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[lilpooh21186]

While at the dyno ive been having issues using crome, this has only been for two cars but here is the issue, The vtec doesnt ingage on the vehicle's then they get the vtp code while, when id disengage the vtp signal through crome once updated the program pops up with a weird bug the cars get solid cel and the file goes corupted, The cars wont start ect. I have tried 2 diff demons and differnt ecu's as well both cars are using jdm vtec sol that dont utilize the pressure sensor.

The cars run as normal vtec wont ingage when i tried to open a new map the cars run fine when i have pasted the fuel and igniton values into the  new map from the old tuned map the coruption comes back any tips on how to stop this BS???

[98vtec]

control panel > add or remove programs

[snm95ls]

control panel > add or remove programs

Haha.

I still use it to this day and have o major issues with it.

Then again, I no longer toon other people's cars on it, and I don't make a shit ton of power.

 

[d112crzy]

control panel > add or remove programs

I think you're just retarded, Blake. I've never had any major issues with Crome. Nothing a little digging around didn't fix. Seems to work fine for TONS of others too.

OP, try using an Ostrich. I don't have any experience using the demon with crome, but I'd be willing to bet it's something to do with that.

Also, have the car off when adding plug-ins. Plus, who still uses the regular roms? I've been using the Gold ROM and it works like magic.

[98vtec]

control panel > add or remove programs

I think you're just retarded, Blake. I've never had any major issues with Crome. Nothing a little digging around didn't fix. Seems to work fine for TONS of others too.

OP, try using an Ostrich. I don't have any experience using the demon with crome, but I'd be willing to bet it's something to do with that.

Also, have the car off when adding plug-ins. Plus, who still uses the regular roms? I've been using the Gold ROM and it works like magic.

i dont like issues at all.  Which is why i have been through 3 managements and now stuck to one for customer cars.  Whats wrong with offering my customers something i am confident in using and cutting them off from software that im not confident in?

I have no reason to go to a lower level management.  It's not being retarded, its being confident that a product works as it should.  I had already moved to better managements before Gold really came around.

[lilpooh21186]

IM also a neptune dealer Where alot of my customers rather spend the extra 100 on fagdata then go with the demon and neptune although i do manage to pull some chip customers out of the deal.

[d112crzy]

Nothing wrong with offering anything, but blatantly calling Crome a bad ROM editor due to your incompetence with it is stupid.

It works fine for MANY, just some individuals don't have the patience or care to fix random issues. So they call it garbage.

[lilpooh21186]

by no meens am i raggin on crome just wondering if someone else is having the problem

[Joseph Davis]

It's probably something to do with intellectual laziness, or plain stupidity. 

control panel > add or remove programs

You're not any brighter.

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 Reply |Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 7 (13 days ago)

Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap.  FUCK YOU!!

Copy of GReddy_ e-manage_Ultimate.zap
1412K   Download   

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Joseph DavisDamn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap. FUCK YOU!!
Sep 7 (13 days ago)


 Reply |Blake Barr to me
show details Sep 9 (12 days ago)

i cant figure out how to get it as a zip.  can you not send it compressed as a zip file?
 
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning






From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:04:54 PM
Subject: You are a Yahoo, actually.



Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap.  FUCK YOU!!


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 Reply |Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 9 (12 days ago)

Obviously not, which is why I changed the extension to .zap.
 
Lern2Google
Lern2Winderz
If this is the sort of shit that shuts you down you need to give up and do something else with your life.
 
kthxbai


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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com> wrote:
i cant figure out how to get it as a zip.  can you not send it compressed as a zip file?
 Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning



From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:04:54 PM
Subject: You are a Yahoo, actually.

Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap.  FUCK YOU!!


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 Reply |Blake Barr to me
show details Sep 9 (12 days ago)

i looked through google and only found programs i have to pay for.


thanks anyways.
 
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning






From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>

Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 1:41:43 PM
Subject: Re: You are a Yahoo, actually.

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Obviously not, which is why I changed the extension to .zap. Lern2GoogleLern2WinderzIf this is the sort of shit that shuts you down you need to give up and do something else with your life. kthxbai

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com> wrote:
i cant figure out how to get it as a zip.  can you not send it compressed as a zip file?
 Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning



From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>
To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:04:54 PM
Subject: You are a Yahoo, actually.

Damn Yahoos know that it's a zip, not a zap.  FUCK YOU!!




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 Reply |Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 9 (11 days ago)

Changing file extenstion, easy. Furthermore, basic computer literacy.
Pointing most freeware archival programs towards any archive and letting the program figure it out, easy.
Looking over the Greddy forum I linked to would reveal links to the software.

On Sep 9, 2010 2:57 PM, "Blake Barr" <blakesvtec@yahoo.com> wrote:


i looked through google and only found programs i have to pay for.


thanks anyways.
 

Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning



________________________________
From: Joseph Davis <pgmfielf@gmail.com>

To: Blake Barr <blakesvtec@...
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 1:41:43 PM
Subject: Re: You are a Yahoo, actually.


Obviously not, which is why I changed the extension to .zap.
 
