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Title: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 14, 2010, 11:44:51 PM
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Should have it up and running within the week... then it's fun time.

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 15, 2010, 12:58:23 AM
I'm kinda curious how the DynoCOM knockoffs of the Dynapack work out.  Are these units water cooled?  How much power can they absorb?  And do you mind if I ask how much they set you back?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Passenger on June 15, 2010, 01:00:58 AM
I'm kinda curious how the DynoCOM knockoffs of the Dynapack work out.  Are these units water cooled?  How much power can they absorb?  And do you mind if I ask how much they set you back?

I have all the same questions.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: rsmith2786 on June 15, 2010, 01:02:01 AM
Here is the product page.  I'm curious what the actual cost was.

http://www.dynocom.net/catalog/detail.asp?iPro=113&iType=37 (http://www.dynocom.net/catalog/detail.asp?iPro=113&iType=37)
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: 98vtec on June 15, 2010, 01:02:06 AM
FUCK YOU
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 15, 2010, 01:12:15 AM
specs are good price is graet but how good do they work?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Doug on June 15, 2010, 01:42:15 AM
Pretty cool, that shitty DSM in the pic ruins the whole thing
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 15, 2010, 10:57:56 AM
Haha it cost me nothing.  Sadly, i'm only an employee, but i think it cost the owner on the order of $35,000.  Apparently the 4- 6- 8- and 10-bolt hub adapters are a separate cost, plus financing.

JD, it's got a base inertia drum in each wheel, with a built in eddy brake.  AFAIK, the Dynapak's use the water as a hydraulic brake.

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: HiProfile on June 15, 2010, 11:34:14 AM
Just tell him to get the JDM 5-to-4 bolt adapters on fleabay. I'm curious if dynopaks also use aluminum for hub material.


Pretty cool, that shitty DSM in the pic ruins the whole thing

Come on, it's a shop. Where else would a DSM be, besides side of the road.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: dvst8r on June 15, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
How much weight do they support? I can't seem to find that on the website.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Passenger on June 15, 2010, 12:53:02 PM
How much weight do they support? I can't seem to find that on the website.

4000lbs per pod, looks like they could support the power of a diesel truck as well ;)
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: dvst8r on June 15, 2010, 12:57:20 PM
How much weight do they support? I can't seem to find that on the website.

4000lbs per pod, looks like they could support the power of a diesel truck as well ;)

I just forwarded it, to a couple guys.  :)
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 15, 2010, 01:02:33 PM
I'm kinda curious how the DynoCOM knockoffs of the Dynapack work out.  Are these units water cooled?  How much power can they absorb?  And do you mind if I ask how much they set you back?

According to their website, Blueridge has a unit.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: highroller54 on June 15, 2010, 01:26:41 PM
Dave if you get one lets run my princess truck on it  :yes:
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: d112crzy on June 15, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
I've been looking at the DYNOmite version of these.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: jabberwock on June 15, 2010, 01:46:55 PM
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Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Urban Indian on June 15, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Dave if you get one lets run my princess truck on it  :yes:

you would drive it that far?


You do realize they have rocks on the highway right? It could get a rockchip
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 15, 2010, 02:11:48 PM
I'm kinda curious how the DynoCOM knockoffs of the Dynapack work out.  Are these units water cooled?  How much power can they absorb?  And do you mind if I ask how much they set you back?

According to their website, Blueridge has a unit.

No, it doesn't.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: highroller54 on June 15, 2010, 02:23:40 PM
Dave if you get one lets run my princess truck on it  :yes:

you would drive it that far?


You do realize they have rocks on the highway right? It could get a rockchip

great now I'm not going to sleep tonight worring about that  >:(
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Passenger on June 15, 2010, 02:59:07 PM
I'm not interested in buying one, there are a ton of dynos in my area, within 30 minutes there are at least 7-10 available.
I don't do enough R&D to justify one at the moment and I have zero interest in offering dyno services to the general public.
Maybe in a couple years we'll be doing enough R&D to justify one, but right now I need to buy this building and more machines.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: highroller54 on June 15, 2010, 03:09:03 PM
I'm not interested in buying one, there are a ton of dynos in my area, within 30 minutes there are at least 7-10 available.
I don't do enough R&D to justify one at the moment and I have zero interest in offering dyno services to the general public.
Maybe in a couple years we'll be doing enough R&D to justify one, but right now I need to buy more hookers and coke.

fixed  :noel:
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 15, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
I'm not interested in buying one, there are a ton of dynos in my area, within 30 minutes there are at least 7-10 available.
I don't do enough R&D to justify one at the moment and I have zero interest in offering dyno services to the general public.
Maybe in a couple years we'll be doing enough R&D to justify one, but right now I need to buy more hookers and coke.

fixed  :noel:

add 1 to the number of dyno's, we're located in Maple Ditch...  I think that Levi was talking to my boss about renting it out and having LeeD come and tune it, once he gets his engine figured out...

