:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: SQ is the SQUAD on June 08, 2010, 11:27:18 PM
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ok the chasis is an 89 accord coupe. swapping in a turbo ls setup. going all out 700whp goal. i am starting to gather parts to put together the fuel system first. trying to decided if i want to run an external pump with my brand new gas tank sumped. this isent going to be a daily driver but i will hit the streets with it. a few years ago i brought a new gas tank that has been sitting here. i just really dont want to use any of the old accord stuff. i really dont know much about external pumps.
i am thjinking with going with a gt40, as far as injectors obvioussly 1000cc + i might run with 1600's just to be on the safe side.
imput please
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First off, what fuel? If E85, you're going to need about 2000cc's worth of injector. 1000's start to max out around 600-650 on E85. And that's with a capable pump setup.
But dual Bosch 044 pumps, your choice of injectors, an adjustable fpr capable of 100psi+ base pressure and some upgraded feed and return lines. That will be enough for your goals.
Why a gt40? With the various new turbos out, I don't see why not to run them. Look into Precision and some new BorgWarner stuff.
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i was looking at a borg warner the other day.
honestly i dont know much about e85, i am hoping to run some 110.
my inital thoughs are to sump the tank with an external pump. run all new feed and return lines. not sure what size to go on the lines.
the only things i am really solid on and prob sending my head to rlz and having rockmotorsport do the cams/valvetrain. other than that everything motor/turbo wise is still up on the air. i am def going non vtec. already have the p8r head.
but right now iam just focusing on getting a rolling chasis wired up obd1 and a sustainable fuel system
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2726790 (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2726790)
I'm sure this link will be censored, but it's your answer.
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i was looking at a borg warner the other day.
honestly i dont know much about e85, i am hoping to run some 110.
my inital thoughs are to sump the tank with an external pump. run all new feed and return lines. not sure what size to go on the lines.
the only things i am really solid on and prob sending my head to rlz and having rockmotorsport do the cams/valvetrain. other than that everything motor/turbo wise is still up on the air. i am def going non vtec. already have the p8r head.
but right now iam just focusing on getting a rolling chasis wired up obd1 and a sustainable fuel system
700hp non vtec. I like :noel:
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Used A1000. Be intelligent about sourcing your fuel line or it'll break you. Get FIC900's from Sewell.
You can get S400 flavors with T4 flanges for a VERY nice price, start looking around.
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First off, what fuel? If E85, you're going to need about 2000cc's worth of injector. 1000's start to max out around 600-650 on E85. And that's with a capable pump setup.
But dual Bosch 044 pumps, your choice of injectors, an adjustable fpr capable of 100psi+ base pressure and some upgraded feed and return lines. That will be enough for your goals.
Why a gt40? With the various new turbos out, I don't see why not to run them. Look into Precision and some new BorgWarner stuff.
i was out of fuel on 1000's at 525 wheel on e85. 40 something base pressure.
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First off, what fuel? If E85, you're going to need about 2000cc's worth of injector. 1000's start to max out around 600-650 on E85. And that's with a capable pump setup.
But dual Bosch 044 pumps, your choice of injectors, an adjustable fpr capable of 100psi+ base pressure and some upgraded feed and return lines. That will be enough for your goals.
Why a gt40? With the various new turbos out, I don't see why not to run them. Look into Precision and some new BorgWarner stuff.
i was out of fuel on 1000's at 525 wheel on e85. 40 something base pressure.
1000s (precisions) can be ran to about 60 PSI base. Would have gotten you VERY close to 600
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I think a 6262 would be good on this motor. If not, then I'm sure any 67mm turbo will do the job.
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First off, what fuel? If E85, you're going to need about 2000cc's worth of injector. 1000's start to max out around 600-650 on E85. And that's with a capable pump setup.
But dual Bosch 044 pumps, your choice of injectors, an adjustable fpr capable of 100psi+ base pressure and some upgraded feed and return lines. That will be enough for your goals.
Why a gt40? With the various new turbos out, I don't see why not to run them. Look into Precision and some new BorgWarner stuff.
i was out of fuel on 1000's at 525 wheel on e85. 40 something base pressure.
1000s (precisions) can be ran to about 60 PSI base. Would have gotten you VERY close to 600
You can run them at 40 psi base and get the same peak power out of them.
