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Re: obongo's healthcare bullshit
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2009, 06:59:06 PM »

No, not the last time I looked anyway; unless your mom infected me the last time I was jamming a fist up her cooter.
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2009, 07:54:32 PM »

Simple this isnt another country and majority of people here have great health care. Even those who dont already get funded by state programs that work well.


if your a full time student at any California state university you have free health care. The notion they potray of kids dying everyday because they cant get an antibotic is a fuckin joke.



My brother had to get 20+ stitches on one of his fingers was drunk and eat shit jumping a fence. No health care and was unemployed. His billended being like 75 bucks the state eat the rest of the bill. The system is fine already and most people who dont have health care at their job their wife/husband does at theirs

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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2009, 08:01:41 PM »

Well, hell, that's a different kettle of fish; I kinda got the impression that social healthcare didn't exist stateside, or at least wasn't anywhere near as comprehensive.

In that case, fuckit, why change it if it ain't broke? It's just an excuse to try and screw more money out of people because the cast of Jerry Springer bought houses they couldn't afford.
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Re: obongo's healthcare bullshit
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2009, 08:09:53 PM »

Meh, I don't have health insurance, simple trip to the ER would've cost me $1850 if I hadn't fought tooth and nail over it.
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2009, 08:12:18 PM »

If americans were dropping like flies due to lack of basic health care the world would know. We treat illegals why would we not treat our own citizens. Thats why this is such a hard hitting issue that isnt sitting well.



Its not happening. Now of course if you dont have health insurance and are under a state program not surprising you will not get the best health care compared to the guy who is making 150k. Then again that kinda applies to everything. The guy who is well off eats better,fucks better puss and has a nicer house. Thats the whole point of trying to work harder so you can try to be at that level someday if you choose.


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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2009, 08:14:19 PM »

Meh, I don't have health insurance, simple trip to the ER would've cost me $1850 if I hadn't fought tooth and nail over it.


Really in nazi california my brother all he had to do was fill out paper work and get it out within a week.


What was your bill after this fighting. Im assuming you went to court because if not that means you were on the phone a handful of times and had to fill out paperwork which sounds like what most people deal with. Its called dealing with a Hospital
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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2009, 09:28:11 PM »

This bill isn't about healthcare. It's about controlling people. End of issue.

If they really wanted to try to fix cost problems with our health care system we could stop treating illegal aliens. We pay for that shit

We could crack down on medical insurance fraud.

We could stop the thieving trial lawyers with malpractice law suits. Lawyers are mostly bloodsucking thieves taking their cuts and not giving a fuck.

But the healthcare bill doesn't talk about any of that does it?

 
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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2009, 09:37:16 PM »

I would not mind one bit, and may even smile, if Nancy Pelosi died in the next 24 hours
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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2009, 09:40:30 PM »

This bill isn't about healthcare. It's about controlling people. End of issue.

If they really wanted to try to fix cost problems with our health care system we could stop treating illegal aliens. We pay for that shit

We could crack down on medical insurance fraud.

We could stop the thieving trial lawyers with malpractice law suits. Lawyers are mostly bloodsucking thieves taking their cuts and not giving a fuck.

But the healthcare bill doesn't talk about any of that does it?

 




California passed prop 187 back in the 90's not allowing healthcare to illegal aliens. It passed fairly easy but guess what it was reversed


Whoever said we are the government is retarded. Californians dont support the looney laws passed here. We did just shoot down gay marriage but the courts are trying to reverse that too, California is a diverse state that doesnt want the bullshit we are handed.
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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2009, 11:51:41 PM »

Why we will have National Health Care by the End of Obama's Term

1.  Decent health insurance for 1 person is roughly $400-600 a month.

2.  National health care is now a part of being a first world country.  There aren't too many first world countries without it at this point.  We have to fit in or the world will explode.

3.  Although the hospital/state will pick up bills for getting shot or cutting your finger because they know their rates are ridiculous for such procedures, the same cannot be said for someone getting diagnosed with cancer and has to have surgery, chemo, radiation, and go on a slew of other drugs.  It may not cost the $200k they will bill it, but it will cost more than the state/hospital can simply write off.

4.  We have a democratic president and Senate majority.  Current Democrats firmly believe they know best for you and thusly will make sure you're taken care of the way they think you should be.

5.  It will really piss off Random-Strike.

6.  Politicians LOVE getting donations and medical companies have lots of money.

7.  Government run agencies=efficiency!
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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2009, 05:40:09 AM »

WTF!!!!! this can't be for real. can i get a copy of this thing to read. or what?

http://www.homemadeturbo.net/5thgen/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

all 1019 pages
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Re: obongo's healthcare bullshit
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2009, 08:11:07 AM »

"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"

That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.


Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering. 


Not sure what you mean, Gardasil is optional.

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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2009, 09:34:52 AM »

"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"

That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.


Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering. 


Not sure what you mean, Gardasil is optional.

Did you miss that whole thing where the Gov. of Texas was trying to make it manditory, despite the fact that its never been properly tested on anyone under the age of 21?
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Re: obongo's healthcare bullshit
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2009, 12:38:30 PM »


7.  Government run agencies=efficiency!

Wait!

What?

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2009, 03:07:39 PM »

Im assuming that was a joke.
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2009, 05:06:14 PM »

Im assuming that was a joke.

jseus.. I hope so.

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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2009, 08:44:22 PM »

Genocide on Mexicans and the bombing and destroying of Mexico would honestly fix everything.
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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2009, 09:44:12 PM »

you wanted a monkey in the white house you got one losers
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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2009, 09:47:58 PM »

you wanted a monkey in the white house you got one losers

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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2009, 11:01:03 PM »

"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"

That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.


Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering. 


Not sure what you mean, Gardasil is optional.

Did you miss that whole thing where the Gov. of Texas was trying to make it manditory, despite the fact that its never been properly tested on anyone under the age of 21?

Yup, missed that completely.

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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2009, 11:04:07 PM »


Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of all employers that  are self- insure.

conducting a study =/= auditing the books of.

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Pg 42 The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You will no longer have a choice.

the word benefits is mentioned nowhere on page 42. what document were you looking at?

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PG 50 health care will be provided to ALL non - US citizens, illegal or otherwise

fail again. it's about not discriminating against people for genetic defects, and it clearly states that it does not supersede any state regulations regarding discrimination. it says nothing about immigrants, period. again, what document are you reading?

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Pg 58  Government employees will have real-time access to all individuals finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued (this may case more problems with identity theft).

LOL! we ARE reading the same document! one of us is just taking a lot more liberty in what we think it says.

what it REALLY says is that gub'ment employees will have real-time access to YOUR FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY on a case by case basis. they do NOT have access to your finances. i'll say it again so the slow learners can understand: THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR FINANCES!!!!!!

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Pg 59 lines 21-24 Government employees will have direct access to your bank accounts  for electronic funds transfer (as specified)

 this is no different that my electronic funds transfer for my student loans. whoopdy shit. if you prefer to pay by check, you can. electronic funds transfer IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. the only REQUIRED electronic portion is the ability to sign people up.

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PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (such as ACORN).

it's to assist participating employers in helping cover retirees and their families so the employers don't have to shoulder the burden themselves and become financially insolvent *coughGMcough*.


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PG 84 Sec 203 mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

no, it doesn't. you (or whomever interpreted this for you) missed the words "EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING." it mandates benefits for those participating. it DOES NOT MANDATE PARTICIPATION.


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PG 85 Line 7 Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. (rationing)

remember, you can buy your insurance elsewhere if you don't like these benefits. this DOES NOT specify benefit levels for non-participating private insurance companies.

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pg 127 Lines 1-16  Doctors - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.

no, the secretary will establish rates using rates paid for comparable services under medicare, with participating physicians making ~5% more for being 'preferred' providers. this does not dictate what private insurers pay doctors, it sets a payment schedule for participating doctors through negotiation and using current, comparable rates.

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Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care insurance for all part-time employees AND their families.

there is nothing of this sort on page 126. sorry.

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Pg 170 Lines 1-3 all non-resident aliens are exempt from individual taxes.

this one isn't particularly fair, i'll grant that. but it doesn't mean that aliens don't have to pay taxes, it means the tax penalty for not having insurance does not apply to them. sucks, but it's not a "get out of paying taxes free" card.

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Pg 195  Officers & employees of the Health Care Administration will have access to ALL American's financial and personal records

NO NO NO NO NO. jesus christ NO. they will have access to certain parts of your tax information as it pertains to affordability credits, and is LIMITED TO (says so, in plain english, right in the bill):
tax ID
filing status
modified adjusted gross income
number of dependents
taxable year

this is information that the government already has. THEY ARE NOT GETTING ANY NEW INFORMATION ABOUT YOU IF YOU CHOOSE THE PUBLIC OPTION.

seriously, WHO read the bill and farted out this BULLSHIT interpretation of it?

really, i could go on, but i'm tired, and

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no it doesn't, read the bill


is a sufficient answer to each instance listed beyond what i've noted.

cliff's notes: the sky is not falling, chicken little. seriously, let go of rush's teat.


both sides are fucked up. i'm not going to pretend that democrats wouldn't be pulling the same bullshit if the tables were turned.

it's the rampant hypocrisy that i can't stand.

rush/hannity/beck/levin/lewis/etc want the government to stay out of the lives of the citizens... except when we're talking about gay marriage. then they want the government to tell people how to live their lives.

when people protested bush's plan to invade iraq (echoing the opinion of the majority of planet earth), they were "unamerican" and "traitors" and "crazy liberals," but when these same guys incite people to go disrupt town hall meetings and scream in their elected officials' faces and spread misinformation by quoting the very "talking points" that they claim to dispise from the left, it's "patriotic." a "talking point" doesn't magically turn into a fact just because you're a conservative.

the only thing sadder are the people who actually BRING a paper copy of the bill to a town hall meeting and yell about these talking points, proving that they haven't even READ the thing they're holding in their hands, yet feel obligated to inform the people who WROTE it of what it says.

i mean, really? nobody sees how ridiculous that is?
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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2009, 12:25:29 AM »

there are several different bills. all disasters.
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2009, 12:41:44 AM »

there are several different bills. all disasters.

Fascinating.  Such insight.  Amazing, really.

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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2009, 02:02:38 AM »

kgx is a faggot sheeple
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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2009, 06:05:28 AM »

Its spikers fault, he voted for that nigger.  SPIKEr YOU niGGER LOVER, JESUS cHrist i could never fuck a black gititch, they probably have some super dark ABYss of death, dark hole black matter dark as fuckshit pussy.


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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2009, 08:09:10 AM »

kgx is a faggot sheeple that can actually READ, instead of just copy/paste what he's read on the EIB network without actually confirming any of it.

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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2009, 08:16:05 AM »


 :?:

seriously... why do you fuckers turn into babbling idiots when you drink?
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« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2009, 09:01:03 AM »

I'm glad we can all discuss this intelligently.

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« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2009, 09:03:40 AM »

I'm glad we can all discuss this intelligently.

johnny's covering the bill on this one, isn't he?

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