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General Category => Engine Management => Topic started by: SQ is the SQUAD on April 08, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
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so i decided to stat buying my one chipping kits to build my ecus. i was buying them from another source. i have two digi key catalogs at home but get confused everytime i read them. can someone who is firmiliar with there systemr help me compose a complete parts list of all needed parts. this way whoever wants to buy there own vtec chipping kits can go straight to the source. i plan on buying at least 20 of everythnig.
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so i decided to stat buying my one chipping kits to build my ecus. i was buying them from another source. i have two digi key catalogs at home but get confused everytime i read them. can someone who is firmiliar with there systemr help me compose a complete parts list of all needed parts. this way whoever wants to buy there own vtec chipping kits can go straight to the source. i plan on buying at least 20 of everythnig.
+1 very interested in this info. too :yes:
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I was going to do this, but one of the items you need requires like 200 piece purchase minimum, which is ridiculous..
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I was going to do this, but one of the items you need requires like 200 piece purchase minimum, which is ridiculous..
which item?
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its all in the pgmfi wiki
If you plan on just doing a couple ecu's your better off just be a kit one at a time.
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ill prob do at least 25 ecus this summer.
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lets do a group buy
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i have a list of the parts from there from last time i bought a shit load of kits. ill look for it and post it up
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here is an old reciept from digikey. i didnt buy the ZIF's but i have the part number for that too.
QTY Part Number Description Unit Price
20 1.0KEBK-ND RES 1.0K OHM 1/6W 5% CARBON FILM $1.04
40 399-4329-ND CAP .1UF 50V 10% CER RADIAL $6.28
20 ED5828-ND IC SOCKET 28PIN LOW PROFILE $40.16
25 296-1591-5-ND IC OCT TRANSP D LATCH 20-DIP $12.38
25 A1922-ND CONN HEADER VERT 4POS .100 TIN $3.41
Subtotal $63.27
ZIF Socket 28 pin A347-ND 6.50 each
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I'm up for a group by if sockets are included and maybe some of those 3 or 4 bar map sensors thrown in the mix. ;D
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you dont need to order 200 pieces of any of the parts. some items have a minimum order quantity but none were more then like 25. but it doesnt matter when the piece is only $.05. cant expect them to ship one resistor by itsself lol. thats the exact receipt from last time i ordered from them, and you can see in the QTY section there is usually a minimum but you just adjust how many kits your ordering to be able to use all the parts.
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yea i don't mind organizing the group buy if you guys want to go nutz with it. more parts = more discount. i'm going to be buyin a few map sensors as well. depending on the interest in the next few posts we can decide what to do
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I can afford 5-10 kits w/ sockets together and 5 map sensors. If we can keep it $100usd or less for my contribution.
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if you make gruop buyer , how much would cost one chipping kit?
in moates website cost 16$ complete kit. ???
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if you make gruop buyer , how much would cost one chipping kit?
in moates website cost 16$ complete kit. ???
15.99 sounds reasonable
j/k, i dont' know how many people want shit so it will be a bit before prices would be finalized. just check in, and maybe later this weekend if we start to have an idea of how many parts of each we need i could come up wiht an estimate
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i would be down for 2 full kits and 10 chips and 1 or 2 map sensors
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well ill prob be ordering enough for 25 vtec chip kit and maybe 5 map sensors
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if you make gruop buyer , how much would cost one chipping kit?
in moates website cost 16$ complete kit. ???
15.99 sounds reasonable
j/k, i dont' know how many people want shit so it will be a bit before prices would be finalized. just check in, and maybe later this weekend if we start to have an idea of how many parts of each we need i could come up wiht an estimate
ok, let me know, im could be interested in getting some chipping kits depending of price of course, ill need next weeks when i get P05 ,vtec conversion kit too..
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i heard on the pgmfi site that the sst chip was discontinued
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Any word on these kits.
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i'm not trying to run a side business. i'm just trying to help everyone out on shipping and buying in bulk so we all get a discount.
people, start PMing me with what you want, with part numbers preferably, and i'll try to complie a list over the next few days
would it be worth making a new thread about?