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 15, 2010, 03:55:31 PM
I'm kinda curious how the DynoCOM knockoffs of the Dynapack work out.  Are these units water cooled?  How much power can they absorb?  And do you mind if I ask how much they set you back?

According to their website, Blueridge has a unit.

No, it doesn't.

http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32 (http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32)

http://www.dynocom.net/catalog/detail.asp?iPro=112&iType=37 (http://www.dynocom.net/catalog/detail.asp?iPro=112&iType=37)

I guess not that exact unit, but obviously uses a Dynocom unit according to the website.
http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32 (http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32)
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 15, 2010, 05:07:17 PM
I'm kinda curious how the DynoCOM knockoffs of the Dynapack work out.  Are these units water cooled?  How much power can they absorb?  And do you mind if I ask how much they set you back?

According to their website, Blueridge has a unit.

No, it doesn't.

http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32 (http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32)

http://www.dynocom.net/catalog/detail.asp?iPro=112&iType=37 (http://www.dynocom.net/catalog/detail.asp?iPro=112&iType=37)

I guess not that exact unit, but obviously uses a Dynocom unit according to the website.
http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32 (http://www.dynocom.net/Directory/type.asp?iType=32)

I really miss the TD16 smiley for moments like these.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Passenger on June 15, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
I'm not interested in buying one, there are a ton of dynos in my area, within 30 minutes there are at least 7-10 available.
I don't do enough R&D to justify one at the moment and I have zero interest in offering dyno services to the general public.
Maybe in a couple years we'll be doing enough R&D to justify one, but right now I need to buy more hookers and coke.

fixed  :noel:

add 1 to the number of dyno's, we're located in Maple Ditch...  I think that Levi was talking to my boss about renting it out and having LeeD come and tune it, once he gets his engine figured out...

Phil

You are in Maple Ridge BC?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: highroller54 on June 15, 2010, 05:33:21 PM
I'm not interested in buying one, there are a ton of dynos in my area, within 30 minutes there are at least 7-10 available.
I don't do enough R&D to justify one at the moment and I have zero interest in offering dyno services to the general public.
Maybe in a couple years we'll be doing enough R&D to justify one, but right now I need to buy more hookers and coke.

fixed  :noel:

add 1 to the number of dyno's, we're located in Maple Ditch...  I think that Levi was talking to my boss about renting it out and having LeeD come and tune it, once he gets his engine figured out...

Phil

You are in Maple Ridge BC?

yes,I think he is.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: runsfromdacops on June 15, 2010, 08:40:17 PM
Just tell him to get the JDM 5-to-4 bolt adapters on fleabay. I'm curious if dynopaks also use aluminum for hub material.


Pretty cool, that shitty DSM in the pic ruins the whole thing

Come on, it's a shop. Where else would a DSM be, besides side of the road.

nope they ues steel
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 15, 2010, 09:43:58 PM


You are in Maple Ridge BC?

Yessir, www.evolutionasap.com (http://)

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: boosted wagon on June 15, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
How much to rent the dyno per hour? Glad to see another dyno in BC always good.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Doug on June 16, 2010, 02:11:05 AM
Just tell him to get the JDM 5-to-4 bolt adapters on fleabay. I'm curious if dynopaks also use aluminum for hub material.


Pretty cool, that shitty DSM in the pic ruins the whole thing

Come on, it's a shop. Where else would a DSM be, besides side of the road.

Junkyard where it belongs
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 17, 2010, 11:27:36 PM

Come on, it's a shop. Where else would a DSM be, besides side of the road.

Funny you should say.  I was prepping that very car for the dyno, and something wasn't right...

Missing something?

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FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

pHIL
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 17, 2010, 11:28:55 PM
What lifters did they install in there?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on June 17, 2010, 11:30:05 PM
Damn, you lightweight Jammed those lifters
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 18, 2010, 01:01:46 AM
What lifters did they install in there?

3g ones.  I had a look at the springs and they have super thick spring seats, and it looked like the springs were near coil binding. hks 272's, unknown springs/retainers/valves.

