:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: stealthiskey on July 28, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
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I've decided to buy a 80s Porsche 944 turbo. Everyone who has owned one loves them, everyone else thinks they would be a maintenance nightmare.
What do you think, and what is a good price to pay for one?
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I have seen nice ones for 5-7K , Nightmare - no , but they do need maintenance and care. can't treat it like a honda , not change the oil and just add it , not change timing belts...ect
people more the smarter then I will probably chime in. I run PCA events in a borrowed 911 , 944 Turbo's are fast and the owners love em
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eh. they are problematic, they are hard to work on.
that being said, you should be able to find a pretty decent one for around 5k maybe less
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They aren't as bad as a dsm. But they are getting older. Mine has 185k miles and runs fine. If you want a fast street car they rock, but if I was going to race, id get something else.
I paid $700 for mine broken, clean ones go for $4500-6000 depending on where you are. Plan on at least changing the water pump and timing belts.
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LSX swap it
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Always had a soft spot for them, would love to get one and put a different motor in it
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Yep I've always liked em as well. At least the aesthetics. I have no idea on the mechanical innards.
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Go for an '89 or newer.
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LSX swap it
That seems to fix a lot of reliability & power issues for older rwd cars.
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LSX swap it
Drove one of those in a '90, I must say with upgraded suspension and brakes, it was some of the most fun I've had driving a car on the street.
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Turbo LSX swap it
Fixed
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Go for an '89 or newer.
Why do you say that? Shitty abs and a laggy turbine housing make 89 better?
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Go for an '89 or newer.
Why do you say that? Shitty abs and a laggy turbine housing make 89 better?
'89 and later were more powerful, had better suspension, bushings, extra chassis rigidity, nicer interiors etc.
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There is a 944 just down the street from me. It has a forsale sign it and they want $4700 for it.
I do not think it even has a turbo. :?:
Are they really worth it?
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From what I hear the non turbo is pretty different. Different body kinda, diff tyranny, diff suspension. Kinda bogus
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Go for an '89 or newer.
Why do you say that? Shitty abs and a laggy turbine housing make 89 better?
'89 and later were more powerful, had better suspension, bushings, extra chassis rigidity, nicer interiors etc.
It got a whopping "35hp", most of that being a boost increase, no changes to the motor, you only got the beter suspension with the M030 option, which was also available in 86-88, I know nothing of this extra chassis ridgidity you speak of, never seen that written anywhere from porsche, the interiors are all the same apart from minor things like the ashtray and airbag steering wheel from 86-91.
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my dad has an '86 944 turbo.
around here in goog mechanical condition and ok exterior(no crashes) they go for anywhere between $7000 to $11000 mostly depends on milage.
my dad bought his a while ago for $6000, put in all new gaskets, water pump, now a clutch, koni yellows
and basically a whole new a/c unit for $1500.
pros- pretty fast stock, LSD, can run on 87octane if needed.
chippable, can be tuned by TunerPro, or atlantis dme editor to gain alot more power. my dad hasn't let me chip his yet.
cons- parts are somewhat expensive. at least compared to civic shit
clutch alone was $700 for oem, although about the same for South Bend clutch unit. little parts are hard to find being older too
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Go for an '89 or newer.
Why do you say that? Shitty abs and a laggy turbine housing make 89 better?
'89 and later were more powerful, had better suspension, bushings, extra chassis rigidity, nicer interiors etc.
It got a whopping "35hp", most of that being a boost increase, no changes to the motor, you only got the beter suspension with the M030 option, which was also available in 86-88, I know nothing of this extra chassis ridgidity you speak of, never seen that written anywhere from porsche, the interiors are all the same apart from minor things like the ashtray and airbag steering wheel from 86-91.
Pretty sure '89 and prior were basically all "S" models, thus having the M030 suspension, sport seats, 928 front brakes and stuff. The chassis stiffening may have been just the difference between the NA and turbo models, its been a while so I wouldn't doubt I've mixed a couple things up.
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buy this one and boost it. I know nothing about porsche's but this one seems like a good deal to me.
http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1867485134.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1867485134.html)
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lol at the skank, especially because its a 944 n/a.they suck balls. im sure she does too
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Sorry I meant '89 and newer, not prior.
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One thing I've noticed about the older Porsches is they are getting a lot harder to find parts.
