:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: thagreenteam on October 01, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
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I figured I would start a thread to give me motivation to get things done to my car.
I have grown to become VERY cheap, and lazy with my build. I won't even buy anything that's $20 without questioning it so much that I won't even go through with it.
SO, hopefully I can get get some motivation from seeing what is NOT done so far and from you guys.
I let the picture do the talking for now and I explain what's left afterwards.
As it sits: Engine bay getting prepped for a white paint job.
Don't mind the fuel tanks
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cleaned trans and rear diff
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DIY rt4wd short(er) throw shifter. (Thanks to Gizmo (http://"http://www.civicwagon.com/member.php?3300-Gizmo") for this idea.)
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LCA, knuckles, RTA painted gloss black
(cross member sprayed as a durability test piece
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Speedfactory style vented VC
My aluminium welding is meh.
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Interior repainted black
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Golden Eagle sleeved D16z6:
77mm bore
9.5:1 cp pistons
Spec rods (3/8 rod bolts)
Balanced crank
>/= .002" main honda bearings
>/= .0015" rod honda bearings
White gunk is chain lube to prevent rusting.
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Endyn port and polish head with supertech valves, springs, etc
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Hx35 7blade with 12cm turbine housing
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Welded in a plate to separate wastegate "area"
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Plans:
Turbo and manifold
I will build my own sidewinder twin scroll manifold so I can retain my AC.
Manifold and turbine housing will be ceramic coated or blanketed to reduce heat/help spool.
If I can get close to using the full potential of the 60lb/min turbo I'll be happy.
(i know this is not TS, but so you get the idea)
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AC
My AC lines will be re-routed back behind the motor to avoid the manifold all together. I will utilize the factory lines and re-weld them in areas as needed.
Drivetrain
Stock 88 rt4wd (with hydro slave cylinder mouted to cable arm)
Stock rear diff
(needed) driveshaft. Mine was bent
Spec stage 3+ clutch
The drivetrain should hold up ok. Only concern I have is the 90° gear in the transmission. On a RWD wagon build it was the first part to break.*
If transmission fails I will make a D2B and use a CRV trans with the wagon rear diff. I will use different size tires at that point to offset the difference between wagon and crv front and rear diffs.
The I made a bracket for a master cylinder on the wagon pedals. It is hydro to cable converted to help with reliability with a heavy clutch.
Also, skateboard griptape on the pedals.
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Motor, etc
GE intake manifold
y8 fuel rail with 6an fuel lines
ID 1000
Delta 272-2 cam ????
Fuel pump is in-tank walbro 400
Lines are stock with no banjo fittings, converted to 6an.
Cooling and intercooler
Full size radiator
vertical "same side" intercooler
Tuning
Hondata S300
I will let Secret Services in Houston, Tx do the hard part, but I wouldn't mind learning a bit afterwards so I can tweak and tune as needed.
Will run a dual tune, one on 93 and the other on C16.
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I like this a lot. :noel:
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This is awesome, I love wagovans. Need to find a manual trans 4WD one cheap.
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I want a rt4wd for CRX project. :noel:
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Twin scroll is the best way to go. I made around 100 ft/lbs more tq with a true twin scroll manifold.
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Yeah, you're on DSO also right?
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Yeah, you're on DSO also right?
Yeah a lot of us are. :noel:
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Yeah, you're on DSO also right?
Yeah a lot of us are. :noel:
I use my brother account on dso, turboprelude95
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<--- 13g-crx on D-series. I'm really anxious to see how this manifold works out for you. I kicked around the idea of a pulse tuned manifold/sidewinder when I built my top mount. Kinda still intrigued. Good luck to you man.
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What is used to look like before I made into a project.
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Did more putty and shaving in the engine bay.
Will have some after primer, paint and engine mounted for manifold fabrication.
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DO WORK!
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A backwards progression update.
