Topic: More questions about vans. (Read 4380 times)

Zarcorp · « **on:** October 05, 2009, 06:46:05 PM »

Need to know what to do for the full size chevy conversion vans EFI.

Piggy back?

Moates has some kind of stand alone?

Want to tune it for silly mileage.

turbostd · « **Reply #1 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:51:26 PM »

megasquirt

patsmx5 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:59:02 PM »

Quote from: turbostd on October 05, 2009, 06:51:26 PM

megasquirt

+1 maybe. They are cheap and will work, but can be a pain in the ass too.

turbostd · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:01:20 PM »

meh only one i messed with was on a saturn and the kid that owned the car was an idiot. Ive always wanted to get one myself but can never come up with the fundage.

jagojon3 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:26:04 PM »

I don't think you can get "silly" mileage, maybe a slight increase though. Let us know if it was worth your effort.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:27:58 PM »

What year is it? The OBD1 stuff is cake to tune and cheap to get into. Simple simple simple.

If OBD2 I may/may not be able to help depending on what direction i go with the gear. I'm leaning towards a Moates Roadrunner/TunerCATS OBD2 which allows me to reflash all pre-CAN LSx engines and some misc stuff without paying a $100 license fee on every car, but leaves much of the Vortec stuff unavailable.

chris · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:03:39 PM »

Vans hurt my feet. Mot sure why they are so popular. They dont even look cool.

Conceptz-X · « **Reply #7 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:17:46 PM »

shaggin wagon...

throw a bed on the back, decent tunes, some dim lighting, and some blinds.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:19:44 PM »

I had a '78 Chevy G10 long wheelbase with 250 inline 6 and 3 speed on the tree, it was my second "car" and I got fucking laid in it.

Sinister · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:42:38 PM »

Quote from: c0mpl3x on October 05, 2009, 09:30:20 PM

Quote from: Joseph Davis on October 05, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
I had a '78 Chevy G10 long wheelbase with 250 inline 6 and 3 speed on the tree, it was my second "car" and I got fucking laid in it.
if the van got you laid, it's the holy grail and kains only chance

Did you really put JD's game on the same par as Kain?

Van's are awesome for getting laid in. Isn't cramped like damn cars, you can stretch out and put on some tunes and drive anywhere you want

chris · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:43:00 PM »

My dad owned a 82 dodge van for 25+ years. He bought the industrial one without back side windows. he took a sawzall and installed windows in it himself.

snm95ls · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:51:14 PM »

Kind of helps to know what year, so we know what EFI system you are dealing with.

TBI stuff has the nice option of running the EBL system.

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Flash.php

As JD already said, the OBD1 stuff is dirt cheap to get into, but if you are getting an OBD1 G van (87-95), then it will be TBI as there were no other options for them.

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:20:01 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on October 05, 2009, 08:27:58 PM

What year is it? The OBD1 stuff is cake to tune and cheap to get into. Simple simple simple.

If OBD2 I may/may not be able to help depending on what direction i go with the gear. I'm leaning towards a Moates Roadrunner/TunerCATS OBD2 which allows me to reflash all pre-CAN LSx engines and some misc stuff without paying a $100 license fee on every car, but leaves much of the Vortec stuff unavailable.

No one uses tunercats, something about it sucking ass and never being updated, but 100 license fee on all the other shit sucks donkey dick

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:29:44 AM »

Quote from: LS1pwNzJ00 on October 05, 2009, 11:20:01 PM

Quote from: Joseph Davis on October 05, 2009, 08:27:58 PM
What year is it? The OBD1 stuff is cake to tune and cheap to get into. Simple simple simple.

If OBD2 I may/may not be able to help depending on what direction i go with the gear. I'm leaning towards a Moates Roadrunner/TunerCATS OBD2 which allows me to reflash all pre-CAN LSx engines and some misc stuff without paying a $100 license fee on every car, but leaves much of the Vortec stuff unavailable.

No one uses tunercats, something about it sucking ass and never being updated, but 100 license fee on all the other shit sucks donkey dick

It doesn't suck ass, you just use something else to datalog with. And there are updates for it from four months ago?

Zarcorp · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2009, 06:43:24 PM »

I was thinking about a G Van, tbi isn't that bad is it?

What should I be looking for, 350's are good motors afaik so I was leaning toward a chebby.

I haven't actually got the van yet.

Silly to the tune of 25mpg would be fine.

Personal anecdotes as well as known problems with Dodge, Chevy, and Ford vans would be nice as well, I trust this forum much more than consumer reports.

Still looking at the consumer reports.

Zarcorp · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:03:52 PM »

Also which is easiest to work on, might go look at an 89 E150 straight six ford van, did those come with the International motor?

random-strike · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:22:19 PM »

Zarcorp · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:29:41 PM »

Shut up Johnny, I haven't had the misfortune of working on a chebby van but I have had to do injector seals on a suburban, shit's weak.