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First off, what fuel? If E85, you're going to need about 2000cc's worth of injector. 1000's start to max out around 600-650 on E85. And that's with a capable pump setup.
But dual Bosch 044 pumps, your choice of injectors, an adjustable fpr capable of 100psi+ base pressure and some upgraded feed and return lines. That will be enough for your goals.
Why a gt40? With the various new turbos out, I don't see why not to run them. Look into Precision and some new BorgWarner stuff.
i was out of fuel on 1000's at 525 wheel on e85. 40 something base pressure.
1000s (precisions) can be ran to about 60 PSI base. Would have gotten you VERY close to 600
You can run them at 40 psi base and get the same peak power out of them.
I was able to make more power on the 17 PSI bump... Just sayon, dyno dont lie son
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First off, what fuel? If E85, you're going to need about 2000cc's worth of injector. 1000's start to max out around 600-650 on E85. And that's with a capable pump setup.
But dual Bosch 044 pumps, your choice of injectors, an adjustable fpr capable of 100psi+ base pressure and some upgraded feed and return lines. That will be enough for your goals.
Why a gt40? With the various new turbos out, I don't see why not to run them. Look into Precision and some new BorgWarner stuff.
i was out of fuel on 1000's at 525 wheel on e85. 40 something base pressure.
1000s (precisions) can be ran to about 60 PSI base. Would have gotten you VERY close to 600
You can run them at 40 psi base and get the same peak power out of them.
I was able to make more power on the 17 PSI bump... Just sayon, dyno dont lie son
Maybe you got lucky, because going from 40 to 60 psi base netted exactly no peak gains on the dyno @ low 700 whp. It just required me to completely retune the fuel maps.
Car had A1000, big power and ground wiring run to it, and -8 feed line. Maybe there's some subtle quirk that isn't readily obvious in one of these setups, but I'm not seeing it offhand.
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I agree i got a lil lucky, but it really didnt allow for MUCH power at all thy were definately close to DONE... , and as you are aware, I was right at the point to where I was experiencing EXACTLY what youre talking about with regards to the increased base actually causing the entire map out of boost to go lean (when turning it up above 57 ish PSI)due to a shitty injector core and having to fuck with it... Thats not mentioning how rich I had to idle them to get it not to lean pop.
hence uncle toms hookup and your baldnoggin/hotrex shipping of the 4 BAR I should have early next week.
O0
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the 4 BAR I should have early next week.
LOL, you really think I shipped that?
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2726790 (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2726790)
I'm sure this link will be censored, but it's your answer.
FUCK you this is rhmt we dont censor shit unless its gay or we want to miss with someone :noel:
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the 4 BAR I should have early next week.
LOL, you really think I shipped that?
Si
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You should try and make 550-6 before attempting to hit 7.
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You should try and make 550-6 before attempting to hit 7.
shut up slant eye
anyways, i went and picked up a brand new fuel tank i had at my moms house. looking at some sump kits on jegs, summit and ebay. i seen them in between 45-70 shipped.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fuel-Tank-Sump-1-2-in-3-8-in-NPT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2ead37c58aQQitemZ200474609034QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fuel-Tank-Sump-1-2-in-3-8-in-NPT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2ead37c58aQQitemZ200474609034QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
i want to have the pump sumped and start sourcing out some line then get the pump, rail and regulator.
i think i might go with the a1000. can someone link me up to the bosch dual set up.
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I like my dual bosch's, but they are pretty loud. I can hear them over the sound of my 4" open downpipe while cruising down the highway. 2nd thing: build your own sump with $4 worth of spare stainless and weld the appropriate amount of bungs onto it. Saves you from having to buy those gay npt-AN adapters, and you can customize it to fit your tank. The sump in your link looks like it would be a bitch to put on because of how wide it is. Stock gas tank is not flat!
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yeah, i might just have someone local sump it for me. i was looing at the ridges on the bottom of the tank. i dont have a welder so i cant really do it my self. if i go with the a1000 pump will i need to weld 2 -10am bungs on a custom sump?
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I don't see why you'd need more than 1, and realistically -8an would probably be more than enough.
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i really dont know nothing thats why i am asking. all the other sumps ive seen have two. i figured they where for dual pumps. ill go with the -10 just to be on the safe side.
