:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: hamburgler on March 31, 2009, 03:05:22 AM
-
I built myself an oil manifold today, so that I don't have tee's hanging off the back of my block. I also routed my Vtec oil line from the manifold too. Now Ill sell my Golden Eagle sandwich plate and think to myself, why didn't I do this earlier.
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi20.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb219%2Fhamburgler39%2FIMG_0558.jpg&hash=5594b437e73a4c5e3744c3ba2c27b9f083aee6a5)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi20.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb219%2Fhamburgler39%2FIMG_0557.jpg&hash=c5c58527835c2b768b0e93e2021df7136578087f)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi20.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb219%2Fhamburgler39%2FIMG_0556.jpg&hash=382534a16936c9e7c4dd7023b124e324abad056d)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi20.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb219%2Fhamburgler39%2FIMG_0560.jpg&hash=ee4478fcb88d3be7940d15728dc2bd55a2274fa1)
-
Hmmm I like that. How is the oil pressure? does it flow enough volume from the block fitting to supply all of that?
-
Exactly what Ive had going on for a couple years... No leaks, and free from vibration being on the firewall... :noel:
-
Hmmm I like that. How is the oil pressure? does it flow enough volume from the block fitting to supply all of that?
I hope so. I have not actually run the car yet. The volume is not that big. It's actually pretty small within the manifold. The two oil pressure sensors will just be like a plug, so really I'm just teeing off the back of the block to the Vtec head and turbo. Ill keep you posted.
-
Hmmm I like that. How is the oil pressure? does it flow enough volume from the block fitting to supply all of that?
I hope so. I have not actually run the car yet. The volume is not that big. It's actually pretty small within the manifold. The two oil pressure sensors will just be like a plug, so really I'm just teeing off the back of the block to the Vtec head and turbo. Ill keep you posted.
Ok cool let us know. I have one of those PA air manifolds sitting around cause I bought the GE vacuum manifold.
-
Cool, I made the same thing a couple months ago, same placement and all :noel: Yours a bit cleaner, though...
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv215%2Fsklev%2FDSCN5460.jpg&hash=f6a4b23eb500d7e27cf3d3e3d23d4a81e3014d65)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv215%2Fsklev%2Fcivic%2FDSCN5501.jpg&hash=0ff2f323cdcfa8627654e4561b7ae21103d36b19)
If you want the oil pressure sender to show the pressure the engine is seeing, the oil hose coming into the manifold should be bigger than the hoses going to the turbo/vtec.
-
i got one of those blue things from Lowerit when he was down for the GRM $2008 challenge. i was going to do the same thing, but just havent gotten around to it yet.
-
i hope that your not pulling oil from the stock oil pressure sender spot :-\
-
what fitting did you use for your stainless line to the back of the block?
-
i hope that your not pulling oil from the stock oil pressure sender spot :-\
I have a similar setup and I am pulling oil from the stock location. I drilled it out to 1/4 NPT though and run a -6 off the block to feed the distroblock. Oil pressure is great. about 70 on startup and 15ish at idle when warm.
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thezcr.com%2Fgallery%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2F100_2254.JPG&hash=ca99022c4fab3740c196fd59bb7e1cc56f42682c)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thezcr.com%2Fgallery%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2F100_2259.JPG&hash=55541db59a601c01206cf4e98cb060c7631b13c0)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thezcr.com%2Fgallery%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2F100_2262.JPG&hash=e01ae1337f09c467c6ea0c1cdac4599ac6bd0598)
-
i hope that your not pulling oil from the stock oil pressure sender spot :-\
Yeah, I am. Why? Its an 1/8" NPT to -4AN fitting.
-
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
-
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
That's my concern too, Is there somewhere else to pull it from or do guys just go to a sandwich?
-
I've seen a fitting that goes in place of the one plug on the oil pump not sure how safe it is to tap into that location but it def would provide enough oil pressure :-P
-
Best of all , they aare $4 @ princess auto.
I use them for vacuum on both the GRM car and the Corvair.
Gonna have to try it for oil.
-
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
Ya, I hear what your saying. Ill have to try it out then and Ill get back to all of you. I thought about that, but figured since the whole motor is under oil pressure, a -4AN hole shouldnt make much of a difference. I was getting around 60psi at higher RPM with the oil pressure gauge in line with my turbo. Now, the only difference is that it's teed off to Vtec as well. Thanks for the suggestions anyways.