I sent the block to the machine shop with a new crank, and girdle. When I bought the block it had an A6 crank, and girdle that was align honed. The previous owner set the clearances on the tight end of spec. When I wanted to open up the clearances I ran out of bearing sizes. Since I would have to send it to the machine shop anyway I just figured I would use a Z6 crank/girdle. Getting the new crank polished, girdle align honed if needed, depending on readings, and a little bit of a bonus.
Readings that were taken:
Rod journal spec 1.7707-17717
Rod journals (after crank polish):
1) 1.7709
2) 1.7707
3) 1.7709
4) 1.7709
Rod bore spec 1.8898-1.8907
Scat Rod bore:
1) 1.8907
2) 1.8905
3) 1.8905
4) 1.8905
With that I can calculate what bearings I will need to get around .0018".
Do you think that these rod clearances are sufficient for a 500-600hp build?
Now the main specs, and readings.
Main journal spec 2.1644-2.1654
Main journal:
1) 2.1646
2) 2.1647
3) 2.1646
4) 2.1646
5) 2.1647
Main housing bore spec 2.3228-2.3237
Main housing bore:
1) 2.3235
2) 2.3241
3) 2.3241
4) 2.3244
5) 2.3237
As you can see the housing bores are out of spec. What that mean is that the bore is too big, and there will hardly be any bearing crush. So as you may have guessed I will need to get an align hone on the girdle.
What that does is take material off the flat surface of the girdle so it makes the bore smaller.
The machinist doesn't have the small enough tool to do the align hone at the time, so I will have to bring it back to him in a few weeks when he buys one.
Now the bonus work!!
I had a grove cut for a copper o-ring.
Here comes >30psi
It is a .040" grove cut down .030" so that there will be .010" of copper to crush for a better seal.
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That's it for now I think. I've been out of town for over a month, and I go back after thanksgiving.
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Do you think that these rod clearances are sufficient for a 500-600hp build?
Yes they will work, your turbo will barely break 500hp, unless you make into a hx40/35 hybrid. :noel:
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what seals the oil and coolant?
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Yes they will work, your turbo will barely break 500hp, unless you make into a hx40/35 hybrid. :noel:
When I said 500-600hp I meant flywheel, sorry about the confusion. The 7 blade hx35 is a 59lb/min turbo, equals to around 590bhp max.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what seals the oil and coolant?
A oem head gasket. The grove is there for a copper ring to add extra metal to crush for a better seal for the cylinders.
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I have never messed with o-rings. I never knew a gasket was involved too.
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I have never messed with o-rings. I never knew a gasket was involved too.
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Yeah, Cu o-ring with steel HG, and Fe o-ring for Cu gasket. :noel:
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0306_turp_toyota_mr6_project/photo_17.htm (http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0306_turp_toyota_mr6_project/photo_17.htm)
Article that ran in SSC magazine in '90s explain a bit more.
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404, sucks. I am interested in it. I would really like better head sealing on my D
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404, sucks. I am interested in it. I would really like better head sealing on my D
Shit it worked a minute ago. :?:
Try this http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0306_turp_toyota_mr6_project/viewall.html (http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0306_turp_toyota_mr6_project/viewall.html)
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Wow, very nice. Lot of car porn in this thread.
ID1000
If you don't have them yet, I have a better, cheaper option (think cheaper than USED, except they're new):
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So much win. No recirc on the wg? =D
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thagreenteam get some injectors from Hiprofile along with a 4bar map. These are the same injectors Danz is currently running and really liked!
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I really want to try a set on the grm car. What is that adaptor for on the top, just dropping the o-ring size? I drilled my current rail to run bigger o-rings than stock.
My current injectors I picked up used and originally came from fuelinjectorclinic.com. I can't get good drivability to save my life on this car. Idle sucks no matter what I do and starting sucks hot or cold
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Wow, very nice. Lot of car porn in this thread.
ID1000
If you don't have them yet, I have a better, cheaper option (think cheaper than USED, except they're new):
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thagreenteam get some injectors from Hiprofile along with a 4bar map. These are the same injectors Danz is currently running and really liked!
Will do, I will hit you up when the time comes around. The car is on way in the back of my priorities right now. I'm doing cheap or free work right now.
