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General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2011, 02:27:03 PM

Title: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2011, 02:27:03 PM
i cant find a build thread anywhere about this car, but all of the pics have good explanations. a lot of things he did are going way overboard, but its a badass build

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45424931@N05/sets/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/45424931@N05/sets/)
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: 92CXyD on November 19, 2011, 02:33:36 PM
Flowbench (http://www.flickr.com/photos/45424931@N05/4229824309/#)

Check his explanation of it and the use of mp63 down low on the bench.  :noel:

ECU Main Unit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/45424931@N05/4281145944/#)

Check the ECU he has built also.  :noel:
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: shadow on November 19, 2011, 03:56:22 PM
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I reversed the Honda's crank rotation for compatibility with the Porsche transaxle. I revised the cam timing, removed the stock oil pump, added an external pump and rerouted the timing belt to place the slack side around the idler pulley. Used a 6 tooth shorter belt from a Suzuki Swift. The oil pump is now where the distributor used to be. I then replaced the distributor with a wasted-spark coil pack which is driven by my custom ECU. Stock water pump has been replaced with a Meziere electric pump.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2720%2F4213923501_7d65626faf.jpg&hash=b3910ebac51d55cca502e07c4c21d8ec7d927588)

if he would make some sort of cover and placed the plate on there, that be perfect. lol.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: krazy4 on November 19, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
Some crazy stuff going on with that bug.

I like that he kept the pea shooter exhaust too.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 19, 2011, 08:05:22 PM
That bug is WIN!
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: slappynuts on November 19, 2011, 08:11:59 PM
OOOOOOH honda. Fap fap fap  ;DDD
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 19, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
He did all that work to achieve the power that a stock LS would reliably?

I like how he got medieval with the head work, some very good theory there, but to use LS cams = meh.  And retain the LS intake...?  Also, huge lack of resolution on his magnetic trigger affair, and the different polarity trigger affair is very SDS. 
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2011, 10:46:19 PM
Yea, tons of overkill on some, under kill on others. It's cool to see all of the shit he did himself though
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 20, 2011, 07:10:01 AM
Yeah, the car itself is beautiful.  I'm not usually up on style bits, but the pop out headlights are cool.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: michigan_soler on November 20, 2011, 09:36:17 AM
why go through all the work of changing the motor rotation when all you have to do is flip the ring and you can turn the trans around...

kennedy enginneering sells an adapter to hook the trans to the d-series...
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
I wondered the same thing about reversing the rotation. Back when I was into the aircooled VW stuff, I was considering making it mid engine and just flipping the diff. They say it's pretty simple
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: highroller54 on November 20, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
why go through all the work of changing the motor rotation when all you have to do is flip the ring and you can turn the trans around...

kennedy enginneering sells an adapter to hook the trans to the d-series...

I know thats easy to do with the bug trans but he has a porshe 914 trans, are they the same deal?
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: HiProfile on November 21, 2011, 11:08:25 AM
If nothing else, I think it's interesting to see that B's can be run CW in reverse rotation. So I guess that old rumor of the CW H22 wasn't so unusual.

What I don't get is he went so far to make it CW, then used a custom EMS. He easily could have used a K-series with that EMS, but with much less work to the engine. Hell a J37 with aluminum cyl liners wouldn't be much heavier than all the turbo & vac/oil pump parts, but have all that extra torque.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 21, 2011, 11:13:25 AM
I saw a B run CW a few years ago. If I remember right it only had the oil pump and cams modified. I don't see how the ecu knows a difference which way the distributor spins.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 21, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
If nothing else, I think it's interesting to see that B's can be run CW in reverse rotation. So I guess that old rumor of the CW H22 wasn't so unusual.

Pelegri Didier did it almost a decade ago.  Nothing new to see here.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: michigan_soler on November 24, 2011, 09:22:04 AM
why go through all the work of changing the motor rotation when all you have to do is flip the ring and you can turn the trans around...

kennedy enginneering sells an adapter to hook the trans to the d-series...

I know thats easy to do with the bug trans but he has a porshe 914 trans, are they the same deal?

both trans are basicly the same design, but ive never pulled one apart to make sure but its gotta be easier then changing the motor....
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Foowee on December 19, 2011, 03:14:29 AM
I respect this build for the diy labor, but this fool is obviously an engineer.  Over complicated to impractical levels for mediocre results...   :-\
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: t_cel_t on December 19, 2011, 04:24:24 AM
I respect this build for the diy labor, but this fool is obviously an engineer.  Over complicated to impractical levels for mediocre results...   :-\
he built his own ems! wat
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Foowee on December 19, 2011, 04:57:46 AM
Yup he did...  and as I stated, I can appreciate that.  That's a lot of fucking work for only 300whooptieshithorsepowers. 

If this guy could take his excessively complex head out of his ass, this could have been a much faster & cost effective build.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 19, 2011, 07:34:25 AM
I'm pretty sure a 300whp bug is fast enough for most middle aged men.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: Ntrain2k on December 19, 2011, 07:37:07 AM
I'm pretty sure a 300whp bug is fast enough for most middle aged men.

 :noel:
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: TurboVFR on December 20, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
I like this better.


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Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on December 20, 2011, 05:47:07 PM
You do seem to like failboats
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: TurboVFR on December 20, 2011, 10:50:38 PM
You have no love for a built 4G in a 911? Not something I'd do personally, but I think its pretty cool.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on December 20, 2011, 11:16:30 PM
The point wasn't the Honda engine in the beetle. It was all of the fab work and interesting solutions to the odd problems.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: malichite on December 21, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
4g = fail
4g didn't require engineering to make it run backwards, just an adapter plate
The ingenuity in that porsche I would consider on par with putting  a v8 in a jeep or a j series in a honda.  Meh,
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: TurboVFR on December 21, 2011, 03:19:55 PM
I get what you guys are saying, and I'll be honest, I didn't pay it a bit of attention. I completely ignored it because I ASSumed it would be the same retarded nonsense that 'VW' crossed with 'Honda' implied it would be. But.. It was pretty sweet, the guy is obviously at minimum a part time engineer of some sort that has access to CNC equipment and whatever else.

You can liken a 4G Porsche to a v8 jeep, but I could grasp your point without the over exaggeration.. I'm totally used to hearing about how garbage the 4G is being that I've owned 7 in the past 11 years. I've seen several prime examples myself, but thats true of every brand.. I don't discriminate, I like it all, except for pure acts of faggotry like kitted out neons, galants, accords on chopped springs and stock exhaust manifolds, with the "front mount intake".
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: highroller54 on December 21, 2011, 04:02:32 PM
I love cocks in and around my mouth and ass

faggot  :?:
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: TurboVFR on December 21, 2011, 06:15:58 PM
Only when its your moms, sweetcheeks.
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: PhilStubbs on December 21, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
He will get along with buk and n/a mike just fine
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: TurboVFR on December 21, 2011, 07:29:04 PM
Goddamnit, I've been here a few days and already know those guys are fags. I'm gonna go burn myself with a propane torch now. :-[
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: malichite on December 21, 2011, 08:01:03 PM
Hit yourself in the face with a hatchet and film it!
Title: Re: old beetle with turbo b20
Post by: NoPistons! on April 09, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Fuck yeah.  Youtube 1,000,000 likes right there melonfarmer!

I'm a fan of crazy swaps.  That is a very creative build.   Wonder if they used chromoly or dom for all that tube fab.  It's baller none the less.