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im in for 10 obd0 chip kits
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i'm not trying to run a side business. i'm just trying to help everyone out on shipping and buying in bulk so we all get a discount.
people, start PMing me with what you want, with part numbers preferably, and i'll try to complie a list over the next few days
would it be worth making a new thread about?
yep, thanks
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what is the part # for the EPROM chip and the drive that you replace in ecus for injector that burn out.
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i heard on the pgmfi site that the sst chip was discontinued
the part number on mouser says they are too but references another chip. ill look later and post up what it is to see if its compatible. think they were like $1.50 each
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Any word on group buys?
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i've had 2 people PM me. doesn't look like its worth the effort.
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shit, man, fuck ;D
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i ordered already 1 chipping + vtec conversion kit :-\
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This might help other people. Here is the list I put together when I was looked for chipping kits. I'm still looking for the exact components used in the pwm boos controller kits, so if anyone knows them please send them my way.
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great! and Futurlec send stuff to europe. just they havent 27SF512 and Aries S4,i was wondering if this zif should works too ..
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.futurlec.com%2FPictures%2FZIFU28.jpg&hash=bbea12791852799b684c8a4eb0fcb46c7c764cdc)
28 pin of course. and if 27SF512 chips will fits on it.
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Def. looks like they should fit. yeah the 27sf512 are discontinued. No place has them that I could find except ebay, xeno and moates.
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Fuck a ZIF, get machine pin sockets and reap their eternal reliability. Best of all, you can buy them from a company called ASSMANN. :)
http://www.usa-assmann.com/Specs/ARxx-HxL-TT-R.pdf (http://www.usa-assmann.com/Specs/ARxx-HxL-TT-R.pdf)
Also, PWM is the same transistor as used by the IACV circuit, 220 and 330 ohm 1/2 watt resistors, and a 1N4002 diode (have used lesser rated 4001s with no problems).
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i assume not use ZIF if you runs with ostrich or something like that, but if you runs without one and need remove chip all the time, using zif is easiest..
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i assume not use ZIF if you runs with ostrich or something like that, but if you runs without one and need remove chip all the time, using zif is easiest..
Not when the ZIF falls apart. They are pretty fragile.
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ass is the past tense of essen
Das ist gut LOL
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Fuck a ZIF, get machine pin sockets and reap their eternal reliability. Best of all, you can buy them from a company called ASSMANN. :)
http://www.usa-assmann.com/Specs/ARxx-HxL-TT-R.pdf (http://www.usa-assmann.com/Specs/ARxx-HxL-TT-R.pdf)
Also, PWM is the same transistor as used by the IACV circuit, 220 and 330 ohm 1/2 watt resistors, and a 1N4002 diode (have used lesser rated 4001s with no problems).
JD- Can I use 1n4004 for the diode? also I'm not sure which circuit the iacv is. Can you point me to what is the transistor type and are there suppose to be two transistors? the pwm kits sold show two totally different transistors. Thanks.
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D14: 512-1n4002 (1N4002DICT-ND)
R70: 220 ohm (220ebk-nd)
R71: 330 ohm (330ebk-nd)
Q20: 526-nte2368 (2SB1030ARACT-ND)
Q29: 511-mje3055t (497-2573-5-ND)
http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17649&p=111282&hilit=q20#p111282 (http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17649&p=111282&hilit=q20#p111282)
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One is one of the small transistors everything uses, in this case to switch the big transistor on and off.
You have all the part numbers there, so...?
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OK great thanks. Now as far as the 1n4002. I know the differences between the 1n4002 and the 1n4004 is that the 1n4004 has a much higher reverse voltage rms, I just want to know if i can use the 1n4004 instead of the 1n4002. Only reason I ask is cause I already have a bunch of 1n4004 for chipping kits and don't want to have to buy a different one if i have to. Thanks.
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1N4001-1N4004 are interchangeable. It's just a silicon diode, dude. Passes voltage one way with a 0.3v drop, and refuses it the other direction.
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Thats exactly what I thought. Just wanted to double check. Thanks so much for all your help.
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Thought people might find this usefull, 27sf512 chips.
http://www.progshop.com/shop/chips/flash-eproms.html (http://www.progshop.com/shop/chips/flash-eproms.html)
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Thought people might find this usefull, 27sf512 chips.
http://www.progshop.com/shop/chips/flash-eproms.html (http://www.progshop.com/shop/chips/flash-eproms.html)
bookmarked that.
