Topic: Ebay wastegates and 1600* egt's? (Read 9735 times)

NoPistons! · « **on:** December 17, 2009, 02:37:20 PM »

Can they handle it?

Aaron Cake · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:15:15 PM »

Sure.

brine04 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:49:23 PM »

What are you building that you are planning on running 1600* egt temps? But yes guys run them on diesels without issue and they commonly get to 1400*+

dvst8r · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:50:25 PM »

I have used one at 2000+ degrees, without issue. They Pyro stopped at 2000, but I am sure it was warmer then that.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:30:28 PM »

Just spray nitrous and watch your failure shit pop.

DRQPQUT · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:58:58 PM »

arsenio · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:56:54 PM »

my tial style is holding up fine.

NoPistons! · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2009, 03:10:16 AM »

Alrighty then. I'll consider it.

Anyone else having good luck?

I know the construction is pretty much the same but the materials used may not be up to par with turbonetics, hks or tial.......

Quote from: Joseph Davis on December 17, 2009, 06:30:28 PM

Just spray nitrous and watch your failure shit pop.

Or i could drop my pants and you can lick me where i shit? I shave and keep it clean. :yes:

HiProfile · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2009, 04:10:10 AM »

I got an ssauto 35mm cheap, decided to use it. Boost is a flatline with as low as 2psi, and so far as high as 18psi...same spring. EBC is nice.

I did have to replace the diaphragm since it was the old silicone style, the new one is the fabricy nomex stuff. I've also had to reduce the O.D. of the spring on another, since it bound inside the housing. I'd rather use a dsm BOV and a real tial than a fancy [real] type-S and fake 35mm though.

The heat isn't the issue, it's usually the poor seal around the valve stem that gets you or the diaphragm. W/O an EBC your boost will drop off as pressure leaks past the stem (open dump) or rise as backpressure seems in (restrictive/recirc dump).

BTW while I was searching for turbos, AGP has their own 38mm wastegate that's not full-CDM for $200.

NoPistons! · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2010, 05:24:47 AM »

I buy used hks/tial.

IIRC, i sold my old turbonetics 38mm to evans performance or whatever his name is.....

Fuck it. I'm not skimping or trying to cut corners wondering WHEN shit is going to break due to CUTTING CORNERS with bullshit from china cranked out of sweatshops to turn profit in a shit economy.....

d-rail · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2010, 06:31:59 AM »

your gay

Robb · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2010, 11:30:20 PM »

Quote from: NoPistons! on January 03, 2010, 05:24:47 AM

I buy used hks/tial.

IIRC, i sold my old turbonetics 38mm to evans performance or whatever his name is.....

Fuck it. I'm not skimping or trying to cut corners wondering WHEN shit is going to break due to CUTTING CORNERS with bullshit from china cranked out of sweatshops to turn profit in a shit economy.....

Cutting corners has nothing to do with it. Its going to break regardless.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2010, 11:34:01 PM »

+1

Hotrods always break, get over it or pick a hobby that's easier.

WPPF · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:43:32 PM »

Knitting

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2010, 03:54:03 PM »

Quote from: WPPF on January 04, 2010, 02:43:32 PM

Knitting

Knit pls

http://doctorwhoscarf.com/season12.php

NoPistons! · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2010, 03:00:40 AM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on January 04, 2010, 03:54:03 PM

Quote from: WPPF on January 04, 2010, 02:43:32 PM
Knitting

Knit pls

http://doctorwhoscarf.com/season12.php

I could poke an eye out!

Jdm bling unless china has stepped their game up.....

Yep, hot rods do break. Sometimes cheaping out on parts causes em to break faster. However, i'd rather shatter some fiberglass running off the track than shoot a rod through my oil pan because of a stuck wastegate as i'm bouncing off the rev limiter.

jeffsciv23 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 12, 2010, 03:21:10 AM »

no need for rods if you dont have pistons

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #17 on:** January 12, 2010, 08:32:37 AM »

lolololololololololol

Robb · « **Reply #18 on:** January 12, 2010, 09:56:26 AM »

What engine and why do you feel it will see 1600degrees? If your talking about a quick jaunt to that temp, I wouldnt worry. If your talking about road racing, you will have worse things to worry about than wastegates at that temp.

NoPistons! · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2010, 04:38:55 AM »

Yeppers.

Well rotor fail is leaving saturday.

I realize it does more harm than good to try to keep that shit in there and make any power on the reliable/peace of mind.

Rotary egt's get HOT. Retarded hot. Rotarded hot.

Nah, me and about 4 other guys (2 work on rotarys, the other is an s chassis guy) are going to figure this KA-T shit out in my rx7. I dont want to wire the swap up. They offered. Also offered to do my rear sump pan since i can not weld aluminum. not even with a mig.

Yeah. $3000 budget hmt style build, probably hmt style use and throw away china tools too.

So back in the game with egay gates i guess.

If i'm over 1400 degrees egt with a ka24det's and have a wastegate stick something is very wrong with tuning/timing/something fucked.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #20 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:33:24 AM »

You'll have good luck with a KA24DE. They are cheap and plentiful if anything goes wrong, and stock for stock hold a lot more power than SR20DET will.