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I hope you have a shed full of transmissions!
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I predict fail.... Its pretty silly that people just go straight for something like 700.... ANYONE can make 550-6 ... pretty reliably, but to get to 7 (and have the car stay in one piece een for a minute) takes another level of considerations.... Regardless of chassis
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ok, like said anyone can make 500, so why would i shoot for 500, then have to re do half my shit cuz its inadiqute for 700? i am talking about a fueling system that can hold up to 700 for gods sake.
i am not saying i am going to crak her up and hit 700 right out the gate. i just want to put together a system capable of handling such power. is that a bad thing?
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Some thoughts.
I've hit knock limit before 700 on Torco 110. General consensus in my circle is that it's a crap fuel, just keep your eyes open when turning up the wick.
Also, why the hell do you have to weld on the goddamn tank, or worry if the bottom of said tank is smooth? Clean it, cut it, slather the sump flange with gas tank repair sealant, pop rivet that bith in place. Retain stock hanger so your gas gauge works, profit.
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I predict fail.... Its pretty silly that people just go straight for something like 700.... ANYONE can make 550-6 ... pretty reliably, but to get to 7 (and have the car stay in one piece een for a minute) takes another level of considerations.... Regardless of chassis
Fatman is right you dirty cottonpickin coon. Listen to the fat man, he knows what hes talking about. Stupid nigGER FUCKER YOUl.
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ok, like said anyone can make 500, so why would i shoot for 500, then have to re do half my shit cuz its inadiqute for 700? i am talking about a fueling system that can hold up to 700 for gods sake.
i am not saying i am going to crak her up and hit 700 right out the gate. i just want to put together a system capable of handling such power. is that a bad thing?
I don't think you have ANY idea of what you're getting yourself into with the goal you have implied you are aiming for.Its alot more than just having fuel for a huge turbo....
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ok, like said anyone can make 500, so why would i shoot for 500, then have to re do half my shit cuz its inadiqute for 700? i am talking about a fueling system that can hold up to 700 for gods sake.
i am not saying i am going to crak her up and hit 700 right out the gate. i just want to put together a system capable of handling such power. is that a bad thing?
I don't think you have ANY idea of what you're getting yourself into with the goal you have implied you are aiming for.Its alot more than just having fuel for a huge turbo....
I just hear the sound of trans dieing :noel:
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ok, like said anyone can make 500, so why would i shoot for 500, then have to re do half my shit cuz its inadiqute for 700? i am talking about a fueling system that can hold up to 700 for gods sake.
i am not saying i am going to crak her up and hit 700 right out the gate. i just want to put together a system capable of handling such power. is that a bad thing?
I don't think you have ANY idea of what you're getting yourself into with the goal you have implied you are aiming for.Its alot more than just having fuel for a huge turbo....
the problem is your first three words. i have lots of ideas, and i am setting a goal and shooting for it. there are at least 4 700+ whp civc in my neighborhood alone. i know alot of what goes into it. this isent my first build. ill admit, i dont to too much turbo shit. it may of been out of your grasp to get to 700, trust me i got this
scotti, shut up you slant eye gook whore bitch ass trick mothe rfucker. wtf have u ever built me worth spitting on faggot. go back and finish trolling gd
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Im hoping to break 200 in my red crx
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scotti, shut up you slant eye gook whore bitch ass trick mothe rfucker. wtf have u ever built me worth spitting on faggot. go back and finish trolling gd
Well done
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it takes big balls and deeeeeeep pockets to make 650+ and have it still drive after the weekend is over....
i woldnt even worry about the 2 044s or the a1000 to pump the fuel you will need or the 1k$ ID2ks your going to need but more the 5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need. but other then that it sounds just like you know what your doing ::)
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5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
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5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
i would have love to go karting but i got no invite >:( can you make 700 on a stock tranny? yes but unless its in a sub 1000lbs car and is spining and not hooking at all in any gear the shafts will pull apart and the tranny will blow up.... i cuff will help but not fix the problem.if you put the car on slicks the case will shaster.
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5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
i would have love to go karting but i got no invite >:( can you make 700 on a stock tranny? yes but unless its in a sub 1000lbs car and is spining and not hooking at all in any gear the shafts will pull apart and the tranny will blow up.... i cuff will help but not fix the problem.if you put the car on slicks the case will shaster.
but i would love to be proven worng and provided with info so my tranny will make it longer then a weekend.
