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General Category => Engine Management => Topic started by: lilpooh21186 on September 19, 2010, 10:23:28 PM
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While at the dyno ive been having issues using crome, this has only been for two cars but here is the issue, The vtec doesnt ingage on the vehicle's then they get the vtp code while, when id disengage the vtp signal through crome once updated the program pops up with a weird bug the cars get solid cel and the file goes corupted, The cars wont start ect. I have tried 2 diff demons and differnt ecu's as well both cars are using jdm vtec sol that dont utilize the pressure sensor.
The cars run as normal vtec wont ingage when i tried to open a new map the cars run fine when i have pasted the fuel and igniton values into the new map from the old tuned map the coruption comes back any tips on how to stop this BS???
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control panel > add or remove programs
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control panel > add or remove programs
Haha.
I still use it to this day and have o major issues with it.
Then again, I no longer toon other people's cars on it, and I don't make a shit ton of power.
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control panel > add or remove programs
I think you're just retarded, Blake. I've never had any major issues with Crome. Nothing a little digging around didn't fix. Seems to work fine for TONS of others too.
OP, try using an Ostrich. I don't have any experience using the demon with crome, but I'd be willing to bet it's something to do with that.
Also, have the car off when adding plug-ins. Plus, who still uses the regular roms? I've been using the Gold ROM and it works like magic.
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control panel > add or remove programs
I think you're just retarded, Blake. I've never had any major issues with Crome. Nothing a little digging around didn't fix. Seems to work fine for TONS of others too.
OP, try using an Ostrich. I don't have any experience using the demon with crome, but I'd be willing to bet it's something to do with that.
Also, have the car off when adding plug-ins. Plus, who still uses the regular roms? I've been using the Gold ROM and it works like magic.
i dont like issues at all. Which is why i have been through 3 managements and now stuck to one for customer cars. Whats wrong with offering my customers something i am confident in using and cutting them off from software that im not confident in?
I have no reason to go to a lower level management. It's not being retarded, its being confident that a product works as it should. I had already moved to better managements before Gold really came around.
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IM also a neptune dealer Where alot of my customers rather spend the extra 100 on fagdata then go with the demon and neptune although i do manage to pull some chip customers out of the deal.
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Nothing wrong with offering anything, but blatantly calling Crome a bad ROM editor due to your incompetence with it is stupid.
It works fine for MANY, just some individuals don't have the patience or care to fix random issues. So they call it garbage.
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by no meens am i raggin on crome just wondering if someone else is having the problem
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It's probably something to do with intellectual laziness, or plain stupidity.
control panel > add or remove programs
You're not any brighter.
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Reply |Joseph Davis to Blake
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Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap. FUCK YOU!!
Copy of GReddy_ e-manage_Ultimate.zap
1412K Download
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Joseph DavisDamn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap. FUCK YOU!!
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Reply |Blake Barr to me
show details Sep 9 (12 days ago)
i cant figure out how to get it as a zip. can you not send it compressed as a zip file?
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning
From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:04:54 PM
Subject: You are a Yahoo, actually.
Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap. FUCK YOU!!
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Reply |Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 9 (12 days ago)
Obviously not, which is why I changed the extension to .zap.
Lern2Google
Lern2Winderz
If this is the sort of shit that shuts you down you need to give up and do something else with your life.
kthxbai
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com> wrote:
i cant figure out how to get it as a zip. can you not send it compressed as a zip file?
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning
From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:04:54 PM
Subject: You are a Yahoo, actually.
Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap. FUCK YOU!!
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Reply |Blake Barr to me
show details Sep 9 (12 days ago)
i looked through google and only found programs i have to pay for.
thanks anyways.
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning
From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 1:41:43 PM
Subject: Re: You are a Yahoo, actually.
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Obviously not, which is why I changed the extension to .zap. Lern2GoogleLern2WinderzIf this is the sort of shit that shuts you down you need to give up and do something else with your life. kthxbai
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com> wrote:
i cant figure out how to get it as a zip. can you not send it compressed as a zip file?
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning
From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:04:54 PM
Subject: You are a Yahoo, actually.
Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap. FUCK YOU!!
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Reply |Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 9 (11 days ago)
Changing file extenstion, easy. Furthermore, basic computer literacy.
Pointing most freeware archival programs towards any archive and letting the program figure it out, easy.
Looking over the Greddy forum I linked to would reveal links to the software.