 
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: chris on June 19, 2010, 02:41:12 PM
What kind of warranty did this thing come with?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 19, 2010, 04:11:56 PM
1G lifters > all
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Robb on June 19, 2010, 05:14:32 PM
1G lifters > all

This. Fuck 3g lifters. They collapse at high rpms, fail.  Only time ive seen rockers broken has been with lifters stuck wide open and big cams. Damn.

Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 20, 2010, 01:44:29 PM
1G lifters > all

This. Fuck 3g lifters. They collapse at high rpms, fail.  Only time ive seen rockers broken has been with lifters stuck wide open and big cams. Damn.



Is there a mod to make the 1g lifters quiet?

Oh i found out what the problem was... mismatched valvetrain parts... HKS springs, with unknown retainers and spring seats.  The seats were really thick.  HKS stuff is meant for stock paper thin spring seats and retainers. 

Problem = coil bind.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 20, 2010, 02:30:12 PM
Robb will post all when he gets home.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Robb on June 20, 2010, 03:14:50 PM
Is there a mod to make the 1g lifters quiet?

Yes, there is.  The cylinder head only gets oil from one port at the corner, and has to travel through and around a bolt/hole to get to the channels in the head.  There is a taper in the port that you can enlarge with a dremel to flow more volume oil.  Here is a good description...
http://forums.ds-map.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=796 (http://forums.ds-map.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=796)

and you can take it a bit further with this if you want to be awesome and run a small port head...
http://forums.ds-map.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=797 (http://forums.ds-map.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=797)

BTW, I NEVER install the lifters pumped up.  Install them bled down, and let the oil pressure pump them up and bleed themselves. There are people who will argue this till they die, but I would not risk my valves hanging open (and they can) and possibly getting bent on the initial startup.  Ive seen engines with lifters installed pumped up that had ZERO compression across all four with stock cams/springs/etc. Fuck that shit.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 21, 2010, 12:40:51 AM
thanks AshEVILians... i will do such to the lifters.  I have done both oil port mods to a recent 2g head on a 6 bolt...
i hope this head at least has the head stud hole ported. or else off it comes!

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: chris on June 21, 2010, 01:24:21 AM
What kind of warranty did this thing come with?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 21, 2010, 01:57:40 PM
What kind of warranty did this thing come with?

I've spoken to exactly no one with the DC-Pods, but I've talked to a lot of people who own various flavors of DC-1800 in inertia, loading, 2WD and AWD configurations.  I dialed maybe 25 of the people on the list of DynoCOM owners, and 19-20 of them had a couples minutes to spare to talk to me.  I found no one who could satisfactorily answer my questions about functionality of the logging equipment and other nerd questions (no surprise there, really, most car people/tuners are... limited) but I also heard exactly *zero* complaints and a lot of praise of the units and their construction.  You will get a lot of offered feedback that the build quality is high and everything is robust.  I did some callbacks of two guys I met at PRI three years ago who'd bought loading AWD units then, and 2+ years later they were still happy.

Honestly, shit's been wierd with cash flow through the shop and getting the rest of the dyno paid for (I'll be making an OG post at some point... there's a Don't Fuck With RHMT Members moral in the works here, and if it plays out the way we hope you'll titter like a schoolgirl to hear the tale) but Allison Blackstein (main/only? sales rep) has been super cool.  And I quote, "we aren't taking the $20K you paid up front.  We want you to have this dyno." 

I know it's not the question you asked, Chris, there's really no feedback on that unit so far, but my honest evaluation is that the DynoCOM lineup is the best bang for the buck in the industry at the moment.  If i get a few dollars ahead i plan on buying one of their Dyno Dynamics clones and dragging it to car club meets and to the dragstrip some test and tune nights.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 21, 2010, 02:16:44 PM
I'm going to buy a unit, put it in my garage, and never use it just to piss people off.

From an economic stand point, $30k +/- at 8% interest on a 5 year loan is a $608.29 payment per month.  The break even point seems pretty fucking low.  You'd need to do 3-4 tunes a month to break even.  Basically a tune a week.  That's not even including the easy income of doing 3 pulls for $60 which probably offers a profit of $40 per car.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 21, 2010, 02:31:58 PM
I'm going to buy a unit, put it in my garage, and never use it just to piss people off.