-
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
Ya, I hear what your saying. Ill have to try it out then and Ill get back to all of you. I thought about that, but figured since the whole motor is under oil pressure, a -4AN hole shouldnt make much of a difference. I was getting around 60psi at higher RPM with the oil pressure gauge in line with my turbo. Now, the only difference is that it's teed off to Vtec as well. Thanks for the suggestions anyways.
I think its more to due with the amount of oil and not the pressure, the oil pressure port is kind of small to feed a turbo and vtec head...but you might be fine...
-
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
Ya, I hear what your saying. Ill have to try it out then and Ill get back to all of you. I thought about that, but figured since the whole motor is under oil pressure, a -4AN hole shouldnt make much of a difference. I was getting around 60psi at higher RPM with the oil pressure gauge in line with my turbo. Now, the only difference is that it's teed off to Vtec as well. Thanks for the suggestions anyways.
You have to consider pressure and volume. When you add another device in the line, you'll have a pressure drop. I don't know shit about hondas, but I've seen threads where people did what you just did and fucked up something from it not getting enough oil. Personally, My turbo has it's own feed. If I had vtak, it would have it's own feed too.
-
I've seen a fitting that goes in place of the one plug on the oil pump not sure how safe it is to tap into that location but it def would provide enough oil pressure :-P
Problem is that port is right behind the alternator bracket, at least on the d series there is no way to use that.
-
I've seen a fitting that goes in place of the one plug on the oil pump not sure how safe it is to tap into that location but it def would provide enough oil pressure :-P
Problem is that port is right behind the alternator bracket, at least on the d series there is no way to use that.
Word I think the one i saw was for an H series...probably why it isn't used to often then...
-
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
Ya, I hear what your saying. Ill have to try it out then and Ill get back to all of you. I thought about that, but figured since the whole motor is under oil pressure, a -4AN hole shouldnt make much of a difference. I was getting around 60psi at higher RPM with the oil pressure gauge in line with my turbo. Now, the only difference is that it's teed off to Vtec as well. Thanks for the suggestions anyways.
You have to consider pressure and volume. When you add another device in the line, you'll have a pressure drop. I don't know shit about hondas, but I've seen threads where people did what you just did and fucked up something from it not getting enough oil. Personally, My turbo has it's own feed. If I had vtak, it would have it's own feed too.
Which is why I'll watch the oil pressure. My guess is that oil pressure will be fine until Vtec kicks in. Then there will be about 10psi pressure drop, to 50psi, which is still fine. But Ill let you all know!
-
Best of all , they aare $4 @ princess auto.
I use them for vacuum on both the GRM car and the Corvair.
Gonna have to try it for oil.
princess vato for the win :somb:
-
Best of all , they aare $4 @ princess auto.
I use them for vacuum on both the GRM car and the Corvair.
Gonna have to try it for oil.
princess vato for the win :somb:
Magic markers for the win :noel:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi20.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb219%2Fhamburgler39%2FIMG_0546.jpg&hash=ae2e80649d339afeb2b6982f8899d57706f3e465)
-
Nice block heater. You're in Calgary right? If so drive down to Okotoks and do some burnouts and panty rippers in front of Dvst8r's house to motivate that old fuck to work on his cummins.
-
how does the vtec work, is it a valve that opens up and the oil pressure holds it open without the oil drainign back to the pan or does it continuously drain back?
-
how does the vtec work, is it a valve that opens up and the oil pressure holds it open without the oil drainign back to the pan or does it continuously drain back?
Huh? Yes, there is a pin that locks the high cam. Of course all oil from the head will drain back to the pan.
-
I dont think vtec uses alot of oil volume. Its just a small hydraulic pin that pops into place. Once its locked the only real volume of oil would be from leaks around the pin (am I correct?).
-
the concern isn't how much vtec uses but if there is enough oil flowing to the head to keep the cams lubed well ;)
-
those blue things are like $2 at harbor freight and work well for vac manifolds too
-
the concern isn't how much vtec uses but if there is enough oil flowing to the head to keep the cams lubed well ;)
Isn't that a separate supply from between cylinder 2 and 3?
-
the concern isn't how much vtec uses but if there is enough oil flowing to the head to keep the cams lubed well ;)
Isn't that a separate supply from between cylinder 2 and 3?
Ya, the Vtec feed line is completely separate from the oil supply line to the head. There is a small port under the middle cam cradle between 2-3, I believe.
-
It uses pressure (~36psi min), not volume - it would be like a very small leak, less than a turbo, since the rocker pins/arms/shafts don't use o-rings. D-series motors get oil from the colum directly above the oil filter - it goes to the head, does a sharp 90* over to the end to the solenoid, then is distributed through holes in the rocker shafts. For the dohc vtec blocks, its at the corner and does the same thing after the solenoid. Once the solenoid closes (on both), that pressure is released out into the head via relief port in the top corner; since you can't compress liquid, its just a little splash.
