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[mandrel-bends]

Hmm. If you want to move out of labor type jobs, you need to have the education necessary for employers to responsibly hire you. Even where you have employees for many years that are super qualified otherwise, there is a shallow top to the level many can ever really attain in comparison to degreed (and thus supposedly qualified) individuals. You see this everywhere.

Many of my friends who are degreed engineers run into this in many companies (hyster, intel, boeing), as a bachelors degree is considered only good enough to get them into a working position (maybe). You need an MBA or a masters to ever get into management and even that's slim. Forget upper management unless you went ivy league mba.

It's total bull shit, but it seems to be the way of corporate world (and thus high paychecks $$$). 

[TheMadScientist]

Unless you have a portfolio of awesomness in welding and the aircraft trade then you're pretty much out of luck with out some sort of college or some serious serious experience (see: 10 years with a company or companies that do the same thing)

Suck it up and start going back to school unless you want to attempt to start a business.

It's rough and it sucks. I'm doing it now and it's kicking my ass.

[rawr]

he has mad marketable skills. just needs to learn to talk them up

[Joseph Davis]

he has mad marketable skills. just needs to learn to talk them up

We aren't talking streetcorner marketable, sir.

[PhilStubbs]

Unless you have a portfolio of awesomness in welding and the aircraft trade then you're pretty much out of luck with out some sort of college or some serious serious experience (see: 10 years with a company or companies that do the same thing)

Suck it up and start going back to school unless you want to attempt to start a business.

It's rough and it sucks. I'm doing it now and it's kicking my ass.

I have actually been with this company over 10 years. I'm working on an idea though. Gonna be a pile of work, but enough diversity to hopefully keep my interest. Plus can be slowed eased into over time starting with nights and weekends. The company I work for is very cool with part time workers too as things progress

[bigdaddyvtec]

plENTY OF PEOPLE AT THE laZY b Slave qaurters with NO BS degree doing fine.

[Joseph Davis]

plENTY OF PEOPLE AT THE laZY b Slave qaurters with NO BS degree doing fine.

#1 most crashed plane for a reason....