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Re: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
« Reply #150 on: December 25, 2009, 03:56:34 AM »



MItch is a solid... good friend.

cosigned, but i'd wager jd has more of those uncontrollable knowlegabilites. both mitch and mr davis know leaps and bounds more than i, so i'm done.

oh, and i found bisi's high school portrait:



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Re: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
« Reply #151 on: December 25, 2009, 03:59:05 AM »

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« Reply #152 on: December 25, 2009, 04:03:36 AM »

JD........

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  I hold the stock cam/head power record for a NA D16 - and it was my own car.  12.5:1, HX head, I made 138 whp and 125 wtq on 87 octane.

Gonna be close between your build and a Honda tuned HART motor, Doug and crew got 150 whp, octane unknown. You had HX head, they used Y8 head, both didn't do much tuning in part throttle area.


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« Reply #153 on: December 25, 2009, 04:06:36 AM »

Having seen the SBC Chevy style ports on the F22, I can see it making 700 whp, but the D, what a stretch.

Yes, I'm a Bisi fanboi but it just doesn't add up.

Per Bisi's suggestion I did check out F22 SOHC exhaust ports, same size as a SBC!!!!

WTF........THAT motor needs more work IMHO I thought at the time!
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« Reply #155 on: December 25, 2009, 04:10:41 AM »

Yup its known that the F22Ax heads not only have good ex ports, but the intaske ports are retarded and have great geometry too...

The F22Bx flow like shit
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« Reply #156 on: December 25, 2009, 04:31:13 AM »

F22A made into a V8?

Seems the ports are SBC size but larger valve face area.......call it a 1/2 ZR-1 Honda????
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« Reply #157 on: December 25, 2009, 04:32:12 AM »

Yup its known that the F22Ax heads not only have good ex ports, but the intaske ports are retarded and have great geometry too...

The F22Bx flow like shit

Yup.  No idea why honda would throw away a design that good.  Any idea if there were any OBD2 F22A's?  Supposedly the 96 F22 powered preludes had them, but I'm not sure if honda just dropped a B2 in it instead.
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« Reply #158 on: December 25, 2009, 04:42:52 AM »

Preludes indeed had the Ax variant

The Ax heads are all the same casting IIRC

F22A1: 125 hp (93.21 4 kW) @ 5200 rpm. NOTE* The 1992-1996 Prelude S had a F22A1 but because of a different more aggressively tuned ECU (P12), the power output was 135 hp (101 kW).
 
F22A4: 130 hp (96.94 kW) @ 5200 rpm. The F22A4 is the same motor as the F22A1 but it has slightly more power due to a tubular designed header and slightly bigger exhaust piping.

F22A6: 140 hp (104.40 kW) @ 5600 rpm. The F22A6 is the same as the F22A1 except for a slightly more aggressive camshaft, a better flowing cast exhaust manifold, a different more aggressively tuned ECU (PT6), and a different intake manifold that utilizes IAB's and also has a bigger plenum. The F22A6 also has a windage tray in the oil pan, and stiffer valve springs to accommodate the more aggressive camshaft.

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« Reply #159 on: December 25, 2009, 05:02:27 AM »

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Regardless of material thickness, it has the same specific heat,

well i dont know "alot" about building super high hp engines but, i can tell you one thing, you cant change the mass of anything without changing its heat capacity. who ever this guy is, he is fucking dumb. for starters, he just stated the obvious and called it an argument. no shit one chunk of stainless will absorb the same heat per pound as another chunk whether or not it has the same mass. congratulation dunb ass, you know more than a fourth grader.

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and while you'd think a thicker walled tube would dissipate temperature more, it has more mass to retain temperature as well. 

and right here he clearly states that the overall heat capacity has increased, apparently blowing a hole in his own fucking argument thats really a statement that dosent apply to the argument. and since a mass dosnt retain temperature :?: it only retains heat. you could say, the extra mass is more resistant to a change in temperature, and sound much less retarded. the simple math in this problem says that if two masses have the same specific heat but have different weights (mass) the heat required to increase the temp of the smaller mass one degree is less than the heat required to increase the temp of  the larger mass one degree. this guy has no idea what the fuck hes talking about. also, the thin shit has more relative surface area (area per unit mass) so it requires less heat input per degree of temp rise (because of the smaller mass) and it absorbs that heat more efficiently (because of more area per unit mass). this is why pipes are thick and tubes are thin because most pipe standards go back to the steam heating industry. the thicker the pipe the more resistant it is to a change in temp. most OEMs use a cast manifold for exactly this reason.   

