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[Joseph Davis]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

[sewell94]

The cop was traveling at 90+mph, at 65mph the accident wouldn't have occurred, as evidence by the tape of the cop who was traveling 65mph, the car clearly had room to make the turn if the excessive speed haden't occured.

And yes the driver/passenger of the car realized they made a mistake and were in trouble. i know first hand.

[Passenger]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.

[onlyflash944]

Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?

the only poor choice, was made by the officer.  the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming. 


This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned?  or what about if the cop wasn't speeding.  You can look at it either way.  Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something.  cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.

[Passenger]

The cop was traveling at 90+mph, at 65mph the accident wouldn't have occurred, as evidence by the tape of the cop who was traveling 65mph, the car clearly had room to make the turn if the excessive speed haden't occured.

And yes the driver/passenger of the car realized they made a mistake and were in trouble. i know first hand.

Just as much as the collision wouldn't have occurred if the driver had not pulled into the roadway with on coming traffic.
I've had a DL in both Canada and USA and in both countries the literature provided to you pre licensing states that you are not cross the roadway the unless traffic is clear.

[Robb]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.

The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies.  I thought everyone knew that.

[Passenger]

Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?

the only poor choice, was made by the officer.  the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming. 


This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned?  or what about if the cop wasn't speeding.  You can look at it either way.  Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something.  cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.

Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.

[Passenger]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.

The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies.  I thought everyone knew that.

That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.

[Joseph Davis]

Less fatal.  Right.

[Robb]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.

The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies.  I thought everyone knew that.

That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.

Its called sarcasm.  I would have thought your job would have accustomed you to that. 

[sewell94]

Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.

The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.

If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.

The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.

[Passenger]

Less fatal.  Right.

While I would usually be with you on that bashing that stupid statement I meant to imply the likely hood of at least one of the teens surviving. All aside, we are being technical here and I was technically incorrect. You got me. I should have said there being a possibility of less fatalities.

[crttaz]

IMHO the driver could only see the one cop car, the speeding cop car was hidden behind it until too late.

[Passenger]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.

The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies.  I thought everyone knew that.

That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.

Its called sarcasm.  I would have thought your job would have accustomed you to that. 

Still doesn't really seem all that sarcastic even after you pointed it out, meh, sorry I'm slow.

[Robb]

You guys are falling prey media boosted propaganda that the law enforcement is an evil entity, part of a socialist plot no doubt, enjoy the sheets over your eyes.

I socialist plot wouldn't put law enforcement in a negative light,

there are no sheets over my eyes, i feel the cop (who should be held to a higher standard, because of the extra rights they are given) should have not been going that fast.  Both cops over stepped the boundaries, both should be punished.

 If that were you and me, we'd both be charged with street racing, and homocide.

 Do you think that if the cop had had his POPO lights on, the driver would have been able to identify the cops speed alittle better??

I absolutely think it would be easier to determine the cops speed with his lights on, I would also agree that he SHOULD have had his lights on. But I do not view the speed of the officer being the difference between life and death for the teens, we don't know that the teens wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the officer was doing 45mph.

Most cars can take a 45 mph impact to the B-pillar and the occupants will live.  Cop is ccriminally negligent.

Lol, Joey, what do you want to argue about here?

Pick a topic, I'll argue it with you.  You're too calm and need to be rattled - I'll eventually hit the right button.   

Only problem would be is that I stop arguing when I get mad A hot head is no state to be making decisions, accusations, holding arguements etc. I would like to bicker about cognitive learning though, however tonight isn't the best as I have to leave the shop soon and won't be around a computer for the rest of the night. Can we re schedule?

Just bring it up anytime, I'm down.

Agreed.
I will be sure to when I have adequate time.

The truthful-ness of one's truth is clearly based on their vernacular inaccuracies.  I thought everyone knew that.

That is a pretty ignorant statement, slightly surprising to me as your job requires problem solving.

Its called sarcasm.  I would have thought your job would have accustomed you to that. 

Still doesn't really seem all that sarcastic even after you pointed it out, meh, sorry I'm slow.

Yes, its true. I am an ass. But I have a doctors note so its OK.

[Passenger]

Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.

The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.

If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.

The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.

True, if all else held the same the accident would have been avoided. But if we are talking about altering the reality of the situation, who is to say the teens wouldn't have made a poor choice in turning in front of someone going the speed limit. Hell these kids could have very likely been under the influence.

The cop should most definitely be held to the same standard as anyone else and if anything more severely punished.

[Joseph Davis]

Less fatal.  Right.

While I would usually be with you on that bashing that stupid statement I meant to imply the likely hood of at least one of the teens surviving. All aside, we are being technical here and I was technically incorrect. You got me. I should have said there being a possibility of less fatalities.