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buy this one and boost it. I know nothing about porsche's but this one seems like a good deal to me.
http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1867485134.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1867485134.html)
Haha you only spotted that one cause of the chicky in the bikini, that caught my eye first too its ok :yes:
But i had a buddy that had one just like this all motor too, we ended up running a t-bird .60, custom sinktrap with an fmu at 7lbs. We beat the shit out of it and it never failed on us, 155 in those are kinda scary. :?:
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I just bought this one for 4800. It's so fucking awesome.
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1986 944 turbo, but has the later turbo S motor and I think the M030 package.
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wow great deal and sexyyyyy
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Very clean.
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The later engines will have m44.52 stamped on the exhaust side of the back of the cyl head. The big diff in the motors is the better water pump/t-belt setup, and the -8 turbine. Id rather have the -6 housing myself tho. M030=factory coil-overs btw.
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Factory coilovers FUCK YEAH!!
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Factory coilovers FUCK YEAH!!
Holy shit the 80's rocked.
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That was a good deal...
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they look awesome but slow junk
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they look awesome but slow junk
LOL
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look awesome yes. slow junk, ok, but still faster than 99% of the cars on the road. FUUUUUN to drive, hell fun to just sit in and hum the dey bow bow song from ferris buelers day off...
chicka chi KA
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if you count all of todays cars they are not faster than 99% of the cars on the road.
they are quick though... but seriously junky
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if you count all of todays cars they are not faster than 99% of the cars on the road.
they are quick though... but seriously junky
LOL
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if you count all of todays cars they are not faster than 99% of the cars on the road.
they are quick though... but seriously junky
I R jonny. Hear me roar.
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400 with 327 crank.
ya dig?
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if you count all of todays cars they are not faster than 99% of the cars on the road.
they are quick though... but seriously junky
for the money, they are one of the best bang for your buck cars, i think.
handles well, pretty good power, semi-light weight, cheaply upgradeable
i wouldnt say junky at all, sounds like someones porsche jealous.... 8)
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if you count all of todays cars they are not faster than 99% of the cars on the road.
they are quick though... but seriously junky
for the money, they are one of the best bang for your buck cars, i think.
handles well, pretty good power, semi-light weight, cheaply upgradeable
i wouldnt say junky at all, sounds like someones porsche jealous.... 8)
The only Porsche I'd by because it has the engine is in the front, water cooled, turbo optioned and does not look like a jumped-up Bettle. ;D
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Don't hate on Bugs..
http://www.kennedyeng.com/vw_por.htm (http://www.kennedyeng.com/vw_por.htm)
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Engine swaps fix slow, not ugly. They also make them more rear-heavy, so in many cases worse for handling.
Although if you ask Johnny, putting weight over the rear is pure win. Fast cars are all RWD & only have to go straight.
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i belive the weight dist. in those is 48/52 front/rear.
they also have a front mount stock, and it has an aux water pump for after the engine is off to cool the turb
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944s aren't ugly.
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951s
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i belive the weight dist. in those is 48/52 front/rear.
they also have a front mount stock that does nothing to cool the charge, and it has an aux water pump for after the engine is off to cool the turbo before shitting itself.
Fixored.
944s aren't ugly.
I believe mr. profile was referring to the unsightly nature of the beetle.
951s
Are a waste of money for 35hp.
Ive long debated dropping an LSx or L33 into mine, but im not paying the insane prices those fucks at renegade want for their adapter plates. I need a CNC mill.
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they also have a front mount stock that does nothing to cool the charge
proof?
aux water pump for after the engine is off to cool the turbo before shitting itself.
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they also have a front mount stock that does nothing to cool the charge
proof?
aux water pump for after the engine is off to cool the turbo before shitting itself.
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I don't need proof. I've pulled enough spark plugs out of em and seen the results first hand. If those motors wernt forged from the factory it be a joke. The ic gets no airflow, same deal with the radiator. Best mod you can do to a 951 is take the front bumper cover off lol.
Btw those aux water pumps ARE junk. They leak around the seam of the plastic casing. Got two laying under the tool box.
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I don't need proof. I've pulled enough spark plugs out of em and seen the results first hand. If those motors wernt forged from the factory it be a joke. The ic gets no airflow, same deal with the radiator. Best mod you can do to a 951 is take the front bumper cover off lol.
