete cures with no problems. Other than that, looks like a sweet project. How tall is the building going to be? And what kind of lift are you looking at?
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 07:26:14 PM »

Wood materials don't seem to spendy at all.  What did the slab run you?  I am seriously thinking of building a new garage myself.
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 10:56:52 AM »

i'm curious about the slab as well.  looks like it's gonna be sweet.  fucking deep ass footers too, damn
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 10:49:47 PM »

All said and done the concrete was about 15.5k.   7k raw materials (40 yards concrete + rebar, wire mesh)  6k labor (excavation, forms, backfill,  rebar mesh gravel...) and about 2.5k contractor fee/profit whatever.

For one thing the building reqts out here in anne arundel county, md, are excessive to say the least.  require atleast 30" deep by 18" wide footers, and the grade beams, with 4+ inch slab.  Plus I got rebar + wire mesh + the fiber reinforced concrete.  should be strong enough to park a tank... or so the concrete truck driver thought... 

I added up some numbers for the wood framing, seems pretty cheap.  Things like shingles and siding might surprise me though. 

I'll try and get some shots of the texture this weekend.  Winter sucks, barely get to see daylight anymore.  Some areas are pretty smooth, others are somewhat textured.  It'll probably be about 40 degrees daily once its cured for a month.  Too cold for that epoxy finish to dry?

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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2011, 12:38:09 AM »

I know it is waaaaaay too late for this now, but why didn't you run PEX tubing just in case you decide to do radiant heating later?

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2011, 11:11:35 PM »

Didnt realize there was someone else in maryland that was actually active on this site, not saying that I am because I rarely post. Garage progress looks great
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Re: Building a garage!
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2011, 03:04:45 AM »

Looks awesome. I would really suggest looking into proper insullation as it will keep the heat and cold at bay with assistance. Without it your going to run the heater/cooler longer which transitions into more money a month. The last thing I think you want is not going to the garage because powering creature comforts is too high.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2011, 11:18:54 PM »

It'll probably be about 40 degrees daily once its cured for a month.  Too cold for that epoxy finish to dry?

The product data sheet only shows the lowest listed dry times of 3 hrs touch/6 hrs tack free at 55 degrees, so barring any moisture or freezing temps, I'd still go with it, personally.  8)
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2011, 08:50:43 PM »

Here's the roughest area,



And the smoothest area,



I'm thinking powerwash it and paint it next weekend, weather permitting.  Was like 65+ temps out today.

Steve, you think I need to sand it or do anything else?  How much paint for 832 sq feet?  I'd guess 4 gallons... plus the clear.

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2011, 01:31:28 AM »

Based on your pictures, I think 3 "kits" (6 gallons total) (each "kit" is a gallon of the color, and a gallon of hardener= 2 gals/1 KIT) will cover it. You might be able to spread 2 kits to work, but when you run out of product and the floor isn't covered, you're fucked. If you're gonna use the Sherwin product I do, call your local store and make sure they stock it. Most don't, and it'll take them a day to get it in.

Your roughest areas aren't terrible, and neither are your smoothest. I'd say the product will stick to both, but I would go the extra mile and run a concrete floor grinder over the whole thing to level everything nice. I rent these by the day for $70-$100.





After that, use the hose or a powerwasher (better) to blast all the dust off the concrete. I sqweegy (sp?) the excess water off to help it dry quicker, but you may not need to be in that much of a rush. either way, make sure it's dry.

After it's dry, you have your product, and the flakes (if you're going to use them)....I buy more H&C Deco flakes (from Sherwin) than I know I'm going to use, because again, shit sucks balls if you run out and your product is drying/mixed. I like to use larger amounts of flake than what you would see on the "Johnny Homeowner" kits, cause more flakes looks kinda like granite. Anyhow, for a standard 2 car garage I'll usually order 14 bottles:

So, I found one of the 24 oz. bottles I use for referrence. For yours I'd buy 17 bottles. You'll return many of them, but you won't run out after you decide how heavy or light you want your flakes.  ;)



When laying the basecoat (part A & B of Tile Clad), you mix both parts 1 kit at a time, wait 10 minutes, and start rolling. If you're working with no walls still, you won't need a brush to do corners, but remember the roller you use for the basecoat will be trash when you finish. Don't even waste time trying to clean it.

