Topic: Looks like my ancient techedge WB shit the bed, what should i get now? (Read 8130 times)

TTC · « **on:** September 12, 2009, 06:07:07 PM »

I have heard the AEM uego is a bit slow and not as good for tuning, the innovate is to hit and miss for me. What else should I look into for a WB replacement?

jagojon3 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:16:34 PM »

My Innovate works great

TTC · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:18:26 PM »

Thing is I would really like to have a visual gauge and the AEM is so damned cheap, is it really that bad.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2009, 07:00:44 PM »

Yes, it is really that bad.

Innovate if it's a permanent install, NGK AFX if it's a permanent install or as a portable unit for tuning multiple cars.

Sometimes you get suckered into the Innovate if you need serial logging. I really hate how they get fucked around on weak or odd charging systems, on some cars you spend more time resetting and free air calibrating them than you do tuning.

SloS13 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2009, 07:43:26 PM »

My Innovate LM-1 (old shit) was CONSTANTLY having a problem with bad sensors. I had it for maybe 3 years and probably went through 6-8 O2 sensors. I'm running a UEGO now and it does seem to have a bit of a delay but the sensor lasts.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:35:14 PM »

It's also not accurate. I would never own an AEM wideband.

bouncinofftherevlimiter · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:38:19 PM »

i have an NGK AFX, it too is slightly delayed, and the range is not as broad as the innovatives (9-16), but how much more than that do you need? It is def. better than the AEM a friend of mine had, for the price i cant bitch, it does what i need it to.

SloS13 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:56:10 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on September 12, 2009, 08:35:14 PM

It's also not accurate. I would never own an AEM wideband.

accuracy is secondary. It's got bad-ass exchangeable face plates and auto-dimming.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:56:55 PM »

FUCK NOW I HAVE TO OWN ONE

dvst8r · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:20:31 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on September 12, 2009, 08:56:55 PM

FUCK NOW I HAVE TO OWN ONE

To coherent, not enough rambling about things not related, but the caps still carried it.

widebody93 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:39:13 PM »

PLX M300
and the sensors you can buy at autozone for 56 bucks for replacements.

dvst8r · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:40:49 PM »

Quote from: widebody93 on September 12, 2009, 09:39:13 PM

PLX M300
and the sensors you can buy at autozone for 56 bucks for replacements.

Wtf, you can't just go make a post like that right after, how are we supposed to compare the difference...

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:26:06 PM »

Widebuddy93 is really the classic AOLbot, with a smaller vocabulary.

98vtec · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:47:05 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on September 12, 2009, 10:26:06 PM

Widebuddy93 is really the classic AOLbot, with a smaller vocabulary.

LOL

i really like my PLX Sm-AFR. Bitch has not glitched or had any problems since the day of install and i have been through 3 other widebands which could not compare.

chris · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:47:53 PM »

http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm

Thats what i use

widebody93 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:00:47 PM »

Funny Joseph
Yeah plx is my brand of choice. sensors at part store I believe is for the vw's. AND IF BLUNDELL USES THEM THEY GOT TO BE GOOD.

patsmx5 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:24:37 PM »

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/innovate-standalone-gauge-kit-lc1-blue-gauge-p-153.html

Teg2boo · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:28:57 PM »

LM-1 is working fine for me. Only problem is the power switch on the side. I always forget to set it off and I burn batteries...

I just stopped to put a battery in and its fine now

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:31:22 PM »

Quote from: widebody93 on September 12, 2009, 11:00:47 PM

Funny Joseph
Yeah plx is my brand of choice. sensors at part store I believe is for the vw's. AND IF BLUNDELL USES THEM THEY GOT TO BE GOOD.

They all use that sensor, except for newer AEMs and PLX SM-AFRs.

They aren't the best unit. I've been through $1500 in widebands, and only my M-250 hasn't failled me. I like the Innovative's better... if only they weren't such unreliable whores.

patsmx5 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:31:50 PM »

LC-1's are finiky if not wired up properly. By properly, I mean by wiring it in accordance with the directions included with the LC-1, and no deviation. For some reason, reading and following directions proves challenging for many, and this has often resulted in LC-1's loosing their calibration from unstable voltage. I do not know anybody who has wired up an LC-1 properly and had a problem with it. I know 100's who've not wired them up properly and had problems with them. Almost like a pattern.

dvst8r · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:40:20 PM »

The PLX unit says it is bio diesel compatible, I wonder if it is also normal #2 diesel compatible... $:-\$ If that is the case I'm buying one Monday morning.

