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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: random-strike on March 26, 2009, 01:54:46 PM
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H.R. 1388: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388)
This has passed through both the House and the Senate, and I think it speaks volumes about the road to enslaving us and more control.
obongo's slavery act passed house and senate.
fuck obongo and this government
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cliffs?
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‘(a) Required National Service Corps- The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and each Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) shall, directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities, carry out or support the following national service corps, as full- or part-time corps, including during the summer months, to address unmet educational, health, veteran, or environmental needs
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:D
June 22, 2009 I will no longer work for this fucker.
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if they pass it show up open carrying
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‘(a) Required National Service Corps- The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and each Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) shall, directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities, carry out or support the following national service corps, as full- or part-time corps, including during the summer months, to address unmet educational, health, veteran, or environmental needs
so basically if you recieve a grant you have to do volunteer work?
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if they pass it show up open carrying
I'll show up with my damn RRA 20" strapped to my f'ing back.
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‘(a) Required National Service Corps- The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and each Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) shall, directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities, carry out or support the following national service corps, as full- or part-time corps, including during the summer months, to address unmet educational, health, veteran, or environmental needs
so basically if you recieve a grant you have to do volunteer work?
you are now recieving a payment for your work that your forced to do. Its not a grant.
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if they pass it show up open carrying
i seen a guy crossign the street yesterday that had gun on his hip in a holster liek a fucking cowboy. i know its legal and all but its just rare i see it out in public. kinda made me take a double take.
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if they pass it show up open carrying
i seen a guy crossign the street yesterday that had gun on his hip in a holster liek a fucking cowboy. i know its legal and all but its just rare i see it out in public. kinda made me take a double take.
and let me guess, no one got shot?
obongo, you listening?
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nig nig nig nig nig nig nig nig
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/mar/appeals-court-get-aclu-acorn-judge (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/mar/appeals-court-get-aclu-acorn-judge)
"President Barack Obama’s first judicial nomination worked for a radical leftist community group under federal investigation and received a “not qualified†rating from the American Bar Association when Bill Clinton assigned him to Indiana’s federal district court.
David Hamilton, a federal district judge for 14 years, has been selected to join the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit in Chicago, the last stop before the Supreme Court for cases from Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. If confirmed by Congress, Hamilton would fill the vacancy created when Judge Kenneth Ripple took senior status in September.
When Clinton nominated Hamilton to U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Indiana in 1994, the American Bar Association’s Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary rated him “not qualified.†The committee reversed its own rating after Obama’s nomination, so as of this month, the ABA claims Hamilton is “well qualified.â€
Judge Hamilton has other skeletons in his closet. He worked as a fundraiser for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the corrupt nonprofit best known for conducting fraudulent voter registration drives around the country and pressuring banks to give minorities loans they can’t afford.
Under perpetual federal investigation, Chicago-based ACORN admitted hiring convicted felons and “lazy crack heads†as canvassers during the 2008 presidential election and falsifying information to register new voters nationwide. A few years ago ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State after workers were caught submitting thousands of fake registration forms.
Judge Hamilton also had a leadership role in the leftwing American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and he is considered a liberal activist whose rulings indicate he’s soft on crime, radically pro-abortion, and hostile towards religion. Hamilton invalidated Indiana sex offender laws that protected children from predators, has regularly helped criminal defendants by suppressing evidence and warrants and ruled that prayers at the start of Indiana legislative sessions violate the Constitution. "
I suggest you all email/FAX your Reps about this one - it's going to be a pattern if you don't.
http://www.theorator.com/senate.html (http://www.theorator.com/senate.html)
http://www.theorator.com/government/house.html (http://www.theorator.com/government/house.html) Pete
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My brother in laws transmission shop hasnt been broken into since he started open carrying.
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i open carry often
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i open carry often
you don't live in a so cal ghetto, with a shaved head.
but sometimes his beard grows out which even an Iranian gun shop owner told him he looked like a lebanese guerrilla :P
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i open carry often
you don't live in a so cal ghetto, with a shaved head.
your the idiot. why are you scared to carry a gun with a shaved head in so-cal. puss.
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n/a mike before you try to open carry make sure you know the commie laws in kalifornia.
you have to carry your pistol unloaded in incorporated areas. but you can have a magazine on your belt, but the gun can't have a bullet or a loaded magazine
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lol. so califorina.
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Whats teh percentage of people who have "used" their open carry to defuse a situation? Like how often does it work out well Vs how often does it end in death for one or the other?
Seems like ive heard a few stories of folks who carried and decided to act on a situation, robbery or whatever and it just seesm like more people get shot. Now im positive you NEVER hear about when it ends for teh better but i wonder if there are any stats out there on such things.
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its hard to put a real figure on how many times open carrying stops a bad situation.... most criminals are too scared to mess with someone that is carrying and will think twice before trying to mess with you - the whole situation is avoided by doing nothing but showing your support for the second amendment.
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Just fucking carry a gun, open or consealed
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its hard to put a real figure on how many times open carrying stops a bad situation.... most criminals are too scared to mess with someone that is carrying and will think twice before trying to mess with you - the whole situation is avoided by doing nothing but showing your support for the second amendment.
My brother in laws transmission shop hasnt been broken into since he started open carrying.
:)
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Judge Hamilton also had a leadership role in the leftwing American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and he is considered a liberal activist whose rulings indicate he’s soft on crime, radically pro-abortion, and hostile towards religion. Hamilton invalidated Indiana sex offender laws that protected children from predators, has regularly helped criminal defendants by suppressing evidence and warrants and ruled that prayers at the start of Indiana legislative sessions violate the Constitution. "
Fuck yea!
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its hard to put a real figure on how many times open carrying stops a bad situation.... most criminals are too scared to mess with someone that is carrying and will think twice before trying to mess with you - the whole situation is avoided by doing nothing but showing your support for the second amendment.
Yea because open carry prevents people messing with the cops. ::)
About the only thing open carry is good for is comfort while hiking and the like (which happens to be the only time I do it). In that case all I'm really worried about is animals so concealment doesn't matter. If I'm going to the bank and someone decides to rob it, I don't want to be the first one that gets dropped because the robbers saw my gun.
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Yea because open carry prevents people messing with the cops. ::)
About the only thing open carry is good for is comfort while hiking and the like (which happens to be the only time I do it). In that case all I'm really worried about is animals so concealment doesn't matter. If I'm going to the bank and someone decides to rob it, I don't want to be the first one that gets dropped because the robbers saw my gun.
your not supposed to carry into a bank, I guess your supposed to just submit to any demands if your in the bank when it gets robbed. However if your outside the bank, fire away
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I gave someone a brake check once. the nigger pulled up on me, pointed a gun at my wife's face (she was pass) and said dont do it again. If I had a gun, someone would have been dead, and it wouldn't have been me.