From an economic stand point, $30k +/- at 8% interest on a 5 year loan is a $608.29 payment per month.  The break even point seems pretty fucking low.  You'd need to do 3-4 tunes a month to break even.  Basically a tune a week.  That's not even including the easy income of doing 3 pulls for $60 which probably offers a profit of $40 per car.

Most of the lease companies want 25% down and +/- $1000 per month with a dollar buyout ($1000/mo being the target for a $30-35K unit), and they try to rickroll you into a higher interest rate.  Finding independant financing is a little wierd on a unit like that as banks are both unfamiliar and want insurance on the dyno which brings you into a wierd world with anything other than a hub dyno as cars flying off the dyno is considered very likely to insurance companies.  I know what xeno paind for his DD, and I know what Goforth was quoted by two equipment leasing agencies, and it's pretty much leasing industry standard.  If you can buy the unit for cash and then lease it to your "company" for tax reasons, that's ideal, but to finance one out means you pay through the nose.
Title: Re: new shop tool
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Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 21, 2010, 03:17:28 PM
What kind of warranty did this thing come with?

Just spoke to the owner... he thinks it's 2 year parts, and maybe labour. Not sure how the labour portion works out.

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 21, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
I'm going to buy a unit, put it in my garage, and never use it just to piss people off.

From an economic stand point, $30k +/- at 8% interest on a 5 year loan is a $608.29 payment per month.  The break even point seems pretty fucking low.  You'd need to do 3-4 tunes a month to break even.  Basically a tune a week.  That's not even including the easy income of doing 3 pulls for $60 which probably offers a profit of $40 per car.

Most of the lease companies want 25% down and +/- $1000 per month with a dollar buyout ($1000/mo being the target for a $30-35K unit), and they try to rickroll you into a higher interest rate.  Finding independant financing is a little wierd on a unit like that as banks are both unfamiliar and want insurance on the dyno which brings you into a wierd world with anything other than a hub dyno as cars flying off the dyno is considered very likely to insurance companies.  I know what xeno paind for his DD, and I know what Goforth was quoted by two equipment leasing agencies, and it's pretty much leasing industry standard.  If you can buy the unit for cash and then lease it to your "company" for tax reasons, that's ideal, but to finance one out means you pay through the nose.

I'm not super familiar with the $30-35k loan rates on something like that, so I'll have to take your word on it.  Frankly, it is almost cheap enough where a business in good standings should be able to put the whole thing on a credit card.  If you have a decent credit card, 8% shouldn't be far off the interest rate.

My dad's company has had good luck getting loans from credit card companies.  I can't say exactly what the rates were, but they were always better than the financing directly from the manufacturer.  I believe they were somewhere in the 6-7% range with 0% for a period of time.  At $30-35k, I'm surprised you can't just get financing directly from your local bank.  It's really not that large of a loan for a decent sized business in good standings.  Especially considering it is relatively easy to turn a profit as long as you aren't paying through the teeth for insurance.

Either way, none of this bothers me because I pay cash.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 21, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
Name one thing you've paid cash for.  Best I can tell, you lurk in your parents basement and obsess over whether or not you left the toilet seat up.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 21, 2010, 05:55:22 PM
Name one thing you've paid cash for.  Best I can tell, you lurk in your parents basement and obsess over whether or not you left the toilet seat up.

I wonder what I bought my Miata with.   ???


Jospeh, sooner or later you'll have to realize that although my lifestyle is not great, it does have certain benefits.  Primarily the ability to save money fairly easily while buying making decent sized purchases for cash.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 21, 2010, 06:47:17 PM
Name one thing you've paid cash for.  Best I can tell, you lurk in your parents basement and obsess over whether or not you left the toilet seat up.

I wonder what I bought my Miata with.   ???


Jospeh, sooner or later you'll have to realize that although my lifestyle is not great, it does have certain benefits.  Primarily the ability to save money fairly easily while buying making decent sized purchases for cash.

My problem is not your lifestyle, which is perfectly fine at your age and with your level of responsability.  My problem is your lifestyle affords you certain opportunities that you can only really go for when young and you lay around like a stick in the mud wasting that.  The Subaru wagon, drive around the country plan was BEAUTIFUL and yet you let it go to waste just like everything else you do.  Likewise, you will waste any transitory plans you have for that Miata with your own personal brand of methodical inaction.  If I'm bitching at you please keep in mind it's not because I dislike you, it's because I see you wasting everything you *could* be.