Have you ever been in, or witnessed, an accident where someone is t-boned like that?  If speed limits were obeyed, in most cars made after 1990 those kids would have survived FACT.  A police cruiser isn't some jacked up steel bumper truck, it impacted directly in the door bar where the car is designed to withstand a hard impact - everything else is crumple zones in the cruiser.

FYI, Raymond McDade survived (after 3 weeks in the hospital) being T-bones by Officer Spears of the APD, uhm, 14 years ago?  Officer Spears was doing 88 in a 30 mph zone (no lights no siren) and came up over a blind hill after Raymond had started to pull out.  Justin Boring, in the passenger seat, lightly fractured his left arm and was able to get out of the car before the cop got out of his.  Same exact impact as the one in the video linked to in the first post.

[onlyflash944]

Back to the drivers, I wouldn't doubt that they realized their poor decision before they died, but poor choices are made (the cop speeding was certainly one of them) and they died. Two poor decisions resulted in death, this shouldn't be such a shocker. What about more surprising things in life like people making good decisions and dying as a result of them?

the only poor choice, was made by the officer.  the driver of the car made no poor choice, only failed to recognize how fast the cop was coming. 


This is a chicken and egg argument here, and I think it's pretty obvious to 9/10 posting that the bigger wrong (blaitently breaking the speeding law vs. not seeing the cop car comming at well above posted speed limit) was commited by the officer. Would the accident happened if the car wouldn't of turned?  or what about if the cop wasn't speeding.  You can look at it either way.  Bottom line is the cop car was far enough away from the intersection when the car made the turn to easily avoid a collision if he wasn't going 90 something.  cops know better than to do that kind of shit, but they do because they get away with it way too often.

Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.

look, i can argue till i'm blue in the face and it might not do any good.  so if you continue to feel that the driver "pulled out infront of a vehicle that was going way over the speed limit, so it's the car making the turn's fault" then thats fine.  maybe you're right.  maybe not.  

but i'm going to try to get you to understand where i'm comming from (which is probably a waste of my time).  I don't know about you, but right now, I drive a bus for a living.  Sure its only 15-20 hours a week, but thats a lot of seat time.  Personally, the majority of the time when I make a left hand turn across oncomming traffic, I look to see how big of a hole there is.  Not the closing speed of the closest car.  I'm guessing the driver did too.  The space between the intersection and the cop car would have been MORE than enough space to safely make the turn had the cop been going the speed limit.  Now re-read until you at least comprehend what I'm saying.  I didn't say re-read till you agree with me.

Now some information to support my theory of people not looking at speeds.  Everyone in town thinks 40 foot, 37,000 lb busses are slow.  Know how I know?  On a DAILY basis, someone pulls out infront of me while I'm doing the speed limit.  People think, "here comes a big bus, I bet it's going slow so I can beat it."  They take it for granted that I must be slow because I'm a big vehicle.  Of course I have to slow down to keep from hitting them, but I'm willing to bet they do not take the time to accurately assess the bus' true speed before pulling out.  This is what happened to the driver of the car.  They saw they had plenty of room to make the turn for the space given and for the oncoming car traveling at a resonable speed.  So they proceded to make the turn, oblivious to the fact that the cop was going over 90 without lights and sirens.  You want to blame the teens driving?  Go ahead, all they did was take something for granted.  The fact is that the cop was speeding like hell, and didn't have lights and sirens on to alert others of his speed.  If they had been on, we woudln't even have this thread.  cop is at fault, end-of-story

[onlyflash944]

Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.

The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.

If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.

The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.

EXACTLY.

[Joseph Davis]

Not really, the accident could have occurred without regard to the officers speed. The officer had the right of way, the teens cut in front of him. Unfortunately the speed that the officer was driving at was enough to be fatal for the teens, had he been going the speed limit it is very likely the impact would have been less fatal, if even at all.

The speed of the cop is the issue, using the speed of cop as the only variable, the accident wouldnt have occurred if the speed limit would have been obeyed.

If this didn't involve a speeding cop, we wouldn't even be argueing about this.

The main isues here is the cop being held to the same standards as everyone else.

EXACTLY.

[Robb]

[turbob16hatch]

clearly it is the cops fault just based on speed like stated earlier.

something like this happened local last summer. Some retard on a motorcycle was doing wheelies and rippin down a busy street in town, a 15yr old girl in here dads escalade pulled out from a side street and blam the dude face first blasts the drivers car door killing him instantly. she gets out and runs away after seeing his brain goo covering everything for 20 feet.

He was going like 60-75 mph in a 30mph zone and she had judged it to be safe based on the amount of room, not taking into account the speed of the doushe on the bike. she was blamed at the begining based on her lack of experience and age... yadda yadda yadda. It wasn't untill liek 50 people said he was acting like a doushe and doing wheelies that everyone agreed it was his fault.