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I hear that
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Yea because open carry prevents people messing with the cops. ::)
About the only thing open carry is good for is comfort while hiking and the like (which happens to be the only time I do it). In that case all I'm really worried about is animals so concealment doesn't matter. If I'm going to the bank and someone decides to rob it, I don't want to be the first one that gets dropped because the robbers saw my gun.
your not supposed to carry into a bank, I guess your supposed to just submit to any demands if your in the bank when it gets robbed. However if your outside the bank, fire away
Says who? There are no laws against carrying into banks in this state.
I gave someone a brake check once. the nigger pulled up on me, pointed a gun at my wife's face (she was pass) and said dont do it again. If I had a gun, someone would have been dead, and it wouldn't have been me.
Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
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round here, there's 10-20-life stickers on all banks
10 for pull, 20 for discharge, life for murder
I fail at reading small print
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Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
No. the fucking O0 would have been dead.
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Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
No. the fucking O0 would have been dead.
as legal as that should be, you would have gone to jail for it. unless you live in one of them states that has very lax self defense laws. in CT you would have been arrested on at the very least manslaughter because you could have avoided deadly force.
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Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
No. the fucking O0 would have been dead.
No, he would have shot both of you before you even drew your gun from a cramped, seated position. That's the real world, but I'll forgive you because I know you were just trying to sound badass. If you said you'd get out and pop in the back of the head when he walked away, then more power to you. :noel:
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See fuckers like that should die. Why do i have to back down cause you broke traffic laws and deiced to wave a gun around cause someone reacted to you fucking up. Had some middle aged white guy flash his high beams and ride behiond me ont eh way home from work cause i passed him. If you dont want to be passed dont do 45 in a 55 in the left lane. It was 4 in teh afternoon what were high beams going to solve.
VA is teh worst for that shit. everything is always everyone elses fault. I watched a o50 year old man run over a median and take out a Sigh while turning right and trying to dial his phone. I avioded him naturally while we drove. Dude flipped ME off for lookign at him when i passed.
The more I have to go out into public the more I grow to hate most of teh people i come in contact with. Not because they do things like that its casue they do it cause they dont think anythign should happen. Those same people might be Perfectly ok people but they dont know you and wont give you the "My bad" wave cause its easier to flip you off.
I fuckign hate people. I sat at dinner with my mother, wife and Female cousin while some Biker asshole sat across teh room with a shirt that said like TWAT bar and gril on it. It was clearly a parody Harley shirt not a Legit bar named that. Why the Fuck should i be able to Knock the fuck out of that 45 year old grow Child. I knew Twat was not to be said in public when i was 10. why do i have to tolerate this shit. makes me want to go over there and ask him while hes eating with his wife "So would you mind if I took a giant shit on your palte of food and forced it into your twat? I bet youd like the way it smells." I mean really whats teh difference, why is it ok?
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Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
No. the fucking O0 would have been dead.
No, he would have shot both of you before you even drew your gun from a cramped, seated position. That's the real world, but I'll forgive you because I know you were just trying to sound badass. If you said you'd get out and pop in the back of the head when he walked away, then more power to you. :noel:
thats easy,
while he is walking way you say hey you stupid godddamn nigger, and they turn around :)
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This bill is so stupid. It defeats the purpose or receiving a grant.
If I wanted to do work for money so I could pay for college, I could get a job.
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See fuckers like that should die. Why do i have to back down cause you broke traffic laws and deiced to wave a gun around cause someone reacted to you fucking up. Had some middle aged white guy flash his high beams and ride behiond me ont eh way home from work cause i passed him. If you dont want to be passed dont do 45 in a 55 in the left lane. It was 4 in teh afternoon what were high beams going to solve.
VA is teh worst for that shit. everything is always everyone elses fault. I watched a o50 year old man run over a median and take out a Sigh while turning right and trying to dial his phone. I avioded him naturally while we drove. Dude flipped ME off for lookign at him when i passed.
The more I have to go out into public the more I grow to hate most of teh people i come in contact with. Not because they do things like that its casue they do it cause they dont think anythign should happen. Those same people might be Perfectly ok people but they dont know you and wont give you the "My bad" wave cause its easier to flip you off.
I fuckign hate people. I sat at dinner with my mother, wife and Female cousin while some Biker asshole sat across teh room with a shirt that said like TWAT bar and gril on it. It was clearly a parody Harley shirt not a Legit bar named that. Why the Fuck should i be able to Knock the fuck out of that 45 year old grow Child. I knew Twat was not to be said in public when i was 10. why do i have to tolerate this shit. makes me want to go over there and ask him while hes eating with his wife "So would you mind if I took a giant shit on your palte of food and forced it into your twat? I bet youd like the way it smells." I mean really whats teh difference, why is it ok?
so the word twat offends you?
stop being a whiny bitch. i drop the F bomb and an array of other "offensive" word in public on a daily basis. why? because i can and anyone who has a problem can get fucked.
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See fuckers like that should die. Why do i have to back down cause you broke traffic laws and deiced to wave a gun around cause someone reacted to you fucking up. Had some middle aged white guy flash his high beams and ride behiond me ont eh way home from work cause i passed him. If you dont want to be passed dont do 45 in a 55 in the left lane. It was 4 in teh afternoon what were high beams going to solve.
VA is teh worst for that shit. everything is always everyone elses fault. I watched a o50 year old man run over a median and take out a Sigh while turning right and trying to dial his phone. I avioded him naturally while we drove. Dude flipped ME off for lookign at him when i passed.
The more I have to go out into public the more I grow to hate most of teh people i come in contact with. Not because they do things like that its casue they do it cause they dont think anythign should happen. Those same people might be Perfectly ok people but they dont know you and wont give you the "My bad" wave cause its easier to flip you off.
I fuckign hate people. I sat at dinner with my mother, wife and Female cousin while some Biker asshole sat across teh room with a shirt that said like TWAT bar and gril on it. It was clearly a parody Harley shirt not a Legit bar named that. Why the Fuck should i be able to Knock the fuck out of that 45 year old grow Child. I knew Twat was not to be said in public when i was 10. why do i have to tolerate this shit. makes me want to go over there and ask him while hes eating with his wife "So would you mind if I took a giant shit on your palte of food and forced it into your twat? I bet youd like the way it smells." I mean really whats teh difference, why is it ok?
I was thinking the other day it was good that I didn't have my gun with me, because of some fucktwat on the road. He figured he could defy the laws of physics and occupy the same lane that my car was occupying with his bigass truck. I slammed the horn, and hit the brakes (crx doesn't hold up well to large vehicles, i know from experience), and he swerved back into his lane, then swerved in front of me and took off. I kept my usual pace and slowly caught up to him, and he started fucking around pushing my car against the wall by creeping into my lane while I was beside the truck, flipped me off, etc.