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5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
i would have love to go karting but i got no invite >:( can you make 700 on a stock tranny? yes but unless its in a sub 1000lbs car and is spining and not hooking at all in any gear the shafts will pull apart and the tranny will blow up.... i cuff will help but not fix the problem.if you put the car on slicks the case will shaster.
Naw, dog, the existing gear cuffs are just designed wrong. That, and you paint the stock bellhousing a half inch thick with Devcon epoxy and it's too resilient to break.
Don't tell anyone, keep it quiet.
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you got all the OG secrets... tell me more :yes:
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5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
i would have love to go karting but i got no invite >:( can you make 700 on a stock tranny? yes but unless its in a sub 1000lbs car and is spining and not hooking at all in yany gear the shafts will pull apart and the tranny will blow up.... i cuff will help but not fix the problem.if you put the car on slicks the case will shaster.
Alex.. my pigfucking friend your lack of knowledge is showing. In this pool of people yoi might want to pretend you kno a bit less and pay more attension....BTW... I running the same oem lude axles I've had for years.
I think your pile is just black.
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K5-7k$ for a tranny that will work for more then 1 day at a time and the 2k$ axles your going to need.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
i would have love to go karting but i got no invite >:( can you make 700 on a stock tranny? yes but unless its in a sub 1000lbs car and is spining and not hooking at all in yany gear the shafts will pull apart and the tranny will blow up.... i cuff will help but not fix the problem.if you put the car on slicks the case will shaster.
Alex.. my pigfucking friend your lack of knowledge is showing. In this pool of people yoi might want to pretend you kno a bit less and pay more attension....BTW... I running the same oem lude axles I've had for years.
I think your pile is just black.
If I remember right your still running the same axles since day one, broke 10+ trans, and found the secret to keeping stock trans alive for more then a night.
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yes spiker has oems but most ppl that drag race there car dont use oem axlez, some do but not the majority.
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ok, like said anyone can make 500, so why would i shoot for 500, then have to re do half my shit cuz its inadiqute for 700? i am talking about a fueling system that can hold up to 700 for gods sake.
i am not saying i am going to crak her up and hit 700 right out the gate. i just want to put together a system capable of handling such power. is that a bad thing?
I don't think you have ANY idea of what you're getting yourself into with the goal you have implied you are aiming for.Its alot more than just having fuel for a huge turbo....
the problem is your first three words. i have lots of ideas, and i am setting a goal and shooting for it. there are at least 4 700+ whp civc in my neighborhood alone. i know alot of what goes into it. this isent my first build. ill admit, i dont to too much turbo shit. it may of been out of your grasp to get to 700, trust me i got this
scotti, shut up you slant eye gook whore bitch ass trick mothe rfucker. wtf have u ever built me worth spitting on faggot. go back and finish trolling gd
Is your next door neighbor Vin Diesel and Paul Walker?
700whp = $10-15k and that's not even setup to race legally on a track. That's just whatever is necessary to make the power. If you want 700whp, plan to spend roughly $20k when all is said and done to get something that can make a pass at a track and not get thrown out. If you have that kind of money, good luck.
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yes spiker has oems but most ppl that drag race there car dont use oem axlez, some do but not the majority.
You missed the point where I tried to politelty tell you you should be quiet becuz you dont know what youre talking about... My OEM Lude axles > about any stage 81347804712804721 gayness you would pay 1k or better for... But you know why already.... right????
No, but youll post some stupid shit anyways .
:-*
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I guess i'm a lucky man, at the 600-650hp range i never had any problems breaking anything. I never broke a stock tranny(type r with supposedly weak lsd), or a stock axle, nothing. It was Si eg hatch that weighed 2500lbs, it had working ac, ps, and sunroof. As long as the cars not a worn out POS i feel confident saying it'll hold together at that power level.
You should have gone karting with Sewell, Ross, ScorpioMk, and I. I think that paradigm is about to be smashed, sir.
Lets hope it works out, theres alot of work to be done. The mind has a trick of making things you know are weak seem stronger in your memories. I'm confident we'll make some good strides ;)
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What are you hosers up to eh?