Lern2Google
Lern2Winderz

If this is ...


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 Reply |Blake Barr to me
show details Sep 9 (11 days ago)

you never sent me a greddy link.


try sending the zip to my site email


blake@bbmoto.net
 
Blake Barr
Florida State University
XXX Performance Tuning

Joseph Davis to Blake
show details Sep 9 (11 days ago)

Check your spam folder?  Re-Google?  I'm out.
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It's really sad when the average enthusiast, or nothing special amateur tuner not flying a banner, that frequents this forum manages to do a better job with this shit than you two. 

[d112crzy]

HAHA oh shit.

[lilpooh21186]

thanks for the help jd ;D once again you never fail at helping out.

[93turbo16]

Nothing wrong with offering anything, but blatantly calling Crome a bad ROM editor due to your incompetence with it is stupid.

If I click a check box to disable a sensor, ELD and VTP to be specific, and it does not disable the sensor, I would call this a bad rom editor.

If I input vtec to engage at 5200 and it actually engages at 5400 and switches maps at a different point from when the vtec solenoid gets 12v from the ecu, I would call that a bad rom editor. (P72 Code)

Furthermore, if I disable something or add a plugin that renders the current file useless, I would call that a bad rom editor.

Non of these are due to incompetence, but actually due to the program's inability to function properly.

Crome would be a great rom editor if the attention to detail was made from the get go, but unfortunately it was not.

Carry on.

[Joseph Davis]

thanks for the help jd ;D once again you never fail at helping out.

More like throwing my hands up in despair.

[d112crzy]

Nothing wrong with offering anything, but blatantly calling Crome a bad ROM editor due to your incompetence with it is stupid.

If I click a check box to disable a sensor, ELD and VTP to be specific, and it does not disable the sensor, I would call this a bad rom editor.

VTP has always disabled for me. I've even tested to make sure it was enabled/disabled.

If I input vtec to engage at 5200 and it actually engages at 5400 and switches maps at a different point from when the vtec solenoid gets 12v from the ecu, I would call that a bad rom editor. (P72 Code)

Who uses P72 code? Everyone knows CROME had 99% of its support with the P30 code. Using anything else and expecting it to work is dumb and then calling the software trash because of it is retarded.

Furthermore, if I disable something or add a plugin that renders the current file useless, I would call that a bad rom editor.

Never had this issue.

Non of these are due to incompetence, but actually due to the program's inability to function properly.

Blake had idle issues, that was incompetence. I've gotten ALL cars I've tuned to idle perfectly.

Crome would be a great rom editor if the attention to detail was made from the get go, but unfortunately it was not.

Carry on.

I agree 100%.

I'm not saying its a great rom editor, but it does ENOUGH for what it is. SPECIALLY the free version. The quirks that is has CAN be worked around if you fiddle enough with it. It's not Neptune or eCtune, but hey, even AEM and S300 have their quirks. I wouldn't call either of those softwares trash because they both do a good job of running an engine safely and effectively.

Learn how to work within the boundaries of things.

[98vtec]

i never had idle issues, lets not going putting details in my mouth that you are not sure of sir.  I stopped using crome back when ignition timing didnt work for shit, random bugs..etc.  May have fixed other things but that one thing completely turned me away.

carry on and get your fucking facts straight. 

[d112crzy]

i never had idle issues, lets not going putting details in my mouth that you are not sure of sir.  I stopped using crome back when ignition timing didnt work for shit, random bugs..etc.  May have fixed other things but that one thing completely turned me away.

carry on and get your fucking facts straight. 

You bitched to me about your idle issues on several occasions. It may have not been the reason you stopped using it, but I definitely remember you bitching about that.

[98vtec]

as far as i can remember, i never did.


idle issues was never been a reason for me to complain about crome.

[d112crzy]

Are you calling me a liar, Blake?

[snm95ls]

Speaking of idle issues...

A local shop owner implied that Skank9 Pro1s wouldn't idle worth a fuck on Crome.  I beg to differ. 

lol.

[d112crzy]

Speaking of idle issues...

A local shop owner implied that Skank9 Pro1s wouldn't idle worth a fuck on Crome.  I beg to differ. 

lol.

Anyone that says Pro1's can't idle well at anything under 1000rpm is an idiot. I've seen Pro2's idle at 900rpm on a rather low compression motor. On Crome no less.

[PhilStubbs]

Speaking of idle issues(I know it's not really what this thread is about) is there some info online about tuning idle? I always manage to get a decent idle, but I would like it to be better. I have noticed that my idle tuning is worse with Crome than anything else. I don't know if it's a real issue or lack of knowledge.

[snm95ls]

Speaking of idle issues(I know it's not really what this thread is about) is there some info online about tuning idle? I always manage to get a decent idle, but I would like it to be better. I have noticed that my idle tuning is worse with Crome than anything else. I don't know if it's a real issue or lack of knowledge.

Injector battery offsets go a long way towards a stable idle no matter which management software you choose.