But, I guess it's okay.  Guys like you normally sow their wild oats when they hit their midlife crisis.  I feel bad for your wife/kids.  :/
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: chris on June 21, 2010, 07:08:17 PM
How many 20/30 somethings have 35,000 in cash just laying around who come from a normal working class family, very few.


A buddy of mine is selling his dynapack since he is almost 40 and just does mostly general repaiir work after doing the whole performance thing for 10+years. We have talked about how I can try to figure out something to get the dyno regarding a loan etc. I sure as hell dont have 35,000 collecting dust and I would be shocked to find to many people my age who do with no debt over their head.


Especially with my background coming up from the poorest county in california that currently reps over 20 percent unemployment rates and no family help. Im not alone alot of people who go into doing their own thing do so since they have no other options.






Not to mention staying alive in business to begin with. Its not so cut and dry.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: TheMadScientist on June 21, 2010, 08:22:56 PM
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Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 21, 2010, 09:11:42 PM
You guys are really just too easy to get under your skin.

I contacted DynoCom today by email.  I'm going to see what I can get for $25k delivered, buy it, and take photos of my dog licking it.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: chris on June 21, 2010, 09:34:50 PM
They spam your email
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: bigwig on June 21, 2010, 09:37:21 PM
They spam your email

Can't be any worse than me making a comment on a Thunderbird bug on Mozilla's development site and being spammed to hell as a result.  Just what I get for bitching about a free piece of software.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 21, 2010, 10:35:52 PM
DC-1800sz, or the Dyno Dynamics clone with some trimmings.

You buying one won't get under my skin, but the fact it would collect dust and go to waste would be a quintessentially you thing.  The fact that you don't understand anything in my previous response to you - anything - and think you're getting under anyone's skin is a sad testament to how far you've limited your own perceptual horizons.


Me: You're a really bright guy and you're letting your best years go to waste.
Rass: lolz I trolled u agin
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Evolution on June 22, 2010, 12:29:55 AM
Hey guys, my name is Kevin i'm the owner of Evolution Auto Performance. I've been meaning to get registered on this forum for a while (too busy to start another habit).

To answer some questions, the Dyno was $36,000 with 4,5,6, and 8 lug adapters. Just as you did Joseph I called around and had a hard time finding anyone that had anything bad to say about them. I personally went down to check out the facility and was very impressed with the quality of workmanship. The hubs are made of steel and heat treated to rockwell 44-55, then zinc coated. Each pod weighs in at 900lbs and are capable of 900 hp and 2700 ft/lbs.

The owner of dynocom, Paul is a huge car guy as well as a brilliant software engineer who has worked for some huge companies like Dell and Lockheed Martin. Dynocom will be the biggest dyno manufacturer soon, Dyno Dynamics has gone out of buisness, Dynojet isn't going to be making motorcycle dyno's only and Dynocom is quickly catching up to Mustang in sales.

Only time will tell weather this machine is good or not but so far it seems to be very consistent and repeatable. We have 4 cars to tune this week so we'll have a better idea on how the machine is at the end of the week.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2010, 12:42:53 AM
Why did you buy a hub dyno instead of a traditional chassis dyne?

Also, for the record, this is not a car forum it's a gentleman's only club.  Make an intro post in General Discussion where you tell us about your self in 25 or less words (or not at all), post a picture or three of your current car or project, and then post a lot of porn.  Trust me, people will become increasingly rude to you if you do not.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Evolution on June 22, 2010, 01:12:48 AM
Why did you buy a hub dyno instead of a traditional chassis dyne?

Also, for the record, this is not a car forum it's a gentleman's only club.  Make an intro post in General Discussion where you tell us about your self in 25 or less words (or not at all), post a picture or three of your current car or project, and then post a lot of porn.  Trust me, people will become increasingly rude to you if you do not.

Thanks for the heads up on the intro post, I’ll go through my wide selection of porn and post the best I’ve got.

I went with a hub dyno for many reasons. As everyone knows space is expensive; this dyno will slide under a work bench and allows me to tuck them away when we aren't using them. Shops are paying $1 sq/ft, that $800/month dyno payment is now much more with the extra rent they're paying to have the dyno sit in the corner. Let’s face it; you’re not using the dyno every day so that space could be used to do other jobs in. The other big thing is no chance of any tire slip, and you don't have to worry about the differences in strapping tensions affecting your results. We use our dyno in a bay that has a 2 post hoist so if we want to perform a baseline, install a part then re-dyno it makes it really easy. We can also bring the dyno to events which nobody else in the area can do at the moment.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2010, 06:05:07 AM
you don't have to worry about the differences in strapping tensions affecting your results.