So again take into account the speed factor and the cop is toast.

[random-strike]

people should band together and string em up

[potatodude]

I T-boned a police cruiser going around 65 in my old civic, the officer and his passenger were completely uninjured, as was i. So based on my own experience, i would say the officers speeding is completely to blame for there deaths.

[Ntrain2k]

look, i can argue till i'm blue in the face and it might not do any good.  so if you continue to feel that the driver "pulled out infront of a vehicle that was going way over the speed limit, so it's the car making the turn's fault" then thats fine.  maybe you're right.  maybe not.  

but i'm going to try to get you to understand where i'm comming from (which is probably a waste of my time).  I don't know about you, but right now, I drive a bus for a living.  Sure its only 15-20 hours a week, but thats a lot of seat time.  Personally, the majority of the time when I make a left hand turn across oncomming traffic, I look to see how big of a hole there is.  Not the closing speed of the closest car.  I'm guessing the driver did too.  The space between the intersection and the cop car would have been MORE than enough space to safely make the turn had the cop been going the speed limit.  Now re-read until you at least comprehend what I'm saying.  I didn't say re-read till you agree with me.

Now some information to support my theory of people not looking at speeds.  Everyone in town thinks 40 foot, 37,000 lb busses are slow.  Know how I know?  On a DAILY basis, someone pulls out infront of me while I'm doing the speed limit.  People think, "here comes a big bus, I bet it's going slow so I can beat it."  They take it for granted that I must be slow because I'm a big vehicle.  Of course I have to slow down to keep from hitting them, but I'm willing to bet they do not take the time to accurately assess the bus' true speed before pulling out.  This is what happened to the driver of the car.  They saw they had plenty of room to make the turn for the space given and for the oncoming car traveling at a resonable speed.  So they proceded to make the turn, oblivious to the fact that the cop was going over 90 without lights and sirens.  You want to blame the teens driving?  Go ahead, all they did was take something for granted.  The fact is that the cop was speeding like hell, and didn't have lights and sirens on to alert others of his speed.  If they had been on, we woudln't even have this thread.  cop is at fault, end-of-story

This.

[j.h.christ]

look at some of these pigs responses.

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/

[Joseph Davis]

look at some of these pigs responses.

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/

Some of them are fucking cool.  Others need to auto-Darwinate.

[j.h.christ]

look at some of these pigs responses.

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1967030-Conn-officer-involved-in-fatal-crash-was-driving-94-mph/

Some of them are fucking cool.  Others need to auto-Darwinate.

regardless, they're all pigs by association. i'm a member of the forum, you should see the self righteous bullshit that spews from their cock holsters.

[Joseph Davis]

And you're signed up there because?

Yeah a lot of police officers are cockholsters.  What do you expect?  They do some dangerous shit work that generates stresses, stresses that most people aren't equipped to deal with.  I daresay, even in an America more to Johnny's liking where a large swath of personal choice isn't illegalized, there aren't enough people in America capable of dealing with those stresses to do that job - ASSuming that everyone who is capable of dealing wants to be a cop.

I don't mind if a police officer is doing 10-15 mph faster than average in not-rush-hour interstate traffic, nor do I mind if they want to wear the man pants when I get pulled over (control of the situation = their personal safety).  But.  I do see where you are coming from - there are a large number of officers in the past and still a significant percentage of them in the present who think they are wholly exempt from the law.  They need to understand that there are gross infractions for which they will have their balls nailled to a board over, like the one being discussed.

I like this officer's perspective:

Posted by elk1785 on Friday, November 20, 2009 03:45 PM Pacific  Report Abuse
 
Big difference between 10 mph over the limit and 54 mph over the limit. Most drivers (even us cops) do not look more than a few hundred feet ahead of our vehicle when driving in the city. Why do you think defensive driving courses make such a big deal about watching farther out in front of you, one course says 12 seconds. At 40 mph 12 seconds is about 700 feet. As my previous post indicated as the girls approached the intersection and would have been looking to see if it was clear to turn, the officer was almost a thousand feet away. Even an expereinced driver most likely would not have seen the officer until it was too late.

Please don't misunderstand, I am all for driving fast (much to the dismay of my GPS tracking chain of command.) However, you must understand that when speeds get that high you cannot expect other motorists to yield to you. Even if you have your lights and siren on you are outdriving your siren, and you are moving so fast that you simply cannot expect people to react appropriately. 

Basically, it is unreasonable to expect an experienced driver, much less two kids, to be able to judge the speed involved from over a thousand feet away (that's 1.5 football fields, kids) especially when as others have noted, Officer 94 mph might have been occluded by the other cruiser.

[Robb]

1.5 football fields is 180 yards.. or 540 feet (counting 3 endzones)

Maybe he was refering to (soccer) fields?   ;D