Injector size/age/architecture combined with whether the injector driver matches the injector or not is something to take into consideration as well.  The DSM 450s on my ED hatch run though a resister box have issues with lean missfires at anything much over about 15:1 at idle.  A big part of that is the ancient design ad the fact that They are designed to run with a peak and hold driver.  Precise control at low pulsewidths is not going to happen.  It's just a half-assed solution, but it can be made to work well enough.

The RDX injectors on my EJ hatch will happily run at 17-17.5:1 at idle without the slightest hint of a hiccup.  It is a modern core run with a matching injector driver, and it makes a huge difference.

<awaits for JD to call me an idot because I am still bitching about my DSM 450s.>

 

[Joseph Davis]

If I input vtec to engage at 5200 and it actually engages at 5400 and switches maps at a different point from when the vtec solenoid gets 12v from the ecu, I would call that a bad rom editor. (P72 Code)

Who uses P72 code? Everyone knows CROME had 99% of its support with the P30 code. Using anything else and expecting it to work is dumb and then calling the software trash because of it is retarded.

The mantra of the Crome forum on pgmfi.org is "203 is the development ROM," has been for a very long time now.  I haven't used Crome in 3+ years now, and that was the lay of the land then.  With code being interchangeable, I see no reason why that would have changed.

Furthermore, if I disable something or add a plugin that renders the current file useless, I would call that a bad rom editor.

Never had this issue.

I've had it happen to me with Crome, Uberdata, once with eCtune.  Never used Neptune but I'm sure I could get it to glitch on a long enough timeframe. 

Non of these are due to incompetence, but actually due to the program's inability to function properly.

Blake had idle issues, that was incompetence.  I've gotten ALL cars I've tuned to idle perfectly.

While this thread is titularly about Crome and it's shortcomings, the underlying current that Mr. Kerr seems unaware of is that the Junior Fumbler Crew is being taken to task. 

even AEM and S300 have their quirks. I wouldn't call either of those softwares trash because they both do a good job of running an engine safely and effectively.

S300 is little better than Crome, Hondata has just polished over the obvious bugs and bought enough magazine adverts that sheep do not question.  AEM, however, has fundimental issues NOT arising from the GEMS designed motherboard that is a form of awesome for a ten year old design, but from their complete inability to make 90% of the adapter boards that interface the GEMS standalone with whatever car you're plugging it into.  Most of their electronics are borrowed designs, trash, or a mixture of the two.

[Joseph Davis]

<awaits for JD to call me an idot because I am still bitching about my DSM 450s.>

I tuned a black top DSM 450 JRSC GSR setup yesterday, wideband lean burn worked great at an indicated 16:1 AFR.  I've had similar out of blue tops.  I've also been through a two sets of blue tops that had severe flow mismatch at prety much all loads/injector opening durations.  They are 15+ year old cores, welcome to old used up shit.

I argue with you because it brings the best out of you, and you are not dumb.

[98vtec]

Are you calling me a liar, Blake?

for the most part.  Never had a problem with an idle that i couldnt fix.  I really didnt have many problems with crome other than experiencing random disconnects, not wanting to connect and other things that were annoying but easily delt with through other means.  My biggest concern with crome with the ignition timing, which as of a few years ago was fixed.  But by that time i had moved on.  I haved used it since ~2005-2006 ish

[93turbo16]

VTP has always disabled for me. I've even tested to make sure it was enabled/disabled.

And I am sure you tested the ELD disable as well.

Who uses P72 code? Everyone knows CROME had 99% of its support with the P30 code. Using anything else and expecting it to work is dumb and then calling the software trash because of it is retarded.

Interesting. So the software allows you access to something that doesn't work properly. But the software is not at fault, it is the user who expects it to work as advertised.

Blake had idle issues, that was incompetence. I've gotten ALL cars I've tuned to idle perfectly.

The idle quality of Crome is not nearly as good as other platforms when it comes to dialing in some of the more complicated cam/injector combos.

Learn how to work within the boundaries of things.

I don't like being bounded by an "incompetent" tuning program.

While this thread is titularly about Crome and it's shortcomings, the underlying current that Mr. Kerr seems unaware of is that the Junior Fumbler Crew is being taken to task. 

 

[sewell94]

Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata all have their quirks and issues. Some more than others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. All of these(and other) factory ecu code based tuning programs all have glitches. Its knowing what they are and being able to work around them.

[93turbo16]

Crome, Neptune, Ectune and Hondata all have their quirks and issues. Some more than others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. All of these(and other) factory ecu code based tuning programs all have glitches. Its knowing what they are and being able to work around them.

Sorry for being retarded, I don't know any better.

[PhilStubbs]

When I have an idle problem it's always that it idles great, then out of nowhere it goes real lean. Then comes back and idles great. I'm having it right now with my own car. Stock z6 cam, vitara pistons and 65lb siemens injectors that are high imp.

[93turbo16]

When I have an idle problem it's always that it idles great, then out of nowhere it goes real lean. Then comes back and idles great. I'm having it right now with my own car. Stock z6 cam, vitara pistons and 65lb siemens injectors that are high imp.

Have you logged battery and ELD voltage to see if there is a correlation between the instances where it leans out?