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[mrgreengenes]

Come on, it's a shop. Where else would a DSM be, besides side of the road.

Funny you should say.  I was prepping that very car for the dyno, and something wasn't right...

Missing something?


















Oh there it is!!!



FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

pHIL

[Joseph Davis]

What lifters did they install in there?

[LS1pwNzJ00]

Damn, you lightweight Jammed those lifters

[mrgreengenes]

What lifters did they install in there?

3g ones.  I had a look at the springs and they have super thick spring seats, and it looked like the springs were near coil binding. hks 272's, unknown springs/retainers/valves.

 

[chris]

What kind of warranty did this thing come with?

[Joseph Davis]

1G lifters > all

[Robb]

1G lifters > all

This. Fuck 3g lifters. They collapse at high rpms, fail.  Only time ive seen rockers broken has been with lifters stuck wide open and big cams. Damn.

[mrgreengenes]

1G lifters > all

This. Fuck 3g lifters. They collapse at high rpms, fail.  Only time ive seen rockers broken has been with lifters stuck wide open and big cams. Damn.

Is there a mod to make the 1g lifters quiet?

Oh i found out what the problem was... mismatched valvetrain parts... HKS springs, with unknown retainers and spring seats.  The seats were really thick.  HKS stuff is meant for stock paper thin spring seats and retainers. 

Problem = coil bind.

[Joseph Davis]

Robb will post all when he gets home.

[Robb]

Is there a mod to make the 1g lifters quiet?

Yes, there is.  The cylinder head only gets oil from one port at the corner, and has to travel through and around a bolt/hole to get to the channels in the head.  There is a taper in the port that you can enlarge with a dremel to flow more volume oil.  Here is a good description...
http://forums.ds-map.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=796

and you can take it a bit further with this if you want to be awesome and run a small port head...
http://forums.ds-map.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=797

BTW, I NEVER install the lifters pumped up.  Install them bled down, and let the oil pressure pump them up and bleed themselves. There are people who will argue this till they die, but I would not risk my valves hanging open (and they can) and possibly getting bent on the initial startup.  Ive seen engines with lifters installed pumped up that had ZERO compression across all four with stock cams/springs/etc. Fuck that shit.

[mrgreengenes]

thanks AshEVILians... i will do such to the lifters.  I have done both oil port mods to a recent 2g head on a 6 bolt...
i hope this head at least has the head stud hole ported. or else off it comes!

Phil

[chris]

What kind of warranty did this thing come with?

[Joseph Davis]

What kind of warranty did this thing come with?

I've spoken to exactly no one with the DC-Pods, but I've talked to a lot of people who own various flavors of DC-1800 in inertia, loading, 2WD and AWD configurations.  I dialed maybe 25 of the people on the list of DynoCOM owners, and 19-20 of them had a couples minutes to spare to talk to me.  I found no one who could satisfactorily answer my questions about functionality of the logging equipment and other nerd questions (no surprise there, really, most car people/tuners are... limited) but I also heard exactly *zero* complaints and a lot of praise of the units and their construction.  You will get a lot of offered feedback that the build quality is high and everything is robust.  I did some callbacks of two guys I met at PRI three years ago who'd bought loading AWD units then, and 2+ years later they were still happy.

Honestly, shit's been wierd with cash flow through the shop and getting the rest of the dyno paid for (I'll be making an OG post at some point... there's a Don't Fuck With RHMT Members moral in the works here, and if it plays out the way we hope you'll titter like a schoolgirl to hear the tale) but Allison Blackstein (main/only? sales rep) has been super cool.  And I quote, "we aren't taking the $20K you paid up front.  We want you to have this dyno." 

I know it's not the question you asked, Chris, there's really no feedback on that unit so far, but my honest evaluation is that the DynoCOM lineup is the best bang for the buck in the industry at the moment.  If i get a few dollars ahead i plan on buying one of their Dyno Dynamics clones and dragging it to car club meets and to the dragstrip some test and tune nights.

[bigwig]

I'm going to buy a unit, put it in my garage, and never use it just to piss people off.

From an economic stand point, $30k +/- at 8% interest on a 5 year loan is a $608.29 payment per month.  The break even point seems pretty fucking low.  You'd need to do 3-4 tunes a month to break even.  Basically a tune a week.  That's not even including the easy income of doing 3 pulls for $60 which probably offers a profit of $40 per car.