Btw those aux water pumps ARE junk. They leak around the seam of the plastic casing. Got two laying under the tool box.
i dont think they would put one on if it was useless, yes its not in the best place, but you can get that nose piece vent to improve flow.
and as far as the water pumps, ive never had a problem or heard of anyone else untill you
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regardless they are a great rwd sports car for the money, and you'll have some wear problems on cars that are coming up on 25 years old
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
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ROBBERTO my point was that the 951 was better looking aestheticly IMO... Thought they had a slightly better suspension too??? Either way anything short of a 2J or LSX is fail in one
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
because you cant get that package anywhere else for the price. most of us here payed thousands for a 16-17 second 90s shitbox that cant handle for shit, and cost alot more to get the same power, without the torque or top end mph or RWD.
i suppose a old supra turbo is about the same, but those are ugly as fuck, imo
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I don't need proof. I've pulled enough spark plugs out of em and seen the results first hand. If those motors wernt forged from the factory it be a joke. The ic gets no airflow, same deal with the radiator. Best mod you can do to a 951 is take the front bumper cover off lol.
Btw those aux water pumps ARE junk. They leak around the seam of the plastic casing. Got two laying under the tool box.
i dont think they would put one on if it was useless,
I could spend days listing off things that OEMs have purposely engineered yet in the real world were useless. Want a Porsche-specific example? Hell, look at anything about the 928 if not the vehicle as a whole.
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
because you cant get that package anywhere else for the price. most of us here payed thousands for a 16-17 second 90s shitbox that cant handle for shit, and cost alot more to get the same power, without the torque or top end mph or RWD.
i suppose a old supra turbo is about the same, but those are ugly as fuck, imo
yea if you forget all domestic cars.
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
But a 5.0 mustang is a great idea. I forgot, they do get 47mpg.
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
But a 5.0 mustang is a great idea. I forgot, they do get 47mpg.
no one buys 5.0 mustangs for 6-10k
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
because you cant get that package anywhere else for the price. most of us here payed thousands for a 16-17 second 90s shitbox that cant handle for shit, and cost alot more to get the same power, without the torque or top end mph or RWD.
i suppose a old supra turbo is about the same, but those are ugly as fuck, imo
yea if you forget all domestic cars
Gas mileage aside, how much would you have to pay for perfect working order, freshly painted 60's mustang or Camaro?
(And don't tell me you could one from the 90s or 80s for cheap, because they are no where near as pretty)
4800 starting to like like a better deal yet? Also porsche = baller status, even if its old.
Also, 30+ mpg is nice when driving 50+ miles daily.
BTW every day I've driven it so far I have atleast one person try and race me lol. It gets noticed.
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porsche is far from baller status. sir.
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as far as I know the domestic options can't handle as well, only one I can think if is a vette and those older ones are gay, newer ones too expensive.
porsche is far from baller status. sir.
A 944 or all Porsches?
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
because you cant get that package anywhere else for the price. most of us here payed thousands for a 16-17 second 90s shitbox that cant handle for shit, and cost alot more to get the same power, without the torque or top end mph or RWD.
i suppose a old supra turbo is about the same, but those are ugly as fuck, imo
yea if you forget all domestic cars
Gas mileage aside, how much would you have to pay for perfect working order, freshly painted 60's mustang or Camaro?
(And don't tell me you could one from the 90s or 80s for cheap, because they are no where near as pretty)
4800 starting to like like a better deal yet? Also porsche = baller status, even if its old.
not going to dignify this with a response.
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how its paying thousands of dollars for a 14sec 80s shit box a good deal
because you cant get that package anywhere else for the price. most of us here payed thousands for a 16-17 second 90s shitbox that cant handle for shit, and cost alot more to get the same power, without the torque or top end mph or RWD.
i suppose a old supra turbo is about the same, but those are ugly as fuck, imo
yea if you forget all domestic cars
Gas mileage aside, how much would you have to pay for perfect working order, freshly painted 60's mustang or Camaro?
(And don't tell me you could one from the 90s or 80s for cheap, because they are no where near as pretty)
4800 starting to like like a better deal yet? Also porsche = baller status, even if its old.
not going to dignify this with a response.
Because you have none. Give it up.