WTF? He's the one that fucked up, and figured since he had a vehicle 4x as big as mine he could fuck with me for his fuckup. If I had a gun I'm not sure I could have kept my cool to not present it to him. Would I have shot it? No, but he might have backed the fuck off. Screaming obscenities out the window only goes so far.
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so the word twat offends you?
stop being a whiny bitch. i drop the F bomb and an array of other "offensive" word in public on a daily basis. why? because i can and anyone who has a problem can get fucked.
Your right. Fuck you and your mom. on that theory I hope next time you mom is out and about i hope teh Hugest Black man shes ever seen verbaly assults her cause you know. he can say what he wants whereever he wants right?
No fucking reason whatsoever why humans cant have decnecy. say what you want and do what you want but the second it impacts me its different. Why should i have to change because of yoru actions. Im not some child that thinks its cool to ware cuss words on shirts cause im not explaining to my 6 year old who can read what a twat is and why the man has it on his shirt.
didnt realize you were such a piece of shit corey. way to go, just another fucking assclown who only looks after no 1.
See because i know Pieces of shit like corey exsist when i see people broke down on the side of teh road or in need i dont want to help. cause your a piece of shit who only is after themselfs with out any disregaurd for the fellow members of yrou Community and around you. THIS is why teh Gov needs to Force certain community aspects that SHOULD be voluntary but worthless fuckbags like you only want to take and not give back. where your shirt corey. ware it proud, as only the intelicts know what twat is
Nigger.
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my mother is a good woman and the word twat offends her. Im not some self delutited prick who gets offended with it and anyone reading this with half a brain probaly got that since obviously the fact athat dude rocks it in huge letters in front of anyones mother or children is my issue
if we were at a bar it would be different. I was in an upscale gormet pizza shop (yeah i didnt know they really exsisted either)
My point is you should be a decent enough human being to know better. Pussies like you wanna talk a good one but you wont go walking around your mall yelling nigger will you? whats teh difference? I can say what i want can i?
dumbass
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WTF? He's the one that fucked up, and figured since he had a vehicle 4x as big as mine he could fuck with me for his fuckup.
Those are the coreys of the road. Doesnt really matter whats wrong or right its his truck he can put it where he wants so fuck you. am i getting this right corey?
i love it when people defend being inconsiderate pieces of shit. Its not a right to be a piece of shit, its a choice.
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Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
No. the fucking O0 would have been dead.
No, he would have shot both of you before you even drew your gun from a cramped, seated position. That's the real world, but I'll forgive you because I know you were just trying to sound badass. If you said you'd get out and pop in the back of the head when he walked away, then more power to you. :noel:
just a FYI, Junkyardracer is a marine, and your fucking stupid.
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Yea it would have been your wife, jackass. Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
No. the fucking O0 would have been dead.
No, he would have shot both of you before you even drew your gun from a cramped, seated position. That's the real world, but I'll forgive you because I know you were just trying to sound badass. If you said you'd get out and pop in the back of the head when he walked away, then more power to you. :noel:
just a FYI, Junkyardracer is a marine, and your fucking stupid.
so being a marine would make you superman and risk the life of taking a chance to get a shot off to someone who already pointing a gun at you?
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Sometimes, avoiding confrontation is the best policy, especially when they've got the jump on you.
Alot of truth in that, when the times right...
Not everything has to be a fight, and fighting battles that matter are whats important.. Be pretty fucking retarded to get killed for anything less...
And being a marine doesnt give you any advantage other than being brainwashed to where you dont think... You automatically go into a pre programmed mode that is a reaction not even based on thought... Its based on an embedded routine that is prompted regardless of how uneccessary it is.
Oh, or how fucking retarded.....
They cant help it to a degree though. Their brains are turned into the likes of sheep. They dont even have a chance. The Core (and 2 trips to NAM) ruined my father.
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THIS is why teh Gov needs to Force certain community aspects that SHOULD be voluntary
Looks like you actually get it.
The ideal is that everyone uses some common sense and respect and voluntarily reserves the use of their rights that would cause other people unnecessary offense and disturbance. However, that would require that society was intelligent and mature. Our society is neither. That's why the government has to step in and restrict rights, people refuse to exercise self-restraint and respect for others.
Ever wonder why we need licensing for something like firearms ownership that should be unrestricted? It's because if it wasn't required then Joe Idiot would go buy a .50BMG without having a clue about gun laws, operation of the weapon, or even the necessary skill to hit a white whale on a black background. It's because of this stupidity that is so prevelant in this country that the government has to step, and when they step in we all suffer, not just Joe Idiot. So, the solution? If you're Johnny Bliss you get pissed off at the "evil" government. If you have your head screwed on straight and your eyes open then you get mad at Joe Idiot for forcing the government's action with his stupidity. This logic applies to everything being discussed here.
You don't want to be forced to volunteer? I have two options for you. #1: Stop bitching about how lazy people are and how much society sucks if you aren't willing to give anything back to your community. News flash, if you aren't giving back, you're part of the problem. #2: Volunteer voluntarily and put something into the society you live in to make it better. You don't have to go rake leaves on the town green, you can simply start by not wearing a shirt that says TWAT to a family resturaunt.
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THIS is why teh Gov needs to Force certain community aspects that SHOULD be voluntary
Looks like you actually get it.
The ideal is that everyone uses some common sense and respect and voluntarily reserves the use of their rights that would cause other people unnecessary offense and disturbance. However, that would require that society was intelligent and mature. Our society is neither. That's why the government has to step in and restrict rights, people refuse to exercise self-restraint and respect for others.
Ever wonder why we need licensing for something like firearms ownership that should be unrestricted? It's because if it wasn't required then Joe Idiot would go buy a .50BMG without having a clue about gun laws, operation of the weapon, or even the necessary skill to hit a white whale on a black background. It's because of this stupidity that is so prevelant in this country that the government has to step, and when they step in we all suffer, not just Joe Idiot. So, the solution? If you're Johnny Bliss you get pissed off at the at the "evil" government. If you have your head screwed on straight and your eyes open then you get made at Joe Idiot for forcing the government's action with his stupidity. This logic applies to everything being discussed here.
You don't want to be forced to volunteer? I have two options for you. #1: Stop bitching about how lazy people are and how much society sucks if you aren't willing to give anything back to your community. News flash, if you aren't giving back, you're part of the problem. #2: Volunteer voluntarily and put something into the society you live in to make it better. You don't have to go rake leaves on the town green, you can simply start by not wearing a shirt that says TWAT to a family resturaunt.
you don't need a license in the majority of states to buy a 50 cal rifle
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And being a marine doesnt give you any advantage other than being brainwashed to where you dont think... You automatically go into a pre programmed mode that is a reaction not even based on thought... Its based on an embedded routine that is prompted regardless of how uneccessary it is.