Right now its listed: preggo wife, baby stuff, saving money for CWI course next year, saving money to fix my POS subaru, and THEN the civic wagon.
So be patient with me for now guys. It's killing me how slow it's coming together, but I know it will all be worth it when it does.
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So much win. No recirc on the wg? =D
Yes, that, or a muffler on them.
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Yes they will work, your turbo will barely break 500hp, unless you make into a hx40/35 hybrid. :noel:
When I said 500-600hp I meant flywheel, sorry about the confusion. The 7 blade hx35 is a 59lb/min turbo, equals to around 590bhp max.
Well, that's what it flows at diesel pressure ratios. Good luck doing that on gas, despite the extra exhaust energy.
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Yes they will work, your turbo will barely break 500hp, unless you make into a hx40/35 hybrid. :noel:
When I said 500-600hp I meant flywheel, sorry about the confusion. The 7 blade hx35 is a 59lb/min turbo, equals to around 590bhp max.
Well, that's what it flows at diesel pressure ratios. Good luck doing that on gas, despite the extra exhaust energy.
Actually, a 7blade hx35 @ 59lbs/min are logs that were taken from a dsm.
At any rate the rotating assembly, sleeves, head, and etc. will be able to handle anything I can get out of this holset.
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Yes they will work, your turbo will barely break 500hp, unless you make into a hx40/35 hybrid. :noel:
When I said 500-600hp I meant flywheel, sorry about the confusion. The 7 blade hx35 is a 59lb/min turbo, equals to around 590bhp max.
Well, that's what it flows at diesel pressure ratios. Good luck doing that on gas, despite the extra exhaust energy.
Actually, a 7blade hx35 @ 59lbs/min are logs that were taken from a dsm.
At any rate the rotating assembly, sleeves, head, and etc. will be able to handle anything I can get out of this holset.
JD means that the turbo will most likely max out around 500hp
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JD means that the turbo will most likely max out around 500hp
That's fine by me. I'm shooting for maxing it out, and wherever it ends up I will be happy. Hell I would be happy with 100hp right now.
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I really want to try a set on the grm car. What is that adaptor for on the top, just dropping the o-ring size? I drilled my current rail to run bigger o-rings than stock.
My current injectors I picked up used and originally came from fuelinjectorclinic.com. I can't get good drivability to save my life on this car. Idle sucks no matter what I do and starting sucks hot or cold
The adapters are to reduce them to 11mm Honda rails. If you remove the 3 spacers in the D/B rails, they will fit perfect in 14mm fuel rails. Or I have the cheaper 800cc injectors that will fit like stock except I have them with the larger 14mm o-rings too.
Danz has my 800cc's running a D15 great, so you shouldn't have a problem (unless it's not the injectors). I could swing a real crackhead price since your budget is tracked in GRM. Of course I wouldn't mind some advertising in return.
Here is a picture of the 800cc's cut from 14mm to 11mm to fit a Honda rail:
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I am interested in talking about crackhead prices. I have my own decal cutter so I can plaster whatever you want on the car. To end the threadjack I'll pm you with what space is available on the car
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I am interested in talking about crackhead prices. I have my own decal cutter so I can plaster whatever you want on the car. To end the threadjack I'll pm you with what space is available on the car
I know where you should put the sticker:
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Kumho has already taken that spot
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As far as the build goes I don't think much will be happening to it for a while. I am working out in Meridian, Ms for about a month (or longer) until I get a better offer that is, hopefully, coming up in SLC, Ut
Only time I am going home for a while is on holidays, to see my baby being born in March, and in April to take my CWI test. Who knows, something might get done on the holidays when I'm home.
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Sorry to disappoint, but I can not finish this turbo build. I don't have the desire anymore to have a turbo car. I need to just get back to enjoying the car as it is, and back to my desire to ride motocross again.
Motor is for sale if anyone is interested.
FS: Sleeved/ O-ringed D16z6, Endyn head - Houston-Imports.com (http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=662949)
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I wish I had the cash I'd buy this. :noel:
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I wish I had the cash I'd buy this. :noel:
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