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Being a chemical engineer, I'm sure Bisi could explain the thermodynamic principles behind it easily.  But I doubt you, or many other people, would understand it enough for him to bother.

from wiki:
Specific heat capacity, often shortened to specific heat, is the measure of the heat energy required to increase the temperature of a unit quantity of a substance by a unit of temperature. For example, the heat energy required to raise water’s temperature one kelvin (equal to one degree Celsius) is 4186 joules per kilogram

^seems simple enough to me^
in fact this is something any welder can tell you, (an HVAC tech could it explain thoroughly) nobody needs bisi's "advanced explanation" to understand it. if you have a 1 gallon bucket of water on a burner that set to 9 and a 3 gallon bucket of water on the same burner set to 9. it will take three times longer to boil the 3 gallon bucket even if they have the same specific heat. this numb nuts is saying it dosnt matter how much water is in the bucket, it only matters that both buckets contain water. WTF!

bisi could end all this by just posting a dyno chart but he wont because he dosnt have one. he would rather argue over trival items and try to tell people the earth is flat, and he invented the earth anyway, so "your" point of view on the subject is worthless. same reason he dosnt advertise cam specs or anything else. yes there are people who make bad cam decisions based on lift and duration only and all sort of bad information floating around about cars in general. but thats who bisi is, he dosnt care that his customers are stupid and lack mental tooling to ever be happy with his products. i've been doing this shit for awhile, nothing is ever cut and dry. all this guy realy has is his name and he just puts his name on a webb camshaft and calls it a day (fagot), and then dosent give out the timing cards WTF! besides all this, i know pipe headers dont glow anyway. unless you give it the coals with timing looking up at you for like half an hour. f1 headers glow red and they dont even have a turbo. noslo's log header was dull red but there was alot of shit wrong at the time and its not stainless.

in the 80's when they finally gave up on the offy (by "they" i mean the entire indy racing/engineering/sponsor/team manager community) it was making 800 hp from a ~2.6L DOHC inline four running at 40psi on methanol fuel. if i were bisi, i would forgive people for being sceptical, when i dont have a dyno chart and i tell them i've made a significant improvement.

and who ever the fuck mndude07;2356566 is... he should whack himself in the nuts with a rubber mallet, because this guy is nothing but a tool made from inferior genetic material.
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« Reply #160 on: December 25, 2009, 05:17:59 AM »

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« Reply #161 on: December 25, 2009, 06:04:05 AM »

icic, i figured out how to search made threads, still couldnt find a car or pics though
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« Reply #162 on: December 25, 2009, 06:27:41 AM »

I was curious if JD has a modified car aswell, couldnt find any build logs or anything for anything he actually owned.

Just curious

Are you an idiot? There is literally no logical way to learn what he has and NOT ever own a car that you have done work to.  :'(
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« Reply #164 on: December 25, 2009, 03:21:29 PM »

Are you an idiot? There is literally no logical way to learn what he has and NOT ever own a car that you have done work to.  :'(

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« Reply #165 on: December 25, 2009, 03:40:57 PM »

I was curious if JD has a modified car aswell, couldnt find any build logs or anything for anything he actually owned.

Just curious

Are you an idiot? There is literally no logical way to learn what he has and NOT ever own a car that you have done work to.  :'(

just because JD has never footed the bill for a high horsepower build does not mean he doesnt have the ability to build said car with a blank check. id say hes had a hand in building/tuning enough fast cars that he has enough credibility on the subject.
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« Reply #166 on: December 25, 2009, 05:19:13 PM »

I like NocK He's a good Newb.
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« Reply #168 on: December 25, 2009, 10:42:57 PM »

i really dont care other than every time i go to the store and open up a import tuner fag mag, and they have some new editor (anymore, thats about every 2 months) theres a new mad scientist honda racing genius named "bisimoto" or some other self promoting fagot thats been around longer then he has. and there he is, in a fagot ass lab coat, holding one of... what ever the fuck he selling, and all manner of laboratory looking shit around him, and toolbox with a bunch of test tubes and shit on it. im just tired of seeing the same stupid ass shit over and over again. i realize that most of there readership dosent remember a time when michael jackson didnt suck, and has a 1mm attention span. and so they dont even know that bisi been doing this shit for like 17 years.

all these fagots do the same shit "i've changed the import racing world... again" but then they never say in what way, or how, or even why. all they say is buy (insert poorly engineered application specific product here) before somebody else dose. and what really pisses me off is most of this shit is just crap or copies of stuff thats not crap (webb cams) but yet it has some, take it to the bank, black ninja, we could sell puppie chow to the olive garden, million dollar marketing firm behind it. they dont give a shit if it works only that you buy it. if they did care, they would have spent less on marketing.
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« Reply #169 on: December 25, 2009, 10:45:49 PM »

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« Reply #170 on: December 26, 2009, 12:26:21 AM »

Bisi has leaked the dyno graph.............