Oh, or how fucking retarded.....
They cant help it to a degree though. Their brains are turned into the likes of sheep. They dont even have a chance. The Core (and 2 trips to NAM) ruined my father.
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so the word twat offends you?
stop being a whiny bitch. i drop the F bomb and an array of other "offensive" word in public on a daily basis. why? because i can and anyone who has a problem can get fucked.
Your right. Fuck you and your mom. on that theory I hope next time you mom is out and about i hope teh Hugest Black man shes ever seen verbaly assults her cause you know. he can say what he wants whereever he wants right?
No fucking reason whatsoever why humans cant have decnecy. say what you want and do what you want but the second it impacts me its different. Why should i have to change because of yoru actions. Im not some child that thinks its cool to ware cuss words on shirts cause im not explaining to my 6 year old who can read what a twat is and why the man has it on his shirt.
didnt realize you were such a piece of shit corey. way to go, just another fucking assclown who only looks after no 1.
See because i know Pieces of shit like corey exsist when i see people broke down on the side of teh road or in need i dont want to help. cause your a piece of shit who only is after themselfs with out any disregaurd for the fellow members of yrou Community and around you. THIS is why teh Gov needs to Force certain community aspects that SHOULD be voluntary but worthless fuckbags like you only want to take and not give back. where your shirt corey. ware it proud, as only the intelicts know what twat is
Nigger.
so now someone with a "bad" word on thier shirt is that same as a black man verbally abusing my mother? and yes if he feel the need to do that he can. and he can also recieve a pipe to the face for it.
great comparison you made there. i didnt realize someone wearing a shirt with the word twat on it is the same as some random asshole coming up to you and verbally assaulting you. if you dont like how someone is talking to you or someone else, you have the right to tell them to get fucked. simple really.
people like you are the reason the FCC exists and movies with bad words in them are rated R. if you dont like having the freedom to do whatever you want, move to some country with a dictator like cuba.
Oh, and please dont pretend you know me or what kind of person i am based on the fact that i use vulgar language in public. im willing to bet im more helpful of other people then you are. so again, get fucked
PS. youre a twat. :-*
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WTF? He's the one that fucked up, and figured since he had a vehicle 4x as big as mine he could fuck with me for his fuckup.
Those are the coreys of the road. Doesnt really matter whats wrong or right its his truck he can put it where he wants so fuck you. am i getting this right corey?
i love it when people defend being inconsiderate pieces of shit. Its not a right to be a piece of shit, its a choice.
again you dont know me, so dont presume to know how i react in situations.
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dude look i dont really care how you think you can justify it. If you think its OK to do or say WHATEVER you want in public and everyone else can get fucked then your right. and you missed my point entirely.
Enjoy yoru shallow retarted views on life. I can sorta make certain assumptions about you cause if you have that attitude its not going to stop with just that. you are that asshole that cuts people off drives slow and is ready to try and fight when soemone gets pissed cause it is the same principal.
i dont have the option of NOT lookgin at a shirt with a giant offensive word on it when im out in public. wiether you can or cant or if its legal isnt teh question. the point is if you are a piece of shit for it or not is my point.
Im sure your parents are proud of yrou ability to stand up for cursing and offending people in public. way to go assclown, again stand tall corey. one day when you arent 18 or acting like it maybe you'll get my point.
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dude look i dont really care how you think you can justify it. If you think its OK to do or say WHATEVER you want in public and everyone else can get fucked then your right. and you missed my point entirely.
Enjoy yoru shallow retarted views on life. I can sorta make certain assumptions about you cause if you have that attitude its not going to stop with just that. you are that asshole that cuts people off drives slow and is ready to try and fight when soemone gets pissed cause it is the same principal.
i dont have the option of NOT lookgin at a shirt with a giant offensive word on it when im out in public. wiether you can or cant or if its legal isnt teh question. the point is if you are a piece of shit for it or not is my point.
Im sure your parents are proud of yrou ability to stand up for cursing and offending people in public. way to go assclown, again stand tall corey. one day when you arent 18 or acting like it maybe you'll get my point.
youre the fucking man. you can judge people over the internet based on one statement they have made.
honestly i dont care what you think. if you get offended so easily maybe you should stay home.
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can you seriously say its a good thing to say twat wiether on a shirt or not in front of kids or your grandma? I mean this is common fucking sense. leave shit better than you left it and try not to be a fucking tool when it impacts others. Like i said its not like we were at a concert or bar i was at an upscale eatery so expecting a biker dude to walkin with TWAT on his shirt wasnt really that tall of an order.
if more people act like you then its no wonder why Obama or anyone else wants to MAKE laws that tell people what to do
its cause worthless pieces of shit like you cant think past the end of your nose and you do what you want. so you have to be told not to be offensive cause you are not smart enough to do it for yoru self.
So really YOU are the reason we have FCC cause you dont have enough good sense to keep it away from people who dont want to hear it. too funny how some tools will lay it right out for you.
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dude look i dont really care how you think you can justify it. If you think its OK to do or say WHATEVER you want in public and everyone else can get fucked then your right. and you missed my point entirely.
Enjoy yoru shallow retarted views on life. I can sorta make certain assumptions about you cause if you have that attitude its not going to stop with just that. you are that asshole that cuts people off drives slow and is ready to try and fight when soemone gets pissed cause it is the same principal.
i dont have the option of NOT lookgin at a shirt with a giant offensive word on it when im out in public. wiether you can or cant or if its legal isnt teh question. the point is if you are a piece of shit for it or not is my point.
Im sure your parents are proud of yrou ability to stand up for cursing and offending people in public. way to go assclown, again stand tall corey. one day when you arent 18 or acting like it maybe you'll get my point.
youre the fucking man. you can judge people over the internet based on one statement they have made.
honestly i dont care what you think. if you get offended so easily maybe you should stay home.
so do you plan to really read any of this? cause ill say it again if you tell me how you act then yes i will use that to base how youi will act. wtf?
Ive also said like twice its not hta im offended i just called you a nigger you stupid fucking waste of sperm. its teh fact that you dont give a fuck who you offend in public.
so people make laws to protect others for it cause you dont care and wont be smart about it.
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Wait for it...
The Goat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQw_biRIGPs#noexternalembed-hq)
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My point was this. we know whos going where on the internet, no oen is going to find this site by searching teddy bears. If i want to see risky behavior (or things folks consider offensive) then i can go to a bar, or concert or venues like that. Perhaps walking down the street sure, in a restaurant where a meal is like 25 and up Not soo much. that is my bottom line if folks operated with common sense and treated people they come in contact with like they matter then we wouldnt have to tell people what to do say or ware.