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On Sep 9, 2010 2:57 PM, "Blake Barr" <blakesvtec@yahoo.com> wrote:
i looked through google and only found programs i have to pay for.
thanks anyways.
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning
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From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@...
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 1:41:43 PM
Subject: Re: You are a Yahoo, actually.
Obviously not, which is why I changed the extension to .zap.
Lern2Google
Lern2Winderz
If this is ...
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Reply |Blake Barr to me
show details Sep 9 (11 days ago)
you never sent me a greddy link.
try sending the zip to my site email
blake@bbmoto.net
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning
Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 9 (11 days ago)
Check your spam folder? Re-Google? I'm out.
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It's really sad when the average enthusiast, or nothing special amateur tuner not flying a banner, that frequents this forum manages to do a better job with this shit than you two.
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HAHA oh shit.
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thanks for the help jd ;D once again you never fail at helping out.
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Nothing wrong with offering anything, but blatantly calling Crome a bad ROM editor due to your incompetence with it is stupid.
If I click a check box to disable a sensor, ELD and VTP to be specific, and it does not disable the sensor, I would call this a bad rom editor.
If I input vtec to engage at 5200 and it actually engages at 5400 and switches maps at a different point from when the vtec solenoid gets 12v from the ecu, I would call that a bad rom editor. (P72 Code)
Furthermore, if I disable something or add a plugin that renders the current file useless, I would call that a bad rom editor.
Non of these are due to incompetence, but actually due to the program's inability to function properly.
Crome would be a great rom editor if the attention to detail was made from the get go, but unfortunately it was not.
Carry on.
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thanks for the help jd ;D once again you never fail at helping out.
More like throwing my hands up in despair.
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Nothing wrong with offering anything, but blatantly calling Crome a bad ROM editor due to your incompetence with it is stupid.
If I click a check box to disable a sensor, ELD and VTP to be specific, and it does not disable the sensor, I would call this a bad rom editor.
VTP has always disabled for me. I've even tested to make sure it was enabled/disabled.
If I input vtec to engage at 5200 and it actually engages at 5400 and switches maps at a different point from when the vtec solenoid gets 12v from the ecu, I would call that a bad rom editor. (P72 Code)
Who uses P72 code? Everyone knows CROME had 99% of its support with the P30 code. Using anything else and expecting it to work is dumb and then calling the software trash because of it is retarded.
Furthermore, if I disable something or add a plugin that renders the current file useless, I would call that a bad rom editor.
Never had this issue.
Non of these are due to incompetence, but actually due to the program's inability to function properly.
Blake had idle issues, that was incompetence. I've gotten ALL cars I've tuned to idle perfectly.
Crome would be a great rom editor if the attention to detail was made from the get go, but unfortunately it was not.
Carry on.
I agree 100%.
I'm not saying its a great rom editor, but it does ENOUGH for what it is. SPECIALLY the free version. The quirks that is has CAN be worked around if you fiddle enough with it. It's not Neptune or eCtune, but hey, even AEM and S300 have their quirks. I wouldn't call either of those softwares trash because they both do a good job of running an engine safely and effectively.
Learn how to work within the boundaries of things.
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i never had idle issues, lets not going putting details in my mouth that you are not sure of sir. I stopped using crome back when ignition timing didnt work for shit, random bugs..etc. May have fixed other things but that one thing completely turned me away.
carry on and get your fucking facts straight.
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i never had idle issues, lets not going putting details in my mouth that you are not sure of sir. I stopped using crome back when ignition timing didnt work for shit, random bugs..etc. May have fixed other things but that one thing completely turned me away.
carry on and get your fucking facts straight.
You bitched to me about your idle issues on several occasions. It may have not been the reason you stopped using it, but I definitely remember you bitching about that.
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as far as i can remember, i never did.
idle issues was never been a reason for me to complain about crome.
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Are you calling me a liar, Blake?
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Speaking of idle issues...
A local shop owner implied that Skank9 Pro1s wouldn't idle worth a fuck on Crome. I beg to differ.
lol.
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Speaking of idle issues...
A local shop owner implied that Skank9 Pro1s wouldn't idle worth a fuck on Crome. I beg to differ.
lol.
Anyone that says Pro1's can't idle well at anything under 1000rpm is an idiot. I've seen Pro2's idle at 900rpm on a rather low compression motor. On Crome no less.
