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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: PhilStubbs on November 13, 2011, 04:33:02 PM

Title: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 13, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
but i like this one. i still doubt it will take off, but i like it anyway

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2011/09/08/duke-engines-5-cylinder-4-stroke-3-injector-valveless-axial-engine/ (http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2011/09/08/duke-engines-5-cylinder-4-stroke-3-injector-valveless-axial-engine/)
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: flat_black on November 13, 2011, 04:38:24 PM
pretty neat, sounds cool too, i wonder why nothing ever comes of these inventions that people come up with, is the gasoline engine we have now really the best thing out there?
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: 92CXyD on November 13, 2011, 04:42:14 PM
Interesting design, problem I see is the added complexity.  :noel:
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 13, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
i think what we have now is so cheap to manufacture compared to something new like this and thats why it sticks around. i think people would also be scared off if they had a choice between buying a car with this engine and one with a conventional engine. kinda like the rotary, they werent big sellers and rightly so. who wants to mix oil into their gas at the gas station. lol
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: snm95ls on November 13, 2011, 05:07:52 PM
That is pretty damn rad.

Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: slappynuts on November 13, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
Where are you guys getting this extra complexity from? There is zero valvetrain. Looks pretty simple to me.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: snm95ls on November 13, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
Where are you guys getting this extra complexity from? There is zero valvetrain. Looks pretty simple to me.

Because it doesn't use a standard ICE engine configuration, duh.

 :P
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: klyph on November 13, 2011, 05:25:12 PM
The head gasket is now a moving combustion seal just like the piston rings. I'd like to see how long it runs before that seal fails.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 13, 2011, 06:05:36 PM
the only thing i see complicated is the "headgasket" but if they have a solid plan for that, then everything else is simple. everything can have roller bearings so there is no need for oil pressure. there is a lot moving, but not a lot of moving parts, its just a big chunk that looks complicated but its pretty simple. valve float, coil bind, broken valves, and piston/ valve contact are all non issues. you could boost the hell out of it and rev it to the moon.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: j.h.christ on November 13, 2011, 07:40:49 PM
the reason none of these designs make it to market is because of the people that have billions wrapped up in oil and traditional internal combustion engines.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: klyph on November 13, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Uh this is an ICE.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: j.h.christ on November 13, 2011, 08:08:32 PM
Uh this is an ICE.

no shit?
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: SQ is the SQUAD on November 13, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
how much boost can it handle?
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 13, 2011, 08:37:58 PM
10 pounds on a duke will turn ya out!!!
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: highroller54 on November 13, 2011, 09:53:07 PM
its a gm ac compressor  :P
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: dvst8r on November 13, 2011, 11:45:16 PM
its a gm ac compressor  :P

LOL, it's true.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: snm95ls on November 14, 2011, 12:02:32 AM
Uh this is an ICE.

no shit?
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: klyph on November 14, 2011, 03:58:37 AM
No shit brah, for realsies.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: HiProfile on November 14, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
The head gasket is now a moving combustion seal just like the piston rings. I'd like to see how long it runs before that seal fails.

I was thinking that too, since they don't mention "matching conventional reliability" anywhere. However I would imagine a bearing-like surface with oil fed onto it with a rubber seal. It probably has the same rotational speed as a large rear main seal on a larger engine, and they don't feed those oil, nearly all are just splash lubed.

The complexity is the parts themselves, but when you have 1/3 the parts that need 2x the machining, you've saved 1/3 of the machining time/costs. They already use a similar type of "pump" in some car's air conditioner compressors. The even cooler part about that, some of those compressors are variable-compression.
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: 2slow on November 14, 2011, 05:40:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LrmLHOUpg&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LrmLHOUpg&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
this one seems pretty cool as well
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: 92CXyD on November 14, 2011, 06:16:46 PM
also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRhxctg5mns&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRhxctg5mns&feature=related)

If ya speak German reminds me of some previously posted mighty mite engine.   
Title: Re: I normally think new engine designs are stupid
Post by: snm95ls on November 14, 2011, 09:37:57 PM
The head gasket is now a moving combustion seal just like the piston rings. I'd like to see how long it runs before that seal fails.

I was thinking that too, since they don't mention "matching conventional reliability" anywhere. However I would imagine a bearing-like surface with oil fed onto it with a rubber seal. It probably has the same rotational speed as a large rear main seal on a larger engine, and they don't feed those oil, nearly all are just splash lubed.

The complexity is the parts themselves, but when you have 1/3 the parts that need 2x the machining, you've saved 1/3 of the machining time/costs. They already use a similar type of "pump" in some car's air conditioner compressors. The even cooler part about that, some of those compressors are variable-displacement.
;)