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Title: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Foowee on May 29, 2010, 10:51:14 PM
Since you kids aren't engineers/geologists/overeducated/inexperienced morons...  How would you plug a hole in the water?

Idk if jb weld will cure under 2200psi or 125ish atomopheres n how ever cold it is down there... 

Any ideas?
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jagojon3 on May 29, 2010, 10:53:57 PM
This site has engineers, and over educated and inexperienced morons, probably a geologist although I'm unaware of any

I'd use a nuke.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Stealthmode on May 29, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
I'd shove it full of welfare moms, and cap it with a 64 Impala.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jagojon3 on May 29, 2010, 10:59:20 PM
I'd shove it full of welfare moms, and cap it with a 64 Impala.

That begs an mspaint
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 29, 2010, 11:24:30 PM
Well, these guys want to use illegal aliens: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1059607/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1059607/pg1)

The consensus majority on this site is a hammer and a banana: http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/How-Can-You-Fix-A-Hole-In-The-Ocean/159568 (http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/How-Can-You-Fix-A-Hole-In-The-Ocean/159568)

This guy appeals to homosexuals as experts on plugging holes: http://betaboards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/192419538/r192419557/ (http://betaboards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/192419538/r192419557/)

Personally?  IDK, let me think about it.  20% chance I'll come up with something that sounds really fucking feasible (but may not be/probably isn't for reasons not readily apparent), 80% chance a real zinger.  Bonus points and three regrown hair follicles for pulling both off at the same time.


Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jeffsciv23 on May 29, 2010, 11:29:46 PM
I'd shove it full of welfare moms, and cap it with a 64 Impala.

you got my vote for welfare moms but ive been prepping a 64 all week for paint so im kinda against that one
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Hotrodlincoln on May 29, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
Hotpockets, a bakers dozen of them.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: highroller54 on May 29, 2010, 11:51:57 PM
First car I ever rode in was a blue 64 impala, I'm not even mexican  :mexi:
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jeffsciv23 on May 30, 2010, 12:05:17 AM
im not either but ill post pics once this one is done and put back together
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: RotaryGeek on May 30, 2010, 12:17:51 AM
I don't know how i would plug it, but its made everything about my side hobby expensive already. I have a reef tank, and corals are already starting to sky rocket. Its only going to get worse too.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on May 30, 2010, 12:20:26 AM
Id stuff it with a blue dash and seal it with the herpes of hundreds of hotsex tainted litle boys..




On a serious note, I suppose I havent really thought about it. Pretty hard to stuff somehting thats spewing 2200PSI at 5K feet underwater, jesus fuck the pressure is CRAZY.

Without some sort of evasive and highly resiliant aproach howeer this thing MAY BE doomed to run its course.





BP:



















FUCK YOU
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Foowee on May 30, 2010, 12:26:20 AM
Pretty hard to stuff somehting thats spewing 2200PSI at 5K feet underwater, jesus fuck the pressure is CRAZY.

Without some sort of evasive and highly resiliant aproach howeer this thing MAY BE doomed to run its course.

I don't think the well is spewing at 2200 psi...  @5k feet there is aproximately 2200psi from the water...
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Jorsher on May 30, 2010, 12:26:35 AM
I'd break off a big chunk of California and park it over the leak.  Then I would fill it with all the worthless people and criminals, surely causing old cali to sink under the weight of their fat asses.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: snm95ls on May 30, 2010, 12:28:10 AM
So is it 2200 psig at depth?

If so, that is pretty intense.



Sounds like the Russians did it right way before BP.  Nuke the fucker.  BP can drill another goddamn well it the reserve is as big as they say it is.

Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Foowee on May 30, 2010, 12:35:50 AM
yup...

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/games/depth_press (http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/games/depth_press)

I think pressure is squared as you go deeper...  idk for sure, I'm not a diver, yet...
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: snm95ls on May 30, 2010, 12:50:14 AM
yup...

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/games/depth_press (http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/games/depth_press)

I think pressure is squared as you go deeper...  idk for sure, I'm not a diver, yet...

Eh, I wasn't too clear as to what I meant.  I was wondering if that 2200 psi figure was the pressure behind the oil spewing out.

Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: NaturalDecimal on May 30, 2010, 01:02:52 AM
in russia when is time to fix we make big metal hat then drop on

promise wont go no where!

think like this... big metal hat... drop down on - then oil live in hat, hat too heavy to go away! the end.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: HiProfile on May 30, 2010, 01:18:28 AM
God damn, why hasn't anyone thought of this:









Buk-welded butt plug, aka buk-plug. Instant success.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Jorsher on May 30, 2010, 01:25:33 AM
God damn, why hasn't anyone thought of this:









Buk-welded butt plug, aka buk-plug. Instant success.

Honestly I did consider that, but buk welding would create more holes/fires than it would stop.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: sfa22r on May 30, 2010, 03:14:06 AM
The entire NW Fluffy crew.  Problem solved.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jagojon3 on May 30, 2010, 03:29:13 AM
Fuck BP

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FP0qkj.jpg&hash=19e631aee02c805ceaf97c50f6bfe7a94da603de)
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: colt45 on May 30, 2010, 03:41:09 AM
well, i've been praying to buhda, but he ain't done shit yet...
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: chris on May 30, 2010, 03:47:54 AM
turn off the valve
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: bouncinofftherevlimiter on May 30, 2010, 03:58:23 AM
turn off the valve

well if the BOPs were checked like they were supposed to be, it would have been that simple....

halliburton fuck something up?? never... ::)

2200psi sounds like alot, but we deal with that kind of pressure all the time out here, but when its spewing out of control, it is rather scary...
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: bob_barker on May 30, 2010, 04:30:14 AM
I'm not sure how deep this fucker is but can they get like a submarine and put a bigger pipe over the exzisting one i mean like a section at a time or something just so they can fill up tankers not the best plan but fuck It doesnt seem like there doing anything else.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: j.h.christ on May 30, 2010, 05:07:29 AM
I'm not sure how deep this fucker is but can they get like a submarine and put a bigger pipe over the exzisting one i mean like a section at a time or something just so they can fill up tankers not the best plan but fuck It doesnt seem like there doing anything else.

you have any idea what 5000 feet of ocean does to a submersible?
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: bob_barker on May 30, 2010, 05:17:24 AM
nope fuck the ocean  :mexi:
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 30, 2010, 05:25:53 AM
There's submersibles that will go a mile down, but they aren't designed to do work once down there.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: j.h.christ on May 30, 2010, 05:30:36 AM
There's submersibles that will go a mile down, but they aren't designed to do work once down there.

exactly. let alone fucking around with an 80 ton top hat or whatever the fuck they're calling it.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: chris on May 30, 2010, 05:34:28 AM
port the hole larger
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: j.h.christ on May 30, 2010, 05:50:05 AM
port the hole larger

with what? drilling a cased hole down that deep would be next to impossible. the geometry would have to be perfect, aka not possible.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: crttaz on May 30, 2010, 06:44:55 AM
easy fix, cap the hole with Jeremy's widebody ass.

win-win right????
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: snm95ls on May 30, 2010, 10:04:59 AM
Rachel Maddow- The more spills change_ the more they stay the same (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo&feature=player_embedded#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

 :?:
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: hotrex on May 30, 2010, 11:23:25 AM
i would setup a rig much like a test ball for ductile iron lines with an inflatable rubber ball at the end.   plunge the rod into the pipe far enough to get good bite with the ball and inflate it with nitrogen.   or some other gas that does not fluctuate density with temperature change.  have a hook on the ball like and a pincher release mechanism on the pole/  once the ball is inflated and the oil is pinched off release the grapple  pull the rod up and drink beers to celebrate success
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: hotrex on May 30, 2010, 11:25:39 AM
or if u wanted to get creative u could excite 30 or 40 male horses.  clampo off their boners, extract them, tie then together and then shoot them into the pipe with johnnys moms pussy
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 30, 2010, 11:39:41 AM
Sheer genius.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: sewell94 on May 30, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
or if u wanted to get creative u could excite 30 or 40 male horses.  clampo off their boners, extract them, tie then together and then shoot them into the pipe with johnnys moms pussy

I lol'd
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: N1 Andy on May 30, 2010, 12:27:48 PM
in russia when is time to fix we make big metal hat then drop on

promise wont go no where!

think like this... big metal hat... drop down on - then oil live in hat, hat too heavy to go away! the end.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe183%2Fallmotoreh2%2Funtitled-2.jpg&hash=d20fe82b69009eb799d512ef26b03e6b0a564396)

Is this what you are suggesting? We should forward this technical drawing to the White House, anyone have Obama's email address?
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: CSaddict on May 30, 2010, 12:54:32 PM
They should stuff Haiti in the fucking hole. 2 problems solved.