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Speaking of idle issues(I know it's not really what this thread is about) is there some info online about tuning idle? I always manage to get a decent idle, but I would like it to be better. I have noticed that my idle tuning is worse with Crome than anything else. I don't know if it's a real issue or lack of knowledge.
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Speaking of idle issues(I know it's not really what this thread is about) is there some info online about tuning idle? I always manage to get a decent idle, but I would like it to be better. I have noticed that my idle tuning is worse with Crome than anything else. I don't know if it's a real issue or lack of knowledge.
Injector battery offsets go a long way towards a stable idle no matter which management software you choose.
Injector size/age/architecture combined with whether the injector driver matches the injector or not is something to take into consideration as well. The DSM 450s on my ED hatch run though a resister box have issues with lean missfires at anything much over about 15:1 at idle. A big part of that is the ancient design ad the fact that They are designed to run with a peak and hold driver. Precise control at low pulsewidths is not going to happen. It's just a half-assed solution, but it can be made to work well enough.
The RDX injectors on my EJ hatch will happily run at 17-17.5:1 at idle without the slightest hint of a hiccup. It is a modern core run with a matching injector driver, and it makes a huge difference.
<awaits for JD to call me an idot because I am still bitching about my DSM 450s.>
:P
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If I input vtec to engage at 5200 and it actually engages at 5400 and switches maps at a different point from when the vtec solenoid gets 12v from the ecu, I would call that a bad rom editor. (P72 Code)
Who uses P72 code? Everyone knows CROME had 99% of its support with the P30 code. Using anything else and expecting it to work is dumb and then calling the software trash because of it is retarded.
The mantra of the Crome forum on pgmfi.org is "203 is the development ROM," has been for a very long time now. I haven't used Crome in 3+ years now, and that was the lay of the land then. With code being interchangeable, I see no reason why that would have changed.
Furthermore, if I disable something or add a plugin that renders the current file useless, I would call that a bad rom editor.
Never had this issue.
I've had it happen to me with Crome, Uberdata, once with eCtune. Never used Neptune but I'm sure I could get it to glitch on a long enough timeframe.
Non of these are due to incompetence, but actually due to the program's inability to function properly.
Blake had idle issues, that was incompetence. I've gotten ALL cars I've tuned to idle perfectly.
While this thread is titularly about Crome and it's shortcomings, the underlying current that Mr. Kerr seems unaware of is that the Junior Fumbler Crew is being taken to task.
even AEM and S300 have their quirks. I wouldn't call either of those softwares trash because they both do a good job of running an engine safely and effectively.
S300 is little better than Crome, Hondata has just polished over the obvious bugs and bought enough magazine adverts that sheep do not question. AEM, however, has fundimental issues NOT arising from the GEMS designed motherboard that is a form of awesome for a ten year old design, but from their complete inability to make 90% of the adapter boards that interface the GEMS standalone with whatever car you're plugging it into. Most of their electronics are borrowed designs, trash, or a mixture of the two.
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<awaits for JD to call me an idot because I am still bitching about my DSM 450s.>
I tuned a black top DSM 450 JRSC GSR setup yesterday, wideband lean burn worked great at an indicated 16:1 AFR. I've had similar out of blue tops. I've also been through a two sets of blue tops that had severe flow mismatch at prety much all loads/injector opening durations. They are 15+ year old cores, welcome to old used up shit.
I argue with you because it brings the best out of you, and you are not dumb.
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Are you calling me a liar, Blake?
for the most part. Never had a problem with an idle that i couldnt fix. I really didnt have many problems with crome other than experiencing random disconnects, not wanting to connect and other things that were annoying but easily delt with through other means. My biggest concern with crome with the ignition timing, which as of a few years ago was fixed. But by that time i had moved on. I haved used it since ~2005-2006 ish
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VTP has always disabled for me. I've even tested to make sure it was enabled/disabled.
And I am sure you tested the ELD disable as well.
Who uses P72 code? Everyone knows CROME had 99% of its support with the P30 code. Using anything else and expecting it to work is dumb and then calling the software trash because of it is retarded.
Interesting. So the software allows you access to something that doesn't work properly. But the software is not at fault, it is the user who expects it to work as advertised.
Blake had idle issues, that was incompetence. I've gotten ALL cars I've tuned to idle perfectly.
The idle quality of Crome is not nearly as good as other platforms when it comes to dialing in some of the more complicated cam/injector combos.
Learn how to work within the boundaries of things.