It sorta doesnt matter what the deffinition of offensive is i think most grown adults would agree twat is not a word you could say around your mom grandma and kids so waring it out to eat at a nice restaurant is not common sense.
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dude look i dont really care how you think you can justify it. If you think its OK to do or say WHATEVER you want in public and everyone else can get fucked then your right. and you missed my point entirely.
Enjoy yoru shallow retarted views on life. I can sorta make certain assumptions about you cause if you have that attitude its not going to stop with just that. you are that asshole that cuts people off drives slow and is ready to try and fight when soemone gets pissed cause it is the same principal.
i dont have the option of NOT lookgin at a shirt with a giant offensive word on it when im out in public. wiether you can or cant or if its legal isnt teh question. the point is if you are a piece of shit for it or not is my point.
Im sure your parents are proud of yrou ability to stand up for cursing and offending people in public. way to go assclown, again stand tall corey. one day when you arent 18 or acting like it maybe you'll get my point.
youre the fucking man. you can judge people over the internet based on one statement they have made.
honestly i dont care what you think. if you get offended so easily maybe you should stay home.
so do you plan to really read any of this? cause ill say it again if you tell me how you act then yes i will use that to base how youi will act. wtf?
Ive also said like twice its not hta im offended i just called you a nigger you stupid fucking waste of sperm. its teh fact that you dont give a fuck who you offend in public.
so people make laws to protect others for it cause you dont care and wont be smart about it.
yes youre ignorant because you think that since i cuss in public im an aggressive driver and i try to start fights with people for no reason. way to ASSume stuff, dildo.
and if something i say offends someone then yes, tough shit. im not going to act different in public just because something i say MIGHT offend someone, but i do make it a point to not say it around kids. do i think a shirt with the word twat on it is offensive? no. do i think it should be worn to "upscale" restaurants? no. youll never see me wear a shirt with offensive (to others) stuff on it, but if other people want to i dont give a shit.
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Im not against swearing. Im against people acting like tools in public and then getting mad when someone makes a rule saying you cant ware that shirt. Its cause and effect.
i should not have to change my behavior because you decided to ware a shirt that pisses my mom off.
i dont want to explain to my kids what a twat is because you wore a shirt to a family restuartant. again if we were walking down teh street or in a bar or anywhere else it would be different. All im saying is in certain situations a little common sense can go a long way.
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and if something i say offends someone then yes, tough shit. im not going to act different in public just because something i say MIGHT offend someone, but i do make it a point to not say it around kids. do i think a shirt with the word twat on it is offensive? no. do i think it should be worn to "upscale" restaurants? no. youll never see me wear a shirt with offensive (to others) stuff on it, but if other people want to i dont give a shit.
see its funny. that was my ONLY FUCKING POINT. way to contradict though. nice work,
like i said if we were walking down the street then sure it might happen so fuckign what but not in controlled environments.
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and if something i say offends someone then yes, tough shit. im not going to act different in public just because something i say MIGHT offend someone, but i do make it a point to not say it around kids. do i think a shirt with the word twat on it is offensive? no. do i think it should be worn to "upscale" restaurants? no. youll never see me wear a shirt with offensive (to others) stuff on it, but if other people want to i dont give a shit.
see its funny. that was my ONLY FUCKING POINT. way to contradict though. nice work,
how did i contradict anything?
i think shirts with stuff like that is trashy. i never said i didnt, but i also dont think anyone should be able to tell another person what they can and cannot wear and where they do it.
this arguement didnt even have anything to do with kids in the first place. you said it offended your mother and sister. no kids were ever involved. basically if you had you kid with you, i would attempt to be a little curteous, but i couldnt give a fuck if it bothered your mother. get it yet?
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Ok. So you're saying because a majority of people agree on something that it makes it morally applicable? I don't buy that. That's called cultural relativism and that's fairly easy to make a case against. I can make several cases for things that you think is correct but you can prove that the majority doesn't hold those values and that the majority of the population may actually be incorrect in holding those values.
I want to know why the words are obscene and why humans should be offended by them. If you can't make a case for it, every point you're making now is irrelevant.
I also don't buy that you know who's going to visit here. My five year old little brother is frequently in the room when I'm browsing RHMT, but we're not worried about shielding him from concepts.
rawr, your trying this there is no spoon shit on me. Im not trying to deffine offensive cause it dont matter. if you walk up to yoru Gma and say twat she will be offended. thats all teh deffinition i need. when im around here I shouldnt say twat cause i care about her. that is my only point. doesnt matter what i view as offensive, it only matters if you care. so ware whatever im not saying you cant or shouldnt. all im saying is that if people thoguht abotu shit liek that you might not have so many of these stupid ass laws and stupid ass situations.
I mean point blank do you think its ok to ware a shirt atha say FUCK or TWAT on it while you eat dinner with you mother? i respec t my mother and dont want her to have to sit through that cause it would make her uncomfterble now if she was in line at teh store or walking down teh street or again in a bar its different. im talking about thsoe situations where there isnt a dam,n thing i can do but sit there and and have someone else actions effect me.
Are you saying i shoudl have to stop eating, get up and walk out casue thats only fair? cause my point is he shoudl have picked a better audience for his shirt.
and for the record i think i get what you are saying rawr, i just dont think you get my motive for why i jump Captian fuck-the-general-publics shit.
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I love pissing matches... Continue gents
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Ok. So you're saying because a majority of people agree on something that it makes it morally applicable? I don't buy that. That's called cultural relativism and that's fairly easy to make a case against. I can make several cases for things that you think is correct but you can prove that the majority doesn't hold those values and that the majority of the population may actually be incorrect in holding those values.
I want to know why the words are obscene and why humans should be offended by them. If you can't make a case for it, every point you're making now is irrelevant.
I also don't buy that you know who's going to visit here. My five year old little brother is frequently in the room when I'm browsing RHMT, but we're not worried about shielding him from concepts.
rawr, your trying this there is no spoon shit on me. Im not trying to deffine offensive cause it dont matter. if you walk up to yoru Gma and say twat she will be offended. thats all teh deffinition i need. when im around here I shouldnt say twat cause i care about her. that is my only point. doesnt matter what i view as offensive, it only matters if you care. so ware whatever im not saying you cant or shouldnt. all im saying is that if people thoguht abotu shit liek that you might not have so many of these stupid ass laws and stupid ass situations.
I mean point blank do you think its ok to ware a shirt atha say FUCK or TWAT on it while you eat dinner with you mother? i respec t my mother and dont want her to have to sit through that cause it would make her uncomfterble now if she was in line at teh store or walking down teh street or again in a bar its different. im talking about thsoe situations where there isnt a dam,n thing i can do but sit there and and have someone else actions effect me.