What have you used where that was a concern?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Evolution on June 22, 2010, 11:48:04 AM
Tell you the truth i've never actually experienced it myself, nor have I ever tested the myth but, it was somthing that I was told when I was learning to dyno cars.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: dvst8r on June 22, 2010, 12:13:46 PM
Can someone fill me in on this strapping tension idea?

Most of the dynoing I do is with trucks that make anywhere from 1000-2000ft lbs of torque. Wheel spin is always a battle, and as such people goto some pretty extreme strapping measures to keep it to a minimum.

After seeing this thread, I have someone that is quite serious about buying one of these, just for the no possibility of wheel spin aspect. Obviously it is a little slower to switch out vehicles on a dyno day, but to be able to get accurate and repeatable runs on hard hitting twin, and nitrous trucks, would be well worth the time wasted. 
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2010, 12:30:16 PM
I can see where it would amplify parasitic drag and make a marginal difference, but I've never seen it manifest in any noticeable manner myself.   Most of the times in my experience that a vehicle's been restrapped or had straps added were due to FWD traction issues at the 600+ level and I never saw any indication of such a thing happening.  It is plausable that a NA vehicle would suffer such, though, but I've not fooled with it to know.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: dvst8r on June 22, 2010, 02:45:35 PM
Good to know. For most of the guys I deal with, if it is repeatable with in + or - 5hp, they are more then happy. It is when they make 600hp hit it with a 300shot, and blow the tires off and make 633hp, that piss's them off. As such they all love DJ's...  ::) as it is rare to spin the tires on one.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Evolution on June 22, 2010, 06:28:07 PM
I hate to sound like a Dynocom salesman but on their roller dyno's they have huge machined knurles in them that makes it almost impossible to spin the tires on.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
I hate to sound like a Dynocom salesman but on their roller dyno's they have huge machined knurles in them that makes it almost impossible to spin the tires on.

All dyno reps say that, no matter how honest or straightforward they are sales types not sworn in on the witness stand with the best interest of society in their hearts.  That's why I spent all that time talking to actual dyno owners.

100 shot + VTEC = failure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzj-MT0vwYc#normal)


Good kind sir, get one of the reps to put a grand down on the wheelspin conjecture and I will bring a half dozen cars that rip the tires free repeatedly.  We will run a train on those bitches and split the money.

 I have broken traction on:

DynoCOM
Dynojet 224x
Mustang MD-750
Mustang MD-1100SE
Mustang 500

Edit: Oh, yeah, Dyno Dynamics.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: jabberwock on June 22, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
@GUMMYBEAYUH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Grand_Am#1999.E2.80.932005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Grand_Am#1999.E2.80.932005)
vs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000#Specifications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000#Specifications)

I see 155 vs 153 (2.4 vs 2.0) and 162 for the 2.2... so... ?




YouTube won't let me post a comment... :(
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Crackdown on June 22, 2010, 10:26:29 PM
I hate to sound like a Dynocom salesman but on their roller dyno's they have huge machined knurles in them that makes it almost impossible to spin the tires on.

I shared a shop with a brand new mustang 1100SE for a couple years, the knurling was good, but with enough power we manged to get slippage, even when we had to break out the chains and pull the vehicle down vertically.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Gold DA9 on June 25, 2010, 01:13:02 AM
got to tell my friend about this. He is trying to decide what dyno to purchase..
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 25, 2010, 06:49:45 AM
Where do you live again, Mister Z?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: mrgreengenes on June 26, 2010, 11:49:32 PM
Where do you live again, Mister Z?

Is that a Frank Zappa reference by chance?

Near Vancouver BC

Phil
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 27, 2010, 04:54:13 AM
Gold DA9 = Zach or Zack.  I couldn't remember the exact spelling, so I called him Mr. Z.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: chris on July 31, 2010, 11:00:44 AM
Hows everything working out?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Evolution on August 23, 2010, 12:54:16 AM
Hows everything working out?

We had one issue with the hand held controller but other than that everything has been working well.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on August 23, 2010, 01:01:13 AM
What one issue?
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Evolution on August 24, 2010, 10:21:54 PM
The handheld controller stopped working, we were still able to use the dyno just more of a PITA. From the time that we broke the remote to the time we sent ours out and had it back was 3 days.
Title: Re: new shop tool
Post by: Joseph Davis on August 24, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
Sweet.  Shit happens with anything you biy, glad to hear you got quality service.