[Joseph Davis]

I'm going to buy a unit, put it in my garage, and never use it just to piss people off.

From an economic stand point, $30k +/- at 8% interest on a 5 year loan is a $608.29 payment per month.  The break even point seems pretty fucking low.  You'd need to do 3-4 tunes a month to break even.  Basically a tune a week.  That's not even including the easy income of doing 3 pulls for $60 which probably offers a profit of $40 per car.

Most of the lease companies want 25% down and +/- $1000 per month with a dollar buyout ($1000/mo being the target for a $30-35K unit), and they try to rickroll you into a higher interest rate.  Finding independant financing is a little wierd on a unit like that as banks are both unfamiliar and want insurance on the dyno which brings you into a wierd world with anything other than a hub dyno as cars flying off the dyno is considered very likely to insurance companies.  I know what xeno paind for his DD, and I know what Goforth was quoted by two equipment leasing agencies, and it's pretty much leasing industry standard.  If you can buy the unit for cash and then lease it to your "company" for tax reasons, that's ideal, but to finance one out means you pay through the nose.

[bigdaddyvtec]

[mrgreengenes]

What kind of warranty did this thing come with?

Just spoke to the owner... he thinks it's 2 year parts, and maybe labour. Not sure how the labour portion works out.

Phil

[bigwig]

I'm going to buy a unit, put it in my garage, and never use it just to piss people off.

From an economic stand point, $30k +/- at 8% interest on a 5 year loan is a $608.29 payment per month.  The break even point seems pretty fucking low.  You'd need to do 3-4 tunes a month to break even.  Basically a tune a week.  That's not even including the easy income of doing 3 pulls for $60 which probably offers a profit of $40 per car.

Most of the lease companies want 25% down and +/- $1000 per month with a dollar buyout ($1000/mo being the target for a $30-35K unit), and they try to rickroll you into a higher interest rate.  Finding independant financing is a little wierd on a unit like that as banks are both unfamiliar and want insurance on the dyno which brings you into a wierd world with anything other than a hub dyno as cars flying off the dyno is considered very likely to insurance companies.  I know what xeno paind for his DD, and I know what Goforth was quoted by two equipment leasing agencies, and it's pretty much leasing industry standard.  If you can buy the unit for cash and then lease it to your "company" for tax reasons, that's ideal, but to finance one out means you pay through the nose.

I'm not super familiar with the $30-35k loan rates on something like that, so I'll have to take your word on it.  Frankly, it is almost cheap enough where a business in good standings should be able to put the whole thing on a credit card.  If you have a decent credit card, 8% shouldn't be far off the interest rate.

My dad's company has had good luck getting loans from credit card companies.  I can't say exactly what the rates were, but they were always better than the financing directly from the manufacturer.  I believe they were somewhere in the 6-7% range with 0% for a period of time.  At $30-35k, I'm surprised you can't just get financing directly from your local bank.  It's really not that large of a loan for a decent sized business in good standings.  Especially considering it is relatively easy to turn a profit as long as you aren't paying through the teeth for insurance.

Either way, none of this bothers me because I pay cash.

[Joseph Davis]

Name one thing you've paid cash for.  Best I can tell, you lurk in your parents basement and obsess over whether or not you left the toilet seat up.

[bigwig]

Name one thing you've paid cash for.  Best I can tell, you lurk in your parents basement and obsess over whether or not you left the toilet seat up.

I wonder what I bought my Miata with.   


Jospeh, sooner or later you'll have to realize that although my lifestyle is not great, it does have certain benefits.  Primarily the ability to save money fairly easily while buying making decent sized purchases for cash.

[Joseph Davis]

Name one thing you've paid cash for.  Best I can tell, you lurk in your parents basement and obsess over whether or not you left the toilet seat up.

I wonder what I bought my Miata with.   


Jospeh, sooner or later you'll have to realize that although my lifestyle is not great, it does have certain benefits.  Primarily the ability to save money fairly easily while buying making decent sized purchases for cash.

My problem is not your lifestyle, which is perfectly fine at your age and with your level of responsability.  My problem is your lifestyle affords you certain opportunities that you can only really go for when young and you lay around like a stick in the mud wasting that.  The Subaru wagon, drive around the country plan was BEAUTIFUL and yet you let it go to waste just like everything else you do.  Likewise, you will waste any transitory plans you have for that Miata with your own personal brand of methodical inaction.  If I'm bitching at you please keep in mind it's not because I dislike you, it's because I see you wasting everything you *could* be.