Are you saying i shoudl have to stop eating, get up and walk out casue thats only fair? cause my point is he shoudl have picked a better audience for his shirt.
and for the record i think i get what you are saying rawr, i just dont think you get my motive for why i jump Captian fuck-the-general-publics shit.
why are you even looking at the dude? why not look at something else? why do you feel the need to stare at the dude and continue to be offended.
i dont get it. if something bothers me i try to ignore it. maybe your family is different but my mother wouldnt give 2 flying fucks about someones shirt saying twat or any other word you can think of. she would probably point it out to me and laugh about it. same goes for just about everyone in my family including grand parents.
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I want you to explain why words can be morally wrong, and why people become offended when they hear these words. I also want to know why saying these words on the internet, where they're published for millions to access is different than using them in a physical location where the maximum audience that can view or hear the curse word(s) in question comes no where near to what one would access through publishing them on the internet.
This is something I consider as being completely irrelevant to morality, and the only case I can see being made about it is a psychological egoist case stating that one ought to not use certain words because some people are offended by it so it may reflect back on your own interests negatively, but that doesn't explain why the people are offended. Just because someone is offended by a set of actions doesn't make it morally incorrect. Trust me, you don't want to go that direction in your counterargument.
Personally, since words convey concepts and I see no reason to limit their use. If you're embarrassed to teach your kid a word because you fear the concept it conveys, you need to get over that. Your child doesn't benefit from you shielding them from learning different concepts, even negative and degrading ones. How is a person supposed to develop an ethical system if they are to know nothing about the essence of what is unethical?
I know I should stay out of these threads, but I never thought I'd see the day when anyone argued against swearing on rhmt.
...between this and the free will thread, when did you become a fucking philosopher?
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Ok. So you're saying because a majority of people agree on something that it makes it morally applicable? I don't buy that. That's called cultural relativism and that's fairly easy to make a case against. I can make several cases for things that you think is correct but you can prove that the majority doesn't hold those values and that the majority of the population may actually be incorrect in holding those values.
I want to know why the words are obscene and why humans should be offended by them. If you can't make a case for it, every point you're making now is irrelevant.
I also don't buy that you know who's going to visit here. My five year old little brother is frequently in the room when I'm browsing RHMT, but we're not worried about shielding him from concepts.
He never said the words themselves are innately wrong, so you're strawmaning the living shit out of his argument.
Also, "words" being offensive has nothing to do with cultural relativism. Again, he's talking about being offesive, not about innately unethical words. Being offensive in the situation he's talking about is unethical and if you want to be a bitch about it I'll go through ever major theory of philosophy and show you how. The words themselves are amoral, it's people's perceptions of the words that make using discresion with them an ethical necessity. You're trying to pull some third grade "it's just a sound wave" bullshit to justify something our society has determined to be offesive and improper. The argument against moral relativism doesn't apply to etiquette, go back and read chapter one. When in Rome do as the Romans...
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For a word to be genuinely offensive, stating the word is going to have to be immoral in itself, or there's not going to be a reason why it's relevant or should be honored other than what I have previously stated.
You're completely wrong.
What is offensive and what is not is a matter of etiquette, not a matter of ethics. Etiquette is based on society's perceptions, that implies a majory opinion. You still following? This society says cussing is offensive and/or something that should be restricted. That is a matter of this society's rules on etiquette, nothing more. The ethical issue is whether it is ethical to break etiquette or not. In this case it is not.
You need to separate the etiquette issues and ethical issues.
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I want you to explain why words can be morally wrong, and why people become offended when they hear these words. I also want to know why saying these words on the internet, where they're published for millions to access is different than using them in a physical location where the maximum audience that can view or hear the curse word(s) in question comes no where near to what one would access through publishing them on the internet.
This is something I consider as being completely irrelevant to morality, and the only case I can see being made about it is a psychological egoist case stating that one ought to not use certain words because some people are offended by it so it may reflect back on your own interests negatively, but that doesn't explain why the people are offended. Just because someone is offended by a set of actions doesn't make it morally incorrect. Trust me, you don't want to go that direction in your counterargument.
Personally, since words convey concepts and I see no reason to limit their use. If you're embarrassed to teach your kid a word because you fear the concept it conveys, you need to get over that. Your child doesn't benefit from you shielding them from learning different concepts, even negative and degrading ones. How is a person supposed to develop an ethical system if they are to know nothing about the essence of what is unethical?
I know I should stay out of these threads, but I never thought I'd see the day when anyone argued against swearing on rhmt.
...between this and the free will thread, when did you become a fucking philosopher?
That's what he's going to school for, dude.
You better back the fuck off or he'll use his exclusive xor on you. Nobody here wants to see you get that fucked up.
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You better back the fuck off or he'll use his exclusive xor on you. Nobody here wants to see you get that fucked up.
lol
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Rawr will rape your nostrils
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That's what he's going to school for, dude.
Must have just finished his intro class then.
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Looks like intro class is all he needed.
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Looks like intro class is all he needed.
I'd just stick to the tuning thing if I were you.
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i smell alot of rank pussy in this thread
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You need to make sure you have a grasp of my argument before you critique it, because you're completely off base with the points that I'm making. I'm arguing against the relevance of the subset of etiquette that is swearing due to it not having any ethical basis. You're also making an allowance for frivolous language by supporting his argument since words like "offensive", which suggest that an action is immoral enough to be an obscenity, were introduced by him, and that was one of the principles I was arguing against which would be apparent if you'd thoroughly read what I've stated.
Furthermore, giving merit, even when it comes to etiquette to something that's based off societies opinions and is customary within that society is a relativist outlook and is inherently bound to ethics as it defines what one ought and ought not do.
I understand your argument perfectly and I'm telling you that you're wrong. You need to separate etiquette from ethics. You're trying to prove a point by talking over his head, strawmaning like no other, and sounding fancy. It's that attitude that makes me think you just walked out of intro to philosophy.
The bottom line is simple. Cussing in public is poor etiquette in our society. That makes it improper and offensive. This is the only point he was trying to make, regardless of how poorly he worded it. Whether you believe it crosses the line into the land of the unethical (and that case can definitely be made in this particular situation) is your own opinion, which, like all opinions, is irrelevant to the arugment.
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Looks like intro class is all he needed.
I'd just stick to the tuning thing if I were you.
Speaking of which, do you know anything about cars? At all? Are you sure you wouldn't be more at home on a whiny political forum?
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Looks like intro class is all he needed.
I'd just stick to the tuning thing if I were you.
Speaking of which, do you know anything about cars? At all? Are you sure you wouldn't be more at home on a whiny political forum?
Aside from you I'm the only person here that wasn't stupid enough to say that inertia dynos measure torque. Is that a start? I'm not the Yoda of t0000ning like yourself (or anything close), but my tech knowledge is well beyond that of people that think they know something.