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I was trashing d series drivetrians on 12 second cars back in the 90's.
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Besides the non-vtec head, I really don't see what the issue is. You could build a 700whp civic with <$5k.
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Besides the non-vtec head, I really don't see what the issue is. You could build a 700whp civic with <$5k.
Lulz.
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I have a golden eagle intake manifold for an LS if you wanna buy it... Sells for $675 new...
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Besides the non-vtec head, I really don't see what the issue is. You could build a 700whp civic with <$5k.
You noobness is showing, enlighten me whats wrong with a non vtec head?
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narftards car pwns yiou
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narftards car pwns yiou
P8r heads flow a ton stock!
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Nothing is wrong with the LS style heads if you're on a budget. To make 700whp on one though seems dumb. Going to need a lot more boost, bigger turbo, bigger cams (read money) At those power levels the bang for the buck is putting a vtack head on. It can obviously be done, and has plenty of times but you may want to pick up some bisi meth injection to go with it. People always say the heads flow so great...who gives a shit when they always put down 100whp less on the same/similar setups.
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Nothing is wrong with the LS style heads if you're on a budget. To make 700whp on one though seems dumb. Going to need a lot more boost, bigger turbo, bigger cams (read money) At those power levels the bang for the buck is putting a vtack head on. It can obviously be done, and has plenty of times but you may want to pick up some bisi meth injection to go with it. People always say the heads flow so great...who gives a shit when they always put down 100whp less on the same/similar setups.
No, the LS head with 33mm intakes flows strangely the same. After buying cams the head is cheaper than a high mileage VTEC head that needs to be sent off to the machine shop. The only real limitation is the LS head doesn't like to be revved past 8K, which is okay since VTEC heads fall apart quick after 8.5K anyway.
FYI LS head != P8R, or anything with.33mm intake valves. The only big valve LS head I see are fielded by me and my friends... I've seen more stock LS heads on sleeved bottom ends than ISve seen properly done boosted LS heads.
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So you're not going to send a beat as fuck LS head to the machine shop? Like I said before just because they flow the same doesn't mean they'll make even similar power. I'm not sure what you mean by vtec heads fall apart? My b16 head with $50 valve springs took 9500 rpms daily for 26,000 miles and still looked mint. Now it gets beat to 10,500.
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I think he means they're high mileage and or beaten to shit because every honda ricer fanboy has had one.
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I'm not saying the LS head is any more or less beat up and high mileage than a VTEC one, I'm saying a free to $30 one plus buying cams is still cheaper than any B-VTEC head.
Also, I'm glad you had a good experience with a mostly stock B16 head. Huff 400+ whp worth of airmass through it and all of a sudden it doesn't last so long.
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JD secretly loves B16's.
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I'm not saying the LS head is any more or less beat up and high mileage than a VTEC one, I'm saying a free to $30 one plus buying cams is still cheaper than any B-VTEC head.
Also, I'm glad you had a good experience with a mostly stock B16 head. Huff 400+ whp worth of airmass through it and all of a sudden it doesn't last so long.
I see what you're saying about the cheapass/free heads. I made well over 400whp on the aforementioned b16 head. ;)
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anyways, getting back on track. i ordered this kit.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230364344856 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230364344856)
as far as the head. its a p8r from the jdm b20. its pretty clean low milage. i am talking rlz about there 350cfm big valve port job. thats the same one we did on the itb b18c we built. they are now doing the machine porting so i dont know exactly what to expect. i am prob going to get the cams custom built my rocket motorsports.
as for the rest, i am bring my new tank to a local guy today to sump it. it will take some time to get the actual sump made.
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Sumps are bent 1/8" or 1/16" sheet with a bung welded in. Cut hole in your existing tank, drill holes through sump flanges into tank, hold together with pop rivets and gas tank sealant. You also spent a lot of money on that Aeromotive stuff, and still need to spend out for hose and misc fittings. I would have poor boy'd a dual Walbro, upgraded the feed line, and plumbed a second stock regulator into the system.
You're a goddamn baller, Mister Weeks.
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def not a baller, just trying to do it right the first time
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Hrm.
You are mostly on the right path, but also buying shit because it's shiny. You have cut through 60% of the bullshit and teething probles big builds go through.