I don't like being bounded by an "incompetent" tuning program.
While this thread is titularly about Crome and it's shortcomings, the underlying current that Mr. Kerr seems unaware of is that the Junior Fumbler Crew is being taken to task.
O0
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Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata all have their quirks and issues. Some more than others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. All of these(and other) factory ecu code based tuning programs all have glitches. Its knowing what they are and being able to work around them.
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Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata all have their quirks and issues. Some more than others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. All of these(and other) factory ecu code based tuning programs all have glitches. Its knowing what they are and being able to work around them.
Sorry for being retarded, I don't know any better.
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When I have an idle problem it's always that it idles great, then out of nowhere it goes real lean. Then comes back and idles great. I'm having it right now with my own car. Stock z6 cam, vitara pistons and 65lb siemens injectors that are high imp.
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When I have an idle problem it's always that it idles great, then out of nowhere it goes real lean. Then comes back and idles great. I'm having it right now with my own car. Stock z6 cam, vitara pistons and 65lb siemens injectors that are high imp.
Have you logged battery and ELD voltage to see if there is a correlation between the instances where it leans out?
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Yes, I have. It doesn't seem to. It's very random, when it's good it doesn't care if any or all electrical accessories are on or off. The idle comes up a small amount when I turn on the headlights or blower motor, then drops back down when loads are off. It just seems to happen after about 10-15 seconds of good idle I get about 17:1 then like flicking a switch it goes back to 14-14.5:1
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Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata all have their quirks and issues. Some more than others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. All of these(and other) factory ecu code based tuning programs all have glitches. Its knowing what they are and being able to work around them.
Sorry for being retarded, I don't know any better.
So you feel that one of the 4 out of Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata is perfect and doesnt have any quirks or issues?You seem like smart guy, so i want to hear your thoughts on this subject.
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what i take from it is, having used all 4 of the stated programs ive had small problems with them all but Ectune Neptune & hondata i have always traced it back to something i did or was doing wrong my problem with crome just came up out of the blue. Ive been creating maps the same for the past 4 years IDK why i had issues this past week but after a good old uninstall and reinstall everything is peachie, 8).
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Well, my problem seemed to be ostrich related. I burned a chip and it idles perfect. I should learn to take my own advice since I just suggested the same thing.
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So you feel that one of the 4 out of Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata is perfect and doesnt have any quirks or issues?You seem like smart guy, so i want to hear your thoughts on this subject.
I think we may be talking about two different things here.
If we are talking about the software having some quirks/connectivity/logging problems, then sure they all have little things that could be improved upon. Some more than others.
But if we are talking about the actual code base that is running the car and the interaction between the ecu firmware and the software, then yes, there are clear "winners" in that category. When you disable/enable/change ANYTHING in NepTune/Hondata you know it is going to work. There are VERY few cases where you would have to second guess yourself if something is actually working like advertised.
Now granted, I actually went through the code (with some help) and applied all the fixes to Crome that really bugged me and now it actually works the way I would like. So I know these things aren't impossible to be changed or fixed, it just takes some extra time in development to make sure everything is working in the software. But I stopped using it to tune customer's cars back in 05-06 at the latest.
And if you guys think I am trying to "hate" on the freeware systems or whatever, I might come off like that. But I can assure you that I have enough time immersed in the subject to give you guys an honest opinion on each code base. I have been the only one working on the Uberdata project for the past 3 years.. with the newest version of Uberdata, you can data log any Crome tuned ecu with it. But without the source code that was the furthest I could go.
I also created a new software called Uber Edit that I never released. It is a new look to the Uberdata software, adds more support for emulation and logging. It actually has a nice working map trace, and expandable tables up to 20 x 20. I just feel that there are too many Honda Rom editors out there, to throw another one into the mix.
I am a pgmfi/freeware guy at heart, but I know when the real development stopped over there that the program's productivity and "bug fixes" went with it. When I saw this happening, that is the time when I made the switch to something that was worth the time for me and my customers, and I will never go back to tuning with anything else.
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well said
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When you disable/enable/change ANYTHING in NepTune/Hondata you know it is going to work. There are VERY few cases where you would have to second guess yourself if something is actually working like advertised.
I don't know, the fundimental Crome timing issues still existed in S300 the last time I touched one ~1 year ago only without the ability to disable them. Lock the timing and watch it drift. Ever loaded the car w/ locked timing out of curiousity? Hrmmmm.