You're welcome world.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 30, 2010, 01:01:51 PM
THIS THREAD IS FULL OF BRILLIANCE
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: SDRAWKCAB on May 30, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
2 darkies one headshot.  O0
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Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Jorsher on May 30, 2010, 02:09:54 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi284.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll5%2FJ0r5h3r%2Fbpnis.jpg&hash=1f940a836c19428a6a2a3e74333e57841855a5f9)

Apparently they're planning to pump it to the moon where there won't be any environmental consequences.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Foowee on May 30, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
Okay, so now we're gonna put the moon in geosynchronous orbit?  No more tidal shifting...

We need to get dmc in here with his solar sails... 
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Jorsher on May 30, 2010, 02:20:22 PM
Okay, so now we're gonna put the moon in geosynchronous orbit?  No more tidal shifting...

We need to get dmc in here with his solar sails... 

Nope, flexible dildo sir.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: HiProfile on May 30, 2010, 02:23:18 PM
2 darkies one headshot.  O0
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi250.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg278%2Fbigbsbeats%2Funtitled-4.jpg&hash=8418e7ef5aa4722531a350e3013405d2db2c2195)

That would be great. Oil is less dense, and is shooting straight up. Start sucking the water, seperate it, profit.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: arsenio on May 30, 2010, 02:49:29 PM
or if u wanted to get creative u could excite 30 or 40 male horses.  clampo off their boners, extract them, tie then together and then shoot them into the pipe with johnnys moms pussy

It would look something like this.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freeimagehosting.net%2Fuploads%2F3a468987d3.gif&hash=13f663a48827b204e9dc555969c3905041f4212b)
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 30, 2010, 02:55:56 PM
Okay, so now we're gonna put the moon in geosynchronous orbit?  No more tidal shifting...

We need to get dmc in here with his solar sails... 

Nope, flexible dildo sir.

Phototropic dildo, you mean.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Doug on May 30, 2010, 07:03:44 PM
problem solved

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Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: SDRAWKCAB on May 30, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
problem solved

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He would float and is all spongy.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: rsmith2786 on May 31, 2010, 11:28:43 AM
2200 psi is nothing.  That riser is good for at least 6 thousand.  It's a really complicated problem though.  The riser is twisted like a pretzel and is leaking in a few areas.  Do you risk cutting the riser to give better access to plug it?  If things go wrong you'll have a hell of a lot more flow but there is a decent chance of success.  I don't know if you guys are familar with how a BOP works but it's basically designed to detect blowout through the rapid increase in pressure and force HUGE rams shut.  These rams are designed to slice through whatever is in it's way...including large diameter 1''+ wall pipe.  It sounds like something went wrong or the BOP was undersized at it wasn't able to shear whatever was in its way.  Since it's partially closed a junk shot has a decent chance of working.  The top kill had no chance of working.  The flow was too high for the relatively small difference in density.  Maybe if they used mercury or something it would have had a chance, haha.  It looks like the relief well is what we'll be waiting for.  I think they should just cut right at the mud mat and be ready with 5000 feet of 36''X2'' or larger pipe.  Whatever it takes to get around everything.  Then just drive it in over everything.  Drive it down a hundred feet or so into the mud.  Out in the golf it's common to drive pipe down like that since the ground is so soft.  Another idea would be a large explosive device to try to collapse the hole.  However, in order to do that you'd need to cut the pipe.  Very risky if things don't work.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: arsenio on May 31, 2010, 11:43:33 AM
Oil and water don't mix. Just collect the oil at the surface and turn into gasoline.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: rawr2d2 on May 31, 2010, 01:18:38 PM
Oil and water don't mix. Just collect the oil at the surface and turn into gasoline.

oil and water don't mix but oil and water can be mixed with molecules with a polar and non polar head.