Teg2boo · « **Reply #21 on:** September 13, 2009, 12:15:45 AM »

Quote from: c0mpl3x on September 12, 2009, 11:52:04 PM

Quote from: patsmx5 on September 12, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
LC-1's are finiky if not wired up properly. By properly, I mean by wiring it in accordance with the directions included with the LC-1, and no deviation. For some reason, reading and following directions proves challenging for many, and this has often resulted in LC-1's loosing their calibration from unstable voltage. I do not know anybody who has wired up an LC-1 properly and had a problem with it. I know 100's who've not wired them up properly and had problems with them. Almost like a pattern.

you mean like grounding your MS?

Ouch

patsmx5 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 13, 2009, 12:24:17 AM »

Quote from: c0mpl3x on September 12, 2009, 11:52:04 PM

Quote from: patsmx5 on September 12, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
LC-1's are finiky if not wired up properly. By properly, I mean by wiring it in accordance with the directions included with the LC-1, and no deviation. For some reason, reading and following directions proves challenging for many, and this has often resulted in LC-1's loosing their calibration from unstable voltage. I do not know anybody who has wired up an LC-1 properly and had a problem with it. I know 100's who've not wired them up properly and had problems with them. Almost like a pattern.

you mean like grounding your MS?

Precisely.

jeffsciv23 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 13, 2009, 02:37:24 AM »

PLX is my choice of widebands.

-d112crzy

Conceptz-X · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2009, 03:10:19 AM »

Wired my LC-1 in, has done fine since day 1, till my exh fell off and I ripped the sensor lead.

Havent replaced it yet, my street tune was decent and I have been running it as it is.

caged · « **Reply #25 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:02:39 AM »

Quote from: chris M on September 12, 2009, 10:47:53 PM

http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm
Thats what i use

I use this also and am happy with it. Once and a while it will start spiking all over the show but after a shut down and reopen its ok. (i think it may have something to do with vista fail)

TTC · « **Reply #26 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:20:19 AM »

I would buy an innovate but the god damned things are so twitchy. One day it works, one day it's fucked. What about the JAW unit? The plx unit seems nice.

So if im using this sensor with megasquirt what would I use when configurating since its not in the list? Is a linear wb from company A producing the same voltage output 0-5v for a given afr, is that the same as the same afr and voltage for company B? So if i get a PLX would i just set for instance innovate LC1 would use the same settings as a PLX-SM-AFR

#group LAMBDA_SENSOR "MS-I Lambda Sensor Type"
00048 #unset NARROW_BAND_EGO "Narrowband Sensor"
00049 #unset WB_1_0_LINEAR "Wideband in NB Emulator Mode, 0-1v 1.5-0.5 Lambda"
00050 #unset AEM_LINEAR "AEM Gauge AEM-30-42xx"
00051 #unset AEM_NON_LINEAR "AEM UEGO Controller AEM-30-230x"
00052 #unset DIYWB_NON_LINEAR "DIY-WB or Tech Edge non-linear output"
00053 #unset DYNOJET_LINEAR "DynoJet Wideband Commander"
00054 # set TECHEDGE_LINEAR "Tech Edge sensor giving 0-5V 9-19:1 AFR"
00055 #unset INNOVATE_1_2_LINEAR "Innovate sensor giving 1-2V 10-20:1 AFR"
00056 #unset INNOVATE_0_5_LINEAR "Innovate, PLX 0-5V 10-20:1 AFR"
00057 #unset INNOVATE_LC1_DEFAULT "Innovate LC-1 default, 0-5v = 0.5-1.5 lambda"
00058 #unset ZEITRONIX_NON_LINEAR "Zeitronix Non-linear WB"
00059 #unset WB_UNKNOWN "Wideband sensor but none of the above types"
00060 #endgroup

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #27 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:41:17 AM »

Quote from: patsmx5 on September 13, 2009, 12:24:17 AM

Quote from: c0mpl3x on September 12, 2009, 11:52:04 PM
Quote from: patsmx5 on September 12, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
LC-1's are finiky if not wired up properly. By properly, I mean by wiring it in accordance with the directions included with the LC-1, and no deviation. For some reason, reading and following directions proves challenging for many, and this has often resulted in LC-1's loosing their calibration from unstable voltage. I do not know anybody who has wired up an LC-1 properly and had a problem with it. I know 100's who've not wired them up properly and had problems with them. Almost like a pattern.

you mean like grounding your MS?
Precisely.

Actually, I tuned another MS yesterday. It had a nasty breakup at 4200-4300, sometimes you couldn't rev past it, but I eventually got it smoothed out by tweaking generic coil settings. You having EDIS, though - meh.

TTC · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:46:19 AM »

IIRC as long as you ground the TEchedge at teh same spot that the MS is grounded at it should work fine. But my MS is grounded into the entire harness, so which do i pick lol. Ground at the block, intake mani, tranny ect.

Minor Threat · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2009, 12:05:19 PM »

Block dummy.

Pick up a JAW, they're cheap and mine works great. You can wire it up to one of those faggy lightshow gauges if you want a display.

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