I have been the only one working on the Uberdata project for the past 3 years.. with the newest version of Uberdata, you can data log any Crome tuned ecu with it. But without the source code that was the furthest I could go.
I talk to Warner on and off, I just asked him if he'd kick you the source. I don't see any reason why he would not, unless he's lost it. Waiting to hear back.
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I don't know, the fundimental Crome timing issues still existed in S300 the last time I touched one ~1 year ago only without the ability to disable them. Lock the timing and watch it drift. Ever loaded the car w/ locked timing out of curiousity? Hrmmmm.
The timing "drift" will be there regardless of the system you use, it is in the underlying ignition code. NepTune is the only one that allows you to disable the ignition adjustments, and it does stay locked to the table when you disable the adjustments. (I have done this on the dyno and the results are scary! :P)
Last time I checked the Crome "fix" only lifted the lower limitation on the high cam ignition timing, but doesn't alleviate the problem all together.
I talk to Warner on and off, I just asked him if he'd kick you the source. I don't see any reason why he would not, unless he's lost it. Waiting to hear back.
I have talked to him a good bit the past few years on and off as well. He doesn't have a complete source code for the program anymore. The only source I have is VERY incomplete, emulation was not finished and the built in assembly code was still being worked on in the versions that I have.
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So you feel that one of the 4 out of Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata is perfect and doesnt have any quirks or issues?You seem like smart guy, so i want to hear your thoughts on this subject.
I think we may be talking about two different things here.
If we are talking about the software having some quirks/connectivity/logging problems, then sure they all have little things that could be improved upon. Some more than others.
But if we are talking about the actual code base that is running the car and the interaction between the ecu firmware and the software, then yes, there are clear "winners" in that category. When you disable/enable/change ANYTHING in NepTune/Hondata you know it is going to work. There are VERY few cases where you would have to second guess yourself if something is actually working like advertised.
I think we are on the same page, just different points. My original post wasn't directed towards you. It was a generality for anyone using a stock ecu code based tuning medium, the user should expect/know their will be quirks. I'm not sticking up for freeware/crome by any means. I havent used crome since 05. Ectune, Netptune, and S300 are all "stable" and "work".
When i wrote about them not being perfect i was talking about the little quirks they have, but the main issue i was thinking of are the timing issues. We both agree that is because of the factory code, but none of them are 100% accurate, if there is any "feature" of a tuning system that needs to be perfect thats it. Perfect means just that, perfect. Anything but isn't, so its not.
Ectune also has the ign disable adjustments like Neptune. I've been an authorized eCtune from the beginning and have helped to alot of testing, and its very good but not 100% perfect, but as a end user i know its not "perfect" and dont expect it to be. James has taken out the indiviual ign cylinder trims beacuse its not 100% pefect, because thats what he expects in his product even though alot of users would like to have that feature back. I have a huge amount of respect for him because of that.
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They may not work correctly, but they work bottom line. Warning users of flaws is one thing, removing them completely is a mistake. It's not like a timing belt engine is particularly precise, it's an averaging out of individual combustion events.
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They may not work correctly, but they work bottom line. Warning users of flaws is one thing, removing them completely is a mistake. It's not like a timing belt engine is particularly precise, it's an averaging out of individual combustion events.
Yeah man a few weeks back I had a pretty awesome experiance with a drag racing mustang that ran an MSD Ignition that uses a simple program to tune ignition curves per gear.
It was great I could program the curve and then have someone drive the car on the dyno and watch the timing marks on the Balancer It worked flawlessly and it's so simple it hurts. I have to say thats their is alot to be said for simplicity and function.
Tuning a honda is like trying to fuck an oiled up fat girl in the dark you think its in the hole but it just might not be.
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7135?
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7135?
I don't know the owner had a laptop on the car all I had to do was go push some buttons I really didn't have to full with the hardware any. That car was scary dude it revs to 9k!
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Tuning a honda is like trying to fuck an oiled up fat girl in the dark you think its in the hole but it just might not be.
Dennis can hit the hole... even while drunk. Issac is living proof.
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Tuning a honda is like trying to fuck an oiled up fat girl in the dark you think its in the hole but it just might not be.
Dennis can hit the hole... even while drunk. Issac is living proof.
Exactly. Hey is your front door locked? Are you sure. I think the rear passenger Door on the Wagovan is unlock as well I noticed that this morning when I picked you up.