If there is anything that's a better alternative let me know. If I get a chevy I'm going to fix all the common 350 shit anyway, valve cover gaskets, leakdown for valve seals, plugs, and listening for that high stall whine the transmissions make before they eat it.

rawr · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:30:36 PM »

Hi rawr 2!

Kenny Rogers · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:36:57 PM »

Zarcorp · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:37:22 PM »

Quote from: rawr on October 06, 2009, 07:30:36 PM

Hi rawr 2!

I'm gonna rape your paycheck.

random-strike · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:44:08 PM »

turbo it, its the best way for you to increase gas mileage.

do you really want to spend 1000 and make your mileage worse with a megasquirt

put a spreadbore and quadrajet on it.

t_cel_t · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:52:10 PM »

regrind the cams to a pseudo atkinson cycle profile

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2009, 08:07:26 PM »

The pre-OBD2 Ford truck EFI is a bit wierd to deal with. Converting to MAF/Mustang ECU would be most expedient. I loooooove 94-04 Ford ECUs.

OBD1 GM stuff is luscious chocolate cake drizzled in strawberries and naked cheerleaders. OBD2 GM is $100 per car license fees and meh.

There are no real Dodge solutions until the 96, then they have limited support for some cars/trucks. It isn't until they got serious about making a decent product and made the SRT lineup that tuning stuff became available. If you ditched this van idea and got a 03/04+ DCX I could maybe hook something wacky up?

Zarcorp · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2009, 09:20:26 PM »

I need something for touring.

As in packing in three cabinets, a drum set, three big heads, and then seating 5-7 people.

Not to mention sub $500 price range is optimum.

I've found G vans in that range.

$500 for the van estimate about $1000-1300 to fix shit, I was going to rebuild a motor for it myself, I'm just not sure how much of a bitch it is to pull it out from the bottom in a driveway.

I'll bring it to you JD if we come play Asheville.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2009, 09:41:59 PM »

Back last fall you could get a 97-00 van in great shape for $2000 because of what gas cost.

With how the economy is in FL, you should be able to find a similar deal.

Zarcorp · « **Reply #26 on:** October 06, 2009, 09:51:30 PM »

I don't have $2000.

We'll keep our eyes peeled though. I have no problem fixing up an old van, regardless.

snm95ls · « **Reply #27 on:** October 06, 2009, 10:08:50 PM »

Quote from: Zarcorp on October 06, 2009, 07:29:41 PM

Shut up Johnny, I haven't had the misfortune of working on a chebby van but I have had to do injector seals on a suburban, shit's weak.

If there is anything that's a better alternative let me know. If I get a chevy I'm going to fix all the common 350 shit anyway, valve cover gaskets, leakdown for valve seals, plugs, and listening for that high stall whine the transmissions make before they eat it.

SBCs have not had chronic valve cover leaks since the inception of center bolt valve covers in 1987. I have no idea what injector seals you have had to do on a Suburban since it is rare that TBI injector seals fail, and there aren't really injector seals to speak of on the CPI setups with the poppet valves.

The L05 is a dog at best that gets horrible mileage in stock form. Dunno how much of that can be remedied with the suggestions above.

Conceptz-X · « **Reply #28 on:** October 06, 2009, 10:13:36 PM »

Umm, you take the grille, rad support,etc. off and pull it out the front not the bottom

Zarcorp · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:01:47 PM »

Quote from: snm95ls on October 06, 2009, 10:08:50 PM

Quote from: Zarcorp on October 06, 2009, 07:29:41 PM
Shut up Johnny, I haven't had the misfortune of working on a chebby van but I have had to do injector seals on a suburban, shit's weak.

If there is anything that's a better alternative let me know. If I get a chevy I'm going to fix all the common 350 shit anyway, valve cover gaskets, leakdown for valve seals, plugs, and listening for that high stall whine the transmissions make before they eat it.

SBCs have not had chronic valve cover leaks since the inception of center bolt valve covers in 1987. I have no idea what injector seals you have had to do on a Suburban since it is rare that TBI injector seals fail, and there aren't really injector seals to speak of on the CPI setups with the poppet valves.

The L05 is a dog at best that gets horrible mileage in stock form. Dunno how much of that can be remedied with the suggestions above.

I am looking at mostly early-mid 80's vans, if I can find a G van that is OBD1. The suburban had that 6.5 diesel with the hard lines to the injector around the back of the manifold, I think it was still TBI.

What would you suggest swapping into the van, I figured it would be a good idea to look for a new motor and rebuild it.

Also what should I do about old tired automatic transmissions, what are the common problems with them when neglected (duh). Or what needs to be replaced first.

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