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NCC Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTNv2dOBFJk&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
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Looks like intro class is all he needed.
I'd just stick to the tuning thing if I were you.
Speaking of which, do you know anything about cars? At all? Are you sure you wouldn't be more at home on a whiny political forum?
Aside from you I'm the only person here that wasn't stupid enough to say that inertia dynos measure torque. Is that a start? I'm not the Yoda of t0000ning like yourself (or anything close), but my tech knowledge is well beyond that of people that think they know something.
You are a fucking idiot who needs to shut up about cars, and find a faggot political forum to blab your ignorance about.
Inertia dynos measure torque just as easily as horsepower. Horsepower and torque (vs rpm) are mathematical functions of each other, you can not measure one without measuring the other. If you really think a load cell is all that accurate, or precise, compared to an inertia drum you're an idiot. A load cell is great for doing part throttles (so is a water brake), but it's reading deteriorates over time unlike the acceleration of a heavy drum.
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Awdstylze is like Complex but with an additude problem.
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What would McCain do............? ???
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I'd love for Tyler to bring some math, or physics, into this discussion. I tear through functional innumerates like Calebs tears through philosophical relativists.
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If you really think a load cell is all that accurate, or precise, compared to an inertia drum you're an idiot. A load cell is great for doing part throttles (so is a water brake), but it's reading deteriorates over time unlike the acceleration of a heavy drum.
Truth! Inertia dyno will be more consistant.
Dyno's should not be used to brag, they are for R&D so that you can evaluate changes you have made. Shit varries too damn much between them. If everybody used the same dyno, you can brag, untill then, realize readings are never right and all they are good for is to evaluate current tune and configuration vs. previous tune and configuration. Do not use 3 different dyno's and think one tuner is nessarily better than another or you made more power cuz you put on a new sticker.
What would McCain do............? ???
X infinity
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and if something i say offends someone then yes, tough shit. im not going to act different in public just because something i say MIGHT offend someone, but i do make it a point to not say it around kids
I'm glad to hear that, being that I have kids and don't appreciate shit like that around them.
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and if something i say offends someone then yes, tough shit. im not going to act different in public just because something i say MIGHT offend someone, but i do make it a point to not say it around kids
I'm glad to hear that, being that I have kids and don't appreciate shit like that around them.
I try, but it slips sometimes
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my cats breath smells like cat food
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if it didnt I'd be worried
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You need to make sure you have a grasp of my argument before you critique it, because you're completely off base with the points that I'm making. I'm arguing against the relevance of the subset of etiquette that is swearing due to it not having any ethical basis. You're also making an allowance for frivolous language by supporting his argument since words like "offensive", which suggest that an action is immoral enough to be an obscenity, were introduced by him, and that was one of the principles I was arguing against which would be apparent if you'd thoroughly read what I've stated.
Furthermore, giving merit, even when it comes to etiquette to something that's based off societies opinions and is customary within that society is a relativist outlook and is inherently bound to ethics as it defines what one ought and ought not do.
I understand your argument perfectly and I'm telling you that you're wrong. You need to separate etiquette from ethics. You're trying to prove a point by talking over his head, strawmaning like no other, and sounding fancy. It's that attitude that makes me think you just walked out of intro to philosophy.
The bottom line is simple. Cussing in public is poor etiquette in our society. That makes it improper and offensive. This is the only point he was trying to make, regardless of how poorly he worded it. Whether you believe it crosses the line into the land of the unethical (and that case can definitely be made in this particular situation) is your own opinion, which, like all opinions, is irrelevant to the arugment.
I'm done arguing with you since you cant seem to do so in a way that's conductive and comes to a point. You don't address any of the premises I introduce, you revert to personal insults, and you also keep reverting to thinking something is true because you stated it. That's not the case. If you wan't to make your point against me, please make an effort to explain as to why I'm incorrect and why you are correct. Telling me I'm wrong is severely insufficient.
Kind of an ironic statement, wouldn't you say? I bolded the part you missed. Sucks when you can't just talk over people's heads, huh? Your "premises" are based on bullshit, that's the problem. I'm addressing the basis of your premises, rather than taking your word for it on them and arguing from there as you'd like me to do. Like I said, sucks when the playing field is level, makes it hard to create your own rules to play by.
Ethics is one thing, etiquette is another. That's the first problem you have. Your second problem is that your arugment boils down to, "words are amoral, therefore he shouldn't be offended." Your third problem is that you aren't comprehending that no one is saying words AREN'T amoral. No one is arguing whether the words themselves are inherently unethical. What's being arguing is whether using the words in public is correct ETIQUETTE. Ethics has nothing to do with it yet. Once you can comprehend the position and what is and isn't being stated, then we can move on the ETHICAL issues of the situation (not the words themselves).
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You are a fucking idiot who needs to shut up about cars, and find a faggot political forum to blab your ignorance about.
Inertia dynos measure torque just as easily as horsepower. Horsepower and torque (vs rpm) are mathematical functions of each other, you can not measure one without measuring the other. If you really think a load cell is all that accurate, or precise, compared to an inertia drum you're an idiot. A load cell is great for doing part throttles (so is a water brake), but it's reading deteriorates over time unlike the acceleration of a heavy drum.
What the fuck are you talking about? The default function of dynojets is to read HP. Acceleration of a known mass... ring a bell? That gives a work measurement, i.e. power, convert to force, i.e. torque... ring another bell? That's all I said. Strawman away about the accuracy of measuring techniques, I never touched it.
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ROFLOL ;D
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A dynamometer or "dyno" for short, is a machine used to measure torque and rotational speed (rpm) from which power produced by an engine, motor or other rotating prime mover can be calculated.
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You are a fucking idiot who needs to shut up about cars, and find a faggot political forum to blab your ignorance about.
Inertia dynos measure torque just as easily as horsepower. Horsepower and torque (vs rpm) are mathematical functions of each other, you can not measure one without measuring the other. If you really think a load cell is all that accurate, or precise, compared to an inertia drum you're an idiot. A load cell is great for doing part throttles (so is a water brake), but it's reading deteriorates over time unlike the acceleration of a heavy drum.
What the fuck are you talking about? The default function of dynojets is to read HP. Acceleration of a known mass... ring a bell? That gives a work measurement, i.e. power, convert to force, i.e. torque... ring another bell? That's all I said. Strawman away about the accuracy of measuring techniques, I never touched it.
What do you know? What does a Dynojunk software default have to do with anything? Using a dynamometer whose designer admits to fudging numbers because he didn't think the unit read high enough on a shitty 80s motorcycle lends zero creedence to your arguments. Forget whatever you were told on HT or EM or one of the several automotive forums you go to discuss politics with intellectual gimps.
