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Title: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: SloS13 on June 24, 2009, 07:30:46 PM
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Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 24, 2009, 07:45:29 PM
Old news
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: jagojon3 on June 24, 2009, 07:48:25 PM
Ehh it kinda worries me that an electrical glitch could cause the valves to not open at all. I like a mechanical link between crank and valve operation. Neat idea though.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 24, 2009, 08:29:30 PM
It would miss on one cylinder, if they hung open it would possibly be an issue
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: highroller54 on June 24, 2009, 08:58:08 PM
I remember seeing a small block chevy retrofitted with electric acuators for valave operation back in the day. If a guy could make it work and be reliable it would kill any camshaft. Burn a new chip for whatever lift & duration at whatever rpm he wanted.  :noel:
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: jagojon3 on June 24, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
I remember seeing a small block chevy retrofitted with electric acuators for valave operation back in the day. If a guy could make it work and be reliable it would kill any camshaft. Burn a new chip for whatever lift & duration at whatever rpm he wanted.  :noel:

That is a definite plus for this system. Instead of having one switchover point to a more aggressive cam profile you can have a dozen point in between, it's infinitely customizable.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 24, 2009, 09:10:02 PM
Not even a new chip, you don't even need a throttle plate, valve lift and duration determines your throttle.  Basicly this acts like a tiny cam at idle, moderate cam at part throttle, massive cam when at WOT.  You get ultimate drivability and maximum power
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 24, 2009, 09:16:13 PM
Then you can use 6stroke mode for cruise to get the best milage and emissions
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: bryantaylor on June 24, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
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Solenoid Operated Valves.
yeah, thats a good idea  :-\
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Conceptz-X on June 24, 2009, 09:51:26 PM
Its one of the better ideas of the internal combustion engines history, its up there with such advancements as variable timing, OHC, OHV, Direct Injection, and BOOST
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: fork on June 25, 2009, 12:14:06 AM
I remember seeing a small block chevy retrofitted with electric acuators for valave operation back in the day. If a guy could make it work and be reliable it would kill any camshaft. Burn a new chip for whatever lift & duration at whatever rpm he wanted.  :noel:

That is a definite plus for this system. Instead of having one switchover point to a more aggressive cam profile you can have a dozen point in between, it's infinitely customizable.

Isn't that what I-vtak is proportional valve timing or lift or whatever as opposed to on and off like old school vtak.   And hasn't one of the big auto makers done something with electronic valve actuation?
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Passenger on June 25, 2009, 12:47:18 AM
Either Ford was supposed to have released this on their productions models years ago. From what I understand one of the main issues they are having is on the closing action, the valves hit the seats too hard.

While this would be a major improvement, I really think tappet valves need to be ditched all together.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: t_cel_t on June 25, 2009, 02:39:03 AM
you mean poppet valves
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Zarcorp on June 25, 2009, 04:54:45 AM
What's wrong with solenoid controlled pneumatic valvetrains kind of like F1?

Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: dvst8r on June 25, 2009, 10:21:47 AM
What's wrong with solenoid controlled pneumatic valvetrains kind of like F1?



I was under the impression that F1 only used pneumatics in assisting the valve to close, and they had limited life spans do to closing too hard, as Dave had touched on.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Robb on June 25, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
This tech is 30+ years old. OEMs are fuck holes who have tech WAY beyond what you realize.  They just drag it out and then 10-20 years later "oh look at how great we are with this new technology" bullshit every single time.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: HiProfile on June 26, 2009, 01:51:19 AM
You'd think those niggers would just counteract the speed with another solenoid. 2 on each shaft, 1 opens one closes, and each end of movement has some sort of dampening.

I thought about this a long time ago as much of a lie that sounds, it would be amazing if it were perfected though. You'd have lift, timing, duration, and swirl/tumble control, and obviously no TB to deal with since the valves do the work restircing airflow. You could also make the engine fit into incredibly small areas with oddly shaped & unequal length manifolds, since you could map each cylinder and control them indipendantly to compensate.

If you read the site, the boat example is kinda weak. Even with deep-v's, 25mph is rather slow for such an expensive engine.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: racingtiger on June 26, 2009, 11:45:57 PM
rev it until it breaks


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Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 26, 2009, 11:50:10 PM
You're not the only resident black guy.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: racingtiger on June 26, 2009, 11:55:45 PM
I prefer to think I am.   O0
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 27, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
I miss your old avatar.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Passenger on June 28, 2009, 01:32:25 AM
What's wrong with solenoid controlled pneumatic valvetrains kind of like F1?



They are total loss systems.
Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Zarcorp on June 29, 2009, 04:41:48 AM
As in, if they fail the valves don't close?

Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: bouncinofftherevlimiter on June 29, 2009, 08:19:34 AM
I miss your old avatar.

speaking of avatars, JD i miss the old one you had too...

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Title: Re: camless 4-stroke engine thing
Post by: Robb on June 29, 2009, 10:23:38 AM
I miss your old avatar.

speaking of avatars, JD i miss the old one you had too...

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