Think about it though, do you think Honda would divert 50% of the oil volume away from the bearings when they need them the most?
-
It uses pressure (~36psi min), not volume - it would be like a very small leak, less than a turbo, since the rocker pins/arms/shafts don't use o-rings. D-series motors get oil from the colum directly above the oil filter - it goes to the head, does a sharp 90* over to the end to the solenoid, then is distributed through holes in the rocker shafts. For the dohc vtec blocks, its at the corner and does the same thing after the solenoid. Once the solenoid closes (on both), that pressure is released out into the head via relief port in the top corner; since you can't compress liquid, its just a little splash.
Think about it though, do you think Honda would divert 50% of the oil volume away from the bearings when they need them the most?
So are you saying my setup won't work?
-
No I'm saying nigga stole my bike. (http://bikestolemy.ytmnd.com)
No I'm saying it should work. I'd still use as large a feed as possible, at least match the 1/4" fitting ID. I guess you can give it a shot, worse case you don't have VTEC when its warmed up 100%.
-
No I'm saying nigga stole my bike. (http://bikestolemy.ytmnd.com)
No I'm saying it should work. I'd still use as large a feed as possible, at least match the 1/4" fitting ID. I guess you can give it a shot, worse case you don't have VTEC when its warmed up 100%.
Lol, ok. All lines to and from are -4 AN. I'm not changing anything. Im rocking a Holset so I dont have a restrictor which would have increased the pressure. Should know by Sunday.
-
You should put a restrictor inline for your holset.
-
You should put a restrictor inline for your holset.
It didn't come with one in the factory Dodge 5.9L
-
pop rivets make great oil restrictors
-
Nice block heater. You're in Calgary right? If so drive down to Okotoks and do some burnouts and panty rippers in front of Dvst8r's house to motivate that old fuck to work on his cummins.
He's from Saskatoon. city of trick sluts 8)
Adam, im gonna be coming up, is the long branch a good bar? i hear there is a lot of bitches there.
-
pop rivets make great oil restrictors
So does drilling out a small philips head screw and placing it between the male and female -4AN fitting. I use a 1/16" bit which is approximately 0.063". It works great every time and does leak with the AN fittings. But in my case, I found that the Holset doesn't need an oil restrictor. The 60spi it sees is good. I used this trick for the last few years of my journal bearing turbos.
-
pop rivets make great oil restrictors
So does drilling out a small philips head screw and placing it between the male and female -4AN fitting. I use a 1/16" bit which is approximately 0.063". It works great every time and does leak with the AN fittings. But in my case, I found that the Holset doesn't need an oil restrictor. The 60spi it sees is good. I used this trick for the last few years of my journal bearing turbos.
The Branch on Thursday is good. That's their busy night. I don't go there much though. Every other night is slow from what I've heard.
-
btw i asked about where the oil is coming from because the oil at the pressure sender is NOT FILTERED. your pulling oil from before the filter and sending it directly to your cams/turbo? buy an Endyn/GE plate adapter...
-
btw i asked about where the oil is coming from because the oil at the pressure sender is NOT FILTERED. your pulling oil from before the filter and sending it directly to your cams/turbo? buy an Endyn/GE plate adapter...
it is on a d series.
-
btw i asked about where the oil is coming from because the oil at the pressure sender is NOT FILTERED. your pulling oil from before the filter and sending it directly to your cams/turbo? buy an Endyn/GE plate adapter...
More details. I have a fitting at the back of my block where the stock oil pressure sensor was.
-
BUMP!!! This oil manifold does not work. I believe its not sending enough oil to the Vtec solenoid. Vtec kicks in and out and sounds like poo. I can't see it being good for the car either.
Back to a sandwich plate it is.
-
Damn what did I say ??
Ive heard of people running into vreck not working when you pull it from the stock oil sender location. I dont think it flows enough oil for the head and the turbo at higher rpms.
-
Had to try it. Never said you were wrong...
Just posted this bump so that others wouldn't try this. I have another theory as to why it didn't work. Ill post pics in a few days. But yes, I'm pretty sure your right!
-
I understand, sometimes you just have to try it for yourself to find out that your wrong.
-
Clean the mani out and use it for Vaccuum.
-
I understand, sometimes you just have to try it for yourself to find out that your wrong.
Not totally wrong yet buddy. Ill keep you posted.