An inertial dynamometer measures how long it takes a given engine to accelerate a known rotational inertia, resulting in a TORQUE measurement. The relationship for rotational motion is; TORQUE (t) = rotational inertia (I) times angular acceleration (a), or t = I * a
Rotational inertia (I) is expressed as mass (m) divided by two (2) and then multiplied by the square (2) of the drum's radius (r). As such: I = m/(2 * r2)
Angular acceleration is simply the change in angular velocity, w, over time, t, as so: a = Dw / Dt
An inertia dyno reads TORQUE. Any horsepower calculation is a derivative of the dyno's primary function of reading TORQUE. Further, horsepower is a bullshit measurement to relate to dumb ditch digging hicks how many actual eats-hay-and-shits horses a given engine would replace over 100 years ago. It's a tard measurement, meant for communicating with tards about things they do not understand, and if a Dynojet defaults to it then I guess that sums what a Dynojet is good for. Plug and chug, Tyler, it's simple high school physics.
Also, if I wish to discuss how strain gauges are not repeatable and deteriorate over time in a post discussing the strengths/weaknesses of dynos I shall do so and you can STFU and listen, as you obviously know NOTHING about the subject (or any automotive related subject) and your place is to shut the fuck up and stop interfering with the knowledge pouring into your tiny pin head. When I am finished speaking you may ask specific questions, and I will answer them if it is obvious from the nature of your question that you have paid attention and are not wasting my time with your stupidity.
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The fact that something is a rule of etiquette is not adequate justification for being bound to that rule. That's considered rule warship.
That's why you're STILL missing the point. No one is bound by anything because it's a matter of ETIQUETTE, not ethics. Etiquette IS relative. Proper etiquette varies by region and culture. Again, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Etiquette doesn't need to be grounded in anything because no one (except you, because you're so hung up on it) is arguing for the universal truth or rightness of rules of etiquette. I'm speaking in relation to our society only. Etiquette can be as trivial as using the correct spoons for soup and salad at a formal dinner. There is no solid foundation in ethics for that rule, but it is etiquette nonetheless. You don't have to agree with the rules, you don't have to like the rules, and the rules don't even have to make sense to you. All that matters is that when you break the rules, people get pissed off. The rules themselves are not an ethical code and are not ethically founded, but they exist.
Now let me really spell this out for your intro level ass in regard to the example being discussed.
The fact that wearing a shirt with "TWAT" on it in public is poor etiquette in our society has already been established.
The jackass's failure to follow the etiquette rules in this case led to 97's mother being offended and put off, which is to be expected because that's exactly what the etiquette rules are designed to prevent.
It follows pretty simply (when you get above phil101) that biker douchebag failed in his duty to respect persons by offending an innocent lady with his failure to follow soceity's code of etiquette.
We have three issues here now. You aren't understanding because you're lumping them into one.
Issue #1: Biker wearing a shirt that says TWAT.
This issues DOES NOT break any rules of ethics.
This issues DOES NOT break any rules of etiquette.
Issue #2: Biker wearing a shirt that says TWAT in public.
This issue DOES NOT break any rules of ethics.
This issue DOES break the rules of etiquette.
Issues #3: Biker's actions offend and inconvience 97's mother, thus failing to properly respect her.
This DOES break the rules of ethics.
This issue DOES break the rules of etiquette.
Are you understanding it now that it's broken down elementary style?
The last time I checked, Kant said good is created when people do what they ought to do, rather than what they want to do. He was also all about respect for persons and the inherent good in actions.
Although there is nothing inherently, ethically wrong with the word TWAT, and the biker is bound by no ethical rule that says he cannot wear the shirt in public, he OUGHT to have some repect for the people that are sensitive to the rules of etiquette. He has a duty to respect his fellow man, and that includes not having a "if they don't like it, fuck 'em" attitude.
You're biggest problem is that you cannot get over the idea that the nature of the word TWAT and rules of etiquette are not universal constants. You can't seem to grasp that I'm not trying to make a case for the universal rightness of our society's rules of etiquette. Honestly, I couldn't give two shits whether our rules of etiquette are ethically founded and universally applicable, because that not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing them in the context of only our own society, only in this particular case, and in the way in which they effect people. Once you get past the mind fuck that comes with the intro class and the feeling of knowing it all, and you come back to normal people land you'll be able to think clearly, less arrogantly, and less abstractly.
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An inertial dynamometer measures how long it takes a given engine to accelerate a known rotational inertia, resulting in a TORQUE measurement.
Ok you got me, you bald bitch.
But you're still a nigger that surrounds yourself with idiots in order to feel smart. If you want to demonstrate that I'm one of the idiots, it might make you feel better, but it's only proving my point.
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If you think that's all that matters, I have no reason to talk to you because you're not interested in questioning the principles of things, nor are you demonstrating an ability to abstract to the level needed to properly deal with these concepts. As for the Philosophy 101 remark.
In that case I'm mistaken. You've been in it too long and your brain has turned to mush. You've lost your ability to think clearly and NON-abstractly. So when a simple case like this comes up you're questioning the origins of the universe and meaning of life instead of using what you learned and applying a little common sense to make PRACTICAL solutions.
Or maybe you just missed the applied ethics class...
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Also Kant stated the only thing good in it's self is a good will. Kant's system of ethics is a normative system of ethics that focuses on the will of a person and his categorical imperative creates some interesting cases where it seems to be a contradiction to apply kantian ethics.
Yea, don't worry I caught that completely unrelated tidbit. You sound like JD just spewing random facts for the hell of it.
Good will is doing the right thing for the right thing's sake. In this case, doing the right thing is being a decent person and following society's etiquette so as to not disrespect your fellow persons.
You know as well as I do that what I'm saying for this particular case is correct. I just felt like bringing things back to reality because your abstract questioning of the rightness of our society's etiquette rules was grossly off the point and best saved for class and that special time when you play with yourself at night.
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Id just like to say thanks to danjmu for showing me the most awesome band ever on the planet and NO Nostrills were raped in the making of this thread.
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Also Kant stated the only thing good in it's self is a good will. Kant's system of ethics is a normative system of ethics that focuses on the will of a person and his categorical imperative creates some interesting cases where it seems to be a contradiction to apply kantian ethics.
Yea, don't worry I caught that completely unrelated tidbit. You sound like JD just spewing random facts for the hell of it.
Good will is doing the right thing for the right thing's sake. In this case, doing the right thing is being a decent person and following society's etiquette so as to not disrespect your fellow persons.
You know as well as I do that what I'm saying for this particular case is correct. I just felt like bringing things back to reality because your abstract questioning of the rightness of our society's etiquette rules was grossly off the point and best saved for class and that special time when you play with yourself at night.
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Terrific, terrific.