I say we catch it on fire and burn the golf coast.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: t_cel_t on May 31, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Oil and water don't mix. Just collect the oil at the surface and turn into gasoline.
emulsification
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: 90boostdaccord on May 31, 2010, 05:20:19 PM
hilarity in this thread. lol
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: lsone_chevelle on May 31, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
i would setup a rig much like a test ball for ductile iron lines with an inflatable rubber ball at the end.   plunge the rod into the pipe far enough to get good bite with the ball and inflate it with nitrogen.   or some other gas that does not fluctuate density with temperature change.  have a hook on the ball like and a pincher release mechanism on the pole/  once the ball is inflated and the oil is pinched off release the grapple  pull the rod up and drink beers to celebrate success

only thing I would add to this is some sort of internal pipe dies to all a solid grab on the pipe, then utilize the rubber ball to do th sealing. DONE. You and I, millionhairs.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: NaturalDecimal on June 01, 2010, 06:23:42 PM
in russia when is time to fix we make big metal hat then drop on

promise wont go no where!

think like this... big metal hat... drop down on - then oil live in hat, hat too heavy to go away! the end.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe183%2Fallmotoreh2%2Funtitled-2.jpg&hash=d20fe82b69009eb799d512ef26b03e6b0a564396)

Is this what you are suggesting? We should forward this technical drawing to the White House, anyone have Obama's email address?


I email this picture and my proposal to president but no response. Email BP, and 10 minute later they send me thank you card in mail, say I hero, they doing now.

"The company is, however, trying another risky temporary fix to contain the oil and siphon it to the surface by sawing through the leaking pipe and putting a cap over the spill."
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Travis on June 01, 2010, 06:56:03 PM
turn off the valve

well if the BOPs were checked like they were supposed to be, it would have been that simple....

halliburton fuck something up?? never... ::)



hallibortion*, those guys are fucking morons, just as much as weatherford. i love when they come out to the rig, pure entertainment
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: lsone_chevelle on June 01, 2010, 07:56:25 PM
turn off the valve

well if the BOPs were checked like they were supposed to be, it would have been that simple....

halliburton fuck something up?? never... ::)



hallibortion*, those guys are fucking morons, just as much as weatherford. i love when they come out to the rig, pure entertainment

crazy, we call them that up in Canada too. Retards
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: rawr2d2 on June 03, 2010, 01:46:31 AM
canadatards.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: drivin96 on June 03, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
to control the population i say just plug it with a 1/4 of all asians ..problem solved ...... or use the pope ...he'll plug any young hole
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: ryan89crx on June 03, 2010, 01:19:59 PM
port the hole larger
And put a throttle body spacer with 74mm TB on it  :noel:
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jabberwock on June 03, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
Use my cock?


Trick question?
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: NaturalDecimal on June 03, 2010, 05:09:14 PM
theres a certain forum related to the chimpanzee family of primate that would likely respond to this query with a slew of "muh dicks"
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: 92CXyD on June 03, 2010, 05:44:44 PM
This topic reminds me of a classic philosophical question, "Would you plug a hole in a dike?"  ;D :yes: ;D :?: :evil:
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 03, 2010, 07:12:04 PM
Ive been watching the live feed in a couple of windows for the past couple hours.... They're about to drop that fucker on... Or try at least
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: Lowerit on June 03, 2010, 09:11:02 PM
The answer is and always has been




















































CRX
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: 97Econobox on June 04, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
I love reading the folks that think its the 2012 shit come true.  Entertaining.

Although reading the conspiracy that Obama actually doesn't want to cap it so he can drive the coal and oil business out is absolutely hilarious as well.

Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jabberwock on June 04, 2010, 10:15:58 AM
I will produce epic lulz when the slick covers the globe then the hole continues to flow, thickening it up to a point where a lightning strike burns us all.

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Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: arsenio on June 04, 2010, 08:01:06 PM
Kitty litter.
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: jarebear667 on June 05, 2010, 03:32:13 PM
nukes.. it will never stop..
Title: Re: If you wanted to plug a hole in the ocean, how would you do it?
Post by: rsmith2786 on June 05, 2010, 05:30:01 PM
Man we love drama in this country.  This isn't the first time this has happened.  We don't seem to give a shit when it happens elsewhere in the world but when it happens here in 'merika people go nuts.  The relief well will work it just may take a few attempts.  So far this incident has pretty much mirrored the Pemex incident from '79.