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Thought people might find this usefull, 27sf512 chips.
http://www.progshop.com/shop/chips/flash-eproms.html (http://www.progshop.com/shop/chips/flash-eproms.html)
bookmarked that.
+1 thx!
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what about parts for Hondata S300 Chipping Kit?
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BTW, i as looking for 27SF512 chips and i fount in Futurlec have this one:
http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml)
not sure if they are the same as 27SF512. ???
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I'm not sure what is included in the s300 chipping kit. I was under the impression it was a normally chipped ecu they used. I'm comparing datasheets between the chip you found at futurlec and the 27sf512 that I know works. But with a quick look i don't think they are the same.
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BTW, i as looking for 27SF512 chips and i fount in Futurlec have this one:
http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml)
not sure if they are the same as 27SF512. ???
i have a big supply of chips if you guys need to buy some....
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i have a big supply of chips if you guys need to buy some....
Thanks. I'm good with the amount i have now. I was just looking to see if people need them in the future and don't have to go through xeno and moates.
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BTW, i as looking for 27SF512 chips and i fount in Futurlec have this one:
http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml)
not sure if they are the same as 27SF512. ???
i have a big supply of chips if you guys need to buy some....
How much?
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BTW, i as looking for 27SF512 chips and i fount in Futurlec have this one:
http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/Memory/27512-200pr.shtml)
not sure if they are the same as 27SF512. ???
200 nanosecond memory = solid CEL. The factory chipped Honduhs ran 170 ns memory, but I've had issues with 150 ns stuff. You NEED 120 ns or better, and keep in mind that the last zero isn't always included in the part number so -20 is a 200 ns memory.
I believe 90 or 70 ns is the fastest these chips come in, and 250 the slowest (mostly old school 27C256 window chips), so don't thin a -25 is a screamer. :P
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i have a shit load but dude up here rapes me on them for $3 each and he has them at his house.
maybe if we go on a big ass group buy he will hook us up better.
let me know guys if youre interested. lets do this shit. pm me if you know how many you need.
Jay
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Need exact chip model, 300 pieces unless BRMS orders before i sync up with them.
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they are 27sf512's...
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I'm not sure what is included in the s300 chipping kit. I was under the impression it was a normally chipped ecu they used. I'm comparing datasheets between the chip you found at futurlec and the 27sf512 that I know works. But with a quick look i don't think they are the same.
different socket hondata shows the differences on their website
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http://hondata.com/help/smanager/index.html (http://hondata.com/help/smanager/index.html)
I just found 50 more 27sf512 ;D damn i ordered a lot couple years back
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aight. spoke to the dude. 2.50 each if we get 50 or more.
let me know guys. he has 88 left
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So the 27sf512 is no longer in production? Guess the maotes burner is going to be a thing of the past then
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my supplier gets them straight from china...
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Nice can I get overnighted dim sum too please?
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my supplier gets them straight from china...
I would say 50 are plenty for a few years at least. Your supplier might get them from suppliers in China, but unfortunately SST is the ones that stopped production of them. So as we are finding out suppliers still have some lying around. I do agree that the moates burner and William burners will be a thing of the past. I personally like the moates ostrich v.2.
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aight. spoke to the dude. 2.50 each if we get 50 or more.
let me know guys. he has 88 left
I want 10 shipped to 98370
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I bought all he had last night. Jay said he can get more, though, they just aren't in hand this second.
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I will send a 27sf512 to anybody that will send me a 74hc373. I need it to chip my OBD1 PR4, and I can't find it below 1$ ... and 25$ of chipping. Tabarnak.
Is there an equivalent to the 74hc373? Think of it give me your 1$ chip and I'll send you my 5$ 27sf512 ;)
Edit: the 27sf512 never been used and I need a 28pin socket too.
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You okay with chip in foam, in a regular envelope dropped in the USPS mailbox?
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Warped with carton and in foam in a regular envelope is ok if you are talking to me.
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PM your address. I won't be able to mail it until monday.
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Answer your PM Mr. Pressure-enthalpy conversion performance artist!