Get a good 6' x  6' of product rolled out, and then throw your flakes as heavy as you wish. The key I've found to even dispersion (is that a word?) is to put the flakes in a larger bucket than they come in (pictured above), grab a handful, and the throw is all wrist (as gay as it sounds). Handful of flakes, wrist flick to the target. You'll figure it out after a couple throws.

6x6 sections, in a swift pace, you'll find what works for you, tape a line under the garage door seals, and walk when you're done.

For the rexthane clear the next day, you'll want to sweep the loose chips that didn't stick first. Or, as I like to do, blow loose chips out with a leaf blower. The clear is a simple roll ever sq inch, no biggie. It's like rolling water on, but say 3 gallons of that on yours for a thick clear.

That's it. To make things go a tad faster when we're working with time sensitive shit (the base coat), I like to use an 18" roller, as seen by painter Chris here:

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 02:00:49 AM »

I think that last guy just realized he epoxied himself into a corner...
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 10:11:27 AM »

It'll probably be about 40 degrees daily once its cured for a month.  Too cold for that epoxy finish to dry?

The product data sheet only shows the lowest listed dry times of 3 hrs touch/6 hrs tack free at 55 degrees, so barring any moisture or freezing temps, I'd still go with it, personally.  8)

Anyone who's been to the shop has seen how the floor's epoxied where my dyno bay is.  There are some blems in the cure/finish because we did it when it was ~35 degrees out.  The guy who did it (professionally) had been doing it in FL for years and wasn't prepared for the cold of WNC... the final verdict on it was that the cure time goes up A LOT as you get closer to freezing.  IIRC it had sat overnight for ~10 hours and was not enough.


I think that last guy just realized he epoxied himself into a corner...

He's probably wearing "cleats" so that he can walk across it on 5-6 spikes, instead of his whole foot, and the tiny little dimples that makes in the epoxy immediately fill back in since it's wet.

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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2011, 10:14:17 AM »

BTW, blems aside, three years later my floor is super easy to clean and aside from chipping where the lift ramps beat the floor has not deteriorated further than the initial cure-related issues.  I'm pretty sure the chipping is due to the consistency of the concrete floor, as it's chunks of concrete chipping up with epoxy attached and not epoxy coming free of the concrete.

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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2011, 10:18:47 AM »

Stealthmode,

any impressions of this?

http://www.epoxy-coat.com/

The guys on garage journal all love it... I have spent thelast month Drywalling and insulating my garage , it's 19 x26 1.5 car. I have tried to do everything right - tons of outlets - wired for surround sound - 60 Gal compressor hidden in the ceiling... hard air lines..   The one thing that keeps me confused is the floor...  I have even looked @ porclean tile.
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2011, 10:32:04 AM »

Also, fuck the gentleman above me.  That is all.

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2011, 10:43:47 AM »

Also, fuck the gentleman above me.  That is all.
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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2011, 11:05:17 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2011, 12:39:56 PM »

Stealthmode,

any impressions of this?

http://www.epoxy-coat.com/

The guys on garage journal all love it... I have spent thelast month Drywalling and insulating my garage , it's 19 x26 1.5 car. I have tried to do everything right - tons of outlets - wired for surround sound - 60 Gal compressor hidden in the ceiling... hard air lines..   The one thing that keeps me confused is the floor...  I have even looked @ porclean tile.

Porcelain tile, would their be an issue with oil, antifreeze, brake fluid, or other fluids getting soaked in the grout?   :noel:
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