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General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: NoPistons! on January 12, 2010, 12:43:27 AM

Title: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 12, 2010, 12:43:27 AM
Just pull my washing machine/dryer from the wall and run an extention cord?

Going to borrow a mig from a friend so i can do mounts and shit for my piston powered rx7 to piss rx7 club off......  Well, pretty much to have a cool chassis around a motor that makes some fucking torque.......


Yes.  I've seen the light.  Fuck a rotary.  I'm probably using 1/8"/3/16" plate and some box tubing to weld the stock KA engine mount brackets to some hacked up 13b subframe  mounts.   Reinforced with the box tubing and plate......

Need to know because there's no point in getting my parts car dropped off at my house if i can't do the job at my house.

220v ac is what our shit to wash our clothes runs off of iirc so i should be all good?   Could i get away with 110v flux core?
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: brine04 on January 12, 2010, 12:51:11 AM
yeah plug into your dryer or stove. You can also wire it into your fuse panel for darwin goodness.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: dvst8r on January 12, 2010, 01:06:44 AM
yeah plug into your dryer or stove. You can also wire it into your fuse panel for darwin goodness.

It is not that Darwin... :P
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 12, 2010, 01:44:56 AM
2 for 2 i could do this really close to my house with the engine bay fuel lines uncapped.....

Would make a hell of a www.darwinawards.com (http://) story.  Murphy's motherfucking law.

Alright, washer/dryer 220v socket ok yes?

THE SOCKET.  Smartasses.....
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: SgtB on January 12, 2010, 02:38:48 AM
There are different styles. Draw a picture, go to fucking HD.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: t_cel_t on January 12, 2010, 03:02:47 AM
most welders can run off of 110 im pretty sure, you just have to double your power settings
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: 7808 on January 12, 2010, 05:10:35 AM
he probly doesnt want to cut up his friends cord on his nic,e welder thought, unless he made an adapter...

most welders take a socket that looks like a standard outlet but much larger,  2 parallel blades one is larger, and a ground below/above

some dryer ones have a up and down blade and side ways blade or other wierd shit

its differnt depending on the amps the circuit is rated for i think

you can probly go buy a receptical for the welder cut power to the dryer and swap it out while u use it.  dont kill your self dont even do it if your not familiar with high voltage wiring
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: brine04 on January 12, 2010, 12:42:20 PM
you don't need a plug. Just strip the insulation off the extension cord and plug the wires into the holes. Like this
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Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: CSaddict on January 12, 2010, 06:30:18 PM
you don't need a plug. Just strip the insulation off the extension cord and plug the wires into the holes. Like this
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Sweet!! Safety First!  Hope you rent.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: dvst8r on January 12, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
you don't need a plug. Just strip the insulation off the extension cord and plug the wires into the holes. Like this
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Sweet!! Safety First!  Hope you rent.

LOL, well it was rented, but I rented it from my folks. So if it would have burned down I might as well have owned it... Did it lots of times never had an issue.  :mexi:
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: j.h.christ on January 12, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
you don't need a plug. Just strip the insulation off the extension cord and plug the wires into the holes. Like this
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FRONT PAGE
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: crxvtec91 on January 12, 2010, 11:27:54 PM
Oh fuck now thats bad, as in not safe......
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: 7808 on January 12, 2010, 11:54:09 PM
thats really not even that dangerous, whats gona happen?  wires gona fall out and you stop welding?
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: dvst8r on January 12, 2010, 11:59:13 PM
thats really not even that dangerous, whats gona happen?  wires gona fall out and you stop welding?

The wire actually held in there pretty good, I was impressed. Not gonna lie I have done it since then. There is a member on this board, that has an aluminum BOV flange tig'd on to his charge pipe that I used that.  :D
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 13, 2010, 04:11:53 AM
This is the type of shit i like to see.

Home fucking made ghetto fabulous.

Yeah, i'm not an electrician, which is why i asked.

I know positive, negative and ground.

I also know what i'll be welding will be close to a 1/4" thick so i dont think a 110 will cut it. 

So i could swap the 220v male plug for a 110v male plug on the machine and be good to go pretty much or is that too much current going through much resistance?

Fuck.  Sorting through google is fucking lame.   I've ran alot of shit off a single 110v socket so yeah, it should work fine, right?   


I dunno.  My friend has his washer/dryer shit running off 110 power.  Hardwired OUTDOORS at that.  If his dodgey wiring works out then me switching a plug on a machine.......  Whatever.  Just yay or nay on that shit?   I'm not ripping the wall socket out and hard wiring shit if i dont have to.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 13, 2010, 04:21:05 AM
I think i may have to tap into the dryer socket, like it or not or find a friend who's an electrician to help me out.  Really, i do not want to get zapped or light shit on fire that i dont want on fire.....


Running a 220v machine off a 110v outlet will fuck it up from what i'm reading....not that i believe EVERYTHING i read on the internet.  Just seems to be the common thing i'm finding.

This is the cheap china piece of shit i'm doing my motor mounts and tranny mounts with.  If it lasts though that without burning out.....and i'll be surprised, it's paid for itself.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Clarke-190EN-Mig-Fluxcore-Welder-220V-Gas-No-Gas_W0QQitemZ310191101143QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Welders?hash=item4838d494d7#ht_630wt_940 (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Clarke-190EN-Mig-Fluxcore-Welder-220V-Gas-No-Gas_W0QQitemZ310191101143QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Welders?hash=item4838d494d7#ht_630wt_940)
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: caged on January 13, 2010, 04:43:01 AM
We have all  240v through the whole house, I just assumed the rest of the world did too. apparantly not lol ??? 
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 13, 2010, 04:58:01 AM
Ok.