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bump nig nogs
I want to know what people use from digikey for IC14 when doing a 1720 board vtec conversion? seems the 5050 5151 variants are no more and the IR6220-ND hasn't been in digikey's catalog since '05. i'm no electronics genius so would this work:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?PName?Name=568%2D3550%2D5%2DND&Site=US&Lang=EN (http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?PName?Name=568%2D3550%2D5%2DND&Site=US&Lang=EN)
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si5151's here.
http://www.bdent.com/search/part.jsp?partnum=SI5151S (http://www.bdent.com/search/part.jsp?partnum=SI5151S)
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I want to know what people use from digikey for IC14
sorry, I guess I should have been a little more clear....
I have that site already
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The IR part number is still on the digi key site, you just have to cross refernce it from the old one you posted.
Try this one. ;)
IPS6031PBF-ND
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Just heard back from a supplier, and they can offer a much better price than bdent or the digikey equivalent. Genuine SI-5151S. Just have to order enough to make it worth while.
Who would be interested in getting some SI-5151s for about $2.5-$3 a piece?
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Thanks but i already have enough for what i need.
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I've got thirty or so left, but thanks for the offer.
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These bad boy's supposedly can replace the sst 27c512's and they are cheap as fuck. I havent tried one yet but you can get them through the middle man for less than $2 a piece.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130318489287&category=4663&refid=store (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130318489287&category=4663&refid=store)
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wonder if the moates burner will still be happy with them
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any updates on a replacement chip?
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I got teh chippzzz
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So do they work??
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So do they work??
yup...
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No they don't. Those chips burn and that's all - if they worked I wouldn't have to get up early in the mornings.
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No they don't. Those chips burn and that's all - if they worked I wouldn't have to get up early in the mornings.
dont even start
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I'll start alright. I have enough of these chips to start a small sweatshop, you'd think I'd be living the easy life skimming off the top of their hard work, yet all they do is lay there in their tubes. I tell them to wash the dishes, do some laundry, etc, but they just lay there. Hell, they won't even socket themselves even if I carry their lazy asses to the ECU.
Worst chips ever. :mexi:
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I'll start alright. I have enough of these chips to start a small sweatshop, you'd think I'd be living the easy life skimming off the top of their hard work, yet all they do is lay there in their tubes. I tell them to wash the dishes, do some laundry, etc, but they just lay there. Hell, they won't even socket themselves even if I carry their lazy asses to the ECU.
Worst chips ever. :mexi:
lol
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Any chance of reviving a possible group buy for chipping kits.
I'm looking at 20+ for me if we can get them for uber cheap. ;D
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Any chance of reviving a possible group buy for chipping kits.
I'm looking at 20+ for me if we can get them for uber cheap. ;D
i can ask paul from rd tech to see if we can get something going
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Any chance of reviving a possible group buy for chipping kits.
I'm looking at 20+ for me if we can get them for uber cheap. ;D
i can ask paul from rd tech to see if we can get something going
That be cool ;D
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http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=9864.0 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=9864.0)
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Paul is solid I ordered stuff from him. One problem was lack of fried rice in the package. besides that I got the stuff fast.
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Paul is solid I ordered stuff from him. One problem was lack of fried rice in the package. besides that I got the stuff fast.
usually when i pick up from paul, we meet at a panda express in elk grove.
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Elk grove is the Beverly hills of sacramento.
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here is an old reciept from digikey. i didnt buy the ZIF's but i have the part number for that too.
QTY Part Number Description Unit Price
20 1.0KEBK-ND RES 1.0K OHM 1/6W 5% CARBON FILM $1.04
40 399-4329-ND CAP .1UF 50V 10% CER RADIAL $6.28
20 ED5828-ND IC SOCKET 28PIN LOW PROFILE $40.16
25 296-1591-5-ND IC OCT TRANSP D LATCH 20-DIP $12.38
25 A1922-ND CONN HEADER VERT 4POS .100 TIN $3.41
Subtotal $63.27
ZIF Socket 28 pin A347-ND 6.50 each
the 28 pin dip socket part number dosent work anymore. is this a good replacement?
115-93-628-41-003000
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I like machine pins a LOT better than solder tails, but you doubled the price going for a low profile socket. Here's the same thing from the same company only in regular height which isn't at all tall to begin with:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=ED3728-ND (http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=ED3728-ND)
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Hi guys someone has complete list for vtec conversion and chipping kit please???
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