But, I guess it's okay.  Guys like you normally sow their wild oats when they hit their midlife crisis.  I feel bad for your wife/kids.  :/

[chris]

How many 20/30 somethings have 35,000 in cash just laying around who come from a normal working class family, very few.


A buddy of mine is selling his dynapack since he is almost 40 and just does mostly general repaiir work after doing the whole performance thing for 10+years. We have talked about how I can try to figure out something to get the dyno regarding a loan etc. I sure as hell dont have 35,000 collecting dust and I would be shocked to find to many people my age who do with no debt over their head.


Especially with my background coming up from the poorest county in california that currently reps over 20 percent unemployment rates and no family help. Im not alone alot of people who go into doing their own thing do so since they have no other options.






Not to mention staying alive in business to begin with. Its not so cut and dry.

[TheMadScientist]

Is that a BJ's racing Intake Manifold?

[bigwig]

You guys are really just too easy to get under your skin.

I contacted DynoCom today by email.  I'm going to see what I can get for $25k delivered, buy it, and take photos of my dog licking it.

[chris]

They spam your email

[bigwig]

They spam your email

Can't be any worse than me making a comment on a Thunderbird bug on Mozilla's development site and being spammed to hell as a result.  Just what I get for bitching about a free piece of software.

[Joseph Davis]

DC-1800sz, or the Dyno Dynamics clone with some trimmings.

You buying one won't get under my skin, but the fact it would collect dust and go to waste would be a quintessentially you thing.  The fact that you don't understand anything in my previous response to you - anything - and think you're getting under anyone's skin is a sad testament to how far you've limited your own perceptual horizons.


Me: You're a really bright guy and you're letting your best years go to waste.
Rass: lolz I trolled u agin

[Evolution]

Hey guys, my name is Kevin i'm the owner of Evolution Auto Performance. I've been meaning to get registered on this forum for a while (too busy to start another habit).

To answer some questions, the Dyno was $36,000 with 4,5,6, and 8 lug adapters. Just as you did Joseph I called around and had a hard time finding anyone that had anything bad to say about them. I personally went down to check out the facility and was very impressed with the quality of workmanship. The hubs are made of steel and heat treated to rockwell 44-55, then zinc coated. Each pod weighs in at 900lbs and are capable of 900 hp and 2700 ft/lbs.

The owner of dynocom, Paul is a huge car guy as well as a brilliant software engineer who has worked for some huge companies like Dell and Lockheed Martin. Dynocom will be the biggest dyno manufacturer soon, Dyno Dynamics has gone out of buisness, Dynojet isn't going to be making motorcycle dyno's only and Dynocom is quickly catching up to Mustang in sales.

Only time will tell weather this machine is good or not but so far it seems to be very consistent and repeatable. We have 4 cars to tune this week so we'll have a better idea on how the machine is at the end of the week.

[Joseph Davis]

Why did you buy a hub dyno instead of a traditional chassis dyne?

Also, for the record, this is not a car forum it's a gentleman's only club.  Make an intro post in General Discussion where you tell us about your self in 25 or less words (or not at all), post a picture or three of your current car or project, and then post a lot of porn.  Trust me, people will become increasingly rude to you if you do not.

[Evolution]

Why did you buy a hub dyno instead of a traditional chassis dyne?

Also, for the record, this is not a car forum it's a gentleman's only club.  Make an intro post in General Discussion where you tell us about your self in 25 or less words (or not at all), post a picture or three of your current car or project, and then post a lot of porn.  Trust me, people will become increasingly rude to you if you do not.

Thanks for the heads up on the intro post, I’ll go through my wide selection of porn and post the best I’ve got.

I went with a hub dyno for many reasons. As everyone knows space is expensive; this dyno will slide under a work bench and allows me to tuck them away when we aren't using them. Shops are paying $1 sq/ft, that $800/month dyno payment is now much more with the extra rent they're paying to have the dyno sit in the corner. Let’s face it; you’re not using the dyno every day so that space could be used to do other jobs in. The other big thing is no chance of any tire slip, and you don't have to worry about the differences in strapping tensions affecting your results. We use our dyno in a bay that has a 2 post hoist so if we want to perform a baseline, install a part then re-dyno it makes it really easy. We can also bring the dyno to events which nobody else in the area can do at the moment.