Here's what i've read.

It's the amps that matter, not the volts.


I have 2 60 amp breakers, 2 40 amp breakers and the rest are 20/15 amp......  No outlets on a 30 amp breaker even remotely close to where i'd like them to be......

Reading that, something would definately fuck up trying to draw that much current (especially on a high duty cycle welder) on a 110v socket wired to a 20 amp breaker.  I'm calling an electrician and getting ready for butt rape fees.

Some things i find are NOT DIY.  I could cut power but i dont trust the asshat that built the house.


Edit:  No wonder my fucking bathroom and kitchen lights keep blowing. *angry face*


Here's the jank i need to make. 

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No way that's 1/4" thick.....  Not even close.


It's been holding up fine on his car.  Pretty much stock engine brackets welded to the rotary engine mounts.  There is no added shit there. 

That and a tranny mount doesn't have to be cock diesel in a car not expected to EVER make over 350wtq?

I have problems.  Upstairs problems.  Well aware of that.

Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Kain on January 13, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
wtf are you doing?
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 13, 2010, 04:09:46 PM
Doing one more thing for people to talk shit about......

I like drifting.  1 strike against me.

I'm putting a piston engine in a rotary car.  2 strikes

Talking to my landlord trying to figure out how the fuck we're going to fix this problem.  probably 3 strike.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Corey on January 13, 2010, 08:44:32 PM
just go to home depot and get some 10/3 or 8/3 wire, get a male plug that fits your washer/dryer/stove and get a female outlet that fits the welder plug. make extension cord and weld away. think of it as a jumper harness for an obd0 honda. the welders plug and your appliances have diff plugs.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Hotrodlincoln on January 13, 2010, 09:10:25 PM
just go to home depot and get some 10/3 or 8/3 wire, get a male plug that fits your washer/dryer/stove and get a female outlet that fits the welder plug. make extension cord and weld away. think of it as a jumper harness for an obd0 honda. the welders plug and your appliances have diff plugs.
This 
my brothers been building demo derby cars this way for years and he has a big lincoln welder.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: SgtB on January 14, 2010, 04:40:12 AM
Red and black are hot, green is ground.  Show me your dryer socket and the welder plug and I'll draw you a diagram.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on January 14, 2010, 08:01:25 PM
COREY, YOU ARE THE FUCKING MAN!

Straight up.

I thought green, and red were hot and black was the ground.

I'll pull the shit out when my welder gets here and i get some gas and take pics.  It should be sometime towards the end of the month when uncle sam gives me the $3000 i'm entitled to.   

Kain, you should be excited.  Town told me i COULD NOT do this after i asked my landlord if i could run my shit under the house and have an outside outlet.  He told me "get ready to pay a $2500 fine and additional fines every 15 days you have that car on the property.  New town ordinance.  I can get the motor but i can't have my car on jackstands overnight.....which really fucking slows some shit down.  I'm stuck with the timebomb.....for now.  The rotary WILL not win.

I'm still getting my fucking welder though.  The city and my landlord haven't said shit about me welding in my front yard. 
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: trevor72 on January 21, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
diagram - this is what mine looks like

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Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: 1fasthf on January 21, 2010, 08:51:42 PM
^^^front page^^^^ i love this site
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: 7808 on January 24, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
diagram - this is what mine looks like

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shit i recognize that floor, i just installed 600sq ft of that shit in my house lol
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Joseph Davis on January 28, 2010, 04:48:05 AM
Doing one more thing for people to talk shit about......

I like drifting.  1 strike against me.

I'm putting a piston engine in a rotary car.  2 strikes

More like:

Drifting -1
Piston conversion on an RX7 +2
------------------------------------------------
Current total +1


You're doing okay so far, carry on.

Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: SgtB on January 29, 2010, 12:59:46 AM
Watch it sticking wires in sockets like that. We refer to that as a hot spot. It's a giant resistor and can possibly melt the socket.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: gsx750r93 on February 02, 2010, 08:54:28 PM


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[/quote] shit i recognize that floor, i just installed 600sq ft of that shit in my house lol
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I would not do it like this... If one of those legs were to fall out then there is a good chance you could fry your welder. Just go buy a 220v cord cap from home depot. Its easy to install and take only 5 min of your time.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: NoPistons! on February 27, 2010, 06:59:58 AM
JD, comming from you that means alot.

May is when i'm going up to NY to pick up all my shit so i have to set aside money for my shop building now........


I got a hobart handler 220v and an auto darkening helmet since my ex broke my old one....fucking whore.


I recently made a friend at work who is an electriction so it looks like everything will happen as planned....just really fucking slow and i'm impatient.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Joseph Davis on February 27, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
I only bust your onions because you are young and excitable, and you get all excited about some bandwagon shit that's expensive and ultimately unrewarding.  Here you're taking some stuff you have laying around and making it work in a solid chassis, which is the exact spirit of this site.  I realise that you might be getting it, and my heart swells with pride to have you here.

Bitch.
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: hotrex on February 28, 2010, 05:27:03 PM
just get 4 of your closest friends.  have em hold hands. guy on the plug end shoves 3 fingers into the outlet, guy on the welder end puts the plug for the welder in his mouth,   commence welding
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Foowee on March 01, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
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 :noel:
Title: Re: 220v mig power source?
Post by: Joseph Davis on March 01, 2010, 11:03:48 AM
50 amp?