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These are some much better deals:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-Rallysport-Z28-Recreation-X33-5-speed-/150474153629?pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_27124wt_947 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-Rallysport-Z28-Recreation-X33-5-speed-/150474153629?pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_27124wt_947)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-big-block-pro-touring-camaro-67-68-69-70-71-72-73-/140434251169?pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_883wt_952 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-big-block-pro-touring-camaro-67-68-69-70-71-72-73-/140434251169?pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_883wt_952)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-396-Must-See-Extra-Clean-/270616793454?pt=US_Cars_Trucks (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-396-Must-See-Extra-Clean-/270616793454?pt=US_Cars_Trucks)
Or you could get this ugly piece of shit for 400 bucks, if you like things that suck:
cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2001-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-2-D-CONVERTIBLE-/160464809379?pt=US_Cars_Trucks#v4-38
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Stealth, I really don't care for the crappy first gen Camaros, but that '72 is fucking nice for $16K buy it now. Click on the pics and look at the interior, that thing is fucking tits.
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I mean yea that actually is a pretty good deal! And they're all sweet cars don't get me wrong...
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well that didn't take long...
Tried to get awesome last night. got too awesome, spun it around into a curb. Slid sideways into the curb facing the wrong direction on the road at about 5-15 mph... Managed to drive it most of the way home before the differential stopped working, roomates helped push it up into the driveway. go drink some beers, come back to examine the damage only to find it's rolled back into the street and the cops rolled up. talk my way out of that one, get it back in the driveway, plus some bricks. Find out not only is the diff blown, the brake rotor is SHATTERED, and it bent the trailing arm mounting point up.
pics later, maybe, anyone got a 944 trans on the cheap?
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You should change your name to nick hogan with your mad tight drifting skills. Remember just never let off the gas and it will straighten itself up everytime :noel:
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Trailing arm mount fucked?
Not good. Might as well replace the whole torsen tube with the arms. It will never ride correctly.
Just buy my car so I can build something with a turbo v8. :yes:
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trailing arm mount fucked indeed. how replaceable, findable is that? interchangeable with 944 non turbo?
yes i am officially a dumb ass
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Put Ford 9" (cock) in rear end
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The tube itself is interchangable from all 944, but the torsen bars and trailing arms, and all associated parts are not. M030 option and ABS are the big differences.
Poke around rennlist or pelican parts forums, always somebody parting one.
Like I said, ill give you a hell of a deal on mine.
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Turns out the drivers rear axle is definitely busted. This is good news though because it means the differential might be ok. Also don't think I mentioned it before, but the body made it out almost entirely unscathed, only thing got cracked was the lip on the front fascia, but I can probably fiberglass that back up.
also, had to make a rhmt dolly to push the car around the driveway. 2x4s plus a shitty furniture dolly worked pretty well.
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You should change your name to nick hogan with your mad tight drifting skills. Remember just never let off the gas and it will straighten itself up everytime :noel:
lol
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most likley the 944s up to 85.5 and the 86 turbo will fit as far as suspension shit goes
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There's about ten different versions of everything in the rear susp. Make sure you get the right parts.
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BTW every day I've driven it so far I have atleast one person try and race me lol. It gets noticed.
Lol, same goes for my civic with the cutout open. But at least I can win a few races. :P
Tub the rear, ford 9", three-link, turbo LS2. Win. Speaking of old Camaros, I found a complete drop-in rear coil-over/torque arm suspension. Watts link instead of panhard bar, bolts in place of the old leaf springs. One day I'll be buying this for mine:
http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F2.htm (http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F2.htm)
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Put Ford 9" (cock) in rear end
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i'll sell you a set of design 90s in great shape for the wheels you fubared
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i'll sell you a set of design 90s in great shape for the wheels you fubared
I think the wheels I have are design 90s... Pics, price? Care to sell me only one ;D?
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i have 2 centercaps and i think only one has been curbed. 16" wheels and the rears are an inch wider than the fronts. i have pictures somewhere
i'll sell one for 200, or 4 for 300
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My boss has a cyan 928 with chrome design 90's. It makes me want to throw up when I drive by. :-X
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http://winchester.craigslist.org/pts/1965550791.html (http://winchester.craigslist.org/pts/1965550791.html)
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Lol good lookin out! I just found that guy and picked up a rear suspension last weekend
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Hah, didn't even know you were local.