Robb · « **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:36:36 AM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on January 13, 2010, 10:33:24 AM

You'll have good luck with a KA24DE. They are cheap and plentiful if anything goes wrong, and stock for stock hold a lot more power than SR20DET will.

+1

Worse for worse, you could rebuild 3 KA's for the price of a 13b rebuild.

turbob16hatch · « **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:04:03 PM »

Quote from: Robb on January 13, 2010, 10:36:36 AM

Quote from: Joseph Davis on January 13, 2010, 10:33:24 AM
You'll have good luck with a KA24DE. They are cheap and plentiful if anything goes wrong, and stock for stock hold a lot more power than SR20DET will.

+1

Worse for worse, you could rebuild 3 KA's for the price of a 13b rebuild.

where you buying rebuild parts? unless your talking total destruction rebuild.

I has seen a friend rebuild his 13b in front of me and it was the easiest looking thing ever, and cost around $400 in parts/seals. Took him maybe 45 min to finish it up. the hardest part was cleaning out the vasaline to get it to start.

Ran strong for about a year then he blew it up on 20+ psi on a gt42. (ran antilag alot) so...... they can be reliable. Just not when difter wannabe's try and mess with them.

Robb · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2010, 05:29:59 PM »

Quote from: turbob16hatch on January 13, 2010, 02:04:03 PM

Quote from: Robb on January 13, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: Joseph Davis on January 13, 2010, 10:33:24 AM
You'll have good luck with a KA24DE. They are cheap and plentiful if anything goes wrong, and stock for stock hold a lot more power than SR20DET will.

+1

Worse for worse, you could rebuild 3 KA's for the price of a 13b rebuild.

where you buying rebuild parts? unless your talking total destruction rebuild.

I has seen a friend rebuild his 13b in front of me and it was the easiest looking thing ever, and cost around $400 in parts/seals. Took him maybe 45 min to finish it up. the hardest part was cleaning out the vasaline to get it to start.

Ran strong for about a year then he blew it up on 20+ psi on a gt42. (ran antilag alot) so...... they can be reliable. Just not when difter wannabe's try and mess with them.

Disagree. How many rotaries are running around that could be rebuilt without new rotor housings? If you start with a good block and reseal it sure. But those are few and far between. When you do find a good motor, they are $$$.

Im far from a wannabe, and my motor was built by one of the best rotary guys on the east coast. There was nothing reliable about it, and I feel very comfortable in my hate for the wankel.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2010, 06:25:34 PM »

Quote from: Robb on January 13, 2010, 05:29:59 PM

Quote from: turbob16hatch on January 13, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
Quote from: Robb on January 13, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: Joseph Davis on January 13, 2010, 10:33:24 AM
You'll have good luck with a KA24DE. They are cheap and plentiful if anything goes wrong, and stock for stock hold a lot more power than SR20DET will.

+1

Worse for worse, you could rebuild 3 KA's for the price of a 13b rebuild.

where you buying rebuild parts? unless your talking total destruction rebuild.

I has seen a friend rebuild his 13b in front of me and it was the easiest looking thing ever, and cost around $400 in parts/seals. Took him maybe 45 min to finish it up. the hardest part was cleaning out the vasaline to get it to start.

Ran strong for about a year then he blew it up on 20+ psi on a gt42. (ran antilag alot) so...... they can be reliable. Just not when difter wannabe's try and mess with them.

Disagree. How many rotaries are running around that could be rebuilt without new rotor housings?

Steve Eckeritch bought all 1000 of the 13B's destined for North America that Mazda reproduced for racing use. He's hoarding that shit, and what he does sell goes for top dollar.

patsmx5 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2010, 06:28:28 PM »

Quote from: Robb on January 13, 2010, 05:29:59 PM

There was nothing reliable about it, and I feel very comfortable in my hate for the wankel.

This had me laughing pretty good.

NoPistons! · « **Reply #26 on:** January 14, 2010, 09:08:32 PM »

JD, thank you for agreeing and seeing the potential.

The chassis is pretty good and the KA is a solid engine. Definately outperforms the SR stock for stock. Ofcourse this is with a stock healthy rebuilt ka with the same turbo, injectors and boost as your basic japland sr junkyard engine.

I have respect for the high dollar turbo rotary builds that more dedication than MOST of us on this forum would be willing enough to go through but it's not something that's for me. Really. Especially for a daily driver.

KA-T and be done with it.

Although again, i'm stuck trying to figure more shit out and play the waiting game. I had a hell of a downer dropped on me yesterday.

patsmx5 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 14, 2010, 09:26:03 PM »

Put a small block in it.

Phate · « **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2010, 11:51:55 PM »

Quote from: patsmx5 on January 14, 2010, 09:26:03 PM

Put a small block in it.

And turbo it.

NoPistons! · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2010, 12:03:31 AM »

Quote from: patsmx5 on January 14, 2010, 09:26:03 PM

Put a small block in it.

No.

Can't afford potato potato.

LT1 almost made it's home in my car. Friend used an INSURANCE QUOTE to obtain a license plate, had marijuana in his car, got pulled doing burnouts in the middle of town, got his camaro inpounded, thrown in jail, fines out the ass. Had to sell his spare LT1 and T56. He was only charging me $400 for it too......

I gave up on it. I have no idea where he ended up either. Probably dead.

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