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« Reply #171 on: December 26, 2009, 12:30:40 AM »

im not claiming to be Gods fucking gift to hondas, i didnt tune my car.. Dave did..why because hes better at it than i... i could have done it but not nearly as quick as he...

Congrats on being a internet record holder.. fuck you and all your little gay ass records you made 138whp good fucking job... your conversations with spiker consist of back and forth gay comments i know how they go.. you think you know everything perhaps your better with words than i am but remember that YOU have blown this way out of the water i get what you and all your nut swings are saying but its certinally not impossible to make 7 on  meth. It works just as well as race gas in my situation with substantaly cooler IATs and im not evern running a serious or elaborate methanol setup..

You have yet to do this, base it off your knowledge trips, phone fuck spiker,  and fuck yourself

I also never disrespected you until you mouthed off like a 16 year old. eat my anus
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« Reply #172 on: December 26, 2009, 12:38:37 AM »

i get what you and all your nut swings are saying but its certinally not impossible to make 7 on  meth.

It is on a D16.  Unless you mean straight methanol, no pumpgas.  Still dodgy, alcohols are volatile when taken to the limit which is why big boys run gas.

It works just as well as race gas in my situation

No, actually, if it's a 50/50 mix with water it's a 15% increase in knock limit.  That's less than 50 whp in a D-series application.

PS you're a fool.

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« Reply #174 on: December 26, 2009, 12:46:10 AM »

you take everything i say and run off with it...

ANd it did work just as well as race gas in my situation i was there reading plugs with Dave same timing and about the same amount of leg room before detonation... but i guess you knew that

Does this make you feel better... JD you know more than me? is that what this is all about?

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« Reply #176 on: December 26, 2009, 12:58:31 AM »

flat-black, I think JD is trying to inform you that there are much more limiting factors to a D16 making 700whp than just octane alone. Although when not running sufficient octane, such as the case of running pump w/ a band-aid, overcoming those boundaries are damn near impossible to achieve.

At least, that's what I got out of it. Your 2.2L doesn't have nearly the obstacles to overcome to make that kind of power. Its apples and oranges and you're trying to say they taste the same.
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« Reply #177 on: December 26, 2009, 01:01:37 AM »

No, it's your assertion that a D16 can make 700 whp off of pump gas and water/meth, despite the fact you've built none tuned none and have no idea how fucking ALIEN they are compared to an 87mm bore 2.2 liter.  You are widebodying things up arguing about things you do not know about.

You never saw commonplace 400+ whp D16 until the advent of 7.5:1 Vitara pistons (much less Bisi's "ideal" 9:1), and now retards are having motors make decent power and hold together - on race gas.  The ceiling here is a lot lower than 700 whp faggot Dynojet numbers despite the high esteem you hold water/meth in.  Have you read any of the engineering literature on the stuff?  Sorry princess, it's not racegas.

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« Reply #178 on: December 26, 2009, 01:10:11 AM »

No, it's your assertion that a D16 can make 700 whp off of pump gas and water/meth, despite the fact you've built none tuned none and have no idea how fucking ALIEN they are compared to an 87mm bore 2.2 liter.  You are widebodying things up arguing about things you do not know about.

You never saw commonplace 400+ whp D16 until the advent of 7.5:1 Vitara pistons (much less Bisi's "ideal" 9:1), and now retards are having motors make decent power and hold together - on race gas.  The ceiling here is a lot lower than 700 whp faggot Dynapack numbers despite the high esteem you hold water/meth in.  Have you read any of the engineering literature on the stuff?  Sorry princess, it's not racegas.
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« Reply #179 on: December 26, 2009, 01:23:25 AM »

i understand, but when D16's are making the same power i am (you too spiker) with a slightly smaller turbo and same amount of boost pressure, on viataras what gives... i GET the inefficences and the limits of the D16's... but WHO has done it... minus the speculation?? nobody! i know meth isnt as good as race gas i was on the fence about trying to get 700 on my H... i personally wouldnt wanna try it on a D series but im not gonna sit here and make a 7 page thread saying it cant be done... not with what ive been seeing as of lately... IM not as up on things as you JD but you know what... you dont know either and to say you do is bullshit

Not to mention i have built quite a few engines most performance some not ive tuned a few im by no means a Genuis nor do i claim it... so dont go speculating about things you arent certin of altho you seem pretty good at it
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